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This is my first poll, so go easy on me if I fuck this up.

As I was watching Olympics, I found myself turned off by Linsey Vonn, and even started to strongly dislike her.  Her shin and the rest of her give me the vibe of a major attention whore.  As I shared by feelings with other people, I was surprised to learn that they felt the same way.  What does Languish think?

I'd love...to stick my penis in her ample ass.

She has a nice ass.  So I suppose that's a positive opinion.

Like Bode Miller before her, she was built up because she was one of USA's best bets to medal and that she is attractive sure didn't hurt.

Personally  it's been meh, i haven't really been watching Olympics fluff coverage.

The US media coverage of her is way over the top, but you can't really blame her for that.  Though like anyone who gets that treatment - Tiger Woods, Tim Tebow- Tom Brady- it makes it very hard to like them even though it is not directly their fault.

And yes I would stick my thumb up her butt.

What is there to dislike about her?

I didn't really follow her story enough to form a strong opinion one way or the other. She seems like a damn good skier, and she won the US some medals, so that seems good enough for me.

Am I missing something horrible?

Just a vibe more than anything else. 

If I had to identify the moment, it would be the endless saga about the shin.  That has to be the most famous shin in the world.  It was also a very convenient shin.  If you fail, you got an excuse.  If you succeed, you got an enormous obstacle that you heroically overcame.  Before either happens, you get to give interviews after interviews with minute-by-minute updates on the well-being of your shin.

The second moment would be the crying that went on and on and on after she won the gold, and didn't stop until the camera stopped pointing in her face.  Please.  Lots of people cry when they win, even men do, but the uncontrollable sobbing that lasts minutes?  That's just creepy.

Well, she grew up with her German rival Maria Riesch, speaks fluent German and is married to an Austrian. Actually, I know some Austrians who thought she'd be starting for Austria, not the U.S.

Since I think that alpine women's skiing is a club of stuck up, prissy bitches I vote "meh".

Quote from: Syt on February 23, 2010, 12:00:45 PM
Since I think that alpine women's skiing is a club of stuck up, prissy bitches I vote "meh".

Not had much luck with them, eh?  :hug:

This seems like yet another "I don't like someone because they're getting too much media coverage".

She's fine, and if the coverage annoys you turn it off.

Easy on the eyes but no opinion on her. But I sure love Jaron (even if I recently noticed he defriended me on facebook at some point).

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 11:59:16 AM
Just a vibe more than anything else. 

If I had to identify the moment, it would be the endless saga about the shin.  That has to be the most famous shin in the world.  It was also a very convenient shin.  If you fail, you got an excuse.  If you succeed, you got an enormous obstacle that you heroically overcame.  Before either happens, you get to give interviews after interviews with minute-by-minute updates on the well-being of your shin.

The second moment would be the crying that went on and on and on after she won the gold, and didn't stop until the camera stopped pointing in her face.  Please.  Lots of people cry when they win, even men do, but the uncontrollable sobbing that lasts minutes?  That's just creepy.

She won the 2008 and 2009 World Championships. I don't think she really needs to invent injuries in order to create an excuse in case she doesn't win. What an odd accusation to make - does she have a history of fake injuries or something?

How do you know the sobbing stopped when the camera was no longer pointed at her face, since presumably you could no longer see her? Are you saying that the crying, along with the shin injury, was faked?

Maybe she should be getting an Oscar instead of a gold medal, since she apparently planned out this fake injury so she could excuse the fake crying after her not so fake gold medal.

Dude, unless you know something I do not, you are the biggest killjoy over Olympic emotions ever. The girl won a freaking gold medal, and she got emotional. So what. Nobody forced NBC to shove a camera in her face afterward. Your problem with her is way more creepy than her crying... :huh:

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on February 23, 2010, 12:04:34 PM

Quote from: Syt on February 23, 2010, 12:00:45 PM
Since I think that alpine women's skiing is a club of stuck up, prissy bitches I vote "meh".

Not had much luck with them, eh?  :hug:

Nothing to do with that. But if I had known that Austria has mountains I would have stayed in Holstein!  :mad:

Big who.
Von What I say.

Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 12:13:58 PM
She won the 2008 and 2009 World Championships. I don't think she really needs to invent injuries in order to create an excuse in case she doesn't win. What an odd accusation to make - does she have a history of fake injuries or something?

How do you know the sobbing stopped when the camera was no longer pointed at her face, since presumably you could no longer see her? Are you saying that the crying, along with the shin injury, was faked?

Maybe she should be getting an Oscar instead of a gold medal, since she apparently planned out this fake injury so she could excuse the fake crying after her not so fake gold medal.

Dude, unless you know something I do not, you are the biggest killjoy over Olympic emotions ever. The girl won a freaking gold medal, and she got emotional. So what. Nobody forced NBC to shove a camera in her face afterward. Your problem with her is way more creepy than her crying... :huh:

I have heard other media outlets saying the same thing about her shin injury, of course that just comes back to the root of the problem, too much media coverage.

Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 12:13:58 PM

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 11:59:16 AM
Just a vibe more than anything else. 

If I had to identify the moment, it would be the endless saga about the shin.  That has to be the most famous shin in the world.  It was also a very convenient shin.  If you fail, you got an excuse.  If you succeed, you got an enormous obstacle that you heroically overcame.  Before either happens, you get to give interviews after interviews with minute-by-minute updates on the well-being of your shin.

The second moment would be the crying that went on and on and on after she won the gold, and didn't stop until the camera stopped pointing in her face.  Please.  Lots of people cry when they win, even men do, but the uncontrollable sobbing that lasts minutes?  That's just creepy.

She won the 2008 and 2009 World Championships. I don't think she really needs to invent injuries in order to create an excuse in case she doesn't win. What an odd accusation to make - does she have a history of fake injuries or something?

How do you know the sobbing stopped when the camera was no longer pointed at her face, since presumably you could no longer see her? Are you saying that the crying, along with the shin injury, was faked?

Maybe she should be getting an Oscar instead of a gold medal, since she apparently planned out this fake injury so she could excuse the fake crying after her not so fake gold medal.

Dude, unless you know something I do not, you are the biggest killjoy over Olympic emotions ever. The girl won a freaking gold medal, and she got emotional. So what. Nobody forced NBC to shove a camera in her face afterward. Your problem with her is way more creepy than her crying... :huh:

Not faking, exaggerating for attention.  Skiers compete hurt all the time, some even after falling at 90 mph the day before.  Sorry if I'm not uniquely impressed by the plight of her bruised shin.

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 12:20:50 PM

Not faking, exaggerating for attention.  Skiers compete hurt all the time, some even after falling at 90 mph the day before.  Sorry if I'm not uniquely impressed by the plight of her bruised shin.

I'm not uniquely impressed either - but I am not uniquely distressed by it, which is more to the point.

When the favorite is injured, it is a story. I don't like prima donna athletes anymore than you do, believe me, I just don't see what makes her more of a prima donna than anyone else. She got hurt, of course they are going to ask her about the injury, and she is going to answer. I don't see where she exaggerated it, but like I said, maybe you saw more than I did.

I certainly don't see how you can conclude that her crying was exaggerated - I mean, I suppose it could be, but how can you tell? I think I saw what you were talking about, and I probably even thought it was a bit silly, but it never really crossed my mind that she was faking it.

I guess I am just not as cynical as you.

Don't know who she is

Quote from: sbr on February 23, 2010, 11:46:34 AM
The US media coverage of her is way over the top, but you can't really blame her for that.  Though like anyone who gets that treatment - Tiger Woods, Tim Tebow- Tom Brady- it makes it very hard to like them even though it is not directly their fault.

I like Tiger a lot more now then I did a few months ago.  Seems less like a robot or space alien

QuoteLindsey Vonn mocks Tiger Woods: 'I too have a sex problem'
BY Nathaniel Vinton
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Originally Published:Sunday, February 21st 2010, 4:22 PM
Updated: Sunday, February 21st 2010, 10:31 PM

'WHISTLER, B.C. - It doesn't show up in the medal count, but on Friday morning Lindsey Vonn won a gold medal in candor.

In a story posted at Time.com, the double medalist is quoted as mocking disgraced golfer Tiger Woods for the carefully scripted televised statement Woods read on Friday. The story recounts how Vonn, hanging out with her entourage on Friday at the Olympics, was told about the hugs that Woods got from supporters after reaching the end of his statement.

