Could Delta just send them tribute of earth and water instead? :unsure:
QuoteIran to ban airlines not using the term 'Persian Gulf'
By Jon Leyne
BBC News
Airlines that fail to comply with the ruling will be banned or detained
Iran has warned that airlines will be banned from flying into its airspace, unless they use the term "Persian Gulf" on their in-flight monitors.
The transport minister has threatened to impound planes that fail to comply.
The nation is most insistent that the stretch of water separating it from its southern neighbours should be known as the Persian Gulf.
To call it the Gulf, annoys the authorities; to call it the Arabian Gulf, infuriates them even more.
And recently a foreign member of the cabin crew working for an Iranian airline was sacked and expelled from Iran when he got it wrong.
Now the Iranian transport minister has given foreign airlines 15 days to change the name to Persian Gulf on their in flight monitors.
If they failed, they would be prevented from entering Iranian airspace, he warned.
And if the offence was repeated, foreign airliners would be grounded and refused permission to leave Iran.
Numerous Arab airlines fly into Iran every day, not to mention Europeans and others, so it remains to be seen how they will respond.
As for the minister, Hamid Behbahani, it may or may not be a coincidence that he is making a stand on this patriotic matter at a time when he is facing calls for his impeachment for alleged lack of competence.
Sweet, nice move Iran.... once again. Such a basket case government running that place. <_<
Quote from: KRonn on February 22, 2010, 02:04:54 PM
Sweet, nice move Iran.... once again. Such a basket case government running that place. <_<
Who knew the French were running that place now?
QuoteIran has warned that airlines will be banned from flying into its airspace, unless they use the term "Persian Gulf" on their in-flight monitors.
At least they don't discuss switching off those inflight monitors. :P
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Not liking to call it the Arabian Gulf is fair enough, it is the Persian Gulf. But being against the shortened form the Gulf? Bah
It's not just Iran. Iran was the host of the Islamic Solidarity games this year. Well they were until the Saudis and a bunch of other Arabs pulled out over the use of the name 'Persian Gulf' on maps and medals.
What is wrong with the term "Persian Gulf" anyway?
Arabs on one side, Persians on the other. They should call it Middle East Gulf, that should stroke both their egos by putting them in the middle.
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2010, 02:44:46 PM
Arabs on one side, Persians on the other. They should call it Middle East Gulf, that should stroke both their egos by putting them in the middle.
I think Europe should send a fleet there, plant the Euro Flag, and call it the European Gulf! Worked in Colonial days.... all you need is a proper flag! ;)
Quote from: KRonn on February 22, 2010, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2010, 02:44:46 PM
Arabs on one side, Persians on the other. They should call it Middle East Gulf, that should stroke both their egos by putting them in the middle.
I think Europe should send a fleet there, plant the Euro Flag, and call it the European Gulf! Worked in Colonial days.... all you need is a proper flag! ;)
German-Arabia does have a nice ring to it ... :unsure:
Of course, these days even the Afghanis admit that our military is incompetent and ask for the Americans instead.
Reminds me of the episode of Hyperdrive where two alien delegations are in negotiations mediated by the British, but when they hear an American mediator is also on the way they decide to hold the talks and wait for the Yanks instead.
Quote from: KRonn on February 22, 2010, 02:48:23 PM
I think Europe should send a fleet there, plant the Euro Flag, and call it the European Gulf! Worked in Colonial days.... all you need is a proper flag! ;)
Or we could sell naming rights to a corporation like we do at stadiums. "Exxon Gulf" has a nice ring to it.
:D
How sad that we can't all agree on this all important issue.
Persian Gulf. The Arabs already have the sea next to it.
Quote from: Tyr on February 22, 2010, 02:28:49 PM
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Not liking to call it the Arabian Gulf is fair enough, it is the Persian Gulf. But being against the shortened form the Gulf? Bah
That's what I don't understand - I didn't think that Iran liked the terms "Persia" and "Persian", which is why they campaigned under the Shah to get the world to call the country "Iran" instead of "Persia"? Is it because they consider the Gulf to be named for the province of Persis rather than the country? That seems rather strange to me.
Quote from: Agelastus on February 22, 2010, 03:29:29 PM
That's what I don't understand - I didn't think that Iran liked the terms "Persia" and "Persian", which is why they campaigned under the Shah to get the world to call the country "Iran" instead of "Persia"? Is it because they consider the Gulf to be named for the province of Persis rather than the country? That seems rather strange to me.
Persia refers to an ethnicity, while Iran refers to a polity. The Persian Gulf is named for the people who lived on its northern shore (and who reported its existence to the Greeks). I think the IHO also allows the use of the name "Gulf of Iran," though.
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 22, 2010, 02:38:13 PM
It's not just Iran. Iran was the host of the Islamic Solidarity games this year. Well they were until the Saudis and a bunch of other Arabs pulled out over the use of the name 'Persian Gulf' on maps and medals.
I'd offer them a third way--as the country that actually controls the gulf with its airforce carriers, call it the American Gulf.
