http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20110428-34685.html
QuoteAnti-Semitic flyer found on The Left website
Prosecutors on Thursday said they were investigating an anti-Semitic leaflet which was found on the website of a regional Ruhr Valley chapter of Germany's socialist party The Left.
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Duisburg District Attorney Rolf Haferkamp said authorities were probing the possible criminal use of unconstitutional symbols. Germany has strong hate-speech laws which generally forbid anti-Semitic literature or the use of swastikas in propaganda.
The document, which The Left party has since has disavowed, was discovered on the homepage of the party's Duisburg branch this week. It featured a Jewish star of David with a swastika inside of it. The leaflet denied the holocaust, called for a boycott on Israeli goods and vilified Israel as a "true rogue state with warmongers."
Hans-Werner Rook, spokesman for The Left, said he didn't know how the leaflet got on the website and said party officials were searching for its author. The link was taken down as soon it was discovered.
"We are totally outraged. That's all far-right radical nonsense," said Rook, speculating that an extremist mole burrowed himself into the party and posted the flyer onto the website.
The pamphlet was first reported on by regional blog Ruhrbarone, which said it had apparently been available for download for years.
The Left's Duisburg chapter has a history of causing a stir with its strident views on Israel. In 2009, the party's mayoral candidate resigned after he supported a boycott of the country.
There is no anti-Semitism in Europe!
Quote from: Scipio on April 28, 2011, 08:40:34 AM
There is no anti-Semitism in Europe!
We have always been at war with Eastasia!
I want one of those nazi cakes. And have a Hitler melon with it.
The Powers That Be are REALLY scared of the social consequences of giving bailouts to everbody and the inevitable bankruptcy of their systems.
Trying to attach a 'Nazi' label to the 'Die Linke' is the same as saying that Ron Paul is a fierce advocate of a strong federal government.
Pathetic display of incompetence by the Secret Service.
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 28, 2011, 09:37:46 AM
The Powers That Be are REALLY scared of the social consequences of giving bailouts to everbody and the inevitable bankruptcy of their systems.
Trying to attach a 'Nazi' label to the 'Die Linke' is the same as saying that Ron Paul is a fierce advocate of a strong federal government.
Pathetic display of incompetence by the Secret Service.
We can only hope that the people see through the lies of the Secret Service and vote in a government that will give them more free money.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 28, 2011, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 28, 2011, 09:37:46 AM
The Powers That Be are REALLY scared of the social consequences of giving bailouts to everbody and the inevitable bankruptcy of their systems.
Trying to attach a 'Nazi' label to the 'Die Linke' is the same as saying that Ron Paul is a fierce advocate of a strong federal government.
Pathetic display of incompetence by the Secret Service.
We can only hope that the people see through the lies of the Secret Service and vote in a government that will give them more free money.
It just occurred to me that we need "Like" buttons here, a la Facebook.
Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
It just occurred to me that we need "Like" buttons here, a la Facebook.
Are you coming on to me?
Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 28, 2011, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 28, 2011, 09:37:46 AM
The Powers That Be are REALLY scared of the social consequences of giving bailouts to everbody and the inevitable bankruptcy of their systems.
Trying to attach a 'Nazi' label to the 'Die Linke' is the same as saying that Ron Paul is a fierce advocate of a strong federal government.
Pathetic display of incompetence by the Secret Service.
We can only hope that the people see through the lies of the Secret Service and vote in a government that will give them more free money.
It just occurred to me that we need "Like" buttons here, a la Facebook.
Ed Anger hates this post.
So the German socialists are apparently one guy whose statements were disavowed and isn't even a member of the SPD but some other group?
Quote from: Faeelin on April 28, 2011, 10:08:35 AM
So the German socialists are apparently one guy whose statements were disavowed and isn't even a member of the SPD but some other group?
The Socialists that Syt mentions are real Socialists, not fake ones.
The 'Die Linke' Party is not the Social-democratic SPD, but a fusion between the PDS - the Party that succeeded the SED, the Communist Party of East Germany - and the Left wing of the SPD (which split from the SPD, as it realized that that Party had become part of a 'fake' Left).
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 28, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
The 'Die Linke' Party is not the Social-democratic SPD, but a fusion between the PDS - the Party that succeeded the SED, the Communist Party of East Germany - and the Left wing of the SPD (which split from the SPD, as it realized that that Party had become part of a 'fake' Left).
On the theory that all the clowns should be put into the same circus.
The German far-left has a history of being anti-Israel, mostly in the guise of being pro-Palestinian. Right after the war, they were strongly pro-Isreal and the non-radical left still is in general. But the radicals changed their mind during the riots of 1967-68 and the anti-Israel sentiment was at its strongest in the 1970s. Not sure if it makes sense to distinguish between anti-Israel and anti-semitism here though, but what you hear from the radical left always aims at Israel, not at all Jews from what I can tell.
My favourite ultra-leftists are those wacky Japanese Red Army ones - they killed each other, saving much trouble and expense. :D
Don't you get summarily executed in Germany for denying Holocaust? Oh, right, I forgot, no death penalty in Europe.
