I think we should kill the living shit out of them. String them up.
That's just the lawyer speaking. What does Scip think?
We shouldn't kill them. We should capture them and make them lead us to their buried treasure. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 10, 2009, 06:42:00 AM
We shouldn't kill them. We should capture them and make them lead us to their buried treasure. :)
Capture them, find out their home villages, and then liquidate the villages.
it is time to go old school on the third world.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2009, 07:00:27 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 10, 2009, 06:42:00 AM
We shouldn't kill them. We should capture them and make them lead us to their buried treasure. :)
Capture them, find out their home villages, and then liquidate the villages.
it is time to go old school on the third world.
But what about the treasure? If we don't make them lead us to it, we'll have another Oak Island on our hands.
Quote from: Caliga on April 10, 2009, 07:01:56 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2009, 07:00:27 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 10, 2009, 06:42:00 AM
We shouldn't kill them. We should capture them and make them lead us to their buried treasure. :)
Capture them, find out their home villages, and then liquidate the villages.
it is time to go old school on the third world.
But what about the treasure? If we don't make them lead us to it, we'll have another Oak Island on our hands.
Pfft, treasure. next, you'll be chasing after lepercauns and their lucky charms.
They need to fly the skull and bones/cutlass if they won't any respect from me.
Quote from: Scipio on April 10, 2009, 05:47:08 AM
I think we should kill the living shit out of them. String them up.
I intend to see to it that any man who sails under a pirate flag, or wears a pirate brand, gets what he deserves: a short drop and a sudden stop.
See, this is why Languish is so important. Before this thread I was unaware that the Somalis had computers or MP3 players.
Quote from: Caliga on April 10, 2009, 07:01:56 AM
But what about the treasure? If we don't make them lead us to it, we'll have another Oak Island on our hands.
Dude, their boats are
inflatable; how much treasure do you really think they've got floating around? If I was gonna take up piracy, I'd want to be no less armed than a brigantine or a man'o'war, so there's at least
guns. If we were really trying for the dread pirate thing, I'd hijack a destroyer and fly the jolly roger. B)
The only reason they've been so successful is because most commercial shipping traffic is virtually totally unarmed.
They should have to perform in a street theater rendition of the Muppets Treasure Island. FOREVER!
Seems like you could cut down on the kind of piracy we see today immensely with some relatively simple (read: cheap) lethal defensive systems.
I don't know if that would just make the pirates ratchet up the violence as well though.
Quote from: Berkut on April 10, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Seems like you could cut down on the kind of piracy we see today immensely with some relatively simple (read: cheap) lethal defensive systems.
I don't know if that would just make the pirates ratchet up the violence as well though.
I've been saying it since this started. We don't need 20 different navies patrolling the area in huge ships. The commercial ships just need to be allowed to have a couple of armed, trained personnel on board- the pirates' whole thing is that the cargo ships can't fire back.
Quote from: Berkut on April 10, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
Seems like you could cut down on the kind of piracy we see today immensely with some relatively simple (read: cheap) lethal defensive systems.
I don't know if that would just make the pirates ratchet up the violence as well though.
Probably would. But if it forced them to lay off US ships for awhile it would be worth it so long as the cost involved didn't outstrip the profits made in using those waters to transport goods.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 10, 2009, 08:53:47 AM
I've been saying it since this started. We don't need 20 different navies patrolling the area in huge ships. The commercial ships just need to be allowed to have a couple of armed, trained personnel on board- the pirates' whole thing is that the cargo ships can't fire back.
Wait commercial ships are not allowed to defend themselves? Not allowed by whom?
This is a job for Knight Boat!
Quote from: Valmy on April 10, 2009, 08:54:52 AM
Wait commercial ships are not allowed to defend themselves? Not allowed by whom?
OK. I worded that badly. Not
equipped. And if they've got a false sense of security waiting for a big hulking destroyer to steam through the most congested naval traffic in the world, I believe that actually exacerbates the problem.
Well, at least the President is talking tough and reassuring the nation that he's dealing with the situation.
Oh wait, he's not :rolleyes:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKN09285492
QuoteHe declined to comment on the pirate situation for the second day in a row on Thursday.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 10, 2009, 08:55:57 AM
This is a job for Knight Boat!
:huh: What?
I don't wanna hear anything bad about the boat!
