After a telephone conference today with the auditors who'll be visiting us next month (one from the HQ in Raleigh, NC, the other a native of Hungary, with an accent as if you'd multiply Londo Mollari with Bride of Dracula) I commented that Jerry (VP of internal audit) had a slight southern accent.
Colleague: "He's from Raleigh, though."
Me: "Yeah, like I said."
Colleague: "That's not the South, is it? It's more like in the middle."
Me: "It's south of Virginia. You know that Virginia was part of the Confederacy, right?"
Other colleague: "You sit at my table on quiz night [at the Aussie pub] tomorrow. I'll buy you a beer."
I'm guessing that we had a slight misunderstanding, me meaning South as in Ex-Confederacy, and she meant south as in geographic location (vs. north, east, west).
What's the modern definition of "The South" these days? :unsure:
It depends on who you ask. Living in Georgia, I have always included the following states:
Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana.
Everything north of there is weird, and Florida is its own special animal. Virginia in particular is damn near to DC, so it can't possibly be the south.
The Census Bureau has the following definition:
QuoteThe South region includes the South Atlantic division: Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia; the East South Central division: Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Tennessee; and the West South Central division: Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas.
http://www.census.gov/popest/geographic/estimates_geography.html
QuoteWest South Central division: Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas
Oklahoma?! Part of the South? It is a Great Plains state.
Texas is a weird place since the Eastern part definitely has some Southern qualities but the West is very Western. It even uses Mountain Time.
South begins at the Michigan/Ohio border. That's all "down south" to us. Then there's "really down south" and of course "deep south."
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 12:56:31 PM
South begins at the Michigan/Ohio border. That's all "down south" to us. Then there's "really down south" and of course "deep south."
Pfft.
Everyone in Yukon knows that the "south" starts at 60 degrees latitude. :rolleyes:
Quote from: ulmont on April 20, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
It depends on who you ask. Living in Georgia, I have always included the following states:
Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana.
Everything north of there is weird, and Florida is its own special animal. Virginia in particular is damn near to DC, so it can't possibly be the south.
I'd throw in Virginia, Arkansas, and Florida north of Orlando.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 20, 2009, 01:00:46 PM
I'd throw in Virginia, Arkansas, and Florida north of Orlando.
If you must. I still have my doubts about Virginia, and I wouldn't go any further south than Gainesville in Florida (maybe Ocala).
The south is anywhere people don't care that Jimmy cracks corn. :(
Quote from: ulmont on April 20, 2009, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 20, 2009, 01:00:46 PM
I'd throw in Virginia, Arkansas, and Florida north of Orlando.
If you must. I still have my doubts about Virginia, and I wouldn't go any further south than Gainesville in Florida (maybe Ocala).
Virginia's as Southern as North Carolina. Heck, at least they care more about college football than college basketball.
Virginia south of the 703 aea code. West Virginia: ambiguous. Then the Ohio River line. The part of Missouri where they say Missourah. Arkansas. Maybe east Texas.
All the parts that shall rise again.
How many times must I say it?
If you're in North America and you're not in Alaska, Yukon, NWT or Nunavut, you're a damn dirty southerner. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on April 20, 2009, 01:31:06 PM
How many times must I say it?
If you're in North America and you're not in Alaska, Yukon, NWT or Nunavut, you're a damn dirty southerner. :contract:
You must say it 8 more times.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 20, 2009, 01:28:13 PM
Virginia south of the 703 aea code. West Virginia: ambiguous. Then the Ohio River line. The part of Missouri where they say Missourah. Arkansas. Maybe east Texas.
The south is anywhere people commonly eat grits; therefore West Virginia is not part of the south.
At the freaking Line.
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 12:56:31 PM
South begins at the Michigan/Ohio border. That's all "down south" to us. Then there's "really down south" and of course "deep south."
:mad:
Quote from: Barrister on April 20, 2009, 01:31:06 PM
How many times must I say it?
If you're in North America and you're not in Alaska, Yukon, NWT or Nunavut, you're a damn dirty southerner. :contract:
Sorry but Canada, let alone northern Canada, is hardly a reference point.