Quote from: Zanza2 on April 28, 2011, 10:56:24 AM
The German far-left has a history of being anti-Israel, mostly in the guise of being pro-Palestinian. Right after the war, they were strongly pro-Isreal and the non-radical left still is in general. But the radicals changed their mind during the riots of 1967-68 and the anti-Israel sentiment was at its strongest in the 1970s. Not sure if it makes sense to distinguish between anti-Israel and anti-semitism here though, but what you hear from the radical left always aims at Israel, not at all Jews from what I can tell.
That's what I was thinking and why I got a chuckle from this statement:
Quote"We are totally outraged. That's all far-right radical nonsense," said Rook, speculating that an extremist mole burrowed himself into the party and posted the flyer onto the website.
Well I dont know for certain about the rest of the western european countries but it seems to me that most of the anti Israel/semitic drivel that gets portioned out comes from the left these days. The new wave of populist rightwing parties that have risen are usually pro-israel. So in essence this doesnt come as a huge surprise seeing as I see a lot of the same stuff over here.
Quote from: citizen k on April 28, 2011, 12:53:30 PM
Quote"We are totally outraged. That's all far-right radical nonsense," said Rook, speculating that an extremist mole burrowed himself into the party and posted the flyer onto the website.
It was "The Mossad"/"The CIA"/"The Neo-Nazis" etc. I despise those who resort to conspiracy theoryism.
When I saw the thread title, I thought ah crap. But then it turned out to be Die Linke. Those guys can diaf.
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 28, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
The Socialists that Syt mentions are real Socialists, not fake ones.
The 'Die Linke' Party is not the Social-democratic SPD, but a fusion between the PDS - the Party that succeeded the SED, the Communist Party of East Germany - and the Left wing of the SPD (which split from the SPD, as it realized that that Party had become part of a 'fake' Left).
I love the smell of the "No True Scotsman" argument in the morning...
Quote from: grumbler on April 28, 2011, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 28, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
The Socialists that Syt mentions are real Socialists, not fake ones.
The 'Die Linke' Party is not the Social-democratic SPD, but a fusion between the PDS - the Party that succeeded the SED, the Communist Party of East Germany - and the Left wing of the SPD (which split from the SPD, as it realized that that Party had become part of a 'fake' Left).
I love the smell of the "No True Scotsman" argument in the morning...
Morning? Do you teach a graveyard shift or something?
I wonder if Pat and Martim are the same person.
The extreme left deals in theory and make-believe as if it were reality. Although it's indisputable that the circumstances surrounding the founding of Israel reflect extremely badly on the Jews and sympathizers that founded it, it's not 1946 anymore. What's happened has happened, and simply eliminating Israel isn't an option, nor would it be desirable even if it were.
I know a German who's grandfather died during the holocaust.
He fell from the guard tower.
Alot of Germans were killed as part of the Holocaust, dude. Seriously.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 28, 2011, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
It just occurred to me that we need "Like" buttons here, a la Facebook.
Are you coming on to me?
Well his wife is out of action....
Quote from: DGuller on April 28, 2011, 06:16:14 PM
Morning? Do you teach a graveyard shift or something?
I tried to teach a graveyard shift, but you can't teach it much, so I stopped. Do
you teach a graveyard shift?
Quote from: Siege on April 28, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
I know a German who's grandfather died during the holocaust.
He fell from the guard tower.
Well, I've seen that joke botched as badly as this, but never worse.
I still laughed.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 28, 2011, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
It just occurred to me that we need "Like" buttons here, a la Facebook.
Are you coming on to me?
Well, I was talking about posts, but if there was an Admiral Yi Facebook-type group as well, then yeah, I guess I'd "Like" that as well :hug:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
I still laughed.
I wanted to, but I've heard that joke too many times. Plus he did botch it pretty badly.
Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
I still laughed.
I wanted to, but I've heard that joke too many times. Plus he did botch it pretty badly.
Did I? How come?
Come on, somebody tell me the original joke.
It can't be that diferent.
Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
I still laughed.
I wanted to, but I've heard that joke too many times. Plus he did botch it pretty badly.
Besides, didn't ther fact that it came fromn drunked me added to the fun?
You suck at fun.
Quote from: Caliga on April 28, 2011, 08:24:12 PM
Alot of Germans were killed as part of the Holocaust, dude. Seriously.
Yep. Clearing out the Warsaw Ghetto was suprisingly dangerous.
Quote from: Siege on April 28, 2011, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
I still laughed.
I wanted to, but I've heard that joke too many times. Plus he did botch it pretty badly.
Besides, didn't ther fact that it came fromn drunked me added to the fun?
You suck at fun.
Ok, you've had enough, finish the rest of that Coors Light can some other time.
Quote from: Valmy on April 28, 2011, 09:57:44 PM
Yep. Clearing out the Warsaw Ghetto was suprisingly dangerous.
:sleep:
Quote from: DGuller on April 28, 2011, 10:03:34 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 28, 2011, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
I still laughed.
I wanted to, but I've heard that joke too many times. Plus he did botch it pretty badly.
Besides, didn't ther fact that it came fromn drunked me added to the fun?
You suck at fun.
Ok, you've had enough, finish the rest of that Coors Light can some other time.
I drink Miller Lite these days.
Yikes, you're not supposed to drink that stuff. :o That explains it.
To me, Die Linke is much more likely to resort to DDR/Stasiland revisionism. Perhaps the Germans here remember an appeal by one of its members to have a new Stasi to fight the reactionaries or something like that.
The flame of hope is only dimmed, it's not entirely quashed. :hmm: