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Title: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 03:31:21 PM
About five weeks ago, after reading a couple of articles about how bad refined sugar is for you, I decided to quit sugar on the spot.  My motivation was curiosity more than anything, I was interested in what would happen when I did, and if I could do so easily in the first place.  I didn't quit sugar religiously, I just cut out all the obvious sugar-packed junk, like my daily bar of Snickers, or my daily bottle of soda.  I wasn't doing it to lose weight, but being a non-muscular 6'2", 195 pounds was a bit much, so it wouldn't hurt to lose a few.

I've had a couple of surprising results.  First of all, I really didn't miss that junk all that much, and still don't.  It turns out that I forgot to get rid of one bottle of soda, but I still left it untouched in the fridge, so even with some temptation within my reach I'm able to stay clean.  I also noticed that my appetite plummeted, and so did my weight.  I'm already down to 180 pounds, and it seems like more slimming is on the way.  I expected to have a change in energy level, but so far I haven't noticed anything one way or the other.  It's now also more of a challenge to stay hydrated, because apparently chugging all that soda does help in that department.

After this little experiment, my beliefs about various diet beliefs became challenged.  For a long time, I though that there is no such thing as bad food that's responsible for obesity.  Every food just has a caloric value, and the culprit is people's bodies that don't regulate caloric intake for stable weight.  However, it now seems apparent to me that at least in some cases, it's in fact the sugary crap that makes your body go haywire, and messes with your appetite.  Now I'm starting to view all the junk food companies as not that much better than tobacco companies; they're just peddling their crap for profit even at the cost of health catastrophe for society.

Does anyone here have a similar experience, or just anything to say about this?
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: citizen k on March 06, 2010, 03:37:51 PM
Congrats on the healthy changes.

  :cheers: (sugar-free beverages)
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Josquius on March 06, 2010, 03:49:21 PM
I couldn't live just drinking water.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Sahib on March 06, 2010, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 06, 2010, 03:49:21 PM
I couldn't live just drinking water.

Drink diet sodas.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: grumbler on March 06, 2010, 04:06:49 PM
I drink little in the way of sugary beverages, and never add sugar to anything I eat, so I have missed the hallucinations that lead one to believe that food companies are like the tobacco industry.  Pity.  It sounds like a fun delusion to have.

I suppose I could work on the delusion that my subjective experiences while avoiding a given foodstuff creates an objective reality.  Maybe I'll give up peanuts and see if I come to believe that peanut companies are run by aliens.  That sounds like a fun delusion.  I'll have to practice being ultra-judgmental, though, if I am to duplicate the process described in the OP.  That just doesn't come naturally to me.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 06, 2010, 04:06:49 PM
I drink little in the way of sugary beverages, and never add sugar to anything I eat, so I have missed the hallucinations that lead one to believe that food companies are like the tobacco industry.  Pity.  It sounds like a fun delusion to have.

I suppose I could work on the delusion that my subjective experiences while avoiding a given foodstuff creates an objective reality.  Maybe I'll give up peanuts and see if I come to believe that peanut companies are run by aliens.  That sounds like a fun delusion.  I'll have to practice being ultra-judgmental, though, if I am to duplicate the process described in the OP.  That just doesn't come naturally to me.
Venom is like spices.  It's most effective when used sparingly.  Maybe that could be thing you could try cutting down on.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 06, 2010, 04:46:07 PM
HOney is better for you.  Enjoy the bee vomit whilst it lasts, as the bugs are going extinct.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 04:48:43 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 06, 2010, 04:46:07 PM
HOney is better for you.  Enjoy the bee vomit whilst it lasts, as the bugs are going extinct.
Did anyone ever figure out what's killing them, or is it still a mystery?
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 06, 2010, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 04:48:43 PM
Did anyone ever figure out what's killing them, or is it still a mystery?
I read an article in The Atlantic a while back talking about pesticides.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Faeelin on March 06, 2010, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 06, 2010, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 04:48:43 PM
Did anyone ever figure out what's killing them, or is it still a mystery?
I read an article in The Atlantic a while back talking about pesticides.

At first glance, I thought you said "I read an article in the Atlantic a while back about talking pesticides", which would have fit this thread wonderfully.

