Tonight sucks.
Dez Bryant was one pick away from Mobtown. So, with Dan Williams sitting there, the DT they need, they trade out with Denver.
Appalling.
Stupid Broncos. Now I am compelled to join the Anti-Tebows.
Coach Gruden mentioned Bernie Kosar. That improved my night a bit.
Tebow in the first round. Wow.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2010, 09:07:13 PM
Tonight sucks.
Dez Bryant was one pick away from Mobtown. So, with Dan Williams sitting there, the DT they need, they trade out with Denver.
Appalling.
I'm just happy Dez is nowhere near the AFC East. I figured the Ravens were going with Wilson after that...
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 09:16:25 PM
Tebow in the first round. Wow.
Right now, competing with Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn, I'd say Tebow is the presumptive starter.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2010, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 09:16:25 PM
Tebow in the first round. Wow.
Right now, competing with Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn, I'd say Tebow is the presumptive starter.
Probably not.
Yeah, I can't imagine Tebow as the starter.
By the way, stupid TSN for showing stupid hockey instead of the draft... :mad:
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 09:26:15 PM
Yeah, I can't imagine Tebow as the starter.
By the way, stupid TSN for showing stupid hockey instead of the draft... :mad:
The plus side of getting NFL Network is it's much easier watching the draft hearing Mike Mayock instead of Kiper.
That's a nice pick by Detroit.
The Bills take a running back??? Seriously?
Niners took two Lineman, a tackle and guard, working on supporting Smith and Gore.
Quote from: Berkut on April 22, 2010, 10:37:21 PM
The Bills take a running back??? Seriously?
That's a tough pick when you have so many other needs but Spiller is incredible. I can't imagine Lynch will be a Bill for long/.
Quote from: katmai on April 22, 2010, 11:43:14 PM
Niners took two Lineman, a tackle and guard, working on supporting Smith and Gore.
The Niners and Detroit get As in my book for the first round; Detroit got playmakers on both sides of the ball, and the Niners scored two great O lineman, especially that man-beast from Idaho.
By the way, anybody else think this new "prime time" format over three days sucks ass? I miss being engorged on all things draft during an entire weekend.
So do they Lions have enough now to actually win games?
Happy with the Bucs pick and very happy they sat on their hands and resisted using their 2 high 2nd rounders to trade back up into the 1st. Now today they have 2 of the first 10 picks. :bowler:
And yes Lions look to be improving and at least headed in the right direction. Best is a top talent IF he can stay healthy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 23, 2010, 05:03:16 AM
By the way, anybody else think this new "prime time" format over three days sucks ass? I miss being engorged on all things draft during an entire weekend.
Yes. I'm going to miss being lazy over the weekend.
Sooner Left Tackle :(
I can live with Wilson at Nickel CB. Jets seem to be stocking up on CB to make sure they can't get ripped up by multiple WR sets like last year.
Now they just need some DL help and OL depth.
Wow, 3 of top 4 picks from Oklahoma?
I can't seem to find out - what did the Vikings get from the Lions in exchange for their #30 pick?
Eh - found it. They get the Lions 2nd round pick (#34 overall), plus 4th and 7th round picks. :cool:
The Vikings need a QB ffs.
Quote from: Barrister on April 23, 2010, 12:17:13 PM
I can't seem to find out - what did the Vikings get from the Lions in exchange for their #30 pick?
Eh - found it. They get the Lions 2nd round pick (#34 overall), plus 4th and 7th round picks. :cool:
They swapped 4th round picks :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 23, 2010, 12:31:02 PM
The Vikings need a QB ffs.
I wouldn't be opposed if they drafted Colt McCoy... (don't like Clausen, personally).
But remember, the Vikings are in the Win Now(tm) mode. Drafting a QB is a multi-year project.
Quote from: Barrister on April 23, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 23, 2010, 12:31:02 PM
The Vikings need a QB ffs.
I wouldn't be opposed if they drafted Colt McCoy... (don't like Clausen, personally).
But remember, the Vikings are in the Win Now(tm) mode. Drafting a QB is a multi-year project.
They ain't going to win shit with Rosencopter & Jacksuck. Has Favre announced anything?
I think McCoy could be good. I know next to nothing on this Clausen fellaw.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 23, 2010, 06:21:15 AM
So do they Lions have enough now to actually win games?
They have enough now to give their fans false hope at the beginning of the season; that's a dramatic improvement over last year. :)
Quote from: JacobL on April 23, 2010, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 23, 2010, 12:17:13 PM
I can't seem to find out - what did the Vikings get from the Lions in exchange for their #30 pick?