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teamknightrider.com%2Fknightboat%2Fboat1.gif&hash=64e0ccebaa7dff23ce217912ffc542460da3fcb9)
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 10, 2009, 08:55:57 AM
This is a job for Knight Boat!
The crime solving boat!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/20679/the-simpsons-night-boat
Well given Obama's heritage he's probably got a cousin who is a pirate or something. :pirate
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 10, 2009, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 08:58:14 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 10, 2009, 08:55:57 AM
This is a job for Knight Boat!
:huh: What?
I don't wanna hear anything bad about the boat! (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teamknightrider.com%2Fknightboat%2Fboat1.gif&hash=64e0ccebaa7dff23ce217912ffc542460da3fcb9)
I have no idea what you're talking about.
EDIT: I hadn't seen the pic when I posted that. How did you make it scroll across the screen?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 09:00:16 AM
EDIT: I hadn't seen the pic when I posted that. How did you make it scroll across the screen?
Tip: hit the "quote" button & you'll see the code he used.
Tim = fail :)
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 10, 2009, 08:55:57 AM
This is a job for Knight Boat!
Oh No! They're making a run for it on land!
Wait! Good thing there's a well-placed canal!
Quote from: Valmy on April 10, 2009, 08:54:52 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 10, 2009, 08:53:47 AM
I've been saying it since this started. We don't need 20 different navies patrolling the area in huge ships. The commercial ships just need to be allowed to have a couple of armed, trained personnel on board- the pirates' whole thing is that the cargo ships can't fire back.
Wait commercial ships are not allowed to defend themselves? Not allowed by whom?
There are insurance problems, and there are also problems with showing up in foreign ports with weapons in a lot of countries.
Fuck foreign countries. If they don't like our armed merhcantmen they will taste a screaming 18" broadside from one of our battleships.
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
Fuck foreign countries. If they don't like our armed merhcantmen they will taste a screaming 18" broadside from one of our battleships.
I'm sure we would beat down the EU countries that have a problem with gun ownership--no problem there. It's the insurance companies I'm worried about.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 10, 2009, 09:20:37 AM
I'm sure we would beat down the EU countries that have a problem with gun ownership--no problem there. It's the insurance companies I'm worried about.
Oh, god. The eSurance Trading Company. :bleeding:
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
Fuck foreign countries. If they don't like our armed merhcantmen they will taste a screaming 18" broadside from one of our battleships.
We refloat what is left of the Yamato for its 18 inch guns? :P
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
Fuck foreign countries. If they don't like our armed merhcantmen they will taste a screaming 18" broadside from one of our battleships.
From one of our what now? :blush:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2009, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
Fuck foreign countries. If they don't like our armed merhcantmen they will taste a screaming 18" broadside from one of our battleships.
We refloat what is left of the Yamato for its 18 inch guns? :P
What battleships do we have now, I am speaking of a long term project here - Project Neil, designing North America's next Battleship.
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:36:41 AM
What battleships do we have now, I am speaking of a long term project here - Project Neil, designing North America's next Battleship.
Knowing our luck, he'd subcontract to the Timmeh Corporation, and after 6 months of service, they'd need a congressional review on the inadvisability of using railguns in congested marine traffic. :P
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2009, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
Fuck foreign countries. If they don't like our armed merhcantmen they will taste a screaming 18" broadside from one of our battleships.
We refloat what is left of the Yamato for its 18 inch guns? :P
The Japanese are way ahead of you MB. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato#Space_Battleship_Yamato
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2009, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
Fuck foreign countries. If they don't like our armed merhcantmen they will taste a screaming 18" broadside from one of our battleships.
We refloat what is left of the Yamato for its 18 inch guns? :P
The Japanese are way ahead of you MB. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato#Space_Battleship_Yamato
JESUS HUBERT HUMPHREY CHRIST, ARE YOU THAT FUCKING DENSE? WHY THE FUCK DID YOU THINK I POPPED AN YAMATO REFERENCE IN THIS THREAD?
Man. I know what fucking Star Blazers was, since it was on TV with G-Force. Damn kids these days.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2009, 10:02:56 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2009, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
Fuck foreign countries. If they don't like our armed merhcantmen they will taste a screaming 18" broadside from one of our battleships.