I'm not sure if it's the sugar, but I've noticed even a slight change can have a huge effect. I gave up eating a pint of B&J a week, and my weigh rapidly fell below 160. Which was unintentional.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Ed Anger on March 06, 2010, 05:53:37 PM
I think Gully is a goddamned communist with that junk food hatred.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Razgovory on March 06, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 06, 2010, 05:53:37 PM
I think Gully is a goddamned communist with that junk food hatred.

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: The Brain on March 06, 2010, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 03:31:21 PM
About five weeks ago, after reading a couple of articles about how bad refined sugar is for you, I decided to quit sugar on the spot.  My motivation was curiosity more than anything, I was interested in what would happen when I did, and if I could do so easily in the first place.  I didn't quit sugar religiously, I just cut out all the obvious sugar-packed junk, like my daily bar of Snickers, or my daily bottle of soda.  I wasn't doing it to lose weight, but being a non-muscular 6'2", 195 pounds was a bit much, so it wouldn't hurt to lose a few.

I've had a couple of surprising results.  First of all, I really didn't miss that junk all that much, and still don't.  It turns out that I forgot to get rid of one bottle of soda, but I still left it untouched in the fridge, so even with some temptation within my reach I'm able to stay clean.  I also noticed that my appetite plummeted, and so did my weight.  I'm already down to 180 pounds, and it seems like more slimming is on the way.  I expected to have a change in energy level, but so far I haven't noticed anything one way or the other.  It's now also more of a challenge to stay hydrated, because apparently chugging all that soda does help in that department.

After this little experiment, my beliefs about various diet beliefs became challenged.  For a long time, I though that there is no such thing as bad food that's responsible for obesity.  Every food just has a caloric value, and the culprit is people's bodies that don't regulate caloric intake for stable weight.  However, it now seems apparent to me that at least in some cases, it's in fact the sugary crap that makes your body go haywire, and messes with your appetite.  Now I'm starting to view all the junk food companies as not that much better than tobacco companies; they're just peddling their crap for profit even at the cost of health catastrophe for society.

Does anyone here have a similar experience, or just anything to say about this?

There is no bad food that is responsible for obesity. People are responsible for their obesity. If you don't want to be/become obese avoiding it is very simple.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 07:18:33 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 06, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 06, 2010, 05:53:37 PM
I think Gully is a goddamned communist with that junk food hatred.

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Fuck you, Brutus!  :mad: My parents weren't communists, even when they were in a communist country.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: grumbler on March 06, 2010, 10:11:45 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 04:42:01 PM
Venom is like spices.  It's most effective when used sparingly.  Maybe that could be thing you could try cutting down on.
Truth stings you like venom, eh?  :lol:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 06, 2010, 10:30:47 PM
Loki Liesmith is lockd up with venom being splashed in his face. :( 
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Grey Fox on March 06, 2010, 10:51:55 PM
I can't quit sugar, I've tried I dont even last a full day.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: grumbler on March 06, 2010, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 06, 2010, 10:30:47 PM
Loki Liesmith is lockd up with venom being splashed in his face. :(
Bummer.  :(
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 07, 2010, 12:02:33 AM
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Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 07, 2010, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 06, 2010, 10:51:55 PM
I can't quit sugar, I've tried I dont even last a full day.
The first day or two is the hardest, as with any habit that you're trying to break.  In my case, though, pretty soon I found the sugary stuff too sweet.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Lucidor on March 07, 2010, 03:31:01 AM
I sort of believes quick carbs are bad for you, even if I don't buy into the no-carbs at all diet some people are religious about. It's the insulin that helps you put on weight, and that gets raised by the sugar. Also, falling and rising blood sugar levels make you hungrier and makes you eat more than a level blood sugar would.

If it's any help, I think maltose is better than sucrose, and maltose is in beer... :D

Congrats, dguller!
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: garbon on March 07, 2010, 04:43:07 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 04:42:01 PM
Venom is like spices.  It's most effective when used sparingly.  Maybe that could be thing you could try cutting down on.

False.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 07, 2010, 09:10:17 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 07:18:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 06, 2010, 05:53:37 PM
I think Gully is a goddamned communist with that junk food hatred.
Fuck you, Brutus! 

Yeah, take it out on the brown blob thing.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: PDH on March 07, 2010, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: Lucidor on March 07, 2010, 03:31:01 AM
It's the insulin that helps you put on weight, and that gets raised by the sugar. Also, falling and rising blood sugar levels make you hungrier and makes you eat more than a level blood sugar would.

