All right boys and fags, the new series Caprica, prequel to BSG, begins today. That is the promotional pilot is launched on DVD today. You can also pay and download it from SCIFI. The series itself will be aired on SCIFI - or SyFy by then I guess - come january 2010.
Here's a long trailor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb8bMjsLdVU
G.
No, thanks.
Now that your usual contribution has been tended, kindly stay out of this thread. :hug:
G.
Quote from: Grallon on April 21, 2009, 08:52:01 AM
Now that your usual contribution has been tended, kindly stay out of this thread. :hug:
G.
Will do. Fool me once and that's enough. I don't need these people to fool me twice before I quit watching their crap! :hug:
Wow, faster than I expected it.
Why the fuck am I going to pay money to watch the pilot for a series that makes no sense in the context of Battlestar Galactica?
I think I'll pass.
In my experience, the only thing less likely than a sequel to be a good viewing experience is a prequel.
I heard it will contain more TEH GHEY (tm).
Since a version will no doubt be available on torrent tomorrow I'll have a look. Although considering SciFi's history with horrendous scheduling, I'm dubious about boarding that train to see it drawn out of all shape. Still it might be good.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on April 21, 2009, 09:43:51 AM
Since a version will no doubt be available on torrent tomorrow I'll have a look. Although considering SciFi's history with horrendous scheduling, I'm dubious about boarding that train to see it drawn out of all shape. Still it might be good.
G.
It was leaked about a week ago. Apparently it's pretty good.
Point 1: Starbuck is a man. Fuck all of you.
Point 2: After the series ended so badly, I'm surprised to see the usual suspects lining up for another shot.
BSG started off as among the most promising SF shows I've ever seen, and by its ending had managed to drag the entire series down to a spot somewhere below Voyager on my all-time SF show list. Why on Earth would I want to go through that again?
Quote from: vinraith on April 21, 2009, 10:42:24 AM
BSG started off as among the most promising SF shows I've ever seen, and by its ending had managed to drag the entire series down to a spot somewhere below Voyager on my all-time SF show list. Why on Earth would I want to go through that again?
Because it's a different beast altogether. And because for all its faults in the end, BSG remain one the best thing to have aired on TV. Finally rejecting something unknown out of hand is... unworthy of an inquisitive mind such as yours ;) But then again you're entirely free to deprive yourself *shrug*
G.
:yawn:
Quote from: vinraith on April 21, 2009, 10:42:24 AM
a spot somewhere below Voyager on my all-time SF show list.
:angry:
Quote from: Grallon on April 21, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: vinraith on April 21, 2009, 10:42:24 AM
BSG started off as among the most promising SF shows I've ever seen, and by its ending had managed to drag the entire series down to a spot somewhere below Voyager on my all-time SF show list. Why on Earth would I want to go through that again?
Because it's a different beast altogether. And because for all its faults in the end, BSG remain one the best thing to have aired on TV. Finally rejecting something unknown out of hand is... unworthy of an inquisitive mind such as yours ;) But then again you're entirely free to deprive yourself *shrug*
G.
Suspect shows don't get watched in real time, they get watched on DVD when and if I hear they ended well. I think the likelihood of that in this case is nearly zero, but if I find I'm wrong I'm happy to play catch up. Hell, that's how I've seen many of my favorite shows. Watching serial TV on a one-ep-per-week basis is kind of agonizing anyway...
Quote from: garbon on April 21, 2009, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: vinraith on April 21, 2009, 10:42:24 AM
a spot somewhere below Voyager on my all-time SF show list.
:angry:
Voyager at least knew it was a piece of crap. Self-aware self-parody wins out over oblivious pretension any day of the week.
Voyager is god!
Quote from: Grallon on April 21, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
Because it's a different beast altogether. And because for all its faults in the end, BSG remain one the best thing to have aired on TV. Finally rejecting something unknown out of hand is... unworthy of an inquisitive mind such as yours ;) But then again you're entirely free to deprive yourself *shrug*
And you're free to delude yourself. The new BSG was an abomination.