We refloat what is left of the Yamato for its 18 inch guns? :P
The Japanese are way ahead of you MB. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato#Space_Battleship_Yamato
WHY THE FUCK DID YOU THINK I POPPED AN YAMATO REFERENCE IN THIS THREAD?
Man. I know what fucking Star Blazers was, since it was on TV with G-Force. Damn kids these days.
I thought it was just because the Yamato class were the only Battleship with 18 inch guns.
I know the series is old, but you just don't seem like the kind of guy who would have watched anime, even when he was a kid.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 10:17:17 AM
I know the series is old, but you just don't seem like the kind of guy who would have watched anime, even when he was a kid.
Star Blazers was shown on regular network television in the early 80s; and it was before anyone realized how weird Japanese cartoons could be.
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 10, 2009, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 10, 2009, 08:55:57 AM
This is a job for Knight Boat!
Oh No! They're making a run for it on land!
Wait! Good thing there's a well-placed canal!
There's always a canal, or a fjord, or an estuary!
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/09/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4931970.shtml
Here's what our "nation of cowards" attorney general had to say:
QuoteIn reference to whether the pirates may face criminal charges in the United States, the attorney general said, "it is a little early tell, at this point. There has not been an act of piracy I think against a United States vessel in hundreds of years. So ah...I'm not sure exactly what would happen."
And 'Crazy Joe' Biden:
QuoteWe're not going to settle that here. I think what you should do is contact Jim Jones and the White House," he said referring journalists to the national security advisor.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 10:17:17 AM
I thought it was just because the Yamato class were the only Battleship with 18 inch guns.
Furious was a battle cruiser armed with 18" guns, and the British had two monitors with 18" guns taken from the Furious.
Quote from: Savonarola on April 10, 2009, 10:32:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 10:17:17 AM
I know the series is old, but you just don't seem like the kind of guy who would have watched anime, even when he was a kid.
Star Blazers was shown on regular network television in the early 80s; and it was before anyone realized how weird Japanese cartoons could be.
hell, even earlier. I can swear that shit was on during the Carter Administration.
QuoteIn reference to whether the pirates may face criminal charges in the United States, the attorney general said, "it is a little early tell, at this point. There has not been an act of piracy I think against a United States vessel in hundreds of years. So ah...I'm not sure exactly what would happen."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_court
Quote from: derspiess on April 10, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/09/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4931970.shtml
Here's what our "nation of cowards" attorney general had to say:
QuoteIn reference to whether the pirates may face criminal charges in the United States, the attorney general said, "it is a little early tell, at this point. There has not been an act of piracy I think against a United States vessel in hundreds of years. So ah...I'm not sure exactly what would happen."
Wow, what can you say to ignorance of that magnitude. :mellow:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 12:01:08 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 10, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/09/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4931970.shtml
Here's what our "nation of cowards" attorney general had to say:
QuoteIn reference to whether the pirates may face criminal charges in the United States, the attorney general said, "it is a little early tell, at this point. There has not been an act of piracy I think against a United States vessel in hundreds of years. So ah...I'm not sure exactly what would happen."
Wow, what can you say to ignorance of that magnitude. :mellow:
That just means that they won't live to see trial Timoshanter.
Quote from: Scipio on April 10, 2009, 05:47:08 AM
I think we should kill the living shit out of them. String them up.
John Keegan agrees.
]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5133029/Pirates-must-be-hunted-down-and-their-vessels-sunk-on-sight.html] (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5133029/Pirates-must-be-hunted-down-and-their-vessels-sunk-on-sight.html) [url]
QuoteThe rich nations are already taking steps to protect their shipping – the US 5th Fleet has five to 10 ships in the area; there is also an EU force, and a Nato fleet. A host of countries, including Britain, China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, Denmark and Malaysia, have either sent warships or are reportedly considering doing so.
Such ships must act promptly and ruthlessly, as piracy will spread unless it is stamped out. The Gulf of Aden is an exit from the Mediterranean, one of the world's most important seas, crossed annually by thousands of ships. So our campaign must be ruthless and pitiless: pirate ships must be sunk on sight and the crews left to swim to safety, if it can be reached.
Many would complain about such tactics but, in my opinion, pirates have no rights – indeed, it will be vital to exclude human rights lawyers from the anti-piracy campaign. To bring any captives to Europe or America for trial would probably be to grant them their dearest wish, which is to secure entry to a new life in the First World.
