Quote(CNN) – The White House released President Obama's original birth certificate Wednesday.
The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.
Obama's birth certificate [PDF]
White House spokesman Jay Carney is expected to speak more about the birth certificate Wednesday morning.
In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday, Trump repeated his doubts and said he had been told the certificate was "missing."
A new CNN investigation revealed earlier this week what most analysts have been saying since the "birther" controversy erupted during the 2008 presidential campaign: Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.
While the president has made light of the controversy, the question remained political red meat for some of his critics. A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll showed that nearly 75% of Americans believe Obama was definitely or probably born in the United States. More than four in 10 Republicans, however, believe he probably or definitely was not born in America.
The U.S. Constitution says only "natural born" citizens can become president - a vague clause that some members of the birther movement contend disqualifies Obama because, they insist, he was born outside the United States.
Skeptics contend, among other things, that Obama was born in his father's home country of Kenya.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/04/27/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
Not that it will make any difference.
It's absolutely shameful that its come to this. :(
I doubt it will satisfy them. The new Birth Certificate doesn't look any different from the other one.
I liked Obama's press conference where he hammered Trump and his ilk.
You think he'd wait until after the primaries, to make sure the craziest Republican wins.
Quote from: Kleves on April 27, 2011, 09:01:22 AM
I liked Obama's press conference where he hammered Trump and his ilk.
Spotted this on espns twitter section.
Quote@wingoz at this point i think it's only fair that Trump give us some proof that his hair is real
Quote from: Razgovory on April 27, 2011, 08:57:59 AM
I doubt it will satisfy them.
It won't. The birther movement is faith-based, like the Tea Party. Facts don't matter to people like this. I am interested in what mental gymnastics come next, though, to continue the "controversy". I guess the obvious one will be "LOOOOL ITS A FAKE!!!1111"
This will feed the fringies, the conspiracy types. They'll find something else to latch on to. Maybe like the birth certificate is a forgery, put out by the Obama-Haliburton forgery machine. Or a conspiracy that started at Pres Obama's birth. But this will satisfy those who didn't know what was going on, weren't following, since I thought this was cleared up long ago. Obama's Cert of Live Birth has been out and that's official proof anyway.
Quote from: Caliga on April 27, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
It won't. The birther movement is faith-based, like the Tea Party. Facts don't matter to people like this. I am interested in what mental gymnastics come next, though, to continue the "controversy". I guess the obvious one will be "LOOOOL ITS A FAKE!!!1111"
Surely it will satisfy some of them. Those in the movement naive enough to think it is legitimate.
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2011, 10:14:25 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 27, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
It won't. The birther movement is faith-based, like the Tea Party. Facts don't matter to people like this. I am interested in what mental gymnastics come next, though, to continue the "controversy". I guess the obvious one will be "LOOOOL ITS A FAKE!!!1111"
Surely it will satisfy some of them. Those in the movement naive enough to think it is legitimate.
Doubt it. It's not really about Obama being citizen.
They actually flew a lawyer to Hawaii to get it. What the fuck they have no fax machines in Hawaii? A scanner maybe?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 27, 2011, 08:53:49 AM
It's absolutely shameful that its come to this. :(
That's what the birthers thought on November 5, 2008.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 27, 2011, 10:29:39 AM
Doubt it. It's not really about Obama being citizen.
Well right but surely there are few suckers who are fooled into thinking it is.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 27, 2011, 08:53:49 AM
It's absolutely shameful that its come to this. :(
:huh:
What exactly has it come to? Public officials and candidates releasing personal records isn't exactly unheard of.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 27, 2011, 11:06:51 AM
[What exactly has it come to? Public officials and candidates releasing personal records isn't exactly unheard of.
So do you think it is shameful that a significant number of Americans do not believe that the President was born in Hawaii?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 27, 2011, 10:33:30 AM
They actually flew a lawyer to Hawaii to get it. What the fuck they have no fax machines in Hawaii? A scanner maybe?
Or lawyers!
Neither shameful(on either a meta or personal level) nor a recent development. I suppose Trump should be ashamed, but he has none.
Quote from: Faeelin on April 27, 2011, 11:32:08 AM
So do you think it is shameful that a significant number of Americans do not believe that the President was born in Hawaii?
I am far more shamed that a significant number of Americans have a problem with him being half African.
Though it was pretty hilariously sad that letter that guy sent to Hans claiming that God creates Americans and the pen of man cannot create real Americans or something.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 27, 2011, 11:38:32 AM
Neither shameful(on either a meta or personal level) nor a recent development. I suppose Trump should be ashamed, but he has none.
