http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110617/ap_on_re_us/un_un_gay_rights
QuoteThe United Nations endorsed the rights of gay, lesbian and transgender people for the first time ever Friday, passing a resolution hailed as historic by the U.S. and other backers and decried by some African and Muslim countries.
The declaration was cautiously worded, expressing "grave concern" about abuses because of sexual orientation and commissioning a global report on discrimination against gays.
But activists called it an important shift on an issue that has divided the global body for decades, and they credited the Obama administration's push for gay rights at home and abroad.
"This represents a historic moment to highlight the human rights abuses and violations that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people face around the world based solely on who they are and whom they love," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in a statement.
Following tense negotiations, members of the Geneva-based U.N. Human Rights Council narrowly voted in favor of the declaration put forward by South Africa, with 23 votes in favor and 19 against.
Backers included the U.S., the European Union, Brazil and other Latin American countries. Those against included Russia, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Pakistan. China, Burkina Faso and Zambia abstained, Kyrgyzstan didn't vote and Libya was suspended from the rights body earlier.
The resolution expressed "grave concern at acts of violence and discrimination, in all regions of the world, committed against individuals because of their sexual orientation and gender identity."
More important, activists said, it also established a formal U.N. process to document human rights abuses against gays, including discriminatory laws and acts of violence. According to Amnesty International, consensual same-sex relations are illegal in 76 countries worldwide, while harassment and discrimination are common in many more.
"Today's resolution breaks the silence that has been maintained for far too long," said John Fisher of the gay rights advocacy group ARC International.
The resolution calls for a panel discussion next spring with "constructive, informed and transparent dialogue on the issue of discriminatory laws and practices and acts of violence against" gays, lesbians and transgender people.
The prospect of having their laws scrutinized in this way went too far for many of the council's 47-member states.
"We are seriously concerned at the attempt to introduce to the United Nations some notions that have no legal foundation," said Zamir Akram, Pakistan's envoy to the U.N. in Geneva, speaking on behalf of the Organization of the Islamic Conference.
Nigeria claimed the proposal went against the wishes of most Africans. A diplomat from the northwest African state of Mauritania called the resolution "an attempt to replace the natural rights of a human being with an unnatural right."
Boris Dittrich of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights program at Human Rights Watch said it was important for the U.S. and Western Europe to persuade South Africa to take the lead on the resolution so that other non-Western countries would be less able to claim the West was imposing its values.
At the same time, he noted that the U.N. has no enforcement mechanism to back up the resolution. "It's up to civil society to name and shame those governments that continue abuses," Dittrich said.
The Obama administration has been pushing for gay rights both domestically and internationally.
In March, the U.S. issued a nonbinding declaration in favor of gay rights that gained the support of more than 80 countries at the U.N. In addition, Congress recently repealed the ban on gays openly serving in the military, and the Obama administration said it would no longer defend the constitutionality of the U.S. law that bars federal recognition of same-sex marriage.
The vote in Geneva came at a momentous time for the gay rights debate in the U.S. Activists across the political spectrum were on edge Friday as New York legislators considered a bill that would make the state the sixth — and by far the biggest — to allow same-sex marriage.
Asked what good the U.N. resolution would do for gays and lesbians in countries that opposed the resolution, U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary Daniel Baer said it was a signal "that there are many people in the international community who stand with them and who support them, and that change will come."
"It's a historic method of tyranny to make you feel that you are alone," he said. "One of the things that this resolution does for people everywhere, particularly LGBT people everywhere, is remind them that they are not alone."
Another failure for the UN.
I note with pleasure that Libya wasn't there to vote against it on the grounds that we are bombing it back to the bronze age.*
*Note to self, buy more bombs and bombers so we can bomb them back to the stone age.
QuoteNigeria claimed the proposal went against the wishes of most Africans.
Considering what most Africans feel is appropriate, I'm alright that this is against their wishes.
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:08:25 PM
I note with pleasure that Libya wasn't there to vote against it on the grounds that we are bombing it back to the bronze age.*
*Note to self, buy more bombs and bombers so we can bomb them back to the stone age.