Eh - found it. They get the Lions 2nd round pick (#34 overall), plus 4th and 7th round picks. :cool:
They swapped 4th round picks :P
Ah. Well that doesn't so much sound like they fleeced the Lions then.
But given the money you save by not signing a first-rounder, and for few spots they actually dropped, it was still a good deal.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 23, 2010, 12:35:26 PM
They ain't going to win shit with Rosencopter & Jacksuck. Has Favre announced anything?
Nope. Which is a good thing - at this point in the year he was retired in 2009 and 2008.
I'm very satisfied with the Raiders picking up McClain and not going for Bruce Campbell, someone with an insane 40 time, or a long snapper. I was shocked Crazy Al actually made the right call. Maybe he's swung back to slight coherence from his years senility? If they kick Jamarcus to the curb, I might actually have some hope.
I'm indifferent to the Browns taking Joe Haden. I think their hand was forced by no one contacting them to trade up. They wanted Berry I presume, and when he went off the board and with no calls coming in, they took the top player on their board left, aka Haden. He's a hell of a talent, but with the acquisition of Sheldon Brown from the Eagles, it was hardly a priority. My pet fantasy of Teow going to Cleveland and being part of some insanity behind the line with Seneca Wallace and Josh Cribbs has been dashed by the loathed Broncos, and as such I think the Browns should hold off on a QB this year. Next year is supposed to be loaded from what I hear, and with Delhomme and Wallace, they have 2 passable starters.
I'm once again furious with the Broncos, A) for taking Tebow and B) for once again shitting on my boy Kyle Orton. Seriously McDaniels? You fucking suck. Hard. You bring in Brady Quinn, and now Tim Tebow to threaten him. Why not just be done with your second starting QB in 2 years and trade Orton as well? To the Browns or Raiders. For a late round pick or two. :shifty:
Also: Ed Anger works for the Cincinatti Bengals. I've figured it out. They hired the Nuge today!
Seedy,
Yes I agree this new 1st rd on thur, 2-3 on Fri and rest of draft on Sat sucks in so many different ways.
Even more so as it started at 3:30 local time so didn't see a lick of it as I was working and the 4-7 rds start at 6am local time on Sat....
Judas Arnold-
the better pro version of Tebow will be available next year, but unless the Brownies have #1 pick won't have a shot at him.
QuoteAlso: Ed Anger works for the Cincinatti Bengals. I've figured it out. They hired the Nuge today!
Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 09:16:25 PM
Tebow in the first round. Wow.
The power of Christ compelled them.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 23, 2010, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 09:16:25 PM
Tebow in the first round. Wow.
The power of Christ compelled them.
That's a better explanation than mine, which involved a llama, several bottles of tequila, and nude pictures of Josh McDaniels...
Seriously, even the most optimistic assessments of the kid were that he had great'athleticism', great attitude, and could be a star if someone was willing to nurture him for several years. None of that screams "first round talent" to my ears.
I wonder if Toby Gerhart will be there when the Texans 2nd round pick rolls around and if they'll take him if so. Apparently, they were wanting an RB in the first, but the right guy (Matthews was who they wanted) just wasn't there at 20, so they took Jackson, who will probably end up starting at CB anyway at some point this season.
I really wouldn't mind having a huge RB who doesn't ever fumble on the roster (they do have Arian Foster, who's similarly sized kinda and who I kinda like...heh his mom posts on the Texans board too, which is interesting).
Edit: Berk, NFLN just did a little interview with Arizona's former TE, Gronkowski (?), who's in the green room for the second round. Looked like a good TE in the highlight clips, but they mentioned his back might be screwed up.
Somebody explain to me why Tebow's peformance is expected to drop off so much relative to the other draftees. :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2010, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2010, 09:16:25 PM
Tebow in the first round. Wow.
Right now, competing with Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn, I'd say Tebow is the presumptive starter.
Competing with Kyle Orton, Johnny Unitas would be the presumtive starter--and he's been dead for eight years.
I just don't get why they didn't take Emuface Clausen. Is Clausen some sort of douche or moron or something?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 23, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
I just don't get why they didn't take Emuface Clausen. Is Clausen some sort of douche or moron or something?
There's no way Clausen falls past the Bills at 41.
Quote from: Barrister on April 23, 2010, 04:29:51 PM
That's a better explanation than mine, which involved a llama, several bottles of tequila, and nude pictures of Josh McDaniels...
Seriously, even the most optimistic assessments of the kid were that he had great'athleticism', great attitude, and could be a star if someone was willing to nurture him for several years. None of that screams "first round talent" to my ears.
