http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_18149799
All sorts of fail - from Zuckerberg grandstanding to the elitism of slaughtering one's own food and then in the comments - the upset vegetarians and irate poor country folk.
QuoteEvery year, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg takes on a personal challenge. Last year, it was to learn Chinese. This year, Zuckerberg has taken on a meatier task: Any animal he eats must die by his own hand.
Palo Alto resident Zuckerberg has joined the growing ranks of people learning to slaughter their own meat, according to a Fortune blog post that Facebook confirmed Thursday.
"This year, my personal challenge is around being thankful for the food I have to eat," Zuckerberg, 27, told the magazine. "I think many people forget that a living being has to die for you to eat meat, so my goal revolves around not letting myself forget that and being thankful for what I have. This year I've basically become a vegetarian since the only meat I'm eating is from animals I've killed myself. So far, this has been a good experience. I'm eating a lot healthier foods and I've learned a lot about sustainable farming and raising of animals."
Zuckerberg, according to Fortune, was baptized into the practice of slaughtering his own food, including lobsters, chickens and goats, by prominent Bay Area foodie and neighbor Jesse Ziff Cool, the owner of the Menlo Park restaurant Flea Street Cafe.
"He cut the throat of the goat with a knife, which is the most kind way to do it," Cool told Fortune.
According to several Bay Area butchers licensed by the state to "break" or cut up beef, pigs and other animals for customers, including one who thinks a Zuckerberg-slaughtered hog arrived at her business stuffed in the back of a luxury sedan, the kill-your-own-supper movement has become increasingly popular among Silicon Valley's high-tech crowd.
Dave Peterson of Corralitos Market & Sausage Co. near Santa Cruz, one of only a few area butchers licensed by the state to cut up carcasses for individuals, said he's seeing more and more rich young entrepreneurs "coming in from over the hill" from Silicon Valley.
"They all want to learn how to do it; they want to come in and watch us cut it up, because I think these days people who have the means to kill their own food want to see exactly what they're eating," he said.
Zuckerberg told Fortune that he started thinking about slaughtering his own meat after he held a pig roast at his home last year and was troubled when others said they didn't want to think about the pig being alive. "That just seemed irresponsible to me,'' he said. As part of his new regimen, he said, he now only goes to restaurants where he can eat vegetarian.
Karl Wada, sous chef and part-time butcher at Berkeley's Café Rouge, which has offered butchering classes in the past and plans to do so again, says the appeal for carnivores is the same as for vegetarians who frequent organic farmers markets to buy their produce.
"I think people just want to fill in the gaps of what they didn't know about what's on their plate," Wada said. "It's not for everybody. It's kind of an elitist thing. "
Sarah Lewis, whose family has owned Freedom Meat Lockers & Sausage Co. outside Watsonville for three generations, suspects it was Zuckerberg's hog that arrived at her business about a month ago.
"We'd had a conference call about a month ago with these rich Silicon Valley types who'd never killed their own meat before and they were asking me a million and one questions,'' Lewis said. "It was like they were interviewing us, asking how things are processed here, and why should they pick us.''
The following weekend, several young men showed up at the shop. One of them opened the trunk of his luxury car, and there was the byproduct of the conference call.
After a call from this newspaper, Lewis said one of her butchers googled Zuckerberg's picture, and felt a shock of recognition. "He said he recognizes Zuckerberg as the guy who came in with the pig in back of the Lexus."
Does it count if he goes to the barn, walks up to the cow in the pen, and caps it in the head?
This sounds like an article from The Onion. What a nutcase.
Congratulations, you're able to slaughter captive, domesticated animals you didn't raise, with tools you didn't make. You're in the deep ecology now. Like Swamp Thing deep.
Quotethe kill-your-own-supper movement has become increasingly popular among Silicon Valley's high-tech crowd.
:bleeding: I really hope these people die in a fire.
I was about to post this on Facebook, laughing at him, but then thought it would be self-defeating. :(
Quote from: Martinus on May 29, 2011, 02:10:15 PM
I was about to post this on Facebook, laughing at him, but then thought it would be self-defeating. :(
I saw it posted on facebook. ^_^
I blame Ned Stark for that. <_<
Quote from: Martinus on May 29, 2011, 02:10:15 PM
I was about to post this on Facebook, laughing at him, but then thought it would be self-defeating. :(
It's already ironic because his affectation is in a sense Luddist.
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"He cut the throat of the goat with a knife, which is the most kind way to do it," Cool told Fortune.
Maybe a millenium ago. I'm pretty sure technology has moved on since the time of Muhammed though...
Quote from: Tyr on May 29, 2011, 06:47:15 PM
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"He cut the throat of the goat with a knife, which is the most kind way to do it," Cool told Fortune.
Maybe a millenium ago. I'm pretty sure technology has moved on since the time of Muhammed though...
Do you really want him to build a goat guillotine in his back yard?
I'd like to have an Animetard guillotine. I'd spend all day just choppin' off heads. Then I'd purge the nerd population down to manageable levels.
Languish would soon be depopulated, as I dealt with the scum.