Who's we? Aren't you Icelandic?
Congrats. Will this be a new gay holiday?
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:08:25 PM
I note with pleasure that Libya wasn't there to vote against it on the grounds that we are bombing it back to the bronze age.*
*Note to self, buy more bombs and bombers so we can bomb them back to the stone age.
Who's we? Aren't you Icelandic?
Iceland is in NATO.. but I have Norwegian Passport now.
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:08:16 PM
Another failure for the UN.
It gets better. :console:
Quote from: derspiess on June 17, 2011, 04:31:24 PM
Congrats. Will this be a new gay holiday?
Who cares much about the UN? Though Google says that today marks the start of gay pride in Columbus. :unsure:
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:08:25 PM
I note with pleasure that Libya wasn't there to vote against it on the grounds that we are bombing it back to the bronze age.*
*Note to self, buy more bombs and bombers so we can bomb them back to the stone age.
Who's we? Aren't you Icelandic?
Iceland is in NATO.. but I have Norwegian Passport now.
Iceland is in NATO, but only as a base. They're useless.
Norway isn't terrible though. They've taken part in the mission, so they get credit for that.
Quote from: garbon on June 17, 2011, 04:38:33 PM
Who cares much about the UN? Though Google says that today marks the start of gay pride in Columbus. :unsure:
The Columbus gays (hey, that sounds like a baseball team) have not had any pride until today? :(
Quote from: The Brain on June 17, 2011, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 17, 2011, 04:37:18 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:08:16 PM
Another failure for the UN.
It gets better. :console:
It does? How does it get better?
Turn that frown upside down for starters.
I'm always happy. Life's been good to me. It takes more than some talkshop somewhere saying that gays are people to make it so.
Quote from: garbon on June 17, 2011, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 17, 2011, 04:31:24 PM
Congrats. Will this be a new gay holiday?
Who cares much about the UN? Though Google says that today marks the start of gay pride in Columbus. :unsure:
I assume OHGamer is fagging it up there.
I also thank you for the reminder, so I can avoid the city this weekend. :)
Wahoo! USA! USA!
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:44:05 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:08:25 PM
I note with pleasure that Libya wasn't there to vote against it on the grounds that we are bombing it back to the bronze age.*
*Note to self, buy more bombs and bombers so we can bomb them back to the stone age.
Who's we? Aren't you Icelandic?
Iceland is in NATO.. but I have Norwegian Passport now.
Iceland is in NATO, but only as a base. They're useless.
Norway isn't terrible though. They've taken part in the mission, so they get credit for that.
That accusation is baseless.... and so is Iceland.. the americans left.... :weep:
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:08:25 PM
I note with pleasure that Libya wasn't there to vote against it on the grounds that we are bombing it back to the bronze age.*
*Note to self, buy more bombs and bombers so we can bomb them back to the stone age.
I'm interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Anyway, the obvious lesson from this is: we should constantly be bombing all Muslim and African countries back to pleistocene.
Vatican should also be bombed, but with neutron bombs.
Whenever I hear of a "gay pride", I get this mental image of a clique of rather fabulously dressed, somewhat effeminate lions.
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 04:00:54 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:08:25 PM
I note with pleasure that Libya wasn't there to vote against it on the grounds that we are bombing it back to the bronze age.*
*Note to self, buy more bombs and bombers so we can bomb them back to the stone age.
I'm interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Anyway, the obvious lesson from this is: we should constantly be bombing all Muslim and African countries back to pleistocene.
Vatican should also be bombed, but with neutron bombs.
Who is we? Your type have nothing to do with these matters.
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 04:00:54 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2011, 04:08:25 PM
I note with pleasure that Libya wasn't there to vote against it on the grounds that we are bombing it back to the bronze age.*
*Note to self, buy more bombs and bombers so we can bomb them back to the stone age.
I'm interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Anyway, the obvious lesson from this is: we should constantly be bombing all Muslim and African countries back to pleistocene.