"They're like, 'Yeah, you're awesome, you go have that sex," Vonn is quoted as saying. The story then describes Vonn imagining herself in a Saturday Night Live skit, pretending to read a solemn apology from a podium.

"There's something you don't know about me," Vonn is quoted as saying, pretending to read a solemn script. "Tiger, you're like my idol, and I too have a sex problem."

The story, written by Sean Gregory, says this bit of ribaldry took place at the USA House, a space rented by the U.S. Olympic Committee for its athletes, staff, sponsors, families, and other supporters to congregate during the Games.

Vonn was there Friday, and several people present say they didn't know her words were being recorded. Her husband and adviser, Thomas Vonn, did not reply to requests for comment.

Gregory, the Time.com author of the story, posted a Tweet saying his publication stood by its reporting and that "L. Vonn's comments about Tiger Woods were not off-the-record."

Perhaps the most delicious irony of the episode is that Vonn, like Woods, is managed by IMG, the same talent agency that devised Woods' carefully scripted performance on Friday.

Kick them when they're down, that's what I say.

Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 12:24:54 PM
I'm not uniquely impressed either - but I am not uniquely distressed by it, which is more to the point.

The point is that skiers typically don't turn their injuries into a saga, they just go on with it.

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When the favorite is injured, it is a story. I don't like prima donna athletes anymore than you do, believe me, I just don't see what makes her more of a prima donna than anyone else. She got hurt, of course they are going to ask her about the injury, and she is going to answer. I don't see where she exaggerated it, but like I said, maybe you saw more than I did.

My impression was that the story wasn't just generated by NBC, with Lindsey just being there answering questions.

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I guess I am just not as cynical as you.

I'm usually not cynical, but when someone starts to very actively build their image and name recognition to the world at large, and shortly after that has a public emotional drama or two, I think it's natural to feel suspicious.

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 11:59:16 AM
If I had to identify the moment, it would be the endless saga about the shin.  That has to be the most famous shin in the world.  It was also a very convenient shin.  If you fail, you got an excuse.  If you succeed, you got an enormous obstacle that you heroically overcame.  Before either happens, you get to give interviews after interviews with minute-by-minute updates on the well-being of your shin.

It's the American way.  :swiss:

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 12:24:54 PM
I'm not uniquely impressed either - but I am not uniquely distressed by it, which is more to the point.

The point is that skiers typically don't turn their injuries into a saga, they just go on with it.

Again, perhaps you have seen something I have not...what has she done to "turn her injury into a saga". Not what has the media done, but what has SHE done?

I honestly do not know - I imagine there is something, or else you would not have this unique distress over her.

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When the favorite is injured, it is a story. I don't like prima donna athletes anymore than you do, believe me, I just don't see what makes her more of a prima donna than anyone else. She got hurt, of course they are going to ask her about the injury, and she is going to answer. I don't see where she exaggerated it, but like I said, maybe you saw more than I did.

My impression was that the story wasn't just generated by NBC, with Lindsey just being there answering questions.

Oh, I see. Where did this impression come from, since I think I missed whatever it was that gave that impression. I thought she got hurt, she was the #1 skier in her event, her being hurt was news (probably overstated news, but the media has a lot of time to fill at the Olympics, so they tend to over-report any actual story), and I didn't really see anything about HER pushing the story.

Like I said, I must have missed something.

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I guess I am just not as cynical as you.

I'm usually not cynical, but when someone starts to very actively build their image and name recognition to the world at large, and shortly after that has a public emotional drama or two, I think it's natural to feel suspicious.

What has she done that is so active?

What was the "public emotional drama or two" - her crying after she won a gold medal? How can you tell that was faked - I am still curious about that. At the very least, isn't that just one drama, and not a very dramatic drama at that, and the only reason it is public is because she did in fact win the gold medal in public, and the crying came right after it?

Assuming the crying was genuine (and she is a damn good actress if she can break into tears on demand if it wasn't) how would she have done so such that it would NOT be in public? Maybe she could have asked to ski her event in private somewhere?

I'm guessing Dguller is just emotionally exhausted from the whole ordeal.  Either that, or she personally told him she'd never have sex with him even if she won a gold medal at the Olympics.

Meh, I'll pass, this topic isn't important enough to have a protracted debate over.

Quote from: Razgovory on February 23, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
I'm guessing Dguller is just emotionally exhausted from the whole ordeal.  Either that, or she personally told him she'd never have sex with him even if she won a gold medal at the Olympics.

My guess is that she told him the only way she'd have sex with him was if he won a gold medal at the Olympics, he misunderstood, and the denouement has left him bitter.

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 01:22:53 PM
Meh, I'll pass, this topic isn't important enough to have a protracted debate over.

Well, you learned that you know how to do a poll, so it was worth doing.

It remains to be seen if you know when to do a poll, though.  :ph34r:

Quote from: grumbler on February 23, 2010, 01:23:45 PM

Quote from: Razgovory on February 23, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
I'm guessing Dguller is just emotionally exhausted from the whole ordeal.  Either that, or she personally told him she'd never have sex with him even if she won a gold medal at the Olympics.

My guess is that she told him the only way she'd have sex with him was if he won a gold medal at the Olympics, he misunderstood, and the denouement has left him bitter.

If only he went in to skiing instead of becoming an actuary.

Quote from: Razgovory on February 23, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
I'm guessing Dguller is just emotionally exhausted from the whole ordeal.  Either that, or she personally told him she'd never have sex with him even if she won a gold medal at the Olympics.

I guess I am scarred in some way.  As a racing fan, these days I want to gag when hearing "Danica Patrick".  If there ever was a vapid marketing excercise disguised as a sports person, she is it.  Of course, it isn't fair to Vonn, unlike Patrick she's actually good at what she does.

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 01:22:53 PM
Meh, I'll pass, this topic isn't important enough to have a protracted debate over.

probably true. I don't even know that you are wrong even - I am just trying to figure out where the "vibe" came from. You are pretty uniquely nasty to her, so I am guessing it has to come from something.

So far the poll shows that your unique contempt for her is unique in that it isn't shared by anyone else as well.

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 01:26:52 PM

Quote from: Razgovory on February 23, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
I'm guessing Dguller is just emotionally exhausted from the whole ordeal.  Either that, or she personally told him she'd never have sex with him even if she won a gold medal at the Olympics.

I guess I am scarred in some way.  As a racing fan, these days I want to gag when hearing "Danica Patrick".  If there ever was a vapid marketing excercise disguised as a sports person, she is it.  Of course, it isn't fair to Vonn, unlike Patrick she's actually good at what she does.

Hmmmm, we might be making some progress here in figuring out your "unique" contempt for particular sports figures. Why do you reserve this contempt for the marketing of sports figures to only women?

Tell us about your mother.

Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
Tell us about your mother.

She's a very amazing person.  She can't stand Vonn either.

I don't watch television.

Quote from: Caliga on February 23, 2010, 01:33:34 PM
I don't watch television.

Communist. That is why you'll never be a Kentucky Colonel.

She seems fuckable enough.

Quote from: The Brain on February 23, 2010, 02:29:59 PM
She seems fuckable enough.

:o

But she walks around  only on two legs!

 :huh:

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I didn't know your interests were so varied Brainiac.

Quote from: katmai on February 23, 2010, 02:32:41 PM

Quote from: The Brain on February 23, 2010, 02:29:59 PM
She seems fuckable enough.

:o

But she walks around  only on two legs!

i'm sure she'd be agreeable to being put on all fours :P

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Quote from: katmai on February 23, 2010, 02:32:41 PM

Quote from: The Brain on February 23, 2010, 02:29:59 PM
She seems fuckable enough.

:o

But she walks around  only on two legs!

i'm sure she'd be agreeable to being put on all fours :P

As long as you don't kick her shin.

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 01:33:02 PM

Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
Tell us about your mother.

She's a very amazing person.  She can't stand Vonn either.

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She seems fuckable enough.

I'm guessing that unlike most of the male posters here, DGuller's mother doesn't look at Vonn as a potential sex partner, so this wouldn't inprove her opinion of Vonn any.  Or did you mean that DGuller's mom seems fuckable enough?

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 01:26:52 PM
I guess I am scarred in some way.  As a racing fan, these days I want to gag when hearing "Danica Patrick".  If there ever was a vapid marketing excercise disguised as a sports person, she is it.  Of course, it isn't fair to Vonn, unlike Patrick she's actually good at what she does.