OMG U PEOPLE ARE SO RACIDISTIC :mad:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30154714/
France frees yacht off Somalia, hostage killed
Four other hostages, including a child, are saved, officials say
Reading towards the end of the article, and it looks like lots of ships and boats taken. More than I would have thought, including private boats like this French one. Yemeni tugboat, etc. Just nuts.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 10, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
That just means that they won't live to see trial Timoshanter.
Rrrright.
I hope France arrests some pirates so we can call wherever they put them the "gulag of our time".
Quote from: Berkut on April 10, 2009, 01:39:19 PM
I hope France arrests some pirates so we can call wherever they put them the "gulag of our time".
:lol:
Quote from: Berkut on April 10, 2009, 01:39:19 PM
I hope France arrests some pirates so we can call wherever they put them the "gulag of our time".
To the Bastille with them!
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 10, 2009, 09:25:32 AM
Oh, god. The eSurance Trading Company. :bleeding:
The eSurance girl gives me wood.
One thing I don't understand is how the motherships are staying undetected. Surely those ships are big enough to be spotted on satellites and be dispatched in quick order.
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
One thing I don't understand is how the motherships are staying undetected. Surely those ships are big enough to be spotted on satellites and be dispatched in quick order.
If it is such a highly trafficed area I doubt it.
Satellites can't see if they are fishing or pirating.
Quote from: derspiess on April 10, 2009, 01:37:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 10, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
That just means that they won't live to see trial Timoshanter.
Rrrright.
They are as dead as yesterday's mackerel killer.
Quote from: The Brain on April 10, 2009, 03:01:51 PM
Satellites can't see if they are fishing or pirating.
Neither can Indians, they sank a 'mother ship' that turned out to be a fishing boat being boarded by pirates.
Zapp: "Good job everyone. The mothership is destroyed." (the real mothership is "decloaking" ) "What the hell is that?"
Kif: "It appears to be the mothership."
Zapp: "Then what did we just blow up?"
Kif: "The Hubble Telescope."
Quote from: mongers on April 10, 2009, 03:23:54 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 10, 2009, 03:01:51 PM
Satellites can't see if they are fishing or pirating.
What I saw in 'Body of Lies' says you're wrong. :P
Ya. Pick it out of the 30 trillion boats in the area.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 12:01:08 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 10, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/09/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4931970.shtml
Here's what our "nation of cowards" attorney general had to say:
QuoteIn reference to whether the pirates may face criminal charges in the United States, the attorney general said, "it is a little early tell, at this point. There has not been an act of piracy I think against a United States vessel in hundreds of years. So ah...I'm not sure exactly what would happen."
Wow, what can you say to ignorance of that magnitude. :mellow:
What's the ignorance? I don't think piracy has been a big problem for quite some time.
It reminds me of the story about the Falklands. Just after Argentina invaded the Foreign Office dispatched a crack team of bureaucrats to the National Archives to look through the papers for 1939 because no-one knew how to declare war :lol:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 10, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
What's the ignorance? I don't think piracy has been a big problem for quite some time.
It reminds me of the story about the Falklands. Just after Argentina invaded the Foreign Office dispatched a crack team of bureaucrats to the National Archives to look through the papers for 1939 because no-one knew how to declare war :lol:
I'm not saying it's been a big problem, but there's no way that no American ships have been hijacked/robbed in the last two hundred years.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2009, 04:30:56 PM
I'm not saying it's been a big problem, but there's no way that no American ships have been hijacked/robbed in the last two hundred years.
Okay but surely it's not a common enough problem that the AG would immediately have an idea of what legal proceedings take place? It's just like the war thing. It's so rare for us to declare war (we authorise military actions now) that I don't know that anyone would know the procedure.
And, like the FCO boys down in Kew, it's just quite funny.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 10, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
What's the ignorance? I don't think piracy has been a big problem for quite some time.
On top of what Tim said, you would think they would have had a little time to start digging into it by the time he was asked. Failing that, he could have at least given a better answer than he did.
Hopefully he giggled because he knew full well that US would take no prisoners.
Quote from: derspiess on April 10, 2009, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 10, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
What's the ignorance? I don't think piracy has been a big problem for quite some time.
On top of what Tim said, you would think they would have had a little time to start digging into it by the time he was asked. Failing that, he could have at least given a better answer than he did.