Quote from: dps on April 20, 2009, 01:41:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 20, 2009, 01:28:13 PM
Virginia south of the 703 aea code. West Virginia: ambiguous. Then the Ohio River line. The part of Missouri where they say Missourah. Arkansas. Maybe east Texas.
The south is anywhere people commonly eat grits; therefore West Virginia is not part of the south.
I'd say maybe southern WV is in The South, though obviously Charleston & above is hardly Southern. I'd call WV a border state, like Kentuckeh.
In high school I went out with a girl whose family was from "Missippee" (never did quite figure out why they dropped a syllable but whatever). She didn't consider Tennessee part of the South :D
On a related note, to refer back to an old thread which I can't be arsed to dig up now, after seeing "North & South" I definitely think John Brown was a hero.
Quote from: Martinus on April 20, 2009, 01:50:03 PM
To refer back to an old thread which I can't be arsed to dig up now, after seeing "North & South" I definitely think John Brown was a hero.
Stop kissing up to CdM.
This is what Wikifailia says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States
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QuoteModern definition The states in dark red are almost always included in modern day definitions of the South, while those in medium red are usually included. Maryland and Missouri are sometimes considered Southern, while Delaware is only rarely considered part of the South. West Virginia is often considered Southern, because it was once part of Virginia.
Wiki is right.
Quote from: derspiess on April 20, 2009, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: dps on April 20, 2009, 01:41:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 20, 2009, 01:28:13 PM
Virginia south of the 703 aea code. West Virginia: ambiguous. Then the Ohio River line. The part of Missouri where they say Missourah. Arkansas. Maybe east Texas.
The south is anywhere people commonly eat grits; therefore West Virginia is not part of the south.
I'd say maybe southern WV is in The South, though obviously Charleston & above is hardly Southern. I'd call WV a border state, like Kentuckeh.
That seems reasonable to me. There's a tendency to conflate Appalachian with southern, when in reality they're two different flavors of cripplingly poor and ignorant.
Quote from: derspiess on April 20, 2009, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 20, 2009, 01:50:03 PM
To refer back to an old thread which I can't be arsed to dig up now, after seeing "North & South" I definitely think John Brown was a hero.
Stop kissing up to CdM.
Well, all I know is that Kansas could use another massacre.
Draw a line from the northeast corner of Missouri straight across the middles of IL, IN and OH to Pittsburgh and include everything below that line too.
I have to say the inclusion of Oklahoma just boggles my mind. It is culturally, economically, geographically and every other meaningful sense tied to Nebraska, Kansas, Eastern Colorado, and the Panhandle of Texas. To consider it as Southern as Kentucky is nonsense.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 20, 2009, 01:54:42 PM
Draw a line from the northeast corner of Missouri straight across the middles of IL, IN and OH to Pittsburgh and include everything below that line too.
:huh: That'd make Cincinnati (and possibly Indianapolis, it'd be close) southern. That's just... silly. Ohio isn't southern, hell northern KY isn't even southern.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 01:55:43 PM
I have to say the inclusion of Oklahoma just boggles my mind. It is culturally, economically, geographically and every other meaningful sense tied to Nebraska, Kansas, Eastern Colorado, and the Panhandle of Texas. To consider it as Southern as Kentucky is nonsense.
Very odd. Oklahoma is definitely a plains state. Texas is sort of a sideways border state...
Quote from: vinraith on April 20, 2009, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 20, 2009, 01:54:42 PM
Draw a line from the northeast corner of Missouri straight across the middles of IL, IN and OH to Pittsburgh and include everything below that line too.
:huh: That'd make Cincinnati (and possibly Indianapolis, it'd be close) southern. That's just... silly. Ohio isn't southern, hell northern KY isn't even southern.
I disagree. Southern Ohio/Indiana are as southern as Virginia. More southern than northern Virginia.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 20, 2009, 02:03:33 PM
I disagree. Southern Ohio/Indiana are as southern as Virginia. More southern than northern Virginia.
Oh please. Hoosiers are the epitome of northern rednecks. If they are Southerners so are Iowans.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 20, 2009, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: vinraith on April 20, 2009, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 20, 2009, 01:54:42 PM
Draw a line from the northeast corner of Missouri straight across the middles of IL, IN and OH to Pittsburgh and include everything below that line too.