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2009, 10:24:24 AM
Point 2: After the series ended so badly, I'm surprised to see the usual suspects lining up for another shot.
I'm not surprised at all. I am mildly curious as to whether they insist that BSG was not bad is because they are clueless, or because they don't have the intellectual honesty to admit they were wrong, after going so far out on a limb.
I guess I can live with never knowing the answer to that. :lol:
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 21, 2009, 11:13:41 AM
Voyager is god!
Indeed. And shuttle craft were the children of the god, a new one being born each week.
Quote from: grumbler on April 21, 2009, 11:37:41 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 21, 2009, 11:13:41 AM
Voyager is god!
Indeed. And shuttle craft were the children of the god, a new one being born each week.
:lol:
Replicator technology is awesome!
BTW grumbler, I finished watching Babylon 5 last week. It was wonderful. :)
Quote from: grumbler on April 21, 2009, 11:36:39 AM
I'm not surprised at all. I am mildly curious as to whether they insist that BSG was not bad is because they are clueless, or because they don't have the intellectual honesty to admit they were wrong, after going so far out on a limb.
You know it just striked me that almost every one of your posts has a comment about how others don't get this or that. We'll just have to add delusions of grandeur to your usual pettiness and mean spirited attitude it seems. ^_^
G.
Quote from: grumbler on April 21, 2009, 11:37:41 AM
Indeed. And shuttle craft were the children of the god, a new one being born each week.
BSG solved that problem by having a token episode about using spare parts to build a super spy ship (to boost the fighter capacity) and then once it was destroyed, there was no longer an issue about too few fighters.
Quote from: Grallon on April 21, 2009, 09:43:51 AM
Since a version will no doubt be available on torrent tomorrow I'll have a look. Although considering SciFi's history with horrendous scheduling, I'm dubious about boarding that train to see it drawn out of all shape. Still it might be good.
G.
been available for torrent since last week. keep up.
I for one liked it quite a bit. It seems to not jibe with any of the BSG storylines, but I liked it anyway. Centurions talk like Centurions! :w00t:
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on April 21, 2009, 12:39:33 PMIt seems to not jibe with any of the BSG storylines, but I liked it anyway. Centurions talk like Centurions! :w00t:
BSG storylines don't jibe with BSG storylines.
I guess the thing about Caprica is that, well, it makes no fucking sense. Clearly it's going to be about the birth of humanoid Cylons, but we know where they came from, a bunch of people who have a starship that travels at relativistic speeds yet also somehow travels faster than light.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 21, 2009, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on April 21, 2009, 12:39:33 PMIt seems to not jibe with any of the BSG storylines, but I liked it anyway. Centurions talk like Centurions! :w00t:
BSG storylines don't jibe with BSG storylines.
Yes. That is the saddest thing of all.
I still must say Voyager was my favourite Trek series as a kid.
True I was a kid so had different likes but still...Its not not bad.
QuoteI guess the thing about Caprica is that, well, it makes no fucking sense. Clearly it's going to be about the birth of humanoid Cylons, but we know where they came from, a bunch of people who have a starship that travels at relativistic speeds yet also somehow travels faster than light.
Duh. Don't you know anything? ALL prequels have time travel :p
QuoteBSG solved that problem by having a token episode about using spare parts to build a super spy ship (to boost the fighter capacity) and then once it was destroyed, there was no longer an issue about too few fighters.
Didn't Peagasus show up in the meantime though? (can't remember)
Quote from: garbon on April 21, 2009, 12:02:28 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 21, 2009, 11:37:41 AM
Indeed. And shuttle craft were the children of the god, a new one being born each week.
BSG solved that problem by having a token episode about using spare parts to build a super spy ship (to boost the fighter capacity) and then once it was destroyed, there was no longer an issue about too few fighters.
As Tyr points out, they picked up a lot of fighters from Pegasus, and Pegasus had a fighter manufactory on board. The problem should have re-emerged late in the show, though. Still, in a show with that many glaring plot holes, it's a pretty minor one.
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2009, 12:12:35 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 21, 2009, 11:13:41 AM
Voyager is god!