This is sort of where I came from in all my weight loss (130lbs over 5 years).  The no-carbs is BS, but keeping a reasonable bloodsugar level and not having massive insulin releases seemed to me to be a good thing.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 03:31:21 PM
For a long time, I though that there is no such thing as bad food that's responsible for obesity.

Seriously? Wow.  :huh:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 10:37:24 AM
The problem with refined sugar (and other high-caloric artificial/highly processed foodstuffs) is that our bodies have not evolved to be used to them. So when they encounter it, they think it's like a fucking Christmas and begin storing it for the lean years. Since lean years never come, it just gets stored and stored. And since evolutionarily, the best way for a guy to store extra fat is around his waist (as this, at least at first, does not affect his physical prowess in a same way as storing it around his limbs would), we grow our bellies fairly quickly.

So in short, from the metabolism perspective, it's better to get your carbs from the sources that are available naturally (fruits, vegetables, honey, non-sweetened fruit juices) than from processed stuff (like refined sugar, not to mention the most evil of them all, high-fructose corn syrup).
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Brazen on March 07, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
The problem isn't the obvious sugar in sweet stuff, which we all need for the odd energy boost, it's the hidden stuff in savoury foods. I couldn't eat a load of stuff in the US as it just tasted so sweet with added corn syrup. Sweet steaks? No thanks.

Anyway, getting used to energy drinks and gels to get me round the marathon. They have lots of different refined carbs, including maltodextrin.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Malthus on March 07, 2010, 11:32:27 AM
My own prescription for dieting is to more or less eat the same foods every day during the week, only eating out friday nights or on special occasions.

Typically, I have the following for breakfast:

- 1 apple
- 1 bowl low-fat yogurt
- 2 melba toasts
- cuppa tea

Unless I'm going to the gym, when I have 1 bowl of cereal (bran flakes) plus a protien bar after work-out.

For lunch:

- 1 large mixed tomato salad (tomatoes, onions, peppers, radishes)
- low-fat dressing
- 1 order of meat (1/2 sliced chicken breast or 3 slices of low-fat turkey plus 2 slices of low-fat cheese)
- 2 melba toasts
- 1 can of diet pop

Snack, halfway through the afternoon: 2 melba toasts

Dinner: 1 order of meat (1/2 chicken breast, salmon steak, shrimp, lean beef, etc.)
- 1 large serving of vegitables (broccoli, cauliflower, beans)
- 1 can diet pop

Snack, later in evening: 1 bowl of mixed fruit (strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, rasberries) mixed with low-fat yougurt.

Tea and water during the day.

It has worked okay with me - I lost a lot of weight and, so far, been able to keep it off. 
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
Watch Alton Brown's Life Free or Diet.  I've lost 12 pounds, and started making the fruit smoothie thing for breakfast. 
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Maximus on March 07, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: Brazen on March 07, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
The problem isn't the obvious sugar in sweet stuff, which we all need for the odd energy boost, it's the hidden stuff in savoury foods. I couldn't eat a load of stuff in the US as it just tasted so sweet with added corn syrup. Sweet steaks? No thanks.
Americans love putting sugar on meat. I haven't figured it out yet either.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 12:08:51 PM
Quote from: Lucidor on March 07, 2010, 03:31:01 AM
It's the insulin that helps you put on weight, and that gets raised by the sugar. Also, falling and rising blood sugar levels make you hungrier and makes you eat more than a level blood sugar would.


Is that how it works in normal people? I've never quite understood the normal system, though I'm pretty well versed in the diabetic one.

My son, who's diabetic, has wildly fluctuating blood sugars some days, and on others, manages his blood sugar very well. His appetite never wavers based on the fluctuations, however. He is always ravenous. How much of this is because he's a 14-year-old boy and how much is because of his blood sugar numbers? I'm not sure.

I will say that the higher his blood sugar, the hungrier he becomes. (It doesn't matter what the fluctuations are. Just a consistent high number.) That is due to a LACK of insulin, rather than an increase in it. A high blood sugar is an indication that the insulin isn't there to help the body absorb the sugars, which means the body is starving, hence the crazy appetites. How that transcribes to a normal system, I don't know.

Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Maximus on March 07, 2010, 11:52:45 AM

Americans love putting sugar on meat. I haven't figured it out yet either.

