I am trying to find information about a Charles A Wallin born 1840 in Sweden but I am pretty sure Charles Wallin is not what his name was in Sweden. Any obvious equivalent?
"Sven Hoek"
Karl A. Wallin.
Quote from: Valmy on April 19, 2011, 08:28:17 PM
Yeah tried that. Nothin.
Try putting some tits on the As.
Borgy Sven Borgysenn
Who?
Probably an ancestor.
Problem is that spelling wasn't a precise science in pre-modernity. Carl or Karl are both pronounced the same, so there's no real need to be precise.
"From Sweden" is not going to be enough, I think. You need to narrow it down. Records are pretty well kept from the 19th century but I doubt you'll get anywhere without knowing where he came from.
Additionally, "Charles" is not necessarily the result of a name change.
http://www.markandandrea.com/images/family/mark/seburgs/wallin.htm
Related to those guys?
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 20, 2011, 08:19:21 AM
http://www.markandandrea.com/images/family/mark/seburgs/wallin.htm (http://www.markandandrea.com/images/family/mark/seburgs/wallin.htm)
Related to those guys?
There are 12 194 Wallins today, spread all over the country.
Not the most common name at #62, but not exactly uncommon either.
Hehe... I was working on geneaology last night and traced one of my mother's lines back to early Massachusetts... my 10th great grandfather, John Stone, got fined for yelling at a Puritan minister in Gloucester, specifically "for scandalizing Mr. Blynman, with charging him with a false interpretation of Scripture, as also saying that if an angel from heaven should preach the same he would not believe it, and that there were other of his mind; and also further in a discourse with James Smith tending to the reproach of the doctrine delivered by Mr. Blynman". :cool:
Quote from: Slargos on April 20, 2011, 08:14:39 AM
Problem is that spelling wasn't a precise science in pre-modernity. Carl or Karl are both pronounced the same, so there's no real need to be precise.
"From Sweden" is not going to be enough, I think. You need to narrow it down. Records are pretty well kept from the 19th century but I doubt you'll get anywhere without knowing where he came from.
Additionally, "Charles" is not necessarily the result of a name change.
I have the following clues:
1. The guy arrived in the US in 1870.
2. He was living in North Carolina by 1900.
So I need to find a record of all Charles, Carl, Karl Wallins who left Sweden for the US in 1870 (or at least shortly before it). Yeah it is not much to go on but if there are only 12,194 today there could not have been very many way back in 1870.
Pretty thin. :D
My interest in genealogy is even thinner, so I can't really help you. I might ask my parents if they know any good resources to turn to.
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2011, 08:26:00 AM
Hehe... I was working on geneaology last night and traced one of my mother's lines back to early Massachusetts... my 10th great grandfather, John Stone, got fined for yelling at a Puritan minister in Gloucester, specifically "for scandalizing Mr. Blynman, with charging him with a false interpretation of Scripture, as also saying that if an angel from heaven should preach the same he would not believe it, and that there were other of his mind; and also further in a discourse with James Smith tending to the reproach of the doctrine delivered by Mr. Blynman". :cool:
That is the stuff I hope to get more of. Stories and anecdotes. It makes these people easier to remember. That is pure gold :)
Yeah, check this shit out. :cool:
Cal's 9th great grandfather:
QuoteThomas Cornish was born in Great Britian about 1615, was in Gloucester, Massachusetts before September 4, 1641 where he married Mary Stone. He moved to Exeter where in October 1651 he signed a document with others to appoint Edward Hilton to a position of authority. On 24 March 1652 he signed a petition to annex a meadow of about one hundred acres to the town.
By January 22, 1657 Thomas Cornish with Thomas Pettit men of Exeter had moved to Middleburg, now Newtown, Long Island. Here he was involved with others, in disputes over lands to be given for a Richard Mills who was "our schoolmaster, and at present our soul's help in dispensing God's word to us and our children every Lord's day, may be settled in it, to enjoy it without any molestation from Francis Doughty, or any of his, for so long as our God shall be pleased to continue him amongst us, or to provide another for us."
The petition to court was signed by ten men including Thomas Cornish
The dispute was finally settled by Peter Stuyvestant by order February 1661 when Richard Mills was inducted in the town-house
His will was processed November 7 1662. Middleburrough August 12, 1662 "An Inventory of the estate of the late Thomas Cornish of the place above said taken by us whose names are underwritten" amounted to L138.4.5
More About Thomas Cornish: Fact 1: September 04, 1641, Owned a house in Goucester, some marsh in Annisquam, & a Lot on Planters Neck. Fact 2: October 14, 1651, In Exeter Mass (now NH) elected with five others to represent town.. Fact 3: 1652, Signs as representative of Exeter for court in Boston to grant town a Meadow.. Fact 4: January 22, 1656/57, Moved to Middleburg LI NY Signs documents regarding house for a minister.. Fact 5: August 12, 1662, Inventory of Will @138.4.5 Mary (wife) execitrix..
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2011, 08:47:13 AM
The dispute was finally settled by Peter Stuyvestant by order February 1661 when Richard Mills was inducted in the town-house
Pity he didn't get his autograph.
'Mr. Stuyvestant! Huge fan!'
Alright after finding a database there are two possibilities:
A guy from Stockholm who left out of Hamburg in 1865 bound for New York
A guy from Karlstad who left out of Göteborg in 1869 bound for New York.
I have a 50% chance so I choose the Karlstad guy which probably means he was actually the Stockholm guy :P
Karlstad sucks, you should go with the Stockholm guy.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2011, 08:08:54 PM
"Sven Hoek"
My poor Ren and Stimpy reference. :weep:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 20, 2011, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2011, 08:08:54 PM
"Sven Hoek"
My poor Ren and Stimpy reference. :weep:
What about it, fuckface? I even had a Sven Hoek avatar on Old Languish.
Quote from: Pat on April 20, 2011, 10:07:49 AM
Karlstad sucks, you should go with the Stockholm guy.
I'd agree, but I cannot abide your union fanboiism. Go Karlstad!
Quote from: The Brain on April 20, 2011, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 20, 2011, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2011, 08:08:54 PM
"Sven Hoek"
My poor Ren and Stimpy reference. :weep:
What about it, fuckface? I even had a Sven Hoek avatar on Old Languish.
I love it when you talk dirty to me.
Quote from: The Brain on April 20, 2011, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: Pat on April 20, 2011, 10:07:49 AM
Karlstad sucks, you should go with the Stockholm guy.
I'd agree, but I cannot abide your union fanboiism. Go Karlstad!
How provincial. I thought you were a Stockholmer? :hmm:
Valmy, are you using Geni, Ancestry, or what?
If you're using Geni and you're connected to the World Tree (as I am), Geni can calculate our relationship to one another. For example, I've collaborated on a few common ancestors with a guy who is my first cousin 6 times removed's wife's third great nephew. :)
Quote from: Valmy on April 19, 2011, 08:06:38 PM
I am trying to find information about a Charles A Wallin born 1840 in Sweden but I am pretty sure Charles Wallin is not what his name was in Sweden. Any obvious equivalent?
What about "Wallén" as a last name?
Good suggestion... basically none of my family surnames from that time period were actually standardized (e.g. "Linn/Lynne/Lynne/Linne/Lyn/Lynn").
Could also be Vallén, Wallén, Wahlen, Wahlén etc.
Being connected to the 'World Tree' (and thus ~53 million people) is fun.
QuoteSir William Wallace is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's niece's husband's brother's wife's sister's 13th great grandfather.
FFFFFFFFFRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!11111111
QuoteVice Admiral, Sir Francis Drake is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's third great uncle's wife's second cousin twice removed.
Yarr. :pirate
QuoteBill Gates is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's third great uncle's wife's nephew's wife's 7th great nephew.
money pl0x
Maybe later. I still have alot of work to do.
But you made that shit up. The Wife's niece's husband's brother's wife's sister's 13 great grandfrother of your first cousin six times removed?
No I didn't. :huh:
I just looked the person up and clicked a button and it calculated the relationship. No way for anybody to say if it's accurate, of course, but it's amusing to me anyway. I tried to calculate relationships to actual royals but it was unable to find any. :( Tried Queen Victoria, Mary, Queen of Scots, Charlemagne, etc. I also tried Pope John Paul II. :bowler:
QuoteJane Fonda is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's fifth cousin four times removed.
call me: Hanoi Cal :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on April 21, 2011, 01:35:13 PM
No I didn't. :huh:
Sorry it just sounded hilarious. Like a way Martim might claim to be an insider in Venezuelan politics.
QuoteBrigham Young, President of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's niece's husband's first cousin's wife's 2nd husband.
QuoteJoseph Smith Jr. is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's niece's husband's first cousin.
I could go on forever. Interesting who it finds links to and who it doesn't, though. The above link was unsurprising given my family history... surprised it wasn't a bit closer, actually.
Are you related to: Karl Marx?
No path found to Karl Marx. :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 21, 2011, 01:53:38 PM
No path found to Karl Marx. :(
:weep:
When I plug myself into that thing I better be related to at least one of the major French revolutionary figures. I want to be Danton's first cousin six times removed's Wife's niece's husband's brother's wife's sister's 13th great great grandson!
No path to either Danton or Robespierre. No path to Hitler either. :(
Anyway, all of the above paths must necessarily pass through a distant cousin's wife (since she is who I am connected to the World Tree by), so I don't consider any of them real relationships at all. At some point I'd like to connect a blood ancestor to the World Tree... those are relationships I would consider meaningful enough to actually be interesting, if only marginally so.
:menace:
QuoteMaj. General William Tecumseh Sherman (USA) is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's husband's fifth cousin thrice removed.
You betcha! :bleeding:
QuoteSarah L. Palin is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's third great uncle's wife's 8th great niece.
Quote from: Caliga on April 21, 2011, 02:09:44 PM
:menace:
QuoteMaj. General William Tecumseh Sherman (USA) is your first cousin 6 times removed's wife's husband's fifth cousin thrice removed.
Does Kentucky realize your close blood relation to the Hammer of the Lettows? :ph34r:
I shall have to: keep it a secret. :(
Quote from: Valmy on April 21, 2011, 02:28:22 PM
Does Kentucky realize your close blood relation to the Hammer of the Lettows? :ph34r:
No, but now that I've linked another line on my mother's (English) side to the world tree, I now realize my close blood relation to the Hammer of the Scots. :cool:
Gotta do some serious validation of that line before I'm comfortable making that claim to anyone but Languish wierdos, though.
I have some 17th century wills from Chester England headed my way. I am hoping that will clarify some things.
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2011, 01:18:32 PM
Good suggestion... basically none of my family surnames from that time period were actually standardized (e.g. "Linn/Lynne/Lynne/Linne/Lyn/Lynn").
Yeah My paternal name was Gamiz when came over from Spain, my Maternal surname was Vollmer.
Quote from: Valmy on May 20, 2011, 12:21:50 PM
I have some 17th century wills from Chester England headed my way. I am hoping that will clarify some things.
Awesome, how did you achieve that?
Quote from: Caliga on May 20, 2011, 12:35:20 PM
Awesome, how did you achieve that?
Called up the Chester records office and ordered them.
How much did that cost?
Quote from: Caliga on May 20, 2011, 12:45:37 PM
How much did that cost?
About 2 Pounds a piece. The whole thing cost me 18 (counting shipping) which is probably 2,000 Dollars :P
But having something that old that may be from my family was too good to pass up. I have a copy of one of my ancestor's brother's will where he references his father. Crappy handwriting though, which seems to run in the family.
"Sanderlin" is rare as Pope shit in Sweden now. It's like all people with that last name either died or emigrated to North America.
Quote from: katmai on May 20, 2011, 12:52:06 PM
My mother's Dutch.... Pennsylvania Dutch that is.
Oh yeah, you mentioned that before. We're probably cousins. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on May 20, 2011, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 20, 2011, 12:52:06 PM
My mother's Dutch.... Pennsylvania Dutch that is.
Oh yeah, you mentioned that before. We're probably cousins. :cool:
Please don't remind me. :P
Quote from: Drakken on May 20, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
"Sanderlin" is rare as Pope shit in Sweden now. It's like all people with that last name either died or emigrated to North America.