:huh: That'd make Cincinnati (and possibly Indianapolis, it'd be close) southern. That's just... silly. Ohio isn't southern, hell northern KY isn't even southern.
I disagree. Southern Ohio/Indiana are as southern as Virginia. More southern than northern Virginia.
Which is why I wouldn't really include northern Virginia in the south anymore, except perhaps by historical tradition.
I mean look at that line you're drawing. You're eliminating half the midwest.
Who cares? All the states near that region are horribly tainted even if not in The South.
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 02:05:41 PM
Who cares? All the states near that region are horribly tainted even if not in The South.
Yeah but you feel that way about every state outside of Cali.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 02:05:41 PM
Who cares? All the states near that region are horribly tainted even if not in The South.
Yeah but you feel that way about every state outside of Cali.
Ironic, isn't it?
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 02:07:07 PM
Yeah but you feel that way about every state outside of Cali.
No I don't. I know I said it before on old Languish, you got your west coast (+Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico) and your Northeast (starting with New York); then you can pick up a few cities here and there like Chicago and DC.
Quote from: vinraith on April 20, 2009, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 02:05:41 PM
Who cares? All the states near that region are horribly tainted even if not in The South.
Yeah but you feel that way about every state outside of Cali.
Ironic, isn't it?
Yeah, I've always thought it was funny how New Yorkers and Californians pride themselves on being cosmopolitan--and while they are the most cosmopoitan places in the country when it comes to backgroud, when it comes to attitudes, their resident are actually just about the most provential people you can find.
STATES THAT ARE ENTIRELY PART OF THE SOUTH: Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia
STATES THAT ARE PARTLY SOUTHERN: Texas (east Texas), Oklahoma (eastern Oklahoma), Missouri (Ozarks, bootheel), Illinois (southern i.e. "Little Egypt"), Indiana (southernmost tier of counties), Kentucky (all except for northern Kentucky, around Cincinnati, and debatably Louisville), West Virginia (most of the state south of the panhandle), Virginia (the south and west of the state, plus the Tidewater), Maryland (eastern shore), Delaware (southernmost county), Florida (northern part of the state, from the panhandle across to Jacksonville)
I would certainly argue that Raleigh is in the south, though it may be less "southern" than surrounding areas due to large numbers of Yankee transplants, which is true for a couple of other places in the south, most notably Atlanta.
Quote from: dps on April 20, 2009, 02:14:16 PMYeah, I've always thought it was funny how New Yorkers and Californians pride themselves on being cosmopolitan--and while they are the most cosmopoitan places in the country when it comes to backgroud, when it comes to attitudes, their resident are actually just about the most provential people you can find.
Well, I can say from experience that people in Boston are definitely more racist than people here. :cool:
from wikifailia: Quotethe Mason-Dixon Line symbolizes a cultural boundary between the Northern United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_United_States) and the Southern United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States) (Dixie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie))
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another factor that defines the South:
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Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2009, 03:17:10 PM
Well, I can say from experience that people in Boston are definitely more racist than people here. :cool:
I saw Glory Road. Kentuckians are racist Confederate flag wavers.
The South begins where civilization ends.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 03:22:25 PMI saw Glory Road. Kentuckians are racist Confederate flag wavers.
I didn't see that movie, so that makes it not true.
Quote from: DGuller on April 20, 2009, 03:24:21 PM
The South begins where civilization ends.
Another poster proves dps's point.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 03:22:25 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2009, 03:17:10 PM
Well, I can say from experience that people in Boston are definitely more racist than people here. :cool:
I saw Glory Road. Kentuckians are racist Confederate flag wavers.
Ironic given that most fought for the Union.
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2009, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 03:22:25 PMI saw Glory Road. Kentuckians are racist Confederate flag wavers.
I didn't see that movie, so that makes it not true.
I presume the reason you didn't see it was because you hate black people.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 20, 2009, 03:26:58 PMIronic given that most fought for the Union.
Alot of people here don't seem to realize this, actually. I see a fair number of Confederate bumper stickers on cars (ok, let's be honest: trucks with oversized tires) in my home county, and Quantrill and his Confederate raiders actually burned the county courthouse in our county. In fact, he was ambushed and killed here even.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 20, 2009, 03:26:58 PM
Ironic given that most fought for the Union.
You doubt the accuracy of a film that portrays Don Haskins as a good looking skinny guy?
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 03:28:33 PMI presume the reason you didn't see it was because you hate black people.
:rolleyes: I love the blacks.
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2009, 03:29:06 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 20, 2009, 03:26:58 PMIronic given that most fought for the Union.
Alot of people here don't seem to realize this, actually. I see a fair number of Confederate bumper stickers on cars (ok, let's be honest: trucks with oversized tires) in my home county, and Quantrill and his Confederate raiders actually burned the county courthouse in our county. In fact, he was ambushed and killed here even.
40% of the white population did fight for the Confederacy and their descendants are still there. I'm going to take a guess and say a fair number doesn't equate to 40%.
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2009, 03:17:10 PM
Well, I can say from experience that people in Boston are definitely more racist than people here. :cool:
What does that have to do with anything?
Quote from: Barrister on April 20, 2009, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 12:56:31 PM
South begins at the Michigan/Ohio border. That's all "down south" to us. Then there's "really down south" and of course "deep south."
Pfft.
Everyone in Yukon knows that the "south" starts at 60 degrees latitude. :rolleyes:
Beeb is a southerner to me.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 03:22:25 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2009, 03:17:10 PM
Well, I can say from experience that people in Boston are definitely more racist than people here. :cool:
I saw Glory Road. Kentuckians are racist Confederate flag wavers.
:D That movie didn't go over too well with Kentuckians in my office.
Quote from: citizen k on April 20, 2009, 03:20:56 PM
another factor that defines the South:
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I like that map, particularly because it bolsters my contention that West Virginia isn't part of the south, but I still prefer the grits test.
5 quatloos that Tim posts that fucking Soda map.
Re: Florida
Most people say the South stops around Gainesville or Ocala(ie just Northern Florida), which is a good approximation, but not entirely accurate. The northern part of the state is southern, but the South extends into the southern interior of the state. The coasts and cities and suburbs are obviously excluded, but there's rural Southern parts of the state pretty far south.
What's the deal with Esmeralda County in Nevada? There's only like 900 people in the whole place. Must be some sort of Baptist summer camp in the desert there...
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 20, 2009, 05:37:51 PM
What's the deal with Esmeralda County in Nevada? There's only like 900 people in the whole place. Must be some sort of Baptist summer camp in the desert there...
The one that caught my eye was the one county in Nebraska that's over 50% Baptist. In a county of under 1000 people, one family can make a huge difference in the demographs. Of course, that county in Nebraska could also be under 1000, but it's less likely than one in the desert.
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2009, 03:00:47 PM
Missouri (Ozarks, bootheel),
Heh. Actually it's the northern part of the state that is more like the south. In fact it's called "Little Dixie". The Ozarks were a Union stronghold here (people were to poor to own slaves). Areas with lots of Germans (like where I live) went Union.
General Lyon is my hero. If he hadn't died so early he'd have led the US to victory in 63. :cry:
The core of the South is Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina. Tennessee, North Carolina, Arkansas, Florida, Texas and Virginia are also Southern. Kentucky, Oklahoma, Missouri constitute the fringes of Southern civilisation, where one might reasonably find a Southern holdout.
Notes: East TN, Ozarks are mountain folk without loyalties to the South. An indiginous problem.
southern florida, northern virginia are saturated with yankees without loyalties to the south. A foreign problem.
Texas tends to consider itself Texan, rather than Southern. This attitude of independence is part of their Southern identity.
Increasingly, Georgia and North Carolina are receiving an influx of damnyankees, a problem that plagues the entire South to a lesser degree. It is hoped this will not expand- We lost Missouri to this two centuries ago, and we have lost considerable parts of Florida and Virginia in this century gone by. The South's cultural borders are shrinking.
Can you truly comprehend that quote in your signature? I doubt it. :yeahright:
I comprehend that it is hope despite history seemingly overturning what I value at every time. While it seems to me that the world is leaving me behind, Lee holds that it is merely as a tide, on such a long scale as to be out of our ken. I dont believe it, and have no faith in the future, but I do have faith in Lee, so I can accept what he says as a comfort although I do not believe it myself.