More seriously, it seems the idea is that we could turned into a Welker-type and Welker has shown the potential value of that kind of player in the NFL. That plus the option value of the long shot chance he could make it as a QB arguably takes him above the 4th/5th round level. But 1st is still a stretch.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 23, 2010, 04:57:58 PM
Somebody explain to me why Tebow's peformance is expected to drop off so much relative to the other draftees. :hmm:
Because qb's who ran spread in college have so far had hard time with learning to deal with NFL coverages. And iirc his delivery wasnt all that impressive, so he's looked at someone who will have to be developed over a few years. Now that works when like the Packers did it with Rodgers, but you can look at how David Carr and Alex Smith have faired when qb's are tossed in too soon which is what most people think will happen in Denver as Orton is a joke and Quinn hasn't impressed either.
oh good...tampa is becoming the lions of DT drafting :yuk: :cry:
:ultra: Stop the Orton hate you bastards!
Quote from: Vince on April 23, 2010, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 23, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
I just don't get why they didn't take Emuface Clausen. Is Clausen some sort of douche or moron or something?
There's no way Clausen falls past the Bills at 41.
Of course I could be wrong. :blush:
Quote from: Vince on April 23, 2010, 05:51:21 PM
Of course I could be wrong. :blush:
Hey maybe he'll be there in the 4th or 5th round and the Texans can get their next backup QB. :P
Great, the Ratbirds just got Sergio Kindle. Like they needed another linebacker.
Doh. I wonder what they got for Gerhart.
Oh..swapped 2nds and picked up a 3rd. Not a bad deal there, I don't think (Gerhart's going to be a damn hall of famer or something :bleeding:).
Fucking Ratbirds. Mount Cody now.
Tebow has no chance of starting as a rookie, unless it is at wide receiver. Orton is serviceable, and if the Broncos really want a subpar, overhyped QB, they already have Quinn.
:frusty:
It's official, Al Davis is dead. There's no way that the Raiders can draft 3 logical, good picks in a row with him alive and calling the shots.
In Browns news, I'm officially questioning their drafting this year. Not happy at all with what they've done.
Quote from: Neil on April 23, 2010, 06:59:54 PM
Tebow has no chance of starting as a rookie, unless it is at wide receiver.
Tebow isn't fast enough to be a WR. He could be a TE though.
Edit: Can he catch?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 23, 2010, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 23, 2010, 06:59:54 PM
Tebow has no chance of starting as a rookie, unless it is at wide receiver.
Tebow isn't fast enough to be a WR. He could be a TE though.
Edit: Can he catch?
Probably.
I was looking at the College Football News website, and one of their comments was, "Congratulations, Denver. You just spent the 25th pick in the draft on Jim Jensen". For those of you who don't remember Jim Jensen, he was a Miami Dolphin back in the Dan Marino era. He was their 3rd string QB, 2nd string center, 3rd string RB, 2nd string TE, 3rd string WR, 2nd string ILB, 3rd string OLB, the dime back when they used a 6-DB package, and captain of the special teams. In other words, he could do almost anything you wanted a player to do on the football field--but he didn't do anything quite well enough to be an NFL starter at any position.
1(20): Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
2(58): Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
3(81): Earl Mitchell, DT, Arizona
I like the first two quite a bit, but I don't know shit about Mitchell there. They're all at positions of need, so...whatever. NFL.com has a weird typo in Mitchell's weight category they haven't caught saying he's 215lbs, while other places are putting him at a much more believable ~295.
They were making some trades today too. Down in the second for a 3rd, then up again for a 5th. Down out of the third (the one they picked up for the Gerhart spot) for another 4th and 5th.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 23, 2010, 04:53:49 PM
I wonder if Toby Gerhart will be there when the Texans 2nd round pick rolls around and if they'll take him if so. Apparently, they were wanting an RB in the first, but the right guy (Matthews was who they wanted) just wasn't there at 20, so they took Jackson, who will probably end up starting at CB anyway at some point this season.
I really wouldn't mind having a huge RB who doesn't ever fumble on the roster (they do have Arian Foster, who's similarly sized kinda and who I kinda like...heh his mom posts on the Texans board too, which is interesting).
Edit: Berk, NFLN just did a little interview with Arizona's former TE, Gronkowski (?), who's in the green room for the second round. Looked like a good TE in the highlight clips, but they mentioned his back might be screwed up.
Gebhardt went in the first round, didn't he?
And Gronkowski is the real deal - he is simply a beast. If he can stay healthy, he will have a very solid NFL career.