I take your ham off the bone before I add the honey glaze! :contract:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Maximus on March 07, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: Brazen on March 07, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
The problem isn't the obvious sugar in sweet stuff, which we all need for the odd energy boost, it's the hidden stuff in savoury foods. I couldn't eat a load of stuff in the US as it just tasted so sweet with added corn syrup. Sweet steaks? No thanks.
Americans love putting sugar on meat. I haven't figured it out yet either.

WTF
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 07, 2010, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 12:08:51 PM
Quote from: Lucidor on March 07, 2010, 03:31:01 AM
It's the insulin that helps you put on weight, and that gets raised by the sugar. Also, falling and rising blood sugar levels make you hungrier and makes you eat more than a level blood sugar would.


Is that how it works in normal people? I've never quite understood the normal system, though I'm pretty well versed in the diabetic one.

My son, who's diabetic, has wildly fluctuating blood sugars some days, and on others, manages his blood sugar very well. His appetite never wavers based on the fluctuations, however. He is always ravenous. How much of this is because he's a 14-year-old boy and how much is because of his blood sugar numbers? I'm not sure.

I will say that the higher his blood sugar, the hungrier he becomes. (It doesn't matter what the fluctuations are. Just a consistent high number.) That is due to a LACK of insulin, rather than an increase in it. A high blood sugar is an indication that the insulin isn't there to help the body absorb the sugars, which means the body is starving, hence the crazy appetites. How that transcribes to a normal system, I don't know.
The theory that I read is when you eat something with a lot of refined sugars, your insulin is quickly released in massive quantities to take car of that sugar.  That would prove to be too much, which would eventually drop your blood sugar too far, and make you want to eat more.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 07, 2010, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Maximus on March 07, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: Brazen on March 07, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
The problem isn't the obvious sugar in sweet stuff, which we all need for the odd energy boost, it's the hidden stuff in savoury foods. I couldn't eat a load of stuff in the US as it just tasted so sweet with added corn syrup. Sweet steaks? No thanks.
Americans love putting sugar on meat. I haven't figured it out yet either.

WTF
Maybe they just want to sweeten the deal for the other person? :unsure:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 12:31:56 PM
eat extra protein with your sugar.  That'll even out the insulin.  So I hear.  Lucidor is the surgeon.  He should be teaching this class.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 07, 2010, 12:32:58 PM
Does that mean that I should eat a pack of Jack Link's beef jerky with a bar of Snickers?
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Sheilbh on March 07, 2010, 12:34:05 PM
I gave up sugar in my tea and coffee for lent and discovered that I don't like tea :weep:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 12:31:56 PM
eat extra protein with your sugar.  That'll even out the insulin.  So I hear.  Lucidor is the surgeon.  He should be teaching this class.

yeah but you got the sufficient sugar intake from veggies (especially potatoes) you eat with the meat. No need to add extra sugar (especially something as deadly as fructose corn syrup) to it as well.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 12:43:41 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 12:31:56 PM
eat extra protein with your sugar.  That'll even out the insulin.  So I hear.  Lucidor is the surgeon.  He should be teaching this class.

yeah but you got the sufficient sugar intake from veggies (especially potatoes) you eat with the meat. No need to add extra sugar (especially something as deadly as fructose corn syrup) to it as well.
Was half kidding.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 07, 2010, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 07, 2010, 12:34:05 PM
I gave up sugar in my tea and coffee for lent and discovered that I don't like tea :weep:
Same here.  I found out that coffee without sugar is much better than coffee with sugar, at least for good coffee, but the opposite held for tea.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
yeah but you got the sufficient sugar intake from veggies (especially potatoes) you eat with the meat. No need to add extra sugar (especially something as deadly as fructose corn syrup) to it as well.

Deadly? Um.. it's just another form of sugar, and no more deadly than molasses or honey.

As stated by the Mayo Clinic of Minnesota (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fructose-corn-syrup/an01588)
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
WTF

It's tasty. ^_^
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 07, 2010, 12:22:39 PM
The theory that I read is when you eat something with a lot of refined sugars, your insulin is quickly released in massive quantities to take car of that sugar.  That would prove to be too much, which would eventually drop your blood sugar too far, and make you want to eat more.