This should help make Trump look even more like a blithering idiot. The info about the Certificate of Live Birth, has been public for a long time. Wasn't an issue.
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2011, 11:38:42 AM
Though it was pretty hilariously sad that letter that guy sent to Hans claiming that God creates Americans and the pen of man cannot create real Americans or something.
That guy was completely crazy, man. I hope Hans took my advice and ignored his email.
Now The Donald has switched immediately to talking about gas prices. This guy isn't going to let up until he is forced to drop out of the primary. Obama should have just let him keep talking about the birth certificate.
Quote from: Caliga on April 27, 2011, 11:48:24 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2011, 11:38:42 AM
Though it was pretty hilariously sad that letter that guy sent to Hans claiming that God creates Americans and the pen of man cannot create real Americans or something.
That guy was completely crazy, man. I hope Hans took my advice and ignored his email.
YOUR advice? Honey, the whole of Languish came out in favor of that option.
Quote from: The Brain on April 27, 2011, 12:08:25 PM
YOUR advice? Honey, the whole of Languish came out in favor of that option.
I didn't say it was ONLY my advice. But it was my advice nonetheless. :)
pff
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/27/trump_to_obama_now_release_your_college_records.html
:rolleyes:
It has layers! http://wireupdate.com/video/2011/04/president-obamas-birth-certificate-pdf-has-layers/ (http://wireupdate.com/video/2011/04/president-obamas-birth-certificate-pdf-has-layers/).
Conspiracy! Gasp!
Quote from: Spooky on April 27, 2011, 01:29:44 PM
It has layers! http://wireupdate.com/video/2011/04/president-obamas-birth-certificate-pdf-has-layers/ (http://wireupdate.com/video/2011/04/president-obamas-birth-certificate-pdf-has-layers/).
Conspiracy! Gasp!
This isn't loading for me, but I found a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVIei87oFo
Oh noes! He must be a muslim!
Why
would it have layers like that though? Just scans that way for some reason? Fucking with the nutjobs? While I assume it's just something the program does when it gets scanned in, I would really like for it to be option 2.
Great article here:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/trump-unable-to-produce-certificate-proving-hes-no,20250/
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 27, 2011, 12:29:49 PM
pff
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/27/trump_to_obama_now_release_your_college_records.html
:rolleyes:
Well, I didn't expect it to go in that direction.
Quote from: JacobL on April 27, 2011, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: Kleves on April 27, 2011, 09:01:22 AM
I liked Obama's press conference where he hammered Trump and his ilk.
Spotted this on espns twitter section.
Quote@wingoz at this point i think it's only fair that Trump give us some proof that his hair is real
Liked this one too:
Quote@russakoffrules Lee Russakoff
I hope Obama goes Heel. I hope he rips off his suit at presser, reveals a burqua and forms nWo with Ghadaffi, Kevin Nash & Randy Savage
Will Bobby the Brain Heenan be the manager?
The layers thing isn't exactly a smoking gun. It looks like it just detected "text" and moved it to another layer- note there's no pattern under the text layer. OCR fail.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 05:50:43 PM
Will Bobby the Brain Heenan be the manager?
Will have to be, since Elizabeth is dead. :(
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 27, 2011, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 05:50:43 PM
Will Bobby the Brain Heenan be the manager?
Will have to be, since Elizabeth is dead. :(
Will the four horsemen do a run in?
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 27, 2011, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 05:50:43 PM
Will Bobby the Brain Heenan be the manager?
Will have to be, since Elizabeth is dead. :(
Will the four horsemen do a run in?
Maybe the Birdman Koko B Ware waving his parrot from the top of the ropes. Followed by the Ultimate Warrior and his tassel extravaganza.
And just for Slargos, Kampala the Ugandan Giant.
I stooped so low as to actually watch Trump's 'speech' about this yesterday.
His campaign is either a publicity stunt to push his reality show, or he's being paid by some other candidate to muckrake so they can avoid the damage from doing it themselves. :wacko:
Quote from: Caliga on April 28, 2011, 07:06:15 AM
I stooped so low as to actually watch Trump's 'speech' about this yesterday.
His campaign is either a publicity stunt to push his reality show, or he's being paid by some other candidate to muckrake so they can avoid the damage from doing it themselves. :wacko:
Vince McMahon is behind it all.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 27, 2011, 01:39:55 PM
Why would it have layers like that though? Just scans that way for some reason? Fucking with the nutjobs? While I assume it's just something the program does when it gets scanned in, I would really like for it to be option 2.
It has laers like that because all images converted to .PDF and then back to Illustrator images have layers like that. It is an artifact of the way the scanned image is converted to Adobe Acrobat documents and converted back. The layers are garbage. See the update to the original NRO piece: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 27, 2011, 12:02:47 PM
Now The Donald has switched immediately to talking about gas prices. This guy isn't going to let up until he is forced to drop out of the primary. Obama should have just let him keep talking about the birth certificate.
Yeah, the birther thing was a distraction from the real issues, but now The Donald is free to leave that and move on to other issues. But he was already doing that anyway, so no biggie. I see Trump as even more of a chump, dragging this stuff around when there are real issues. But he got the President to respond. :huh:
I don't know who looks worse now, Trump for trolling this, or Obama for giving in to the Troll. :hmm: The cert of live birth was settled long ago; the more fringie types kept bringing it up. No wait, Trump looks much worse, still does. That doesn't change.
I wonder if though, if this was gaining so much traction or something maybe? So Obama decided to show the birth certificate, along with the cert of live birth already out there?
Well, I can tell you that the former mayor of our fine city was a Birther... and lost the election because of it. There have been Tea Party rallies here where they trumpet that Obama is not an American citizen, is not a Christian as he claims, and is going to be the ruin of our nation. The mayor has been at each of them as a guest speaker.
I'll go with the whole birther thing has been snowballing and Obama finally decided to put the damn thing down.
I read an article, in CSM I think, that speculated that Obama was feeding Trump as a strategic move.
Granola Liberal "acquaintances" on facebook were crying yesterday about how racist this all is and making a big fuss. Their tears were delicious. ^_^
Here it is.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2011/0427/Birth-certificate-released-Did-Donald-Trump-just-school-President-Obama (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2011/0427/Birth-certificate-released-Did-Donald-Trump-just-school-President-Obama)
Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2011, 09:01:13 AM
Granola Liberal "acquaintances" on facebook were crying yesterday about how racist this all is and making a big fuss. Their tears were delicious. ^_^
Seriously? The whining and outrage of political types is a constant, boring, and predictable daily happening.
Quote
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/27/gergen.obama.marginalization/index.html
The marginalization of a president: Will it end with Obama?
Editor's note: David Gergen is a senior political analyst for CNN and has been an adviser to four U.S. presidents. He is a professor of public service and director of the Center for Public Leadership at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. Mike Zuckerman is a research assistant for Gergen. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard College in 2010.
(CNN) -- Once again, our country seems to be mired in a tired, frustrating conversation about President Obama's citizenship. Seems like we've been down this road before.
This time, the prime (and prime time) culprit is Donald Trump. He has seen his poll numbers rise and played the American public by latching on to the absolutely bogus myth that the 44th president of the United States may not have been born in the USA. And by doing so, he's just the latest in a string of presidential conspiracy theorists.
In fact, ever since then-Sen. Obama burst onto the scene, there have been efforts to delegitimize him in the eyes of the public. We have heard suggestions that he was born everywhere, from here to (just east of) Timbuktu. We have heard Obama called a "secret Muslim" and a radical Christian. We have heard that he "pals around with terrorists" and that he's a closeted socialist with deep-seated anti-colonial rage bent on taking down the United States of America from within. So it's not hard to understand why the satirical newspaper The Onion joked that a sizeable minority of Americans are now fearful that the president is, in fact, "a cactus."
Today, President Obama put it to rest. Or at least he tried to.
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He asked his lawyers to persuade the Hawaii Department of Health to bend their rules and release his long-form birth certificate, a document that ended up having about as much scandalous copy as the back of a box of Girl Scout cookies.
But no sooner did the president release his birth certificate than the leading lights of the "birther movement" lined up to take shots at their next target. Now they're questioning Obama's Social Security number, the use of his grandparents' address in his birth announcement, and the identification of his father's race as "African" on the birth certificate. They even wonder, out loud, about his undergraduate grade point average at Occidental College. When he was 19. (For the record, Obama went on to Columbia University and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School.)
Will this "sideshow" -- to use the president's term -- ever end? History, unfortunately, isn't on his side.
Why Obama is not first 'imposter' president and won't be the last
This pattern of vilifying one's political opponents is as old as the republic itself. John Adams, for example, our second president and by all accounts a decent and patriotic man, several times called our first Treasury secretary, Alexander Hamilton, who had been born out of wedlock, "the bastard brat of a Scotch peddler."