God-awful.
Indeed, but hilariously aware of it at times. Bottom-of-the-barrel Trek at it's "finest." Trivially the worst of the franchise, though.
Quote from: vinraith on April 21, 2009, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2009, 12:12:35 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 21, 2009, 11:13:41 AM
Voyager is god!
God-awful.
Indeed, but hilariously aware of it at times. Bottom-of-the-barrel Trek at it's "finest." Trivially the worst of the franchise, though.
If it had more humorous and self-aware of its own ridiculousness like SG-1 or Buffy I'd have enjoyed it more. It was never able to rise above banal and bland however, thanks to the two B's.
Quote from: vinraith on April 21, 2009, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on April 21, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
I guess the thing about Caprica is that, well, it makes no fucking sense. Clearly it's going to be about the birth of humanoid Cylons, but we know where they came from, a bunch of people who have a starship that travels at relativistic speeds yet also somehow travels faster than light.
As Tyr points out, they picked up a lot of fighters from Pegasus, and Pegasus had a fighter manufactory on board. The problem should have re-emerged late in the show, though. Still, in a show with that many glaring plot holes, it's a pretty minor one.
I think you quoted the wrong person. ;)
I find it funny how two jaded "I've-seen-it-all" misantropes are fighting tooth and nail over which of two relatively childish shows about aliens wearing silly costumes (Babylon V vs. BSG) is better.
I think people should kill themselves by the time they become like that.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 21, 2009, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: vinraith on April 21, 2009, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2009, 12:12:35 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 21, 2009, 11:13:41 AM
Voyager is god!
God-awful.
Indeed, but hilariously aware of it at times. Bottom-of-the-barrel Trek at it's "finest." Trivially the worst of the franchise, though.
If it had more humorous and self-aware of its own ridiculousness like SG-1 or Buffy I'd have enjoyed it more. It was never able to rise above banal and bland however, thanks to the two B's.
I would agree that its quality would have improved the more of that it contained.
Quote from: Faeelin on April 21, 2009, 02:02:52 PM
I think you quoted the wrong person. ;)
Yup, don't know how that happened. Fixed. :)
I saw it one week ago.
Comments:
They explain the "centurion 1 god religion", that is good.
I liked the acting, not *good* but good enough.
They continued the "OH MY GOD CHARACTERS" way of telling a story.
They put teenagers was the center of the action :bleeding:
We did not see any action (well a centurion for 2minutes does not count) :(
I liked the race/religion issues.
I liked seeing Caprica before the fall feeling, all the tecnology vs no tecnology we see in BSG.
I hope they close this arc soon and start seeing some battles or else it will suck...
Quote from: Grallon on April 21, 2009, 08:39:27 AM
or SyFy by then I guess
Wait what? What the hell is this?
The Sci-fi Channel is temporary renaming itself Syfy to raise awareness of the Syphilis epidemic in Eastern Europe.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on April 21, 2009, 05:24:06 PM
The Sci-fi Channel is temporary renaming itself Syfy to raise awareness of the Syphilis epidemic in Eastern Europe.
I think that syfy is referring to the syphilis-induced dementia that has afflicted the General Electric suits who thought that Syfy would be a good name for a network.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 21, 2009, 11:39:51 AM
BTW grumbler, I finished watching Babylon 5 last week. It was wonderful. :)
Glad you liked it. Have you seen
In the Beginning, or just the series?
Quote from: I Killed Kenny on April 21, 2009, 03:21:55 PM
I saw it one week ago.
Comments:
They explain the "centurion 1 god religion", that is good.
I liked the acting, not *good* but good enough.
They continued the "OH MY GOD CHARACTERS" way of telling a story.
They put teenagers was the center of the action :bleeding:
We did not see any action (well a centurion for 2minutes does not count) :(
I liked the race/religion issues.
I liked seeing Caprica before the fall feeling, all the tecnology vs no tecnology we see in BSG.
I hope they close this arc soon and start seeing some battles or else it will suck...