Okay, then it's very different in a normal person as opposed to a diabetic. When Jeremy's blood sugar is low, food is the last thing on his mind. He just starts to feel drunk, never hungry.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Caliga on March 07, 2010, 01:24:40 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
WTF

It's tasty. ^_^
This is the part where Marti will call you crazy, a glutton, or both. :)
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: alfred russel on March 07, 2010, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Maximus on March 07, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: Brazen on March 07, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
The problem isn't the obvious sugar in sweet stuff, which we all need for the odd energy boost, it's the hidden stuff in savoury foods. I couldn't eat a load of stuff in the US as it just tasted so sweet with added corn syrup. Sweet steaks? No thanks.
Americans love putting sugar on meat. I haven't figured it out yet either.

WTF

It sounds crazy, but the other day I had a filet mignon that had shoots of frosting inserted after it was cooked and was covered in a light frosting. Absolutely delicious--it was like a combination cake and steak with the best qualities from each. You really have to try it to understand that it works.

I've also had a hot dog prepared in a similar manner, but that wasn't nearly as good.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: alfred russel on March 07, 2010, 02:01:55 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 06, 2010, 03:31:21 PM
For a long time, I though that there is no such thing as bad food that's responsible for obesity.

Seriously? Wow.  :huh:

It isn't necessarily that crazy to believe that if you consume more calories than you burn, you gain weight, and the method of consumption isn't that important.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: crazy canuck on March 07, 2010, 02:19:53 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
yeah but you got the sufficient sugar intake from veggies (especially potatoes) you eat with the meat. No need to add extra sugar (especially something as deadly as fructose corn syrup) to it as well.

Deadly? Um.. it's just another form of sugar, and no more deadly than molasses or honey.

As stated by the Mayo Clinic of Minnesota (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fructose-corn-syrup/an01588)

Your link doesnt say that.....

Your link says the research is conflicting and that newer studies (some of which funded by the industry itself) suggests it is the same but the jury is still out.  The article then goes on to suggest ways to avoid foods with high-fructose corn syrop and other sweeteners.  also, the article does not mention molasses or honey.  It simply refers to "other sweetners" which may be other artificial sweeteners. The article does not make that clear.

There is a big debate about whether manufactured food is detrimental to health and you certainly cannot use your link to suggest the mayo clinic thinks its ok.



Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: Caliga on March 07, 2010, 01:24:40 PM
This is the part where Marti will call you crazy, a glutton, or both. :)

I can live with that so long as I still get my pineapple & honey glazed ham and my maple syrup drenched breakfast sausage. :mmm:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 02:21:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 07, 2010, 02:19:53 PM
Your link doesnt say that.....

Your link says the research is conflicting and that newer studies (some of which funded by the industry itself) suggests it is the same but the jury is still out.  The article then goes on to suggest ways to avoid foods with high-fructose corn syrop and other sweeteners.  also, the article does not mention molasses or honey.  It simply refers to "other sweetners" which may be other artificial sweeteners. The article does not make that clear.

There is a big debate about whether manufactured food is detrimental to health and you certainly cannot use your link to suggest the mayo clinic thinks its ok.

It certainly doesn't call it "deadly", which is the term that Marti used.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: The Brain on March 07, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
:pinch: Did someone cite the Mayo clinic? Yeah they don't have a horse in the fattening food race at all. No Sir.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 02:34:08 PM
 :huh:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 07, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 02:34:08 PM
:huh:

MAYOnnaise...
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 07, 2010, 02:19:53 PM
Your link doesnt say that.....

Your link says the research is conflicting and that newer studies (some of which funded by the industry itself) suggests it is the same but the jury is still out.  The article then goes on to suggest ways to avoid foods with high-fructose corn syrop and other sweeteners.  also, the article does not mention molasses or honey.  It simply refers to "other sweetners" which may be other artificial sweeteners. The article does not make that clear.

There is a big debate about whether manufactured food is detrimental to health and you certainly cannot use your link to suggest the mayo clinic thinks its ok.

Having looked into it a bit further, I stand corrected. HFCS is NOT like other sugars, in that it is considerably higher in fructose than other sugars, which is quite a big deal. My apologies for stating otherwise, however, I maintain that it is not "deadly", as Marti stated.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 07, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 02:34:08 PM
:huh:

MAYOnnaise...
More to the point, the more fatsos with blood pressure through the roof that that have heart attacks, the bigger their business.  Bastards.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Caliga on March 07, 2010, 02:52:47 PM
If high fructose corn syrup was actually deadly, the US would have a population of like 25 people, all of whom would be crazy food conspiracy types.  :blush:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Fate on March 07, 2010, 03:03:49 PM
Go on Marti, please explain your conspiracy theory on why five carbon sugars are deadly but six carbon sugars are good.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 07, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
More to the point, the more fatsos with blood pressure through the roof that that have heart attacks, the bigger their business.  Bastards.