Patrick has won a race and managed to finish third in the Indy 500. She may not be the next Mario Andretti, but that counts as "good at what she does" imo. Plus, if she was racing other women she'd probably win a lot more.

As for Vonn, she's a great athlete, attractive, and winning medals for Team USA. What's not to like?

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2010, 04:36:34 PM
Patrick has won a race and managed to finish third in the Indy 500. She may not be the next Mario Andretti, but that counts as "good at what she does" imo. Plus, if she was racing other women she'd probably win a lot more.

:yes:

QuoteAs for Vonn, she's a great athlete, attractive, and winning medals for Team USA. What's not to like?

:yes:

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2010, 04:36:34 PM
Patrick has won a race and managed to finish third in the Indy 500. She may not be the next Mario Andretti, but that counts as "good at what she does" imo.

Not really.  Indycar talent pool is incredibly shallow these days.  Winning one race on fuel economy, in 5 years, in a top car, means very little.  Marco Andretti won a race as well, and nearly won the Indy 500, but I don't think anyone other than his dad/boss still think that he's capable of anything.  Patrick may be competent in her little niche, but she's not good at all.

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 05:16:53 PM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2010, 04:36:34 PM
Patrick has won a race and managed to finish third in the Indy 500. She may not be the next Mario Andretti, but that counts as "good at what she does" imo.

Not really.  Indycar talent pool is incredibly shallow these days.  Winning one race on fuel economy, in 5 years, in a top car, means very little.  Marco Andretti won a race as well, and nearly won the Indy 500, but I don't think anyone other than his dad/boss still think that he's capable of anything.  Patrick may be competent in her little niche, but she's not good at all.

So if you were one of the Top 15 actuaries in the country, but not #1 would you be "not good at all" as well?

Quote from: sbr on February 23, 2010, 05:20:49 PM


So if you were one of the Top 15 actuaries in the country, but not #1 would you be "not good at all" as well?

Only the top 5 get endorsement deals.

DG, if you compare her to other professional race car drivers she may be mediocre or even poor. But if you compare her to everyone who *wants* to be a professional race car driver, she's obviously one of the best. Even the most marketable athletes need to achieve a certain level of performance to be kept on(or Michael Jordan would have been filling seats in Comiskey Park instead of Birmingham, Ala.)

Quote from: sbr on February 23, 2010, 05:20:49 PM
So if you were one of the Top 15 actuaries in the country, but not #1 would you be "not good at all" as well?

That's a terrible analogy, and it opens the door to a whole bunch of other terrible analogies.  The goal in any kind of sport is to beat the other people.  If you can't achieve that goal often enough, you're just not good, and don't deserve any hype.  Any terrible athlete is still in the 99th percentile of the population, but that's irrelevant.  Racecar drivers are not evaluated on their absolute driving skills, they're evaluated on their ability to win.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2010, 05:26:24 PM
DG, if you compare her to other professional race car drivers she may be mediocre or even poor. But if you compare her to everyone who *wants* to be a professional race car driver, she's obviously one of the best.

Is that the standard for evaluating top athletes now?

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 05:34:45 PM
Is that the standard for evaluating top athletes now?

If they weren't good at what they did, there'd be plenty of people poised to take their job. So yeah.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2010, 05:42:32 PM

Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2010, 05:34:45 PM
Is that the standard for evaluating top athletes now?

If they weren't good at what they did, there'd be plenty of people poised to take their job. So yeah.

Even assuming the validity of your argument, it doesn't work that way in racing.  Racing unfortunately is not meritocracy, especially not Indycar racing, which is a living corpse these days, threatening to become a dead corpse every off-season.  The teams are just struggling to survive, and often take on drivers who would pay rather than be paid to drive. 

Being able to bring money is a huge part of success for an open-wheel driver.  Danica will not be in danger of losing her seat as long as she's physically able to turn the steering wheel and push the pedals (and doesn't lose her marketing appeal for some reason, obviously).  Her impending NASCAR fiasco will show just how low she ranks on the driving ability alone.

So DGuller hates woman and is curious about giving oral sex to men...i don't even have to finish the conclusion do I?

