Popped into London today, business was productive, had time to catch two exhibitions, check out the new boris bike system and go to the British Library for a talk/open panel by four science fiction authors.
Even the journey home through the streets of London as dusk settled was enjoyable, all in all a near perfect day.
The talk at the Library was about 1960s sci-fi and those taking part included Michael Moorcock, Brian Aldiss and two others whose names escape me at this late hour.
I had intended to ask a question about encouraging the literary ambitions of others (ie some Languishites), but what Brian Aldiss said earlier seemed to me to make my question redundant.
This is what he said:
"I don't write for money, I write because I have something on my mind" the example he gave was when his wife left him and took the children, he was left missing the children terribly, living in poverty in a single room. So he wrote his novel 'Greybeard' about a future Earth where humans have become sterile, there are no children and only an ever aging population, this reflecting his 'loss' of his children.
So my question to those Languishites who have literary ambitions is, What is on your mind, what is bothering you ?
Maybe you should be writing about that subject, rather than endlessly shooting the breeze here and making tens of thousands of almost literally ephemeral posts. :gasp:
You are right, of course.
The challenge lies in transforming a rather bland and banal experience one has had into something other people can recognise and at the very least be entertained by.
Your example with Brian Aldiss is excellent in illustrating that point. Rather than write an angry, bitter autobiography, he wrote something with a wider perspective.
I suppose in that sense, I don't have anything at all on my mind.
I don't always have an ambition to finish a post, let alone a wh
I'm writing a business book, Sulla's business strategy.
I'll buy it. Will you use a pseudonym?
Quote from: Norgy on June 22, 2011, 09:45:48 AM
I'll buy it. Will you use a pseudonym?
'Derek Zoolander'
Crappy forums are for spilling what's on your mind so it's clear to sit down in front of a blank screen to write what pays the bills.
Quote from: Norgy on June 22, 2011, 09:40:03 AM
You are right, of course.
The challenge lies in transforming a rather bland and banal experience one has had into something other people can recognise and at the very least be entertained by.
Your example with Brian Aldiss is excellent in illustrating that point. Rather than write an angry, bitter autobiography, he wrote something with a wider perspective.
I suppose in that sense, I don't have anything at all on my mind.
Yes, I'm not sure I have anything worthwhile on my mind either, but if I had any facility for writing, I think I'd have left that room intent on writing; very inspiration guy, and nice to chat with, for someone who's 86 years old still has a joie de vivre.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 22, 2011, 09:43:32 AM
I'm writing a business book, Sulla's business strategy.
Sulla's tip: Do not forget to massacre a thousand Samnites in ear shot while you are announcing your new business plan.
Quote from: Brazen on June 22, 2011, 09:48:43 AM
Crappy forums are for spilling what's on your mind so it's clear to sit down in front of a blank screen to write what pays the bills.
Yes, but he was saying he turned what was on his mind into novels, which presumably eventually ended up paying the bills anyway. :hmm:
When I was young I wanted to write. As I've aged I realized I had little to say and the inability to articulate that bit.
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 22, 2011, 09:43:32 AM
I'm writing a business book, Sulla's business strategy.
Sulla's tip: Do not forget to massacre a thousand Samnites in ear shot while you are announcing your new business plan.
Destroy your opponent before they strike at you I should have listened to you Sulla. :weep:
Quote from: mongers on June 21, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
This is what he said:
"I don't write for money, I write because I have something on my mind" the example he gave was when his wife left him and took the children, he was left missing the children terribly, living in poverty in a single room. So he wrote his novel 'Greybeard' about a future Earth where humans have become sterile, there are no children and only an ever aging population, this reflecting his 'loss' of his children.
And I call bullshit. Aldis may have written some of his stuff because he "couldn't
not write it" as someone (Twain, maybe?) once said, but he also wrote a lot of (generally mediocre) stories and books that were pretty clearly not designed to convoy a deeper meaning or get anything off his chest, but just for the money.