Sandelin is quite common though.
Ok I am back to trying to track this guy again. I know his full name in the US now: Charles Alfred Wallin.
But my question is he was born in 1840 and back then the Swedes still used those Patrynomics...so would that fit there at the end?
Charles Alfred Wallin Gustavsson (or whatever?) or would it work a different way? :hmm:
Karl Alfredsson from Wallin, Sweden?
Quote from: Valmy on July 17, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Ok I am back to trying to track this guy again. I know his full name in the US now: Charles Alfred Wallin.
But my question is he was born in 1840 and back then the Swedes still used those Patrynomics...so would that fit there at the end?
Charles Alfred Wallin Gustavsson (or whatever?) or would it work a different way? :hmm:
I don't remember what the exact question is and I'm not rereading the thread, but FWIW:
Since he had a family name patronymics probably wouldn't be used a lot/at all. At least that's my impression from my own family history. On one parent's side there was no family name until modern times so patronymics were used, on the other parent's side there was a family name and patronymics weren't used AFAIK.
Er, in case it isn't clear, his name in Sweden would probably be Karl Alfred Wallin.
Btw, as you may or may not have noticed "Karl-Alfred" is the Swedish name for Popeye.
Btw, can also be Carl Alfred Wallin.
US Patent 131,237 was interesting but I suppose it's not him...
Quote from: The Brain on July 17, 2012, 02:15:06 PM
I don't remember what the exact question is and I'm not rereading the thread, but FWIW:
Since he had a family name patronymics probably wouldn't be used a lot/at all. At least that's my impression from my own family history. On one parent's side there was no family name until modern times so patronymics were used, on the other parent's side there was a family name and patronymics weren't used AFAIK.
The question is simply about this Swede my wife is descended from. Just trying to find his parents right now.
OK good to know. Karl/Carl Alfred Wallin it is. Unfortunately that sounds like a pretty common name.
QuoteBtw, as you may or may not have noticed "Karl-Alfred" is the Swedish name for Popeye.
Sweet!
I'll bite. Why do Swedes call Popeye "Karl Alfred?"
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2012, 02:03:20 PM
Karl Alfredsson from Wallin, Sweden?
Oh if only I were so lucky. But there is no town called Wallin in Sweden that I know of.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2012, 03:22:06 PM
I'll bite. Why do Swedes call Popeye "Karl Alfred?"
I don't know if it is known. Apparently (according to the internet) the first few years he was called
Fiffiga Filip (Clever Filip) but then it was changed to
Karl-Alfred. The long dead publishers of long defunct magazine
Tidsfördrif would be the ones to ask.
Btw random googling only gave me K/Carl Alfred Wallins born in 1830, 1860 (or was it 50?) and 1880 (and later). I don't know when the patent guy was born but the patent is from 1872.
Quote from: The Brain on July 17, 2012, 03:52:07 PM
Btw random googling only gave me K/Carl Alfred Wallins born in 1830, 1860 (or was it 50?) and 1880 (and later). I don't know when the patent guy was born but the patent is from 1872.
Surely there was at least one K/Carl Alfred Wallin born in Sweden in November of 1840. In fact it would be very helpful if there was exactly one. :P
Quote from: The Brain on July 17, 2012, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2012, 03:22:06 PM
I'll bite. Why do Swedes call Popeye "Karl Alfred?"
I don't know if it is known. Apparently (according to the internet) the first few years he was called Fiffiga Filip (Clever Filip) but then it was changed to Karl-Alfred. The long dead publishers of long defunct magazine Tidsfördrif would be the ones to ask.
Do you also call Donald Duck Kalle Anka, like the Danes do?
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2012, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 17, 2012, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2012, 03:22:06 PM
I'll bite. Why do Swedes call Popeye "Karl Alfred?"
I don't know if it is known. Apparently (according to the internet) the first few years he was called Fiffiga Filip (Clever Filip) but then it was changed to Karl-Alfred. The long dead publishers of long defunct magazine Tidsfördrif would be the ones to ask.
Do you also call Donald Duck Kalle Anka, like the Danes do?
We call him Kalle Anka (Charley Duck), the Danes know him as Anders And (Anders Duck).