Quote from: dps on April 23, 2010, 08:53:19 PM
I was looking at the College Football News website, and one of their comments was, "Congratulations, Denver. You just spent the 25th pick in the draft on Jim Jensen".
Lulz, Crash Jensen.
Quote from: Berkut on April 23, 2010, 11:22:11 PM
Gebhardt went in the first round, didn't he?
Pick 51 in the second round. The Texans traded that one to the Vikes for the 61st (then traded that one and a 5th rounder for the 58th where they got Ben Tate) and a 3rd (93, which they traded to get another 4th and a 5th). Minnesota is going to be rotating Adrian Peterson and Toby Gerhart now. :blink:
QuoteAnd Gronkowski is the real deal - he is simply a beast. If he can stay healthy, he will have a very solid NFL career.
Good pickup by the Patriots then. He was really excited about it, which was nice to see. Know anything about Earl Mitchell?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 23, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
1(20): Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
2(58): Ben Tate, RB, Auburn
3(81): Earl Mitchell, DT, Arizona
I like the first two quite a bit, but I don't know shit about Mitchell there. They're all at positions of need, so...whatever. NFL.com has a weird typo in Mitchell's weight category they haven't caught saying he's 215lbs, while other places are putting him at a much more believable ~295.
They were making some trades today too. Down in the second for a 3rd, then up again for a 5th. Down out of the third (the one they picked up for the Gerhart spot) for another 4th and 5th.
Mitchell going that early was definitely a surprise to me. Great college player, and I thought he was pretty undervalued, but 3rd round?
The look on Colt McCoy's face when the Browns announced him was priceless. I've seen that same look in dental office waiting rooms, right before the root canal procedure.
As much as I hate to, I have to give the Patriots an A for their draft, too.
Seattle has had a good draft as well. A very good draft.
Raiders get one of the Saturday Steals in Terpie Bruce Campbell, though. Total raw talent that could explode.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
The look on Colt McCoy's face when the Browns announced him was priceless. I've seen that same look in dental office waiting rooms, right before the root canal procedure.
I was more creeped out by all the women in the room with him looking exactly like him.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 24, 2010, 09:46:20 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
The look on Colt McCoy's face when the Browns announced him was priceless. I've seen that same look in dental office waiting rooms, right before the root canal procedure.
I was more creeped out by all the women in the room with him looking exactly like him.
Their collective tears will be delicious when he collapses under his first Mount Cody avalanche, extinguishing what little life he has left in Cleveland.
Go Vikes getting Gerhart!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2010, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 24, 2010, 09:46:20 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
The look on Colt McCoy's face when the Browns announced him was priceless. I've seen that same look in dental office waiting rooms, right before the root canal procedure.
I was more creeped out by all the women in the room with him looking exactly like him.
Their collective tears will be delicious when he collapses under his first Mount Cody avalanche, extinguishing what little life he has left in Cleveland.
:(
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 23, 2010, 07:57:48 PM
It's official, Al Davis is dead. There's no way that the Raiders can draft 3 logical, good picks in a row with him alive and calling the shots.
In Browns news, I'm officially questioning their drafting this year. Not happy at all with what they've done.
Hey BA wasn't it you who said you would gladly have the Raiders take Jason Campbell? Well they got him. Have fun with that.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
The look on Colt McCoy's face when the Browns announced him was priceless. I've seen that same look in dental office waiting rooms, right before the root canal procedure.
He is the next Bernie Kosar.
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2010, 01:48:08 PM
Hey BA wasn't it you who said you would gladly have the Raiders take Jason Campbell? Well they got him. Have fun with that.
Indeed it was. He's a hell of an improvement over Jamarcus Russell, even if he is average at best. Hopefully this means the end of the Russell era in Oakland, as I doubt he'll take a pay cut so odds are he will get cut. Gradkowski is still my preferred guy to start, but I'm happy with Campbell as well. I really like what the Raiders did this draft. They made some smart and needed picks and the Al style picks didn't show till the 4th round, when they became smart picks at the position instead of awful 1st round picks.
I'm still not sold on the Browns draft, though I do like some of the pickups they made. The Coly McCoy pick is gold in my opinion, as he has a year or two to develop behind Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme. There's no rush to throw him onto the field and be eaten by Mount Cody or be the fill-in for Suggs wrath to be dealt to Brady Quinn.
edit: Oh snap! I'm back to Benedict Arnold! I just noticed.
The Iggles should be happy with Kurt Coleman in the 7th. If he gets a chance to turn Tony Homo into a bloody smear on the Cowboy's star, I'll be pleased.