Although, at least I didint quote bebop. (Were I to do so, I would most assuredly give proper deference to Radical Edward.)
is it just me or a tard fight a brewing?
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 08:51:37 PM
is it just me or a tard fight a brewing?
I'd like a white wine spritzer.
QuoteTexas tends to consider itself Texan, rather than Southern.
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"Fellow-Citizens, in the name of your rights and liberties, which I believe have been trampled upon, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the nationality of Texas, which has been betrayed by the Convention, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the Constitution of Texas, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of my own conscience and manhood, which this Convention would degrade by dragging me before it, to pander to the malice of my enemies ... I refuse to take this oath."
-Sam Houston refusing to betray Texas to the Confederate traitors
He was indeed a very high profile dissenter. However, the rest of the South had those too. Tennessee gave those people Farragut, Virginia gave them the rock of Chickamauga. An entire section of VA withdrew its consent from the Confederacy; East TN attempted but failed to do the same. The closest Texas had to that was unrest in the north of the state, a natural extension of there being almost no authority in that region.
Houston himself merely thought the South couldent win. I too can quote the man-
'There comes a time a man's section is his country...I stand with mine. I was a conservative citizen of the United States...I am now a conservative citizen of the Southern Confederacy.'
The outpouring of blood on Texas's behalf in its struggle for independence was mirrored with interest by Texas for the Southern states as a whole during the war. the Texas legislature voted for secession by an overwhelming majority, and high estimates place opponents ot secession within the state at large as around a fourth- mostly of yankee or foreign birth.
Few nascent nations find such strong support from their populace as Texas did regarding the path to secession and independence.
Oh really? how'd the whole independence thing work out, Lettow?
Quote from: mongers on April 20, 2009, 05:40:12 PM
Anywhere west of 9' W and south of 50' N , to be on the safe side. :bowler:
When I lived in Germany (54°N) we considered everything south of Hamburg as Northern Italy/Alpine foothills. :contract:
East of Lübeck Asia commenced.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 20, 2009, 11:14:16 PM
Oh really? how'd the whole independence thing work out, Lettow?
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Quote from: Lettow77 on April 20, 2009, 08:19:49 PMThe South's cultural borders are shrinking.
The Southern culture is an oxymoron.
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 08:51:37 PM
is it just me or a tard fight a brewing?
I'd like a white wine spritzer.
Have you tried Aperol spritzer? Aperol, Prosecco, Soda, Ice. Has become very popular in Austria (imported from Italy).
Quote from: Razgovory on April 20, 2009, 05:51:09 PM
Heh. Actually it's the northern part of the state that is more like the south. In fact it's called "Little Dixie". The Ozarks were a Union stronghold here (people were to poor to own slaves). Areas with lots of Germans (like where I live) went Union.
Just because a region of the south supported the Union doesn't mean the people there aren't southerners.... as Lettuce mentioned the folks in East Tennessee were Unionists too, but having been there plenty of times I think I can say with authority you can barely get more Southern than an East Tennessean.
Quote from: Caliga on April 21, 2009, 05:05:52 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 12:57:18 AMThe Southern culture is an oxymoron.
:rolleyes:
Now now. Marti watched
North and South, so he is now an expert.
Well now he knows that I look like Patrick Swayze (not cancer-ridden Patrick Swayze :x , Dirty Dancing-era). As does Lettow.
Quote from: Caliga on April 21, 2009, 07:32:02 AM
Well now he knows that I look like Patrick Swayze (not cancer-ridden Patrick Swayze :x , Dirty Dancing-era). As does Lettow.
I liked you in
Roadhouse.
Quote from: Caliga on April 21, 2009, 05:04:22 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 20, 2009, 05:51:09 PM
Heh. Actually it's the northern part of the state that is more like the south. In fact it's called "Little Dixie". The Ozarks were a Union stronghold here (people were to poor to own slaves). Areas with lots of Germans (like where I live) went Union.
Just because a region of the south supported the Union doesn't mean the people there aren't southerners.... as Lettuce mentioned the folks in East Tennessee were Unionists too, but having been there plenty of times I think I can say with authority you can barely get more Southern than an East Tennessean.
Also the State never join the Confederacy.
It sure tried to though (e.g. Sterling Price). I still think the argument is irrelevant... whether or not a state joined the Confederacy, or portions of it tried/did not try, does not automatically define its Southern-ness. Personally I think the following factors are more important: accent, cuisine, attitudes (political/religious).
Quote from: Syt on April 21, 2009, 01:08:29 AM
Have you tried Aperol spritzer? Aperol, Prosecco, Soda, Ice. Has become very popular in Austria (imported from Italy).
:huh: ...do you drink spritz?! 5 years ago it was impossible to find outside my hometown :lmfao:
L.
Quote from: Caliga on April 21, 2009, 07:32:02 AM
Well now he knows that I look like Patrick Swayze (not cancer-ridden Patrick Swayze :x , Dirty Dancing-era). As does Lettow.
Limp. :x
Speaking of North and South, do people in the South REALLY have such an annoying accent? :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 09:43:32 AM
Speaking of North and South, do people in the South REALLY have such an annoying accent? :huh:
I do not remember the specific accents used in that series...but yes they tend to have very annoying accents.
Quote from: Valmy on April 21, 2009, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 09:43:32 AM
Speaking of North and South, do people in the South REALLY have such an annoying accent? :huh:
I do not remember the specific accents used in that series...but yes they tend to have very annoying accents.
Fuck all y'all.
Quote from: Valmy on April 21, 2009, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 09:43:32 AM
Speaking of North and South, do people in the South REALLY have such an annoying accent? :huh:
I do not remember the specific accents used in that series...but yes they tend to have very annoying accents.
I mean, I heard of the drawl, but thought it is not as pronounced.
It's like "Meydem, wooyld you leyk some weyn?"
I'll throw a weird concept into the mix....it's called the Mason-Dixon line and begins around the southern border of PA.
Talk amongst yourselves about the meaning of the lyrics "I wish I was in Dixie"
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 09:43:32 AM
Speaking of North and South, do people in the South REALLY have such an annoying accent? :huh:
It varies quite a bit depending on where you are, of course... the South is a very large region. Bigger than Poland ;)
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 09:52:24 AM
I mean, I heard of the drawl, but thought it is not as pronounced.
The Southern accent is usually over-exaggerated in movies and TV. In addition, the type of Southern accent varies, unsurprisingly, over even the states always considered part of the South. The most common movie/TV accent is more of a South Mississippi thing.
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2009, 09:55:07 AM
"I wish I was in Dixie"
Dixie is a prostitute in Richmond amirite?
Quote from: ulmont on April 21, 2009, 09:56:36 AM
The Southern accent is usually over-exaggerated in movies and TV. In addition, the type of Southern accent varies, unsurprisingly, over even the states always considered part of the South. The most common movie/TV accent is more of a South Mississippi thing.
Well also back in the day the accents were alot more pronounced then they are now. Recordings from Southerners from the 30s to the 60s are pretty hilarious. It could be they are trying to be authentic.
Quote from: Valmy on April 21, 2009, 09:58:14 AM
Well also back in the day the accents were alot more pronounced then they are now. Recordings from Southerners from the 30s to the 60s are pretty hilarious. It could be they are trying to be authentic.
I think they don't know any better, but I'll concede the point.
Here's Huey Long from the 30s:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clips/politicalspeeches/hueyplongsharethewealth.mp3
And Dolly Parton with Porter Wagoner in 1973 (there's a little intro conversation):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gwv3QmlHx8&feature=PlayList&p=DA00FF0C0CBA9A2B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=18
Quote from: ulmont on April 21, 2009, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 09:52:24 AM
I mean, I heard of the drawl, but thought it is not as pronounced.
The Southern accent is usually over-exaggerated in movies and TV. In addition, the type of Southern accent varies, unsurprisingly, over even the states always considered part of the South. The most common movie/TV accent is more of a South Mississippi thing.
The accent from the Tidewater region in VA is quite amusing and very hard to understand if you haven't experienced southern accents previously.
Southern accents do indeed vary, although they have unifying factors and an overall sense of cohesion.
They are, like Southern culture, in decline however- in certain cities especially. You really need to take refuge in the countryside to hear proper accents.