As CNN's John Blake noted last year, President Rutherford B. Hayes was regularly referred to as "His Fraudulency" after winning the presidency in the disputed election of 1876. And all this fuss about Obama's birth certificate bears a striking resemblance to what happened to another black U.S. politician.
As The Atlantic's Garrett Epps points out -- drawing on the research of legal scholar and law professor Richard Primus -- America's first black U.S. senator, Hiram Revels, had his swearing-in delayed for several days because Democrats in the chamber said he had not yet been "nine years a citizen of the United States," as required by Article II of the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment -- the one that guaranteed citizenship to black Americans -- had only been ratified two years earlier, in 1868.
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Despite this long tradition of trying to delegitimize a leader through personal attacks, these accusations reached a more frenzied pitch in the last few decades. President Lyndon Johnson was dogged by conspiracy theories that he played a role in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, accusations that made it all the way onto Oliver Stone's movie screens in the '90s.
While President Bill Clinton was in office, we heard crackpot theories ranging from airplanes loaded with cocaine on the tarmac in Mena, Arkansas, to the unending cries of foul play regarding Clinton confidante Vince Foster's 1993 suicide (a 1995 Time-CNN poll, conducted during the Senate hearings into the matter, found that only 35% of adults were convinced it was a suicide).
And who could forget the claims that President George W. Bush allowed -- or even ordered -- the 9/11 attacks? Ross Douthat noted last year that a third of Democrats, as late as 2007, still believed Bush had prior knowledge of the plot. Incredible.
11 political myths and conspiracy theories
It is often easier to attack a person's character than it is to fight it out on the merits of his or her policies. And, as we've already seen, even with Obama's long-form birth certificate in the open, more questions will arise. But they aren't the questions we should be asking. The questions we should be asking are the tough questions: How do we create more jobs in America? How do we seize control of our spiraling deficits? How do we remain competitive as a nation in the century ahead? The conspiracy questions might be easier to ask, and they might score points for the people who ask them, but they don't score points for this republic.
Like plenty of conspiracy theorists before them, the birthers have had their day in court. President Obama called their bluff and showed his cards, producing the documentation they requested. And so here it is.
Now it is time for us to turn our attention back to the real questions that need answers. It's time to move on.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of David Gergen and Mike Zuckerman.
Quote from: Valmy on April 28, 2011, 09:20:21 AM
Seriously? The whining and outrage of political types is a constant, boring, and predictable daily happening.
Yes. Like you I generally don't pay attention but was curious how they were linking Trump to being a klansmen over this. I also wonder why I am still a "friend" of these individuals.
It is false.
Fake. Clear signs of photoshopping. And Oahu? Clearly not a real place.
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What happens with quadruplets? Only goes up to triplets on the form.
And wow was his mam young
He is demoncrat.
They always lie.
What if they say they are lying?
Quote from: PDH on April 28, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
What if they say they are lying?
They would never say that, because it would be the truth... and they always lie, as Siege so patiently explained to you. :smarty:
I get it, those crafty bastards. No wonder they control both houses of congress and the Illuminati!
I will vote for Trump.
Anything to get him to stop putting up more vulgar, crappy buildings in NYC.
Quote from: PDH on April 28, 2011, 08:26:48 PM
I get it, those crafty bastards. No wonder they control both houses of congress and the Illuminati!
Those that call themselves Republicans are just democrats lying about themselves. Those Democrats who call themselves Democrats
cannot, by definition, be Democrats.
:lol:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/28/sen-rand-paul-questions-donald-trumps-republican-registration/
QuoteSenator Rand Paul (R-KY) mocked real estate mogul Donald Trump on Thursday, doubting his GOP credentials after Trump doubted President Obama's birthplace.
"I want to see the original long form certificate, with embossed seal, of Donald Trump's Republican registration," he told a crowd at the Merrimack County Republican Committee breakfast fundraiser in New Hampshire.
His father, Texas Rep. Ron Paul (R), announced the launch of his presidential exploratory committee on Tuesday.
Although Trump surged to the top of some Republican 2012 polls after raising doubts about Obama's birthplace and eligibility to be president, his former political leanings and policy positions on issues are likely to upset GOP voters.
"I am very proud of myself, because I have accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish," Trump told reporters after Obama released his long-form birth certificate on Wednesday.
Obama responds to Donald Trump:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIkxoq0agNo&feature=player_embedded
:lol: