http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_yellow_pages_ban
Quote"Let your fingers do the walking" could be replaced with "let your finger do the clicking" in San Francisco. It's poised to become the first U.S. city to restrict delivery of Yellow Pages business directories.
The Board of Supervisors cast a 10-1 first vote on Tuesday to ban unrequested home and business delivery of the hefty telephone directories. There will be a second reading and final vote next week.
The idea is to protect the environment, fight neighborhood blight and help the economy. And advocates say the Internet makes the directories unnecessary.
The Los Angeles Times reports nearly 1.6 million Yellow Pages directories are dropped on San Francisco doorsteps each year. The city says they generate 7 million pounds of paper waste and clog recycling equipment, leading to costly repairs.
Ouch...although fair as they serve little purpose for most residents.
Wow, that's a blast from the past.
What will strongmen tear in half now? :(
Quote from: Tyr on May 11, 2011, 11:29:25 AM
What will strongmen tear in half now? :(
A stack of 5 iPads.
I'm by no means a greenie-weenie, but I cringe every time I come home & see where they've delivered an updated phone book on my doorstep. It goes right into the recycle bin.
Quote from: derspiess on May 11, 2011, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: Tyr on May 11, 2011, 11:29:25 AM
What will strongmen tear in half now? :(
A stack of 5 iPads.
I'm by no means a greenie-weenie, but I cringe every time I come home & see where they've delivered an updated phone book on my doorstep. It goes right into the recycle bin.
Yeah, I rarely need a new book. I keep the new phone books and recycle last year's. I look up most phone numbers on the internet.
It's a waste of everything, time, ressources. I still can't believe that the Yellow Pages & the like actually still spend money on printing those thing. I believe even less that people still buy ads in those things.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 11, 2011, 12:05:04 PM
It's a waste of everything, time, ressources. I still can't believe that the Yellow Pages & the like actually still spend money on printing those thing. I believe even less that people still buy ads in those things.
I assume that money is made off the advertisements in the phone books, so that's one incentive to keep printing them.
I think this is one of those things that will require a generation or two to die out before we see the end of it.
Quote from: KRonn on May 11, 2011, 12:07:09 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 11, 2011, 12:05:04 PM
It's a waste of everything, time, ressources. I still can't believe that the Yellow Pages & the like actually still spend money on printing those thing. I believe even less that people still buy ads in those things.
I assume that money is made off the advertisements in the phone books, so that's one incentive to keep printing them.
However, things are getting tight on the ad side. My aunt and cousin until recently were working sell ads in phonebooks. Shit was getting hard.
We got our new phone directory and yellow pages a few weeks back. The directory was 25% smaller and the yellow pages about 50% smaller. Looks like they will die soon without the local council making a fuss.
Good riddance. I worked for a company that printed phone books two years ago, and I can safely say the only way they serve anyone is the way the advertising revenue lines the book company's pocket. Non-phone companies just copy the listings out of telephone company phonebooks, anyway, and it's still "legal" because they're considered a compilation of public records (I was in charge of record-checking for about 8 months- I only stayed for one book once I found out how they handled listings).
I think they stopped delivering phone books to individual households ages ago. Instead, they just make a few copies for each building, and residents can take free copies if they so desire.
Quote from: Monoriu on May 11, 2011, 03:23:11 PM
I think they stopped delivering phone books to individual households ages ago. Instead, they just make a few copies for each building, and residents can take free copies if they so desire.
Oh that's what happens in San Francisco. They would leave a pallet of them in the lobby that would then sit there a few months (with one or two being taken) and then wait to be disposed of by property management.
Quote from: garbon on May 11, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
Oh that's what happens in San Francisco. They would leave a pallet of them in the lobby that would then sit there a few months (with one or two being taken) and then wait to be disposed of by property management.
Check that off for Philly as well. So many show up at S' dorms that she's just started grabbing several and using them as weights for bookmaking projects. :P
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
Why would you need more than one though? When I moved to SF, I took one but when they came around next year, I really didn't need a new one. My local pizza places didn't pop in and out of existence so quickly.
Quote from: garbon on May 11, 2011, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
Why would you need more than one though? When I moved to SF, I took one but when they came around next year, I really didn't need a new one. My local pizza places didn't pop in and out of existence so quickly.
Sheer laziness. I toss the new ones on top of the stack.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
Refrigerator magnets :contract:
Quote from: derspiess on May 11, 2011, 04:12:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
Refrigerator magnets :contract:
My phone books don't fall to the floor.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
They don't bombard you with little menus through the letter box (/in the mail box) over there?
Quote from: Tyr on May 11, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
They don't bombard you with little menus through the letter box (/in the mail box) over there?