Yeah, it's not like this problem just came out of nowhere, piracy has been exploding off of Somalia the last couple of years.
Quote from: derspiess on April 10, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/09/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4931970.shtml
Here's what our "nation of cowards" attorney general had to say:
QuoteIn reference to whether the pirates may face criminal charges in the United States, the attorney general said, "it is a little early tell, at this point. There has not been an act of piracy I think against a United States vessel in hundreds of years. So ah...I'm not sure exactly what would happen."
And 'Crazy Joe' Biden:
QuoteWe're not going to settle that here. I think what you should do is contact Jim Jones and the White House," he said referring journalists to the national security advisor.
These are the morons guiding our nation? I hope that Jim Jones has the sense to say "String the fuckers up. Pronto. Preferably after we secure that American."
Quote from: Berkut on April 10, 2009, 01:39:19 PM
I hope France arrests some pirates so we can call wherever they put them the "gulag of our time".
Already done.
The first step that needs to be taken is to make it an international crime for any corporation or individual to pay a ransom to pirates. If a government does it, then their leader needs to be charged with a violation of the law.
It is payment of ransoms that drives this spate of crimes. Stop the ransoms, and you stop most piracy.
Summary execution of pirates caught in the act is also warranted and allowed under international law; captains of naval vessels are almost always authorized by their equivalents of the UCMJ to conduct summary courts-martial, and piracy is a capital offense, just like mutiny.
Quote from: mongers on April 10, 2009, 06:40:19 PM
All good stuff, but I suspect the moment a pirate it detained by the RN, he gains complete access to the European human rights conventions.
Even if that were true, the obvious solution is just to sink their ships and not rescue them.
Quote from: Neil on April 10, 2009, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 10, 2009, 06:40:19 PM
All good stuff, but I suspect the moment a pirate it detained by the RN, he gains complete access to the European human rights conventions.
Even if that were true, the obvious solution is just to sink their ships and not rescue them.
It might be true. A bit ago the Germans captured a few of the lowlife and they're now on trial under EU law :(.
Instead of just dropping and stopping them.
Promotion of a legal use of hemp as an added bonus.
The pirates have received reinforcements, fucking ballsy of them. <_<
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30162572/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 11, 2009, 08:06:02 AM
The pirates have received reinforcements, fucking ballsy of them. <_<
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30162572/
Ballsy but stupid. If some nation got some nads they could free most of the hostages held and kill off most of the pirates at one time.
No nation has the moral courage to do the right thing: Attack the pirates with no concern as to the lives of the hostages, and then follow up with saturation bombing attacks on the Somali coast.
Captain has been saved. 3 dead pirates!
Quote from: garbon on April 12, 2009, 12:45:36 PM
Captain has been saved. 3 dead pirates!
Fourth pirate captured, because someone exercised pity.
*
Its a pity I ran out of bullets thought BM2 McCord as he ziptied the pirate's wrists.*
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 10, 2009, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2009, 09:36:41 AM
What battleships do we have now, I am speaking of a long term project here - Project Neil, designing North America's next Battleship.
Knowing our luck, he'd subcontract to the Timmeh Corporation, and after 6 months of service, they'd need a congressional review on the inadvisability of using railguns in congested marine traffic. :P
Wait, wait, Neil wants to put rail-guns in a battleship??
Hahaha, when did that happen? I thought he was all for old school 18" guns.
Good news. I'm concerned, however, that the pirates may take revenge on other sailors that they still hold hostage.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
Good news. I'm concerned, however, that the pirates may take revenge on other sailors that they still hold hostage.
That won't be very profitable would it? I mean these guys are out to make cash not change the world.
Pirates need to be condemned to life in front of a firing squad.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
Good news. I'm concerned, however, that the pirates may take revenge on other sailors that they still hold hostage.
I don't know. I think they're looking for ransom and that's about it. And worrying about that can't, alas hold back a policy of confronting pirates.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 12, 2009, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
Good news. I'm concerned, however, that the pirates may take revenge on other sailors that they still hold hostage.
That won't be very profitable would it? I mean these guys are out to make cash not change the world.
Easier to make cash when ship owners know that it's not just ransom on the line.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
Good news. I'm concerned, however, that the pirates may take revenge on other sailors that they still hold hostage.
"Revenge?" Many of the pirates are probably pleased that members of a rival clan have been killed.
The main effect of this action is likely to be that the stumblebum pirates like this group will be discouraged, while the better-organized pirate gangs will take increased precautions against attack.
French, Russian and other nations have fought/killed pirates also. So the pirates will operate as usual, taking precautions that they've been already doing anyway. Chalk another one up for the civilised world.
Quote from: Siege on April 12, 2009, 01:59:44 PM
Wait, wait, Neil wants to put rail-guns in a battleship??
Hahaha, when did that happen? I thought he was all for old school 18" guns.
Fuck no to both. The 18" gun was ridiculous and unnecessary, making it impossible to work the deck during battle, and was very demanding in terms of structure. Moreover, there's no reason to use such an overpowered weapon when there are no enemy vessels with any real armour. A modern 14" gun would be perfectly adequate for coastal bombardment and sinking any vessels that a pirate might hijack.
As for the railgun, why use an expensive experimental system when existing technologies are perfectly adequate? A combination of autocannons and guided missiles would be able to engage any enemy on land, sea or air, while armour plating would make it immune to any kind of conventional counterattack.
I'm waiting for UNSC Resolution 2009 "Lex Gabinia"
:frusty: I was making a joke about defense contractors and subcontractors, guys.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 12, 2009, 09:35:14 PM
:frusty: I was making a joke about defense contractors and subcontractors, guys.
The idea that I would allow Tim-ism to pollute a dreadnought battleship is unfunny. Patriotardism must be proscribed.
Well, at least Obama wasn't cowed by the military might of four guys armed with AK's in a dinghy.
If the US navy starts frenching the pirate scum on a regular basis then Neil and garbon might have to change their minds about Obama. :P
Pirates vow revenge. So given that several other nations have killed pirates and freed hostages, I guess the Pirates have a list of nations they don't like. Guess they aren't considering the contempt they're held in - they have over 200 hostages and many ships captured. What a mess.
As for this US hostage taking. I saw on the news that the pirates were only about 20 miles off the Somali coast, though the reporting may have been wrong since they had been a couple hundred and the boat supposedly had no fuel.
Anyhow, I'm sure US officials didn't want to let these guys get to shore, keep the hostage for how ever long, getting more propaganda for it in the bargain.
Quote from: KRonn on April 13, 2009, 07:46:43 AM
Guess they aren't considering the contempt they're held in - they have over 200 hostages and many ships captured. What a mess.
Are these captured ships spread out all along the coast are they concentrated in a few ports?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 13, 2009, 08:16:42 AM
Quote from: KRonn on April 13, 2009, 07:46:43 AM
Guess they aren't considering the contempt they're held in - they have over 200 hostages and many ships captured. What a mess.
Are these captured ships spread out all along the coast are they concentrated in a few ports?
From news reports it looks like some are in ports and others anchored along the coast. I assume where ever the pirates have control and can wait out their ransom demands.
Quote from: KRonn on April 13, 2009, 09:49:45 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 13, 2009, 08:16:42 AM
Quote from: KRonn on April 13, 2009, 07:46:43 AM
Guess they aren't considering the contempt they're held in - they have over 200 hostages and many ships captured. What a mess.
Are these captured ships spread out all along the coast are they concentrated in a few ports?
From news reports it looks like some are in ports and others anchored along the coast. I assume where ever the pirates have control and can wait out their ransom demands.
That's what I thought. Too bad, if they were concentrated in just a few places it might be possible to raid them all at once.
As a pessimist I can only predict all of this will get worst before it gets any better, and I can only hope there is not a "Black Hack Down II".
Quote from: Legbiter on April 12, 2009, 10:23:41 PM
Well, at least Obama wasn't cowed by the military might of four guys armed with AK's in a dinghy.
If the US navy starts frenching the pirate scum on a regular basis then Neil and garbon might have to change their minds about Obama. :P
I think that if the French grow the balls to start frenching the pirate scum on a regular basis, then the US example will have meant something. If the French go on paying ransoms, though, then the 100% US success rate will mean nothing, and Neil and garbon can avoid reconsidering their positions.
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 13, 2009, 10:09:24 AM
As a pessimist I can only predict all of this will get worst before it gets any better, and I can only hope there is not a "Black Hack Down II".
