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Title: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 11:28:19 AM
QuoteVatican Hit By Gay Sex Scandal

The Vatican has been thrown into chaos by reports that one of the Pope's ceremonial ushers, as well as a member of the elite Vatican choir, were involved in a homosexual prostitution ring.

The allegations came to light after Italian newspapers published transcripts of phone calls recorded by police, who had been conducting an unrelated corruption investigation.

The tapes appear to record Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Nigerian Vatican chorister, about men he wanted brought to him for sexual purposes. Balducci was allegedly paying 2,000 euros ($2,714) for each man he met, according to the Irish Times.

Balducci is recorded describing precise physical details of the men he wanted. The transcripts record that during five months in 2008, Ehiem procured for Balducci at least 10 contacts with, among others, "two black Cuban lads," a former male model from Naples, and a rugby player from Rome.


A report by the Italian Carabinieri on the case said: "In order to organize casual encounters of a sexual nature, he availed himself of the intercession of two individuals who, it is maintained, may form part of an organized network, especially active in [Rome], of exploiters or at least facilitators of male prostitution."

The police probe into corruption resulted in Balducci and 4 others being arrested. Allegations of prostitution were only revealed later, and have resulted in Ehiem's dismissal from the Vatican choir.

Balducci held a high position within the Vatican and was one of the priests who carried the coffin of Pope John Paul at his 2005 funeral. He has now lost his position as a Gentleman of the Holiness. His trial for corruption is still pending.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/05/vatican-hit-by-gay-sex-sc_n_486218.html

Damn, I should have taken the cloth, it seems. :pope:
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Syt on March 05, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
I thought this would be about the number of cases of child abuse uncovered in the German Cathophilic church?
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: The Brain on March 05, 2010, 11:41:46 AM
2,000 a pop? Could get a fucking stroller for that money.
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 11:45:07 AM
Yeah. The fucker spoils the market.
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: sbr on March 05, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Syt on March 05, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
I thought this would be about the number of cases of child abuse uncovered in the German Cathophilic church?

Maybe we should start tagging the threads that are NOT gay related.
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Ed Anger on March 05, 2010, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: sbr on March 05, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Syt on March 05, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
I thought this would be about the number of cases of child abuse uncovered in the German Cathophilic church?

Maybe we should start tagging the threads that are NOT gay related.

OMGWTFBBQ
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: The Brain on March 05, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: sbr on March 05, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Syt on March 05, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
I thought this would be about the number of cases of child abuse uncovered in the German Cathophilic church?

Maybe we should start tagging the threads that are NOT gay related.

Sports threads.  :yuk:
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: DGuller on March 05, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
Here's one thing I don't get: if you're a priest and you set your mind on screwing, why not do the real thing?  Why stick only the boys or the men?  You've already decided to break the vow of celibacy, you might as well get the best bang for your buck.
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: The Brain on March 05, 2010, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 05, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
Here's one thing I don't get: if you're a priest and you set your mind on screwing, why not do the real thing?  Why stick only the boys or the men?  You've already decided to break the vow of celibacy, you might as well get the best bang for your buck.

Why would homosexuals prefer women?
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 11:56:34 AM
Quote from: The Brain on March 05, 2010, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 05, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
Here's one thing I don't get: if you're a priest and you set your mind on screwing, why not do the real thing?  Why stick only the boys or the men?  You've already decided to break the vow of celibacy, you might as well get the best bang for your buck.

Why would homosexuals prefer women?

LOL exactly.
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: DGuller on March 05, 2010, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 11:56:34 AM
Quote from: The Brain on March 05, 2010, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 05, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
Here's one thing I don't get: if you're a priest and you set your mind on screwing, why not do the real thing?  Why stick only the boys or the men?  You've already decided to break the vow of celibacy, you might as well get the best bang for your buck.

Why would homosexuals prefer women?

LOL exactly.
Are you saying that all priests are homosexual?
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 05, 2010, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 11:56:34 AM
Quote from: The Brain on March 05, 2010, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 05, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
Here's one thing I don't get: if you're a priest and you set your mind on screwing, why not do the real thing?  Why stick only the boys or the men?  You've already decided to break the vow of celibacy, you might as well get the best bang for your buck.

Why would homosexuals prefer women?

LOL exactly.
Are you saying that all priests are homosexual?

I think that gay people (and other non-heterosexual people, including asexual people and also deviants, like pedophiles) are most likely over-represented among priests. This is because celibate priesthood (especially of a non-sexually-permissive religion) tends to select for people who already have problems with their sexuality and seek priesthood as a way to redeem/"cure" themselves.
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Berkut on March 05, 2010, 12:09:24 PM
Did Marty just say that gay people "have problems with their sexuality"?
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Syt on March 05, 2010, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 05, 2010, 12:09:24 PM
Did Marty just say that gay people "have problems with their sexuality"?

I also never thought he'd say that gays are *over*-represented anywhere.
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Malthus on March 05, 2010, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 12:07:10 PM
I think that gay people (and other non-heterosexual people, including asexual people and also deviants, like pedophiles) are most likely over-represented among priests. This is because celibate priesthood (especially of a non-sexually-permissive religion) tends to select for people who already have problems with their sexuality and seek priesthood as a way to redeem/"cure" themselves.

The more obvious explaination is that joining a supposedly celebate priesthood is a great answer to the "why are you not married?" question for guys sexually uninterested in (adult) women. 
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 12:18:21 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 05, 2010, 12:09:24 PM
Did Marty just say that gay people "have problems with their sexuality"?

Are you saying that religious Christian people do not have problems with accepting their homosexuality? Why would Catholics be different?
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 05, 2010, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 05, 2010, 12:07:10 PM
I think that gay people (and other non-heterosexual people, including asexual people and also deviants, like pedophiles) are most likely over-represented among priests. This is because celibate priesthood (especially of a non-sexually-permissive religion) tends to select for people who already have problems with their sexuality and seek priesthood as a way to redeem/"cure" themselves.

The more obvious explaination is that joining a supposedly celebate priesthood is a great answer to the "why are you not married?" question for guys sexually uninterested in (adult) women.

That too. But being myself a gay guy who considered becoming a priest for a while in his life, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot gay Catholic guys go along with that idea.
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: DGuller on March 05, 2010, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 05, 2010, 12:09:24 PM
Did Marty just say that gay people "have problems with their sexuality"?
That wasn't the trap I was going for, that's much better.  :w00t:
Title: Re: Vatican Returns to Its Proud Renaissance Traditions
Post by: garbon on March 05, 2010, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 05, 2010, 12:09:24 PM
Did Marty just say that gay people "have problems with their sexuality"?

No, but we do have plenty of Ted Haggards. :(