How about "The Gulf Surrounded by Crappy Countries"?
The Gulf Formerly Known as the Persian Gulf (TGFKATPG for short).
Hey if it worked for FYROM...
No wonder Arabs hate us. All our names for the wars in Iraq contain "Persian Gulf" or just "Gulf".
ZOMG BUT THEYRE CHANGING THE GRENE REVOLUTION SHOWED US LAST YEAR AND THE REGIME WILL TOPPEL AT ANY MOMOENT AND THEYRE ALL UNDER 25 AND
Korea and Japan are similarly anal about the sea between them, so it is not limited to Middle Easterners.
Quote from: Zanza on February 22, 2010, 07:12:26 PM
Korea and Japan are similarly anal about the sea between them, so it is not limited to Middle Easterners.
Korea doesn't really expect anyone else to call it The East Sea.
Quote from: CountDeBrokenRecord on February 22, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
ZOMG BUT THEYRE CHANGING THE GRENE REVOLUTION SHOWED US LAST YEAR AND THE REGIME WILL TOPPEL AT ANY MOMOENT AND THEYRE ALL UNDER 25 AND
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
ZOMG BUT THEYRE CHANGING THE GRENE REVOLUTION SHOWED US LAST YEAR AND THE REGIME WILL TOPPEL AT ANY MOMOENT AND THEYRE ALL UNDER 25 AND
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2010, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 22, 2010, 07:12:26 PM
Korea and Japan are similarly anal about the sea between them, so it is not limited to Middle Easterners.
Korea doesn't really expect anyone else to call it The East Sea.
No, but Korean pressure groups do. Like the ones who started a mass letter writing campaign against one of my old Economic History professors because of the map on his overhead projector transparencies. :lol:
Quote from: Warspite on February 22, 2010, 07:36:11 PM
No, but Korean pressure groups do. Like the ones who started a mass letter writing campaign against one of my old Economic History professors because of the map on his overhead projector transparencies. :lol:
Presumably *after* they had recieved their UK indoctrination in political correctness and the empowerment of oppressed minorities.
Quote from: Warspite on February 22, 2010, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2010, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 22, 2010, 07:12:26 PM
Korea and Japan are similarly anal about the sea between them, so it is not limited to Middle Easterners.
Korea doesn't really expect anyone else to call it The East Sea.
No, but Korean pressure groups do. Like the ones who started a mass letter writing campaign against one of my old Economic History professors because of the map on his overhead projector transparencies. :lol:
At least they haven't banned airlines from flying to Korea because of it. :contract:
Now Dokdo, on the other hand... ;)
We should get the North Sea renamed the South Sea. Plus start insisting that the Turks replace Istanbul with Mikligarður.
Quote from: Barrister on February 22, 2010, 06:40:23 PM
The Gulf Formerly Known as the Persian Gulf (TGFKATPG for short).
Hey if it worked for FYROM...
So everybody will just continue calling it the Persian Gulf except international organizations trying to suck up to the Arabs.
AFAIK, Persian gulf is used since Greco-Roman times (e.g Sinus Persicus). Incidentally, Sinus Arabicus was the Red Sea.
They already have an Arabian Sea, why do they need a gulf?
[Brain]We should rename the Holy See[/Brain]
Quote from: Zanza on February 22, 2010, 07:12:26 PM
Korea and Japan are similarly anal about the sea between them, so it is not limited to Middle Easterners.
I think its a different thing there.
With the Sea of Japan its clearly the sea which seperates Japan from mainland Asia. Compare it to the English channel and the Irish sea. The lesser body gets the name as its what you have to cross to reach there.
With the gulf though....yeah. Both of them are Asia proper. Its odd.
Quote from: Warspite on February 23, 2010, 05:38:58 AM
[Brain]We should rename the Holy See[/Brain]
Brain kills me.
Quote from: Zanza on February 22, 2010, 07:12:26 PM
Korea and Japan are similarly anal about the sea between them, so it is not limited to Middle Easterners.
And the stupid thing is, the sea on the other side of Japan is called "The Philippine Sea"... they should call that the "Sea of Japan" and put the Philippine Sea near the Philippines.
In Portugal we all say "The Persian Gulf", but that's mostly because we don't bother to update our maps much. The XVIth century designations work well when appropriate (but we no longer call California 'New Spain').
That said, there are wads of places with silly names or stupid borders. The border between Tadjikistan and Kyrgyzstan gives me a headache everytime I look at it - the countries are intertwined in an impossible knot.
And the Kenyan northern border is odd - there is a triangle there that Nairobi administrates, but everybody else claims. It only spells trouble.
And Namibia stretches way too much to the inside of Africa - it ends up creating a crossroads where you can move into 4 different nations by moving just some yards in any direction.
And why is there a bit of Italy inside Switzerland? Or chunks of Belgium inside The Netherlands? Creepy.