While I normally don't agree with DorseyGullermeister, I join him in his hatred of Danica. I wish Earnhardt Sr. was still alive to drive her bitch ass ass into the wall.

She is meh and not that attractive for all the hype.

Quote from: Razgovory on February 23, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
I'm guessing Dguller is just emotionally exhausted from the whole ordeal.  Either that, or she personally told him she'd never have sex with him even if she won a gold medal at the Olympics.

I told him I wouldn't ever have sex with him again. No big.

I have no opinion of Downhill skiiers. Boring ass sport.

The canadian chick who won the ski cross is way hotter.

She was on the Colbert report.  She seemed nice enough.

She was laughing too much.  :mad:

Quote from: DGuller on February 24, 2010, 12:24:19 PM
She was laughing too much.  :mad:

I was laughing too.

.... aaaand she crashed again.

Quote from: Strix on February 23, 2010, 07:14:28 PM
She is meh and not that attractive for all the hype.

She's cute, but she's not HOTT.  Needs implants.

I don't see any evidence that she's not a good enough to be a professional race care driver.  She may not be good enough to win much, or even be in contention on a regular basis, though she's inexperienced enough that she stil could get better.  But most drivers on the racing circuit aren't good enough to be in contention on a regular basis.

A better analogy than the actuary analogy would be with golf.  Most golfers on the tour aren't good enough to win against the top players, but they're good enough to keep their tour cards and make a living from the sport.  It's not a perfect analogy, because on the PGA tour, the top players sit out a fair number of the less important events, giving the lesser players a chance to win a few, which doesn't really happen in NASCAR (who knows what goes on in Indy racing outside of the Indy 500).

There's also the gender issue- Patrick is easily the greatest female race car driver we know of. Auto racing may not exactly be a sport, but it's still definitely something men do better at. It's not fair to say she's bad at it because she gets beaten by men while not holding Vonn or Sorenstam or the Williams sisters to the same standard.

Quote from: dps on February 24, 2010, 04:48:26 PM
I don't see any evidence that she's not a good enough to be a professional race care driver.  She may not be good enough to win much, or even be in contention on a regular basis, though she's inexperienced enough that she stil could get better.  But most drivers on the racing circuit aren't good enough to be in contention on a regular basis.

I don't think anyone claims that she's incompetent.  She can drive the car fast, not be dead last in the field most of the time, and not be a hazard on the track.  The issue is with having such an also-ran be constantly shoved down everyone's throats, which doesn't happen with other middling drivers. 

A couple of years ago Indycar racing was nearly unwatchable on TV, mainly because Danica was getting more coverage than the rest of the race combined, and ridiculous undeserved praise to go with it.  As an example of how comic it got, she was once praised for having the composure to be able to lift up the visor of her helmet. 

You can say that it's not Danica's fault for being covered so much, but that's not entirely true.  She's certainly playing along with the hype machine, she actually bought into it, and as a result developed quite an unpleasant and ill-tempered personality.  She's gotten better at it in the last year, since she started looking very bad with having her screaming tirades over the radio broadcast on TV.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 24, 2010, 05:08:49 PM
There's also the gender issue- Patrick is easily the greatest female race car driver we know of. Auto racing may not exactly be a sport, but it's still definitely something men do better at. It's not fair to say she's bad at it because she gets beaten by men while not holding Vonn or Sorenstam or the Williams sisters to the same standard.

The good thing about racing is that women are not at a physical disadvantage over men, so there is no need to segregate them.  You do need to be fit to be a good driver, but being fit is different than pushing your body to the absolute physical limits.  Racing is mainly a mental sport, which is why it fascinates me so much. 

The biggest reason that there aren't more women racing is because there just aren't that many women racing, period.  It's just not something that girls get into when they're in their teens (or even much younger than that).  Those that do are the exception rather than the rule.

I'm gonna join with Berkut and say that i now have realized the DGuller's fixation on mediocre or better women athletes is kinda creepy.

I cannot fathom why he cares.  I certainly don't.  I recognize that sports these days are about advertising sales, for the most part.  Athletes are actors as much as they are performers, because that is what gets them the bucks.  If mediocre athletes with better acting skills get better bucks than better athletes with mediocre acting skills, I see that as survival of the fittest.