They do, but unlike derspiess, Ed has not yet mastered the advanced technology of the fridge magnet.
OTOH he no doubt maintains a proscription list of unsatisfactory pizza joints :contract:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 11, 2011, 05:04:41 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 11, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
They don't bombard you with little menus through the letter box (/in the mail box) over there?
They do, but unlike derspiess, Ed has not yet mastered the advanced technology of the fridge magnet.
OTOH he no doubt maintains a proscription list of unsatisfactory pizza joints :contract:
Domino's head the list. Dominos delenda est.
So the ads lie? Dominoes still sucks? :(:P
Quote from: HVC on May 11, 2011, 05:14:15 PM
So the ads lie? Dominoes still sucks? :(:P
Actually, it is way better than it used to be.
Quote from: garbon on May 11, 2011, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 11, 2011, 05:14:15 PM
So the ads lie? Dominoes still sucks? :(:P
Actually, it is way better than it used to be.
I agree.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
I keep my phone books. When my power was out for 3 days lats winter, I was able to maintain communications with pizza joints.
I only order pizza from one place and their number is easy enough to remember I haven't had to look it up in years: 538-3800
Quote from: garbon on May 11, 2011, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 11, 2011, 05:14:15 PM
So the ads lie? Dominoes still sucks? :(:P
Actually, it is way better than it used to be.
They stopped letting the Noid shit on the pizzas.
Regardless of the need or lack of need for phonebooks in general and the yellow pages in particular, I don't think it's really any of the governments business whether or not they are being distrubuted.
Quote from: garbon on May 11, 2011, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 11, 2011, 05:14:15 PM
So the ads lie? Dominoes still sucks? :(:P
Actually, it is way better than it used to be.
That's cool, but at some point they will need to increase profit margins so will cut back on quality/quantity of ingredients again and it will once again suck. Papa John's goes through cycles like that all the time. In the case of Papa John's, it has to do with whether or not John Schnatter is actively involved in managing the chain. He has repeatedly stepped into and out of an active management role over the years, and when they're in a "Schnatter is hands-on now" phase, quality improves but profits drop. Then the board gets angry, so quality goes back down and Schnatter gets mad and 'retires'. Rinse, repeat.
Papa John's breadsticks suck.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 07:47:24 AM
Papa John's breadsticks suck.
I don't recall if I've ever had them. The last time I had their pizza they seemed to be in a 'good' phase, though. The time before that, circa 2007, they were definitely in a 'bad' phase. :x
Papa John's is my "PBR of pizza" -- I know that its crap & its not my first choice, but if I'm in a position where I need/want to settle for bland, generic, inexpensive mediocrity then that's what I'll go with...
I've got a confession: I like Little Caesar's. Sure, I know it is the pizza equivalent to a can of Spaghetti-o's, But for 5 bucks? can't beat that. Especially now that I am feeding a platoon of kids.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
I've got a confession: I like Little Caesar's. Sure, I know it is the pizza equivalent to a can of Spaghetti-o's, But for 5 bucks? can't beat that. Especially now that I am feeding a platoon of kids.
I might feed Little Ceasar's pizzas to my kids when I have some, but that would be no reason to eat it myself.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
I've got a confession: I like Little Caesar's. Sure, I know it is the pizza equivalent to a can of Spaghetti-o's, But for 5 bucks? can't beat that. Especially now that I am feeding a platoon of kids.
Wow, I haven't seen a Little Caesar's in years. 20 years ago they were all over the place in the Chicago suburbs, but the only reason that I know prior to this thread that Little Caesar's was still in business was from the ads on the boards in Joe Louis Arena...
As for Little Caesar's vs. Pizza Hut vs. Papa John's vs. Domino's vs.
et cetera: its a lot like arguing the merits of Pabst vs. Schlitz vs. High Life vs. Hamms vs.
et cetera -- you're going that route for generally the same reasons, its just more a matter of Personal Taste...
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 12, 2011, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
I've got a confession: I like Little Caesar's. Sure, I know it is the pizza equivalent to a can of Spaghetti-o's, But for 5 bucks? can't beat that. Especially now that I am feeding a platoon of kids.
Wow, I haven't seen a Little Caesar's in years. 20 years ago they were all over the place in the Chicago suburbs, but the only reason that I know prior to this thread that Little Caesar's was still in business was from the ads on the boards in Joe Louis Arena...
As for Little Caesar's vs. Pizza Hut vs. Papa John's vs. Domino's vs. et cetera: its a lot like arguing the merits of Pabst vs. Schlitz vs. High Life vs. Hamms vs. et cetera -- you're going that route for generally the same reasons, its just more a matter of Personal Taste...
Let us agree that we all hate Vegan's and their godawful pizza.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 08:19:56 AM
Let us agree that we all hate Vegan's and their godawful pizza.
:hug:
Quote from: Caliga on May 12, 2011, 07:45:07 AM
That's cool, but at some point they will need to increase profit margins so will cut back on quality/quantity of ingredients again and it will once again suck. Papa John's goes through cycles like that all the time. In the case of Papa John's, it has to do with whether or not John Schnatter is actively involved in managing the chain. He has repeatedly stepped into and out of an active management role over the years, and when they're in a "Schnatter is hands-on now" phase, quality improves but profits drop. Then the board gets angry, so quality goes back down and Schnatter gets mad and 'retires'. Rinse, repeat.
I've never experienced Papa John's during a "good cycle."
At $10 for two mediums, Domino's is a good deal in New York - as opposed to many of the many small outfits here that want to charge 5 bucks for a slice where the pepperoni was placed on the pizza after it was cooked. <_<
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
I've got a confession: I like Little Caesar's. Sure, I know it is the pizza equivalent to a can of Spaghetti-o's, But for 5 bucks? can't beat that. Especially now that I am feeding a platoon of kids.
Hell yeah. Came in really handy when I realized the wife hadn't gotten any food other than cake & potato chips for my kid's birthday party.
And I like Spaghetti-O's as well :ph34r:
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 12, 2011, 08:17:08 AM
Wow, I haven't seen a Little Caesar's in years. 20 years ago they were all over the place in the Chicago suburbs, but the only reason that I know prior to this thread that Little Caesar's was still in business was from the ads on the boards in Joe Louis Arena...
I can remember all the locations going out of business in Huntington, WV in the early 90s. The only locations that remained were in KMart stores. We had one in Delaware that was hard to get to, but worth the trip when I wanted a change of pace.
When I moved to Cincinnati in 2002 there were no locations, but once they figured out how to sell $5 large pepperoni pizzas on demand and make money off them, they started popping up all over the place.
QuoteAs for Little Caesar's vs. Pizza Hut vs. Papa John's vs. Domino's vs. et cetera: its a lot like arguing the merits of Pabst vs. Schlitz vs. High Life vs. Hamms vs. et cetera -- you're going that route for generally the same reasons, its just more a matter of Personal Taste...
I guess you were lucky enough to grow up in a place with good local pizza. I can remember back when all we had was a local chain called Gino's (http://www.ginospizza.com/) and it was terrible. Still is-- dunno how they are still in business. We did have one Pizza Hut location, so for us Pizza Hut was top notch-- if we got to go there for pizza it was like the highlight of my week.
In the early 80s, Domino's opened a couple locations, and that became the best pizza in town (and was actually fairly expensive at first IIRC). Then Little Caesar's hit the scene in the mid/late 80s and supplanted Dominos. The pizza tasted much better (particularly their pan pizza) and their "buy one get one free" gimmick was a huge draw as well. And then in the early 90s we got Papa John's, which quickly became top dog with their own gimmick (garlic butter dip for your crust).
Nowadays in Cincy, if I'm getting pizza just for myself & Tommy I'll pick up a Little Caesar's. But if the wife wants pizza we always have to order Donatos, which is guess is a regional chain now, or a local gourmet-ish pizza place called Dewey's.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 09:39:50 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 12, 2011, 09:09:10 AM
And I like Spaghetti-O's as well :ph34r:
:yuk:
That's the wife's reaction (any kind of pasta from a can would be considered a sin in Argentina). But for me it's one of those things from my childhood I just never lost the taste for.
Spicy, you ever try Marco's? It isn't bad for being a regional chain.
I don't even know if Cassano's is still in Cincy. Still a pretty good small chain.
Quote from: Caliga on May 12, 2011, 08:02:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 07:47:24 AM
Papa John's breadsticks suck.
I don't recall if I've ever had them. The last time I had their pizza they seemed to be in a 'good' phase, though. The time before that, circa 2007, they were definitely in a 'bad' phase. :x
Their breadsticks are bland & boring. But their cheese breadsticks (or whatever they call them-- they are basically a small pizza with cheese only & no sauce) are pretty good.
Quote from: derspiess on May 12, 2011, 09:44:18 AM
I guess you were lucky enough to grow up in a place with good local pizza. I can remember back when all we had was a local chain called Gino's (http://www.ginospizza.com/) and it was terrible. Still is-- dunno how they are still in business. We did have one Pizza Hut location, so for us Pizza Hut was top notch-- if we got to go there for pizza it was like the highlight of my week.
Gino's actually wasn't too bad up until about the time that I was a senior in college, and they were cheap, too. IIRC, you could get a large pizza with about 3 toppings for like $2.25 in the early 80's, and even adjusting for inflation, that was a good deal. But sometime when I was a senior, not only did the quality go way down, the price jumped up at the same time.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 12, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
I've got a confession: I like Little Caesar's. Sure, I know it is the pizza equivalent to a can of Spaghetti-o's, But for 5 bucks? can't beat that. Especially now that I am feeding a platoon of kids.
Princesca picked up a mushroom pie from Little Caesar's last week for some reason, and I had leftovers of it the next day. It was better than I remember it being. :hmm:
Spiess, I had Donato's once when I was up in Cinci on business. :thumbsup:
We have a pretty good local chain here called BoomBozz, but Princesca hates it so we never go there (they have hippie pizza, stuff like pizza with sliced taters and spinach in a white sauce, etc.) We also have another good local chain called Wick's, but you better really, really, really like cheese if you're gonna eat their pizza, because they put a mountain of cheese on top.
There's a Little Caesar's Express 5 minutes from my house. I hadn't had LC for years and years, but one day during the move we had no food so we picked up a pizza.
I mean I guess the price and timeliness was good, but really I've had better frozen pizza.
In WH we would go to the fancy Italian restaurant to get a pizza - really expensive at $28, but worth it. I have to find a place like that here...
I think our average family pizza consumption over the past couple of years has been about:
45% homemade
35% local Mom & Pop pizza place (that my wife works at)
15% cheap-ass frozen pizzas (usually Jack's)
4% Papa John's
1% Pizza Hut (all for my oldest daughter - she had a reading program in school last year where they gave her coupons for free personal pan pizzas for reading X-amount)
Also worth noting that over the Winter the homemade pizza skyrockets (say twice a month or so), but when the weather heats up we tend to order out to keep the oven from fighting with the air conditioning...
:ccr
All this discussion about pizza chains is making my throat hurt, from all the vomit passing through it. :yuk:
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
All this discussion about pizza chains is making my throat hurt, from all the vomit passing through it. :yuk:
Yeah but it was already established that you know nothing about pizza.
With the weather heating up nicely I have a hankering to tried grilled pizza again. :mmm:
I can and do a lot of grilling in the winter, but I think trying to grill pizza in sub zero temperatures would be a mess.
Quote from: garbon on May 12, 2011, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
All this discussion about pizza chains is making my throat hurt, from all the vomit passing through it. :yuk:
Yeah but it was already established that you know nothing about pizza.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 12:23:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 12, 2011, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 12, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
All this discussion about pizza chains is making my throat hurt, from all the vomit passing through it. :yuk:
Yeah but it was already established that you know nothing about pizza.
:rolleyes:
Sorry but those are the facts. :console:
Some dude living in Jersey right outside of NYC damn well better know something about pizza. :mad:
He's too busy eating an acre-foot of blueberries a day.
I'm keeping all my future near-death/death experiences private. :mad:
Looks like SF also gave up on selling US brand autos.
Quote
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/05/12/buy-american-cars-san-francisco/
Buy American Cars? Not in San Francisco
U.S. automakers are having a banner year in 2011. Sales are up and so are profits. And they're doing it without much help from the city of San Francisco.
On April 29, the last domestic car dealership within city limits, San Francisco Ford Lincoln, closed its showroom doors and began winding down its repair and service operations, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. Business had fallen off so much over the past few years that Ford Motor Co. itself had taken over the operation from its previous owner, but even support from the mother ship couldn't keep it afloat.
Foreign automakers, including BMW, Honda, Scion and Smart, all continue to run what appear to be thriving dealerships in the area, as San Franciscans increasingly pledge their allegiance to import brands. Even the site of the last General Motors dealership to shut down in the city -- Ellis Brooks Chevrolet – is soon to be the home of a new mega-showroom for Nissan/Infiniti.
San Francisco's tight streets, high parking rates and expensive gasoline don't lend themselves well to the kind of large vehicles that make up the bulk of sales for the Big Three, so the appeal of smaller imports is not surprising. Still, the departure of the American brands comes at a time when Ford, GM and Chrysler are in the process of reinventing themselves with more of the compact, fuel-efficient offerings that are popular in dense urban centers.
Quote from: Barrister on May 12, 2011, 12:05:39 PM
There's a Little Caesar's Express 5 minutes from my house. I hadn't had LC for years and years, but one day during the move we had no food so we picked up a pizza.
I mean I guess the price and timeliness was good, but really I've had better frozen pizza.
In WH we would go to the fancy Italian restaurant to get a pizza - really expensive at $28, but worth it. I have to find a place like that here...
I usually just go for Pizza 73 or Boston Pizza.
I like Papa John's. They put a lot of garlic on the Pizza. I love garlic.