Also, the US should redraw the administrative borders of some of its states. They're just weird. Why does NY basically stretch up from the city itself and suddenly appears as a larger area up North? Why does Michigan have a chunk of what should logically be northern Wisconsin? And there are way too many silly little states in the Northeast, like Delaware or Rhode Island. They could be merged into one or two.
Quote from: Martim Silva on February 23, 2010, 08:58:25 AM
And the stupid thing is, the sea on the other side of Japan is called "The Philippine Sea"... they should call that the "Sea of Japan" and put the Philippine Sea near the Philippines.
The Philippine Sea is bounded on the west by the Izu-Bonin-Marianas Arc, to the north by Japan, to the east by the Ryukyus, Formosa and the Philippines and to the south by the assorted islands of Palau. Philippine is as good a name as any for it.
Quote from: Neil on February 23, 2010, 09:22:26 AM
Quote from: Martim Silva on February 23, 2010, 08:58:25 AM
And the stupid thing is, the sea on the other side of Japan is called "The Philippine Sea"... they should call that the "Sea of Japan" and put the Philippine Sea near the Philippines.
The Philippine Sea is bounded on the west by the Izu-Bonin-Marianas Arc, to the north by Japan, to the east by the Ryukyus, Formosa and the Philippines and to the south by the assorted islands of Palau. Philippine is as good a name as any for it.
Yes. Since the Philippine Sea washes the shores of the Philippines, it
couldn't be any nearer than it is.
Quote from: grumbler on February 23, 2010, 09:42:31 AMYes. Since the Philippine Sea washes the shores of the Philippines, it couldn't be any nearer than it is.
Or, alternatively, one could set its limits further South, so that it remains the the region, and name the Northern half "Sea of Japan". The current Sea of Japan can then be called "East Sea" or even "Sea of Korea" and everyone is happy.
Hey, if they created the Southern Ocean, surely this can also be done.
QuoteWhy does Michigan have a chunk of what should logically be northern Wisconsin?
The UP was given to Michigan as compensation for not receiving the Toledo Strip.
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Why does Michigan have a chunk of what should logically be northern Wisconsin?
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We didn't want it.
Quote from: Martim Silva on February 23, 2010, 09:57:29 AM
Or, alternatively, one could set its limits further South, so that it remains the the region, and name the Northern half "Sea of Japan". The current Sea of Japan can then be called "East Sea" or even "Sea of Korea" and everyone is happy.
Hey, if they created the Southern Ocean, surely this can also be done.
Doing that doesn't make geographic sense, and the Koreans don't have anything to offer Me in order to make the name change worth My while.
We call it "Persian Gulf" in Chinese as well.
Quote from: Viking on February 23, 2010, 04:20:06 AM
They already have an Arabian Sea, why do they need a gulf?
The Arabs are a little people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous and cruel.
Quote from: Agelastus on February 22, 2010, 03:29:29 PM
That's what I don't understand - I didn't think that Iran liked the terms "Persia" and "Persian", which is why they campaigned under the Shah to get the world to call the country "Iran" instead of "Persia"? Is it because they consider the Gulf to be named for the province of Persis rather than the country? That seems rather strange to me.
Iran's an ancient name for the land of the Aryans, which is roughly where Iran now is. I believe the word emIran was used to describe the non-Aryan lands within the Persian Empire so the other ethnic and national groups like the Jews and Babylonians would be there. Persia and Iran have been used by different regimes for different reasons. For example the Shah's father renamed 'Persia' 'Iran' because he saw 'Persia' as having been discredited as a puppet of foreign powers under the Qajar dynasty. His son restored the use of Persia and loved that aspect of Iranian history (the preposterous 2500 year anniversary of the Persian monarchy, for example). The Islamic Republic returned to Iran for much the same reasons Reza Shah used it.
But the simpler answer is that I believe the Persian Gulf's name is the Persian Gulf even in Farsi.
I thought much of the modern use of Iran was down to UK not England sort of reasons- yes the Persians are the biggest and in practice dominant group but they're not the only group in the country and not officially the out and out leaders. Its the land of all Iranians.
Quote from: Queequeg on February 24, 2010, 02:06:09 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 23, 2010, 04:20:06 AM
They already have an Arabian Sea, why do they need a gulf?
The Arabs are a little people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous and cruel.
But then again, so are the Persians.
There was a great thread on EUOT where several Iran apologists claimed that Iran is not antisemitic and that gays there are just fine. It was finally: locked. :(
Quote from: Tyr on February 24, 2010, 03:02:23 PM
I thought much of the modern use of Iran was down to UK not England sort of reasons- yes the Persians are the biggest and in practice dominant group but they're not the only group in the country and not officially the out and out leaders. Its the land of all Iranians.
No, if anything Persia's more inclusive than Iran.
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 24, 2010, 03:18:27 PM
No, if anything Persia's more inclusive than Iran.
That's the opposite of my understanding but would love to be enlightened. Are you saying that everyone in Iran, plus some, would consider themselves Persians? Or are you saying something else?
My understanding is that virtually all Persians (80%+) are Iranians, but that Iranians include Kurds, Azeris, and others as about 1/3 of the population.