The fucker can hit.
And the Yinzers were grabbing Ohio State DE's like they were tickle me elmo's at christmas time. I can see grabbing Thaddeus Gibson, but Worthington isn't that good.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 24, 2010, 02:23:30 PM
edit: Oh snap! I'm back to Benedict Arnold! I just noticed.
Who the fuck etc.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 24, 2010, 02:23:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2010, 01:48:08 PM
Hey BA wasn't it you who said you would gladly have the Raiders take Jason Campbell? Well they got him. Have fun with that.
Indeed it was. He's a hell of an improvement over Jamarcus Russell, even if he is average at best. Hopefully this means the end of the Russell era in Oakland, as I doubt he'll take a pay cut so odds are he will get cut. Gradkowski is still my preferred guy to start, but I'm happy with Campbell as well. I really like what the Raiders did this draft. They made some smart and needed picks and the Al style picks didn't show till the 4th round, when they became smart picks at the position instead of awful 1st round picks.
I'm still not sold on the Browns draft, though I do like some of the pickups they made. The Coly McCoy pick is gold in my opinion, as he has a year or two to develop behind Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme. There's no rush to throw him onto the field and be eaten by Mount Cody or be the fill-in for Suggs wrath to be dealt to Brady Quinn.
edit: Oh snap! I'm back to Benedict Arnold! I just noticed.
As the Pats have Oakland's 1st round pick next year it's in everyone's best interest for the Raiders to do well this season. :contract:
Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2010, 09:11:13 AM
Mitchell going that early was definitely a surprise to me. Great college player, and I thought he was pretty undervalued, but 3rd round?
Mid third round isn't high at all.
Seedy or neil, any chance of a detailed description of the Ravens draft choices? Been in the field. :bleeding:
Edit: Well i guess mainly their reason for so many tight ends, I thought heap was really good, just not getting the ball thrown at him lately?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2010, 09:38:49 AM
Seattle has had a good draft as well. A very good draft.
Thank god. Still don't like the way they fired Mora Jr. after one season.
Jason Campbell deserves better than the Skins and Raiders. :(
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 24, 2010, 09:24:14 PM
Seedy or neil, any chance of a detailed description of the Ravens draft choices? Been in the field. :bleeding:
Edit: Well i guess mainly their reason for so many tight ends, I thought heap was really good, just not getting the ball thrown at him lately?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:bal (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:bal)
I don't know college players enough to comment. Heap is getting older, has been hurt before, and has no depth behind him.
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2010, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
The look on Colt McCoy's face when the Browns announced him was priceless. I've seen that same look in dental office waiting rooms, right before the root canal procedure.
He is the next Bernie Kosar.
YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 24, 2010, 09:24:14 PM
Seedy or neil, any chance of a detailed description of the Ravens draft choices? Been in the field. :bleeding:
Edit: Well i guess mainly their reason for so many tight ends, I thought heap was really good, just not getting the ball thrown at him lately?
1. I was a little surprised that Sergio Kindle lasted as long as he did, even with the rumors of his knee before the draft; he's a megatypical 3-4 linebacker with speed and wingspan, and will definitely give Suggs a running mate on the outside/down lineman blitz. Particularly since Tavares Gooden isn't getting the job done. They had the least number of sacks ever for a Ravens franchise last season; Kindle will definitely address that.
2. While he wasn't my first pick for DT, Mount Cody will be more than compelling to watch next to Ngata; that's damned 700+ pounds of beef at the DT positions. Ain't nobody running on the Ravens. Cody was another victim of pre-draft hysteria, with his weight and work ethic. Those issues usually disappear your first training camp with Ray Lewis.
3. The TEs--while I've seen more of Ditta in games than Dickson the Duck, the fact that Todd Heap's productivity is down, combined with no depth behind him for years, makes these picks very good. They'll both make the team. I can see Dickson out of the box more often, lining up outside and playing in motion. It's all about getting targets downfield for Flacco, and both these guys have the tools to do it, particularly in the middle of the field. And Ditta is a hell of a downfield blocker. For a Mormon.
4. The end of the draft: Picking David Reed from Utah is going to pay off, and become another Ozzie Draft Day Miracle. That OLman from Moorehouse is a total project, but he's been coveted by a lot of teams as a future mauler when he gets enough experience. Same with the lineman from Syracuse.
Final analysis: I'd have liked to have seen them address the safety position, but I can't complain when they score two 1st Round picks in the 2nd round; Kindle and Cody were both fantastic steals, and will be immediate starters on defense, insha'allah. The two TEs will definitely make the team, and David Reed will be the steal of the draft for them.
I'm also really surprised they didn't nab a corner or so, they're secondary was terrible this past year.
Huh. One of Houston's 4th round picks is Al Sharpton's nephew (Daryl Sharpton).
:bleeding:
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2010, 01:48:32 PM
He is the next Bernie Kosar.
Of course, if you're a Cleveland fan, what you really want is the next Otto Graham. Being as how no QB has won an NFL title there since Graham.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 25, 2010, 02:25:11 PM
I'm also really surprised they didn't nab a corner or so, they're secondary was terrible this past year.
Their pass defense improved tremendously over the final 6 weeks, but the big issue is the late season injuries to their starters and whether or not they'll be good to go for camp or the beginning of the season.
But yeah, it's a principal concerm.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 25, 2010, 02:25:11 PM
I'm also really surprised they didn't nab a corner or so, they're secondary was terrible this past year.
A pass rush would help with that.
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 25, 2010, 02:25:11 PM
I'm also really surprised they didn't nab a corner or so, they're secondary was terrible this past year.
A pass rush would help with that.
No shit. Even Jesus can't be expected to cover Ochocinco for 9 seconds. Gotta get the rush on to the QB, and the Ravens have had very little of it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2010, 09:38:49 AM
As much as I hate to, I have to give the Patriots an A for their draft, too.
Excellent :)
The Cardinals' draft wasn't spectacular, but they got some some good players to try and rebuild their defense. Williams falling to them at 26 was a minor miracle; the TCU LB is supposed to be good but I don't know much about him. Their 4th round pick should have gone higher but he ripped up his knee at the Senior Bowl; hopefully he will be ready come September.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2010, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 25, 2010, 02:25:11 PM
I'm also really surprised they didn't nab a corner or so, they're secondary was terrible this past year.
A pass rush would help with that.
No shit. Even Jesus can't be expected to cover Ochocinco for 9 seconds. Gotta get the rush on to the QB, and the Ravens have had very little of it.
And that was the difference between two years ago and last year.
SO the Bills didn't get a QB in free agency or the draft.
Some might think this is bad, but it turns out they didn't get one because they are happy with the QB situation as it is.
Quote from: Berkut on April 25, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
SO the Bills didn't get a QB in free agency or the draft.
Some might think this is bad, but it turns out they didn't get one because they are happy with the QB situation as it is.
Maybe they know something we don't.
No, this is the team that hired Dick Jauron. It's safe to say that they don't know anything.
The Bills picked up Levi Brown (Troy State QB) in free agency.
Not that he will likely improve their situation or anything. :P
Edit: Is it just Troy? Or is there a State on there?
Oh Troy University.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 25, 2010, 09:46:21 PM
The Bills picked up Levi Brown (Troy State QB) in free agency.
Not that he will likely improve their situation or anything. :P
Edit: Is it just Troy? Or is there a State on there?
Oh Troy University.
It used to be Troy State, they shortened it a few years ago for some reason.
Quote from: Berkut on April 25, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
SO the Bills didn't get a QB in free agency or the draft.
Some might think this is bad, but it turns out they didn't get one because they are happy with the QB situation as it is.
At least they didn't sign LaGarrett Blount. :P
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on April 25, 2010, 12:29:43 AM
Jason Campbell deserves better than the Skins and Raiders. :(
Well then he should have shown it by not sucking ass.
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2010, 11:14:36 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on April 25, 2010, 12:29:43 AM
Jason Campbell deserves better than the Skins and Raiders. :(
Well then he should have shown it by not sucking ass.
He was just trying to fit in. :(
Quote from: sbr on April 25, 2010, 11:07:06 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 25, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
SO the Bills didn't get a QB in free agency or the draft.
Some might think this is bad, but it turns out they didn't get one because they are happy with the QB situation as it is.
At least they didn't sign LaGarrett Blount. :P
Go niners!!
Only a FA rookie contract. So not a problem to cut him if he doesn't shine in camp.
Quote from: Berkut on April 25, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
SO the Bills didn't get a QB in free agency or the draft.
Some might think this is bad, but it turns out they didn't get one because they are happy with the QB situation as it is.
They're waiting for Jamarcus to get cut.
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2010, 12:36:51 AM
Quote from: sbr on April 25, 2010, 11:07:06 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 25, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
SO the Bills didn't get a QB in free agency or the draft.
Some might think this is bad, but it turns out they didn't get one because they are happy with the QB situation as it is.
At least they didn't sign LaGarrett Blount. :P
Go niners!!
Only a FA rookie contract. So not a problem to cut him if he doesn't shine in camp.
Blount spurned them for the Titans. :lol: He has a better chance at sticking there with LenDale White being traded.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 23, 2010, 04:57:58 PM
Somebody explain to me why Tebow's peformance is expected to drop off so much relative to the other draftees. :hmm:
America loves an Underdog and hates the Successful.
Quote from: Berkut on April 25, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
SO the Bills didn't get a QB in free agency or the draft.
Some might think this is bad, but it turns out they didn't get one because they are happy with the QB situation as it is.
The Brian Brohm Era can now begin in Buffalo....or is that the Ryan Fitzpatrick ERA?
Fitzpatrick did have a perfect score on the Wonderlic Test if I remember correctly, that counts for something?!?
Ryan Fitzpatrick sucks.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 26, 2010, 12:49:51 PM
Ryan Fitzpatrick sucks.
All the Bill's quarterbacks suck, that is a given. The hard part is choosing which one sucks the least.
I think Roscoe Parrish is their emergency QB. He should be given a shot at the starting position. It would bring some excitement to the team.
Quote from: CBSSports.comRaiders' Russell eats his way up draft bust list
April 26, 2010
By Mike Freeman
First, a sincere mea culpa.
There was no question in my mind when Oakland drafted JaMarcus Russell in 2007 he was going to resuscitate a horrid Raiders franchise. Never did I imagine that rather than picking apart defenses he would instead be picking out D-cups.
And so here we are. Just three seasons into the Russell era and he has been replaced by Jason Campbell. NFL team executives believe the Raiders might cut Russell as early as this week, though predicting what Oakland will do is like trying to keep Russell away from the Krispy Kremes.
This is likely the end of Sherman Klump as a Raider. If the Raiders do release him, can Russell catch on elsewhere and change his life? It's possible, but to this point Russell has demonstrated little initiative, passion, leadership or skill. Other than that, he has been fantastic.
Sometimes, the media declares draft busts too quickly. This is not one of those instances. Ryan Leaf is the epitome of NFL Draft bust but Russell could soon join Leaf, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Terry Baker, David Carr and Rick Mirer on those notorious top 10 bust lists. It has been striking to watch as Russell, the former No. 1 overall pick, has fallen as quickly and clumsily as any prospect in the past 10 to 15 years.
There are actually two struggling quarterbacks on the West Coast, the Bay Area Busts. The Raiders have Russell while San Francisco has Alex Smith. Russell has failed because he never maximized his ability; Smith has struggled because he didn't possess much talent in the first place.
What makes Russell unique in bust annals is that never before have we seen a quarterback literally eat himself out of a job. Such a thing is usually reserved for offensive linemen and sitcom stars. Eventually, as his weight ballooned to nearly 300 pounds, Russell had a bouncier caboose than J. Lo. Some women pay thousands of dollars to have breasts like Russell's.
What happened to Russell? I've spent the past few days trying to find out and no one can say for certain. Scouts who watched Russell closely while he was at LSU remain shocked because, despite some revisionist history, there was never a trace of laziness or uninspired play when he was in college, scouts say.
The general consensus seems to be that Russell became a classic case of what occurs when some athletes receive too much money and power too quickly. The Raiders have already paid Russell over $30 million in guaranteed money as part of his six-year, $68 million rookie deal. Some players are changed by all of that cash and some aren't. Russell was.
Russell's work ethic completely deteriorated after he signed that deal and just a few years into it Raiders players were publicly questioning his work ethic. Last season Russell's 50 passer rating was the lowest in professional football in 11 years. He was benched for Bruce Gradkowski.
In some ways, the Raiders deserve credit. Oakland's trading for Campbell is an admission by the team that Russell can't be trusted. Most NFL franchises that invest so much in a draft pick stubbornly refuse to admit wrongdoing (just look at the 49ers and Smith). By acquiring Campbell the Raiders are saying: We screwed up.
Campbell is the opposite of Russell. In Washington, Campbell was well respected in the Redskins locker room and rarely complained despite the constant changes on the coaching staff due to sloppy and mistake-prone management and ownership. Going back to his days at Auburn, this is Campbell's eighth offensive coordinator.
Russell had all the benefits and behaved like a child. Campbell didn't and behaved like a man.
Al Davis, the mercurial owner of the Raiders, once compared Russell to John Elway, which is like comparing La Toya Jackson to Patti LaBelle. The only thing that Elway and Russell have in common is that they've both beaten the Raiders.