Sigh, another dream that will go unfulfilled.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 29, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
I'd like to have an Animetard guillotine. I'd spend all day just choppin' off heads. Then I'd purge the nerd population down to manageable levels.
Languish would soon be depopulated, as I dealt with the scum.
Sigh, another dream that will go unfulfilled.
Not to mention that Syt doesn't have a freezer big enough for all that meat. <_<
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 29, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
I'd like to have an Animetard guillotine. I'd spend all day just choppin' off heads. Then I'd purge the nerd population down to manageable levels.
Languish would soon be depopulated, as I dealt with the scum.
Sigh, another dream that will go unfulfilled.
I would be honored to be a fellow member of The Languish Directory.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2011, 07:28:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 29, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
I'd like to have an Animetard guillotine. I'd spend all day just choppin' off heads. Then I'd purge the nerd population down to manageable levels.
Languish would soon be depopulated, as I dealt with the scum.
Sigh, another dream that will go unfulfilled.
I would be honored to be a fellow member of The Languish Directory.
I'll be your Mme. Corday.
^_^
Mart would be begging the executioner to chop off the feet.
Can I be your Quisling? :)
At the risk of taking up for Zuckerberg... I think many of us would be uncomfortable killing all the animals we eat; especially those of us that eat meat almost every meal. If he wants to do this exercise on some sort of personal quest to understand food ethics, why not? He is a 20 something billionaire. He has to do something wtih his time, and this is better than having professional video crews put together films of you doing jet ski stunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OYLWHtCDk
Quote from: alfred russel on May 29, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
At the risk of taking up for Zuckerberg... I think many of us would be uncomfortable killing all the animals we eat; especially those of us that eat meat almost every meal. If he wants to do this exercise on some sort of personal quest to understand food ethics, why not? He is a 20 something billionaire. He has to do something wtih his time, and this is better than having professional video crews put together films of you doing jet ski stunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OYLWHtCDk
There seem like shorter cuts to figuring out "food ethics."
The problems are, firstly, that he's
not special--the ninety billion dumbest, meanest people who ever lived knew how to kill animals with their own efforts--and secondly, it seems like he's fetishized a disturbing practice in an effort to subvert the obvious moral problem he has with it.
It's not a disturbing practice. Quit being a homosexual, goddamn it.
Of course it's a disturbing practice, at least to many consumers.
Quote from: Ideologue on May 29, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 29, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
At the risk of taking up for Zuckerberg... I think many of us would be uncomfortable killing all the animals we eat; especially those of us that eat meat almost every meal. If he wants to do this exercise on some sort of personal quest to understand food ethics, why not? He is a 20 something billionaire. He has to do something wtih his time, and this is better than having professional video crews put together films of you doing jet ski stunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OYLWHtCDk
There seem like shorter cuts to figuring out "food ethics."
The problems are, firstly, that he's not special--the ninety billion dumbest, meanest people who ever lived knew how to kill animals with their own efforts--and secondly, it seems like he's fetishized a disturbing practice in an effort to subvert the obvious moral problem he has with it.
Why is there a problem with him not being special? Is he claiming to be special because he slaughters animals?
In a "I gazed into the abyss, the abyss gazed also, and I got her number" sort of way. I may be overanalyzing it.
But it really does seem like something a bunch of rich hippies would get into to feel morally superior to the common person who eats his hamburgers at the end of a long distribution chain, doesn't it?
Quote"He cut the throat of the goat with a knife, which is the most kind way to do it," Cool told Fortune.
What's the big deal?
Teaching SERE classes, on how to prep food, we used smash the goat's head with a hammer. Ball-peel hammer right between the eyes. Rabbits you grab by the back legs and swing it against a tree.
Hey Before, I got the munchies. Go smash me up some goat.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 29, 2011, 11:11:31 PM
Hey Before, I got the munchies. Go smash me up some goat.
:lmfao:
IMO the original article is nothing more than a rich person trend. Next they'll start throwing slaughter parties and call themselves sophisticated, chic, vogue, or avant-garde. I would call them a bunch of homos, but that would insult homos.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 29, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
At the risk of taking up for Zuckerberg... I think many of us would be uncomfortable killing all the animals we eat; especially those of us that eat meat almost every meal. If he wants to do this exercise on some sort of personal quest to understand food ethics, why not? He is a 20 something billionaire. He has to do something wtih his time, and this is better than having professional video crews put together films of you doing jet ski stunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OYLWHtCDk
He shouldn't do it because it is ridiculously retarded. First of all, he is taking job from people who do this for a living. Second, if he has a problem with eating meat, then slaughtering animals after he whispers sweet nothings to them is hardly the right way to do it. Third, it is creepy.
Besides, this is extremely inconsistent with the way we already operate as a species/culture. If he is doing that, why not also slaughter each animal that becomes his leather jacket, or personally extract the oil for his car by watching the destruction it brings to the local ecosystems (I think he should only drive on petroleum he sponges out of a drenched pelican or something :rolleyes: ). He should only eat eggs from chickens he personally raises (the industrial chicken farms are a nightmare much worse than a slaughter house), and only drink water from a well he personally dug up (I'm willing to bet he drinks the one flown on planes from fiji).
