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Title: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: garbon on May 13, 2011, 04:40:59 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/05/13/2011-05-13_archibishop_timothy_dolan_attempts_to_legalize_samesex_marriage_are_orwellian_so.html

QuoteThe state's top Catholic Friday equated efforts to legalize gay marriage to "Orwellian social engineering."

Archibishop Timothy Dolan on his blog wrote that "history, natural law, the Bible...the religions of the world, human experience, and just plain gumption tells us" marriage is between a man and a woman.

"The definition of marriage is hardwired into our human reason," Dolan wrote.

"To tamper with that definition, or to engage in some Orwellian social engineering about the nature and purpose of marriage, is perilous to all of us."

He asks if the definition is changed to include gays, "could it not in the future be morphed again to include multiple spouses or even family members?"

Government, he wrote, would be better off fixing the school systems than redefining marriage.

"If big, intrusive government can re-define the most basic, accepted, revealed truth that marriage simply means one man+one woman+(hopefully) children, in a loving family, then I'm afraid, Orwell's works will no longer be on the fiction shelf."

Dolan denied his opposition to gay marriage is born out of hatred and discrimination - even going so far as to say those who defend traditional marriage have been targets of harassment.

He said the Church teaches against discrimination and hatred toward gays, specifying that homosexual acts are not in conformity "with God's design."

Dolan's blog post came as gay rights activists work to secure needed votes in the state Senate to legalize same-sex marriage.

Gov. Cuomo has made it a top priority of his legislative agenda.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: jamesww on May 13, 2011, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 13, 2011, 04:40:59 PM


OP worthless without Timmayesque, "That'll teach them", "This doesn't make any sense" " :mad:" etc.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: grumbler on May 13, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
Appealing!  :mad:
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: crazy canuck on May 13, 2011, 04:51:41 PM
Too bad for Bishop Timmay everyone's reason is not hardwired the same way his is.  Fortunate for the rest of us however.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Malthus on May 13, 2011, 04:54:17 PM
I'm embarrased to say what "just plain gumption" tells me.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 13, 2011, 04:57:21 PM

Quote

"The definition of marriage is hardwired into our human reason," Dolan wrote.


No it's not. The desire to fuck as many people as possible as much as possible is.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 13, 2011, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 13, 2011, 04:54:17 PM
I'm embarrased to say what "just plain gumption" tells me.  :Embarrass:

Tell us anyway.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Martinus on May 13, 2011, 05:17:26 PM
Quote"The definition of marriage is hardwired into our human reason," Dolan wrote.

Must have taken some major re-wiring, then, to don a dress and start molesting young boys.

Not to mention, I wonder if anyone ever told Christians that, as things go, worshipping a 30-something dude is pretty fucking gay.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: The Brain on May 13, 2011, 05:31:02 PM
The Catholics have a lot of nerve showing their perverted faces anywhere. Fucking pedophile scum. Nuke them.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: grumbler on May 13, 2011, 06:37:19 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 13, 2011, 05:31:02 PM
The Catholics have a lot of nerve showing their perverted faces anywhere. Fucking pedophile scum. Nuke them.
I like the jib of your cut. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on May 13, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
I missed all that gay sex in 1964... maybe my copy was redacted.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Norgy on May 14, 2011, 03:13:27 AM
QuoteOrwell's works will no longer be on the fiction shelf

Ah, a good book-burning! Haven't had a good fiction BBQ since 1938.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Martinus on May 14, 2011, 03:37:21 AM
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Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Ideologue on May 14, 2011, 04:21:21 AM
I'm don't 100% recall, but I'm pretty sure Ingsoc outlawed fags, right?  I mean, they practically outlawed straight people.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Martinus on May 14, 2011, 05:41:41 AM
I don't think it was touched on in "1984". If it was outlawed, though, Orwell would have probably agreed. He was a rather nasty person in real life.
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Zanza2 on May 14, 2011, 06:11:11 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 13, 2011, 05:17:26 PMNot to mention, I wonder if anyone ever told Christians that, as things go, worshipping a 30-something dude is pretty fucking gay.
They have the woman that got a child out of wedlock from "the holy ghost" for the hetero dudes to worship... :P
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: The Brain on May 14, 2011, 06:14:37 AM
 :huh: Christianity is Marti-gay? I don't see it.

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Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Pat on May 14, 2011, 10:06:07 AM
Orwell as an argument to defend catholic dogma? Orwell fought catholic fascism until he got shot in the throat. :huh:
Title: Re: Attempts to legalize same-sex marriage are 'Orwellian social engineering'
Post by: Faeelin on May 14, 2011, 03:16:07 PM
To be fair, Buffalo can only aspire to Airstrip 1's standard of living.