Vatican should also be bombed, but with neutron bombs.
too much organic material in the collected works of art and culture in there!!
so no bombing allowed.
Quote from: garbon on June 18, 2011, 07:39:07 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 17, 2011, 04:37:18 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 04:08:16 PM
Another failure for the UN.
It gets better. :console:
It does? How does it get better?
For gays, not you.
I rather doubt that. After all, the West can't hold out forever. One day, and I'll live to see it, people like Martinus will be burned at the stake, or thrown off a roof, or something that fits his crimes.
Quote from: Neil on June 18, 2011, 07:41:15 AM
I rather doubt that. After all, the West can't hold out forever. One day, and I'll live to see it, people like Martinus will be burned at the stake, or thrown off a roof, or something that fits his crimes.
Marty doesn't even live in the West.
Strange from China, would have thought they'd be set against it.
Quote from: Tyr on June 18, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
Strange from China, would have thought they'd be set against it.
They want people to *stop* making babies. :contract:
I want to slit Renly's throat, and not with my honey sword.
Why?
To piss off Martinus, of course.
Just saw the list of voting countries. Proud to see Poland (and Ukraine) voted in favour. Russia and Moldova seemed to be the only non-Muslim or non-African countries that voted against.
Fun to see Libya, Russia or Saudi Arabia on the UN Human Rights Council. No North Korea though?
If extreme hatred of faggotry means you are in fact a faggot yourself, what does that say about your enthusiasm for it, Marty? :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 08:50:35 AM
If extreme hatred of faggotry means you are in fact a faggot yourself, what does that say about your enthusiasm for it, Marty? :hmm:
Wrong thread?
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 18, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
Strange from China, would have thought they'd be set against it.
They want people to *stop* making babies. :contract:
Its sensible for them to be pro-homosexuality certainly but it isn't the way they normally act.
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 08:50:35 AM
If extreme hatred of faggotry means you are in fact a faggot yourself, what does that say about your enthusiasm for it, Marty? :hmm:
... and his extreme hatred for Islam indicates that he's a crypto-Muslim. Same goes for you, I suppose.
Quote from: Tyr on June 19, 2011, 11:50:42 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 18, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
Strange from China, would have thought they'd be set against it.
They want people to *stop* making babies. :contract:
Its sensible for them to be pro-homosexuality certainly but it isn't the way they normally act.
Well, abstaining on the vote over "We shouldn't be killing gays, really" is not exactly an extreme pro-homosexuality stance. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 12:57:10 PM
Well, abstaining on the vote over "We shouldn't be killing gays, really" is not exactly an extreme pro-homosexuality stance. :rolleyes:
Acting like homosexuals are persons is a Western idea. It's racist for you to expect them to uncritically accept it.
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 12:57:10 PM
Well, abstaining on the vote over "We shouldn't be killing gays, really" is not exactly an extreme pro-homosexuality stance. :rolleyes:
Acting like homosexuals are persons is a Western idea. It's racist for you to expect them to uncritically accept it.
Not really. In fact, a lot of homophobia in countries like India or in Africa is a left over from the colonial era.
Quote from: Jacob on June 19, 2011, 12:09:55 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 08:50:35 AM
If extreme hatred of faggotry means you are in fact a faggot yourself, what does that say about your enthusiasm for it, Marty? :hmm:
... and his extreme hatred for Islam indicates that he's a crypto-Muslim. Same goes for you, I suppose.
It would appear so. And could possibly be of some merit, given their sense of conservative values and shared hatred of the Jews. You're on to something. :hmm:
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 08:50:35 AM
If extreme hatred of faggotry means you are in fact a faggot yourself, what does that say about your enthusiasm for it, Marty? :hmm:
Wrong thread?
No, I think that can't be. Whatever thread you're posting, the content is pretty much the same. :P
Edit: Oh, sorry. Yeah for once this was not a Martinus thread. I just assumed it was. :lol:
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 12:57:10 PM
Well, abstaining on the vote over "We shouldn't be killing gays, really" is not exactly an extreme pro-homosexuality stance. :rolleyes:
Acting like homosexuals are persons is a Western idea. It's racist for you to expect them to uncritically accept it.
Not really. In fact, a lot of homophobia in countries like India or in Africa is a left over from the colonial era.
A common misconception amongst left-wing extremists who hate the West but love homosexuals.
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
Edit: Oh, sorry. Yeah for once this was not a Martinus thread. I just assumed it was. :lol:
Garbon, Martinus, what's the difference?
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
Edit: Oh, sorry. Yeah for once this was not a Martinus thread. I just assumed it was. :lol:
<_<
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 08:22:16 AM
Fun to see Libya, Russia or Saudi Arabia on the UN Human Rights Council. No North Korea though?
Which Libya is on the UN right now anyway?
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 01:29:20 PM
Not really. In fact, a lot of homophobia in countries like India or in Africa is a left over from the colonial era.
Man everything gets blamed on colonialism.
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 01:29:20 PMIn fact, a lot of homophobia in countries like India or in Africa is a left over from the colonial era.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2011, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 01:29:20 PMIn fact, a lot of homophobia in countries like India or in Africa is a left over from the colonial era.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well the actual laws that ban it were put in place by the British. :contract:
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2011, 05:02:03 PM
I also thank you for the reminder, so I can avoid the city this weekend. :)
The drive to Columbus is usually enough to keep me away. Since there's absolutely nothing in between Columbus & Cincy (save for a crappy outlet mall), the drive feels like way more the 2 hours it takes.
Quote from: garbon on June 19, 2011, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2011, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2011, 01:29:20 PMIn fact, a lot of homophobia in countries like India or in Africa is a left over from the colonial era.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well the actual laws that ban it were put in place by the British. :contract:
All of the laws were put in place by the British. Barbarians don't have laws.
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
Edit: Oh, sorry. Yeah for once this was not a Martinus thread. I just assumed it was. :lol:
Garbon, Martinus, what's the difference?
Garbon = Good homo
Martinus = Dirty fag
Quote from: derspiess on June 20, 2011, 09:39:51 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2011, 05:02:03 PM
I also thank you for the reminder, so I can avoid the city this weekend. :)
The drive to Columbus is usually enough to keep me away. Since there's absolutely nothing in between Columbus & Cincy (save for a crappy outlet mall), the drive feels like way more the 2 hours it takes.
Hey! I live in that nothing!
And if you are talking about the Jefferson outlet mall, yes, it is crappy.
Quote from: derspiess on June 17, 2011, 04:47:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 17, 2011, 04:38:33 PM
Who cares much about the UN? Though Google says that today marks the start of gay pride in Columbus. :unsure:
The Columbus gays (hey, that sounds like a baseball team) have not had any pride until today? :(
Gay or straight, if you live in Ohio there's not much of anything for you to be proud of.
Quote from: Neil on June 18, 2011, 07:41:15 AM
One day, and I'll live to see it, people like Martinus will be burned at the stake, or thrown off a roof, or something that fits his crimes.
Feet amputation?
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 20, 2011, 11:37:56 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
Edit: Oh, sorry. Yeah for once this was not a Martinus thread. I just assumed it was. :lol:
Garbon, Martinus, what's the difference?
Garbon = Good homo
Martinus = Dirty fag
Also, Garbon has the superior qualities of not being a lawyer or a Euro. ;)
Quote from: dps on June 20, 2011, 01:11:27 PMAlso, Garbon has the superior qualities of not being a lawyer or a Euro. ;)
The jury is still out on whether Marty is either of those.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 20, 2011, 11:39:13 AM
Hey! I live in that nothing!
I thought you lived west of that nothing :hmm:
QuoteAnd if you are talking about the Jefferson outlet mall, yes, it is crappy.
IIRC, it used to be decent. We always used to stop by when we'd visit before we moved here. But the last couple of times I was there I saw too many prices above what I could easily find retail.