I have lived here all my life, never having left, and do not believe I posess much of an accent at all despite an impeccable Southern pedigree. :cry:
I think Grallon said I sounded british?
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2009, 09:55:07 AM
Talk amongst yourselves about the meaning of the lyrics "I wish I was in Dixie"
"Way down south in the land of cotton."
More evidence that WV isn't in the south--we don't grow cotton there. I think that leaves out Kentucky, too, but I'm not sure about that.
West Virginia isnt Southern, but Southern identity isnt tied to Cotton. They dont grow much of it in North Carolina, for example, which is still a solidly Southern state. (even in the face of its late unpleasantness..)
West Virginia is Appalachian, as is sections of Kentucky, TN, & (oddly enough, given the name), Arkansas.
Quote from: dps on April 21, 2009, 04:56:27 PMMore evidence that WV isn't in the south--we don't grow cotton there. I think that leaves out Kentucky, too, but I'm not sure about that.
Incorrect, cotton was cultivated in Kentucky, especially in western Kentucky, though I don't think it is anymore. The biggest cash crops in Kentucky were however tobacco and hemp. The county I live in used to basically be one giant hemp farm. :smoke:
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2009, 09:55:07 AM
I'll throw a weird concept into the mix....it's called the Mason-Dixon line and begins around the southern border of PA.
That might have been useful once upon a time, but I know that when I lived in Fairfax County Virginia I was not in the South, and now that I am in Fauquier County I am.
So the line is somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon line these days.
I find the Southern accent on a woman super hot. :mmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 21, 2009, 08:00:45 PM
I find the Southern accent on a woman super hot. :mmm:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 21, 2009, 08:00:45 PM
I find the Southern accent on a woman super hot. :mmm:
Depends on the south and the woman. Go to a Walmart south of Mason-Dixon and spend the rest of your life trying to remember what it is like to have an erection.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 21, 2009, 08:27:01 PM
Depends on the south and the woman. Go to a Walmart south of Mason-Dixon anywhere and spend the rest of your life trying to remember what it is like to have an erection.
:)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 21, 2009, 08:00:45 PM
I find the Southern accent on a woman super hot. :mmm:
You are welcome to them. :x
West Texas is very HOTT...East Texas, which is supposedly Southern, sounds horrid. But supposedly out on the East coast the women have hott accents...but I wouldn't know.
Quote from: Valmy on April 21, 2009, 09:36:58 PM
You are welcome to them. :x
West Texas is very HOTT...East Texas, which is supposedly Southern, sounds horrid.
In my experience, East Texas is a neverending series of roadside "antique shops" selling vintage hubcaps and plumbing looted from construction sites. Take a cruise down 59 if you don't believe me. Nothing "HOTT" can possibly come out of there.
Quote from: Caliga on April 21, 2009, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 21, 2009, 08:27:01 PM
Depends on the south and the woman. Go to a Walmart south of Mason-Dixon anywhere and spend the rest of your life trying to remember what it is like to have an erection.
:)
Is this a subtly mocking emoticon or an agreeing one? Not totally sure....
Quote from: Queequeg on April 21, 2009, 11:42:56 PM
Is this a subtly mocking emoticon or an agreeing one? Not totally sure....
He's agreeing with his own edit Squeelus.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 21, 2009, 08:27:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 21, 2009, 08:00:45 PM
I find the Southern accent on a woman super hot. :mmm:
Depends on the south and the woman. Go to a Walmart south of Mason-Dixon and spend the rest of your life trying to remember what it is like to have an erection.
The trick is to look at the cute college students and avert your eyes from everyone else, although with the economy the way it is I suspect the clientele is diversifying beyond "poor college students" and "poor [insert color] trash."
Quote from: Valmy on April 21, 2009, 09:36:58 PMsupposedly out on the East coast the women have hott accents
:blink: I have never heard anyone say that before. What 'east coast' accents are you referring to?
Quote from: Queequeg on April 21, 2009, 11:42:56 PMIs this a subtly mocking emoticon or an agreeing one? Not totally sure....
I guess both... while I agree with you about southern Wal-Marts, in my experience the clientele in northern Wal-Marts tend to be just as train-wrecky.
Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 06:49:24 AM
I guess both... while I agree with you about southern Wal-Marts, in my experience the clientele in northern Wal-Marts tend to be just as train-wrecky.
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Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 06:48:00 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 21, 2009, 09:36:58 PMsupposedly out on the East coast the women have hott accents
:blink: I have never heard anyone say that before. What 'east coast' accents are you referring to?
I was presuming he meant like the Carolinas, cause New joisey/New yawk sure as hell ain't hot.
Quote from: katmai on April 22, 2009, 06:59:59 AMI was presuming he meant like the Carolinas, cause New joisey/New yawk sure as hell ain't hot.
a-ha! Yes, I can see someone saying that about South Carolina accents, especially Charleston area :perv:
DP, seen it before. :lol:
Here's a list of ones I've seen:
"rat tail" hair style
rebel flag t-shirt
child without shoes
white girl with 3+ multiracial children
woman with hair curlers
someone using an oxygen tank
someone oblivious to the fact they are in your way
entire family wearing NASCAR apparel
unattended crying children
man under 30 without any teeth
pregnant woman with visible "tramp stamp" tattoo
someone missing a limb
someone with unbearable body odor
looks like it's BINGO for me. :yeah:
You spend too much time at Wal-Mart, Cal. :lol:
Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 06:48:00 AM
:blink: I have never heard anyone say that before. What 'east coast' accents are you referring to?
We were talking about Southern Accents yes? So obviously I was talking about Georgia and the Carolinas.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2009, 08:07:24 AM
You spend too much time at Wal-Mart, Cal. :lol:
The Super Wal-Mart in Shelbyville is one of the closest "big" stores to me. :blush:
Quote from: Valmy on April 22, 2009, 08:08:12 AMWe were talking about Southern Accents yes? So obviously I was talking about Georgia and the Carolinas.
Ok, gotcha, it's just that to me when someone says "east coast" and doesn't qualify it they're talking about the Boston-Washington corridor. ^_^
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2009, 08:07:24 AM
You spend too much time at Wal-Mart, Cal. :lol:
If you're lucky you could get all of them on one trip.
Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 07:09:46 AM
DP, seen it before. :lol:
Here's a list of ones I've seen:
"rat tail" hair style
rebel flag t-shirt
child without shoes
white girl with 3+ multiracial children
woman with hair curlers
someone using an oxygen tank
someone oblivious to the fact they are in your way
entire family wearing NASCAR apparel
unattended crying children
man under 30 without any teeth
pregnant woman with visible "tramp stamp" tattoo
someone missing a limb
someone with unbearable body odor
looks like it's BINGO for me. :yeah:
No voice box? :cry:
I always like the preggos smoking outside in the parking lot.
Also, if you want to troll for ass, Target usually has a higher quality of MILF.
Or just go to the mall and troll for jailbait.
Quote from: Caliga on April 22, 2009, 07:09:46 AM
someone oblivious to the fact they are in your way
To be fair, you see that at a lot of better places nowdays, too.
And I've never seen the "child over 5 drinking from a baby bottle" one, and I hope I never do.
Quote from: dps on April 22, 2009, 10:47:22 PMTo be fair, you see that at a lot of better places nowdays, too.
Oh, I know. Anywhere there are old people or soccer moms, you run into this constantly. As for the "fat person on a scooter", I've not seen that at a Wal-Mart that I can recall but I went to a Kroger in the rural part of neighboring Shelby County once and there were like 10 of them, all of whom also met the "oblivious they're in your way" attribute. :bleeding:
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2009, 06:53:44 AM
Quote from: dps on April 22, 2009, 10:47:22 PMTo be fair, you see that at a lot of better places nowdays, too.
Oh, I know. Anywhere there are old people or soccer moms, you run into this constantly. As for the "fat person on a scooter", I've not seen that at a Wal-Mart that I can recall but I went to a Kroger in the rural part of neighboring Shelby County once and there were like 10 of them, all of whom also met the "oblivious they're in your way" attribute. :bleeding:
Everybody at Kroger seems oblivious. Hell, I did my good deed for the year screening a lady in a wheelchair with a Ilazrov Fixator on her leg, because jackasses kept ramming her.
I GOT ANGRY, turned green and turned into a fullback.