Space battles? Plot? No, no, no, it's about the erratic, poorly drawn
characters stupid!
oughta change the name to BSG bash or something for this thread. one small nerd note @ marti - There are no aliens in BSG. none. Everyone is human or robot (cgi not guy in hockey armor) :nerd: :)
Ok, what's the story for Caprica?
I did not see spaceships and robots in that preview.
Quote from: grumbler on April 21, 2009, 05:50:02 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 21, 2009, 11:39:51 AM
BTW grumbler, I finished watching Babylon 5 last week. It was wonderful. :)
Glad you liked it. Have you seen In the Beginning, or just the series?
Just the series so far. Watched a clip of In the Beginning on youtube though, I definitely want to see it.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on April 21, 2009, 09:21:04 PM
oughta change the name to BSG bash or something for this thread. one small nerd note @ marti - There are no aliens in BSG. none. Everyone is human or robot (cgi not guy in hockey armor) :nerd: :)
Well, there's also Angels.
And possibly Aliens if what Starbuck drew was the Ship of Light.
Based on what happened before, I'll pass on what's happening again.
Starbuck is Face you douchebags.
Quote from: Siege on April 21, 2009, 09:38:37 PM
Ok, what's the story for Caprica?
I did not see spaceships and robots in that preview.
No spaceships, maybe a few robots.
The story is about the Adama family and another one wich I forgot the name, debatting over the ethical issues of creating human looking Cylons. Adama's grandfather is a lawyer, the other one is a scientists. Both men lost a daughter in a terrorist attack by religious fanatics. The scientist is trying to recreate his daughter in a robot's body.
It was supposed to be about the birth of the Cylons, so to speak, and I haven't seen Caprica yet, but frankly, I fail to see the point of this after it was revealed that skinjobs came from Earth and travelled back to Caprica to recreate new skinjobs.
Maybe there'll be some twists about the characters... I don't know. I don't feel like I should be watching this. I felt let down by BSG two last seasons, and for this, I cannot rank it as one of the best thing to have happenned on tv.
Quote from: viper37 on April 22, 2009, 09:59:45 AM
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It was supposed to be about the birth of the Cylons, so to speak, and I haven't seen Caprica yet, but frankly, I fail to see the point of this after it was revealed that skinjobs came from Earth and travelled back to Caprica to recreate new skinjobs.
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So I watched it last night... Since most of you have decided you won't bother watching I'll go all spoilery right away.
As Viper said, the story begins on Caprica 58 years before the Fall and is centered around the patriarchs of two families: Daniel Greystone (who might 'possibly' become the hybrid seen in Razor) and Joseph Adams. The former is a wealthy techno-industrialist trying to conceive the next generation of military hardware for the Defense Ministry while the latter is a lawyer of Tauron origins with links to a powerful crime syndicate. We learn the Taurons are despised in Caprican society as fanatics & criminals. That is in fact why Yussef Adama changed his name to Joseph Adams when he emmigrated on Caprica.
Around these two gravitate their families: Greystone's wife, a doctor, and his daughter Zoe, who we learn has inherited all of her father's genius in software engineering, and more. On the Adama's side there's the wife, a daughter named Tamara and a son, 11 yo William (the future Admiral).
As mentioned before, Greystone's company is trying to develop new weaponry, specifically a cybernetic warrior. However while the mechanical parts are fine, the software is lacking. But we soon discover a Tauron corporation has developped a revolutionary processor and is biding on the defense contract as well. Meanwhile cute little Zoe (which I suspect some here would gladly ass fuck) spends all her time in virtual worlds with her friends, mostly in a sordid club where 'anything goes': murder, sacrifices, rape and, tough luck for you Marty, lots of sweaty boobs. There we also meet another Zoe... A perfect duplicate created by Greystone's daughter. It turns out Zoe is also a members of the "Soldiers of the One", a group of religious monotheist fanatics.
Some days later Zoe and her boyfriend take the (mag)lev leaving Caprica City in order to board a space liner outbound for Geminon, where the cult is based. However before the train is out of the city Zoe's strapping young studdling reveals he's strapped up with explosives and proceeds to blow half the passengers (along with Adama's wife and daughter) in the name of 'the One True God'... We don't know why either of them joined in the first place. All we know is that she had a revelation...