Oh, I didn't think Brain was making a serious point.  :blush:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: The Brain on March 07, 2010, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 07, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
More to the point, the more fatsos with blood pressure through the roof that that have heart attacks, the bigger their business.  Bastards.

Oh, I didn't think Brain was making a serious point.  :blush:

:grr:

:Embarrass:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 03:36:04 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 07, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
More to the point, the more fatsos with blood pressure through the roof that that have heart attacks, the bigger their business.  Bastards.

Oh, I didn't think Brain was making a serious point.  :blush:
You hurt his feelings. Poor man is probably in an emotional death spiral now.  :cry:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: merithyn on March 07, 2010, 04:14:57 PM
Quote from: Fate on March 07, 2010, 03:03:49 PM
Go on Marti, please explain your conspiracy theory on why five carbon sugars are deadly but six carbon sugars are good.  :rolleyes:

Like CC said, the jury is out on the safety of HFCS.

MSNBC article saying it's fine in moderation (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29955927/)

Weston A. Price article saying it's not (http://www.westonaprice.org/The-Double-Danger-of-High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup.html)

And honestly, the more I read, the more confused I am. :(

Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Martinus on March 08, 2010, 03:26:36 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 07, 2010, 02:52:47 PM
If high fructose corn syrup was actually deadly, the US would have a population of like 25 people, all of whom would be crazy food conspiracy types.  :blush:

I used the word "deadly" to mean it is harmful as it causes obesity, not that it kills you. Sorry.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Martinus on March 08, 2010, 03:37:18 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 07, 2010, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Maximus on March 07, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: Brazen on March 07, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
The problem isn't the obvious sugar in sweet stuff, which we all need for the odd energy boost, it's the hidden stuff in savoury foods. I couldn't eat a load of stuff in the US as it just tasted so sweet with added corn syrup. Sweet steaks? No thanks.
Americans love putting sugar on meat. I haven't figured it out yet either.

WTF

It sounds crazy, but the other day I had a filet mignon that had shoots of frosting inserted after it was cooked and was covered in a light frosting. Absolutely delicious--it was like a combination cake and steak with the best qualities from each. You really have to try it to understand that it works.

I've also had a hot dog prepared in a similar manner, but that wasn't nearly as good.

Well, as long as you are not overweight, I guess it's fine.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Monoriu on March 08, 2010, 03:56:31 AM
The only way to lose weight is not to eat enough.  If I feel hungry all day, I will lose weight.  Simple and cost effective. 
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Lettow77 on March 08, 2010, 04:03:28 AM
 Sugar is delightful and delicious.
It is not a necessary evil, but a positive good.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Caliga on March 08, 2010, 05:51:20 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 08, 2010, 03:26:36 AM
I used the word "deadly" to mean it is harmful as it causes obesity, not that it kills you. Sorry.
My embarrassment was not directed at you but rather at my fellow Americans since we eat such an absurd amount of that stuff. -_-
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 08, 2010, 06:52:03 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 08, 2010, 03:37:18 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 07, 2010, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 07, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Maximus on March 07, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: Brazen on March 07, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
The problem isn't the obvious sugar in sweet stuff, which we all need for the odd energy boost, it's the hidden stuff in savoury foods. I couldn't eat a load of stuff in the US as it just tasted so sweet with added corn syrup. Sweet steaks? No thanks.
Americans love putting sugar on meat. I haven't figured it out yet either.

WTF

It sounds crazy, but the other day I had a filet mignon that had shoots of frosting inserted after it was cooked and was covered in a light frosting. Absolutely delicious--it was like a combination cake and steak with the best qualities from each. You really have to try it to understand that it works.

I've also had a hot dog prepared in a similar manner, but that wasn't nearly as good.