The Russell Era is likely about to end and even the harshest of Russell critics three years ago didn't see it ending so miserably.
QuoteLinebacker Adalius Thomas was released by the Patriots on Monday
HA! That is what he gets for joining Belichoke and the evil empire.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2010, 09:52:16 AM
QuoteLinebacker Adalius Thomas was released by the Patriots on Monday
HA! That is what he gets for joining Belichoke and the evil empire.
Indeed. Maybe he'll end up going somewhere not evil and return to form.
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Quote from: Strix on April 26, 2010, 01:28:19 PM
Sometimes, the media declares draft busts too quickly. This is not one of those instances. Ryan Leaf is the epitome of NFL Draft bust but Russell could soon join Leaf, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Terry Baker, David Carr and Rick Mirer on those notorious top 10 bust lists.
Didn't Carr have a couple of decent seasons before the sacks broke his soul?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 28, 2010, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 26, 2010, 01:28:19 PM
Sometimes, the media declares draft busts too quickly. This is not one of those instances. Ryan Leaf is the epitome of NFL Draft bust but Russell could soon join Leaf, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Terry Baker, David Carr and Rick Mirer on those notorious top 10 bust lists.
Didn't Carr have a couple of decent seasons before the sacks broke his soul?
No. It also turns out that tool was responsible for a whole shitload of those sacks that "broke his soul."
Edit: Unless Matt Schaub is somehow more elusive than David Carr or something (he's not, and it's not even close..dude is a statue).
Edit2: Now, to be fair, I personally would have thrown Tony Banks to the wolves that first year, especially after Boselli and the other dude who was supposed to anchor the line just...didn't....make it, and I think Carr, despite sacking himself a couple times a damn game, would have still ended up as a good backup. But seriously, by the third year or so, I would have made the Rosencopter the starter and never looked back, even knowing about his incredible ability to lose games.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 28, 2010, 08:47:52 PM
No. It also turns out that tool was responsible for a whole shitload of those sacks that "broke his soul."
No, he sort of wasn't. The Texans line has improved a lot over the years.
Quote from: Neil on April 28, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 28, 2010, 08:47:52 PM
No. It also turns out that tool was responsible for a whole shitload of those sacks that "broke his soul."
No, he sort of wasn't. The Texans line has improved a lot over the years.
Sure he was. Don't be silly. The Schaubster had the exact same line as Carr his first year and the sacks went from what...like 40,50? to ~20. At least half of those dudes are gone now though, due to injuries, retiring, or just sucking. Yeah...LT, LG, RG, and C are different now. Winston is still there, and that's it IIRC.
E: A whole lot of those were him just running out of bounds behind the LOS instead of just tossing the ball out of bounds, which was infuriating. I remember one specific time where he took off and ran OOB right at the line of scrimmage, but actually held the ball behind him, resulting in a loss of yards. Just wtf kind of shit. Schaub actually throws the thing away. He also does crazy shit like trying to block DE's straight up though.
E2: Actually, I think Schaub's first year was when the Dayne train broke the shit out of the starting LT's leg, so they had to go with Ephraim Salaam there. Either Schaub's first or Carr's last. :hmm: That was pretty nasty whenever that was. The Dunta Robinson leg break was pretty gross too.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 28, 2010, 09:06:22 PM
Sure he was. Don't be silly. The Schaubster had the exact same line as Carr his first year and the sacks went from what...like 50? to ~16. At least half of those dudes are gone now.
Carr was finished before Schaub came along, and the Texans line improved over the course of Carr's tenure, even as Carr got worse.
Quote from: Neil on April 28, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
Carr was finished before Schaub came along, and the Texans line improved over the course of Carr's tenure, even as Carr got worse.
04 and 06 were two of the best years of his career. 2005 was the disaster 2 - 14 season that wasn't good for anyone.
Anyways, my point was that Carr was a big step up from any of those other names on that list.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 28, 2010, 10:47:03 PM
Anyways, my point was that Carr was a big step up from any of those other names on that list.
Oh. Yeah. :P He's actually kind of an alright backup, instead of just being worthless.
David Carr was a very capable and promising quarterback, but he was destroyed by that junior varsity line of the Texans.
Naturally to learned Texans fans, now that Houston shows occasional sign of life offensively, it's all his fault.
FRESNO STATE FOREVER
:lol:
Edit: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=9&day=2&year=2010&hour=18&min=30&sec=0&p0=179
That's a long time to wait for FRESNO STATE college football. Dallas and Cincy play the Hall of Fame game Aug 8 though, at least.