Moreau's Other Island and
Frankenstein Unbound are both clearly potboilers.
I think only Phillip Dick was crazed enough to write SF books/stories purely because he had to. I would believe it if he claimed not to write for money.
He didn't say he had to write something that was good. Simply because you don't like it, doesn't mean he didn't have to write it.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 22, 2011, 12:53:24 PM
He didn't say he had to write something that was good. Simply because you don't like it, doesn't mean he didn't have to write it.
Please read posts before you respond to them. kthxby
Rereading it, it seems to fit your post. Please identify your criticism in my post.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 22, 2011, 01:07:19 PM
Rereading it, it seems to fit your post. Please identify your criticism in my post.
Please show me where I said I didn't like something. You either didn't read what I wrote or you read it and decided to create a strawman argument anyway.
QuotePopped into London today, business was productive, had time to catch two exhibitions, check out the new boris bike system and go to the British Library for a talk/open panel by four science fiction authors.
That's neither "business" nor "productive".
More like "idle" and "waste of time".
Quote from: Martinus on June 22, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
QuotePopped into London today, business was productive, had time to catch two exhibitions, check out the new boris bike system and go to the British Library for a talk/open panel by four science fiction authors.
That's neither "business" nor "productive".
More like "idle" and "waste of time".
:blink:
Quote from: jamesww on June 22, 2011, 01:36:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 22, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
QuotePopped into London today, business was productive, had time to catch two exhibitions, check out the new boris bike system and go to the British Library for a talk/open panel by four science fiction authors.
That's neither "business" nor "productive".
More like "idle" and "waste of time".
:blink:
Marti doesn't understand the OP. Give him a break; English is difficult to learn, and for Slavs it is more difficult than for most. For Marti, the best policy is to ignore 99% of what he says (like the brainfart he posed above) and mock the other 1%.
Quote from: grumbler on June 22, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 22, 2011, 01:07:19 PM
Rereading it, it seems to fit your post. Please identify your criticism in my post.
Please show me where I said I didn't like something. You either didn't read what I wrote or you read it and decided to create a strawman argument anyway.
You said they were pretty clearly potboilers. I took that as a negative assessment.
Quote from: grumbler on June 22, 2011, 12:36:29 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 21, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
This is what he said:
"I don't write for money, I write because I have something on my mind" the example he gave was when his wife left him and took the children, he was left missing the children terribly, living in poverty in a single room. So he wrote his novel 'Greybeard' about a future Earth where humans have become sterile, there are no children and only an ever aging population, this reflecting his 'loss' of his children.
And I call bullshit. Aldis may have written some of his stuff because he "couldn't not write it" as someone (Twain, maybe?) once said, but he also wrote a lot of (generally mediocre) stories and books that were pretty clearly not designed to convoy a deeper meaning or get anything off his chest, but just for the money. Moreau's Other Island and Frankenstein Unbound are both clearly potboilers.
I think only Phillip Dick was crazed enough to write SF books/stories purely because he had to. I would believe it if he claimed not to write for money.
I took it to mean, he was illustrating what his primary motivation was, not that it was a literal truth or that most of the time he never even bothered to cash his publishers cheques.
I reviewed my senior film script. It's not Akiva Goldsman bad, so I registered it with the Copyright office, and have dropped it on an agent-feeder website. It's sad that I'm not appreciably better as a writer now than I was in 1998, although I suspect that most of that is that I haven't done any serious creative writing since then. Professional writing is simply not comparable.
Quote from: Scipio on June 23, 2011, 06:57:47 PM
I reviewed my senior film script. It's not Akiva Goldsman bad, so I registered it with the Copyright office, and have dropped it on an agent-feeder website. It's sad that I'm not appreciably better as a writer now than I was in 1998, although I suspect that most of that is that I haven't done any serious creative writing since then. Professional writing is simply not comparable.
Good for you.