Well, as long as you are not overweight, I guess it's fine.
No it isn't.  Frosting? Filet migion? That's like pissing all over it.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Valdemar on March 08, 2010, 06:52:36 AM
Am I the only one who finds it amusing that DGuller's current title is Sugar Glider? :D

V
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 08, 2010, 10:02:34 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 08, 2010, 03:56:31 AM
The only way to lose weight is not to eat enough.  If I feel hungry all day, I will lose weight.  Simple and cost effective.
Not simple at all.  If you feel hungry all day, then you're very unlikely to stick with your diet for long.  The holy grail of dieting is losing weight without needing enormous willpower 24/7.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 08, 2010, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 08, 2010, 10:02:34 AM
Not simple at all.  If you feel hungry all day, then you're very unlikely to stick with your diet for long.  The holy grail of dieting is losing weight without needing enormous willpower 24/7.

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Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 08, 2010, 10:34:49 AM
Yep.  Tapeworms are the only diet tool that actually work.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Malthus on March 08, 2010, 10:38:52 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 08, 2010, 10:34:49 AM
Yep.  Tapeworms are the only diet tool that actually work.

Not sure I understand why though.

I get that the tapeworms are getting much of the sustenance out of your food; but aren't the *tapeworms* getting fat off of it? Since they are inside you, you would weigh as much as before!  :P
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 08, 2010, 10:45:35 AM
I'm guessing they have a much higher metabolism than we do.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DisturbedPervert on March 08, 2010, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 08, 2010, 10:02:34 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 08, 2010, 03:56:31 AM
The only way to lose weight is not to eat enough.  If I feel hungry all day, I will lose weight.  Simple and cost effective.
Not simple at all.  If you feel hungry all day, then you're very unlikely to stick with your diet for long.  The holy grail of dieting is losing weight without needing enormous willpower 24/7.

Herion will take care of the hunger
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: DGuller on March 08, 2010, 10:48:22 AM
Thank you, Wiggin.  Now I'm losing weight not only from reduced appetite, but also from increased vomiting.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 08, 2010, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 08, 2010, 10:48:22 AM
Thank you, Wiggin.  Now I'm losing weight not only from reduced appetite, but also from increased vomiting.

You're quite welcome. :)
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 08, 2010, 10:51:13 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 08, 2010, 10:38:52 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 08, 2010, 10:34:49 AM
Yep.  Tapeworms are the only diet tool that actually work.

Not sure I understand why though.

I get that the tapeworms are getting much of the sustenance out of your food; but aren't the *tapeworms* getting fat off of it? Since they are inside you, you would weigh as much as before!  :P
Duh.  You take the anti-tapeworm pills (eventually) and then crap it out.  As it slowly decomposes inside of you or you slowly ease it out of your rear end you lose weight! 
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Malthus on March 08, 2010, 11:01:28 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 08, 2010, 10:45:35 AM
I'm guessing they have a much higher metabolism than we do.

Why? All they do is hang around doing nothing but eating shit all day.

Sort of like some folks I could name ...  :D
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Malthus on March 08, 2010, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 08, 2010, 10:51:13 AM
Duh.  You take the anti-tapeworm pills (eventually) and then crap it out.  As it slowly decomposes inside of you or you slowly ease it out of your rear end you lose weight!

:lol:

Mere contemplation of this process is useful in reducing appetite.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 08, 2010, 11:12:11 AM
Well, having looked into the matter, it doesn't appear there's any evidence that tapeworms really do help you lose weight.
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: HVC on March 08, 2010, 11:20:13 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 08, 2010, 11:01:28 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 08, 2010, 10:45:35 AM
I'm guessing they have a much higher metabolism than we do.

Why? All they do is hang around doing nothing but eating shit all day.

Sort of like some folks I could name ...  :D
Sure you'll weigh the same but look svelte thanks to all the lost calories, vitamins, and minerals. Who needs to be healthy when you look fabulous :D
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 08, 2010, 11:22:47 AM
It's funny, I could have sworn there were four misspelled words in that post a second ago.  :P
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: HVC on March 08, 2010, 11:24:28 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 08, 2010, 11:22:47 AM
It's funny, I could have sworn there were four misspelled words in that post a second ago.  :P
there were a couple, yes :lol:
Title: Re: Quitting sugar
Post by: Jaron on March 08, 2010, 02:03:36 PM
Wake up America, the GOP WANTS us hooked on this stuff. Then in 2012 on the very eve of the Obama landslide (take 2) they will say "You want the good stuff? Better vote for Sarah "Sugar Mama" Palin!!!




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