Devastated, both men meet at a police press conference and spend that rest of the day reminiscing.
Later, Greystone discovers Zoe' secret: that replica of hers hidden away in th VR club. From then on he becomes obsessed with bringning back to life his daughter. He enlists Joseph Adams and prevails upon him to use his 'connections' with the crime syndicate to steal the super microchip developped on Tauron.
During one of his meeting with his 'synthetic' daughter he manages to copy the source code and after getting the chip from Adama, he transfers it onto it and then insert the chip into the body of his mechanical soldier, complete with flashing red eye... Later, at a meeting with the Defense Minister, the new cyborg demonstrates how deadly it is. That is how the first sentient Cylon (which stands fro
CYber
Life-f
Orm
Node) was created on Caprica.
I'm left wondering how they'll spin a series out of this, despite the numerous unanswered questions such as where do the 'Soldiers of Light' come from. As it stands now, the pilot would have made a nice background episode between seasons of BSG. In fact the involvement of Jospeh Adama in the creation of the first artificial intelligence gives all the more weight to the Admiral's words in the mini series : we can't wash away the tings we have done...
All in all it wasn't bad, partly with the advantage of hindsight given by BSG. And yet that may very well be the cause of its failure: people might keep on comparing both shows and trying to find links that aren't likely to be there most of the time.
G.
It sucks.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 21, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 21, 2009, 05:50:02 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 21, 2009, 11:39:51 AM
BTW grumbler, I finished watching Babylon 5 last week. It was wonderful. :)
Glad you liked it. Have you seen In the Beginning, or just the series?
Just the series so far. Watched a clip of In the Beginning on youtube though, I definitely want to see it.
If you are not ready to spring for the whole movie set anytime soon, there is a cheapo double-sided DVD with ItB on eBay for a song. No extras at all (not even commentary) but it does have the movies. It was WB's market test to see if there was still interest in B5, so they didn't spend any money on it, but it
is cheap.
And the movie itself is as good on a no-frills CD as on anything else. You will be surprised, though, at the crudeness of the pilot movie (which won the special-effects Emmy that year anyway! :lol:)
I'm in the process of watching through Babylon 5. Well, watching seasons 2-5 at least.
Babylon 5 never caught with me.
Production values were too low.
Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 07:10:30 PM
I'm in the process of watching through Babylon 5. Well, watching seasons 2-5 at least.
2-4 is best. Five has a few good ones, but is otherwise crap. The Psywar was about as compelling as Enterprise' Temporal Cold War.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 22, 2009, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 07:10:30 PM
I'm in the process of watching through Babylon 5. Well, watching seasons 2-5 at least.
2-4 is best. Five has a few good ones, but is otherwise crap. The Psywar was about as compelling as Enterprise' Temporal Cold War.
The Telepath War would have been better if there had been some kind of payoff.
The Telepath War would have been cooler if they actually filmed the Telepath War. It was all preamble.
Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 22, 2009, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 07:10:30 PM
I'm in the process of watching through Babylon 5. Well, watching seasons 2-5 at least.
2-4 is best. Five has a few good ones, but is otherwise crap. The Psywar was about as compelling as Enterprise' Temporal Cold War.
The Telepath War would have been better if there had been some kind of payoff.
Yes. Or tension. As it played out, and I understand about the worries about cancellation and all, it seemed to be a bunch of space hippies having a sit in. I'd have preferred something more, like, warlike.
Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 22, 2009, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 07:10:30 PM
I'm in the process of watching through Babylon 5. Well, watching seasons 2-5 at least.
2-4 is best. Five has a few good ones, but is otherwise crap. The Psywar was about as compelling as Enterprise' Temporal Cold War.
The Telepath War would have been better if there had been some kind of payoff.
The intent was to address it somewhat in
Crusade and potentially to show the war itself in a feature film. Obviously we only got a little of the former and the latter never panned out.