Yeah, I hope the US doesn't end up in a position where it takes down an entire Somali warlord and clan, inflicting kill ratios of between 30:1 and 70:1. :huh:
Quote from: grumbler on April 13, 2009, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 13, 2009, 10:09:24 AM
As a pessimist I can only predict all of this will get worst before it gets any better, and I can only hope there is not a "Black Hack Down II".
Yeah, I hope the US doesn't end up in a position where it takes down an entire Somali warlord and clan, inflicting kill ratios of between 30:1 and 70:1. :huh:
And yet it was completely useless. American soldiers got dragged through the streets, which ended the US ability to make war.
Quote from: grumbler on April 13, 2009, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 12, 2009, 10:23:41 PM
Well, at least Obama wasn't cowed by the military might of four guys armed with AK's in a dinghy.
If the US navy starts frenching the pirate scum on a regular basis then Neil and garbon might have to change their minds about Obama. :P
I think that if the French grow the balls to start frenching the pirate scum on a regular basis, then the US example will have meant something. If the French go on paying ransoms, though, then the 100% US success rate will mean nothing, and Neil and garbon can avoid reconsidering their positions.
Yeah, I was scratching my head on the "frenching" thing.
Quote from: grumbler on April 13, 2009, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 13, 2009, 10:09:24 AM
As a pessimist I can only predict all of this will get worst before it gets any better, and I can only hope there is not a "Black Hack Down II".
Yeah, I hope the US doesn't end up in a position where it takes down an entire Somali warlord and clan, inflicting kill ratios of between 30:1 and 70:1. :huh:
Still a messy situation I hope we do not go back to. We already have enough "mess" to get out of.
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 13, 2009, 12:45:50 PMStill a messy situation I hope we do not go back to. We already have enough "mess" to get out of.
I agree, but this strikes me as a problem that, since we have no desire to occupy Somalia for any reason, can be solved with a salvo or three of BLU-82s.
Quote from: Caliga on April 13, 2009, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 13, 2009, 12:45:50 PMStill a messy situation I hope we do not go back to. We already have enough "mess" to get out of.
I agree, but this strikes me as a problem that, since we have no desire to occupy Somalia for any reason, can be solved with a salvo or three of BLU-82s.
I was thinking an Iowa-class from about two miles offshore, but that'll work too.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 13, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 13, 2009, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 13, 2009, 12:45:50 PMStill a messy situation I hope we do not go back to. We already have enough "mess" to get out of.
I agree, but this strikes me as a problem that, since we have no desire to occupy Somalia for any reason, can be solved with a salvo or three of BLU-82s.
I was thinking an Iowa-class from about two miles offshore, but that'll work too.
Those things are pretty heavy. Throwing an Iowa Class over two miles would take some doing.
Bombing Somali pirates with an actual battleship dropped from the air (no, let's say SPACE) would be the hottest thing ever.
Quote from: Caliga on April 13, 2009, 02:20:15 PM
Bombing Somali pirates with an actual battleship dropped from the air (no, let's say SPACE) would be the hottest thing ever.
Too Japanese and too Timmay.
Pirates didn't learn their lesson. <_<
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30204891/
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MOMBASA, Kenya - Undeterred by U.S. and French hostage rescues that killed seven bandits, Somali pirates brazenly hijacked three more ships in the Gulf of Aden, the key waterway that's become the focal point of the world's fight against piracy.
2 of those 3 ships were Egyptian fishing boats though, with less than 25 people on board. Not quite the same type of haul.
Do you really think the forces of tyranny and reaction can squash the eternal free spirit of salty Somalian Buccaneers Tim?
The Hanstastic graph of the day.
Jefferson was a terrible president.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2009, 07:56:36 AM
Pirates didn't learn their lesson. <_<
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30204891/
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updated 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
MOMBASA, Kenya - Undeterred by U.S. and French hostage rescues that killed seven bandits, Somali pirates brazenly hijacked three more ships in the Gulf of Aden, the key waterway that's become the focal point of the world's fight against piracy.
Well not these pirates. They haven't been shot yet!
Quote from: Neil on April 14, 2009, 07:56:00 PM
Jefferson was a terrible president.
Don't steal my stichk. <_<
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2009, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 14, 2009, 07:56:00 PM
Jefferson was a terrible president.
Don't steal my stichk. <_<
It was mine first. I've opposed his yeomen farmer ideal since you were a boy.
I only recently realized that the 4 pirates were all teenagers.