In short, it is an idiotic and inconsistent affectation of a hipster.
For the record, I'm for the humane treatment of animals, but I'm not a vegetarian. I think vegetarians are idiots too.
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2011, 12:47:34 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 29, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
At the risk of taking up for Zuckerberg... I think many of us would be uncomfortable killing all the animals we eat; especially those of us that eat meat almost every meal. If he wants to do this exercise on some sort of personal quest to understand food ethics, why not? He is a 20 something billionaire. He has to do something wtih his time, and this is better than having professional video crews put together films of you doing jet ski stunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OYLWHtCDk
He shouldn't do it because it is ridiculously retarded. First of all, he is taking job from people who do this for a living. Second, if he has a problem with eating meat, then slaughtering animals after he whispers sweet nothings to them is hardly the right way to do it. Third, it is creepy.
Besides, this is extremely inconsistent with the way we already operate as a species/culture. If he is doing that, why not also slaughter each animal that becomes his leather jacket, or personally extract the oil for his car by watching the destruction it brings to the local ecosystems (I think he should only drive on petroleum he sponges out of a drenched pelican or something :rolleyes: ). He should only eat eggs from chickens he personally raises (the industrial chicken farms are a nightmare much worse than a slaughter house), and only drink water from a well he personally dug up (I'm willing to bet he drinks the one flown on planes from fiji).
In short, it is an idiotic and inconsistent affectation of a hipster.
Couldn't agree more.
What puzzles me most is the need to publicise his latest personal challenges.
Hey! I did that last week. Killed 2 lobsters, they were pretty good too.
Quote from: Ideologue on May 29, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 29, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
At the risk of taking up for Zuckerberg... I think many of us would be uncomfortable killing all the animals we eat; especially those of us that eat meat almost every meal. If he wants to do this exercise on some sort of personal quest to understand food ethics, why not? He is a 20 something billionaire. He has to do something wtih his time, and this is better than having professional video crews put together films of you doing jet ski stunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OYLWHtCDk
The problems are, firstly, that he's not special--the ninety billion dumbest, meanest people who ever lived knew how to kill animals with their own efforts--and secondly, it seems like he's fetishized a disturbing practice in an effort to subvert the obvious moral problem he has with it.
I don't think ninety billion people have ever lived. :hmm:
EDIT: And I would be wrong.
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2011, 12:47:34 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 29, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
At the risk of taking up for Zuckerberg... I think many of us would be uncomfortable killing all the animals we eat; especially those of us that eat meat almost every meal. If he wants to do this exercise on some sort of personal quest to understand food ethics, why not? He is a 20 something billionaire. He has to do something wtih his time, and this is better than having professional video crews put together films of you doing jet ski stunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OYLWHtCDk
He shouldn't do it because it is ridiculously retarded. First of all, he is taking job from people who do this for a living. Second, if he has a problem with eating meat, then slaughtering animals after he whispers sweet nothings to them is hardly the right way to do it. Third, it is creepy.
Besides, this is extremely inconsistent with the way we already operate as a species/culture. If he is doing that, why not also slaughter each animal that becomes his leather jacket, or personally extract the oil for his car by watching the destruction it brings to the local ecosystems (I think he should only drive on petroleum he sponges out of a drenched pelican or something :rolleyes: ). He should only eat eggs from chickens he personally raises (the industrial chicken farms are a nightmare much worse than a slaughter house), and only drink water from a well he personally dug up (I'm willing to bet he drinks the one flown on planes from fiji).
In short, it is an idiotic and inconsistent affectation of a hipster.
First, he isn't taking jobs from anyone. He is almost certainly making the slaughter process less efficient, creating more work.
Second, he is just a really rich 20 something that has no need to work and can do virtually any whims that come to him. So this year he has decided to slaughter his own meat. That is a minor inconveniance, but doesn't interfere with his other ambitions. Doing all the things you mention would. He can do just one or two without changing his lifcestyle too much. This one doesn't hurt anyone. So who cares?
Wait a minute. Martinus is talking about idiotic hipster affectations?
:boggle:
It's better than trying to climb Mt. Everest while your wife is giving birth to your child.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 29, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
At the risk of taking up for Zuckerberg... I think many of us would be uncomfortable killing all the animals we eat; especially those of us that eat meat almost every meal. If he wants to do this exercise on some sort of personal quest to understand food ethics, why not? He is a 20 something billionaire. He has to do something wtih his time, and this is better than having professional video crews put together films of you doing jet ski stunts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7OYLWHtCDk
I don't mind the killing. I don't care so much for butchering. I don't care for the feel of raw meat. I really dislike the sound and feel of cutting through bone and tendons. And the smell of viscera really turns my stomach.
Doesn't matter though. A major part of civilization is paying people to do stuff you can't/don't want to/don't have time to do.
If the guy wants to be an eccentric who cares? I don't know why someone would want to do this, seems like a lot of unnecessary work, but the guy is a billionaire. It's probably not that much different then when local hunters field dress a deer. I know lots of people who've done that.