Slargos and his ilk or the Muslim immigrants he rails against? Who can tell the difference?
http://www.thelocal.se/24632/20100127/
QuoteJews flee Malmö as anti-Semitism grows
Published: 27 Jan 10 18:34
Threats and harassment are becoming increasingly commonplace for Jewish residents in Malmö in southern Sweden, leading many Jews to leave the city out of fear for their safety.
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* No suspects in attack against Malmö mosque (2 Jan 10)
* Ex-moderate Muslim to form 'anti-Zionist' party in Sweden (3 Nov 09)
"Threats against Jews have increased steadily in Malmö in recent years and many young Jewish families are choosing to leave the city," Fredrik Sieradzki of the Jewish Community of Malmö (Judiska Församlingen i Malmö) told The Local.
"Many feel that the community and local politicians have shown a lack of understanding for how the city's Jewish residents have been marginalized."
Last year there were 79 crimes against Jewish residents reported to the police in Malmö, roughly double the number reported in 2008, according to the Skånska Dagbladet newspaper.
"That probably doesn't tell the whole story because not everyone chose to make a report. Perhaps they fear they will add to an already infected situation," Susanne Gosenius, a hate crimes coordinator with the Skåne police, told the newspaper, which has published series of articles about the growing anti-Semitism in Malmö.
In addition, Jewish cemeteries and synagogues have repeatedly been defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti, and a chapel at another Jewish burial site in Malmö was firebombed in January of last year.
There are currently an estimated 3,000 Jews living in the south of Sweden, with most residing in Malmö, Helsingborg, and Lund.
About 700 currently belong to the Jewish Community of Malmö, but the group's membership rolls have been dropping steadily in recent years.
"It's sort of a downward spiral," Sieradzki told The Local.
"People want to maintain their Jewish traditions, but when they see others leave after being threatened, they begin to question whether or not they want to stay here."
Skånska Dagbladet highlighted the case of Marcus Eilenberg, a 32-year-old father of two who has decided to move to Israel.
"My children aren't safe here. It's going to get worse," he told the newspaper
Eilenberg's family on his mother's side has roots in Malmö that date back to the 1800s, while his father's parents came to Sweden in 1945 after surviving Auschwitz.
He describes for the newspaper how people call him "damn Jew" ('jävla jude') when he walks to synagogue and that his friends are frequently harassed and threatened.
"Imagine that my family can't feel safe in fantastic Sweden. It's really terrible," Eilenberg told Skånskan.
He blamed part of the problem on passive local politicians who he believes have failed to openly distance themselves from anti-Semitism and refuse to act when members of the Jewish community find themselves under constant threat.
Sieradzki agrees that the attitudes of Malmö politicians, especially Social Democrat city council chair Ilmar Reepalu, have allowed anti-Semitism to fester.
"He's demonstrated extreme ignorance when it comes to our problems," Sieradzki explained.
Speaking with Skånskan, Reepalu is quick to point out that "every type of threat and oppression directed at a particular ethnic group is totally unacceptable".
"Obviously children with a Jewish background shouldn't be subject to harassment. Nor it is okay to shoot an imam at a mosque," he told the newspaper.
When asked to explain why Jewish religious services often require security guards and even police protection, Reepalu said much of the violence directed toward Malmö's Jewish community come from members of extremist right-wing groups, a theory which baffles Sieradzki.
"I'm not saying we don't have problems with neo-Nazis, but the threats aren't as concrete," he explained.
"More often it's the far-left that commonly use Jews as a punching bag for their disdain toward the policies of Israel, even if Jews in Malmö have nothing to do with Israeli politics.
"It's shameful and regrettable that such a powerful politician could be so ignorant about the threats we face."
In addition to the far-left, Sieradzki said that a "very small segment" of the city's growing population of Muslim immigrants from Arab countries in the Middle East are also responsible for growing anti-Semitism.
"This is a small group of extremists who have decided to go after Jews wherever they are in the world and regardless of their relationship to Israel," he said.
One of the things that bothers Sieradzki most, however, are Reepalu's statements about a pro-peace rally arranged by the Jewish Community in Malmö in response to the December 2008 Israeli incursions, which came under attack from members of a violent counter demonstration.
According to Reepalu, the organization "sent the wrong signals" by holding the demonstration instead of distancing itself from Israel's actions.
"If you read between the lines, he seems to be suggesting that the violence directed toward us is our own fault simply because we didn't speak out against Israel," Sieradzki explained.
"We're a non-political, cultural and religious organization, and there are all kinds of Jews in Malmö.
Sieradzki admitted he is currently "pessimistic" about the future of the Jewish community in Malmö, saying that there needs to be a "complete change in attitude" among the city's politicians if the situation is going to improve.
"These issues need to be taken seriously," he said, arguing that there needs to be a dialogue involving politicians, Islamic groups, and the Jewish community.
"But right now many Jews in Malmö are really concerned about the situation here and don't believe they have a future here."
Swedish Neo-Nazis have long since converted to Zionism on the grounds that Joos are pretty good at killing Ayrabs.
Anti-semitism in Europe: :zzz
I am less than shocked that the social democrat guy is an anti-semite.
Anti-semitism is to Europe as obesity is to the U.S., it's a growing phenomenon.
Quote from: citizen k on January 28, 2010, 07:58:54 PM
Anti-semitism is to Europe as obesity is to the U.S., it's a growing phenomenon.
Spokane reminds me of Detroit.
:rolleyes:
Nice jab, Timmay.
I can answer that one readily: There is a growing number of muslims in Sweden, but the number of Nazis is either dormant or shrinking, whichever way you look at it. You do the math on the increasing number of crimes against kikes.
Last I heard, there was a 100% increase in emigration by Swedish jews, which is a staggering number until you start looking at the numbers behind it. It's something like 20 vs 10 emigrants, out of a population of around 8000 which means Swedes in general emigrate at around a 5 times higher rate than swedo-kikes.
And of course, society has gotten so sick that a "swedish" mayor and of course in extension "swedes" get blamed for the rise in anti-semitism, since of course a guy name Ilmar Reepalu is as swedish as it gets, yeah?
That someone is called "damn jew" on their way to synagogue makes me think one of two things is likely:
1. Muslims.
2. Bald faced lie. People in general are horrified at the thought of being called racist for telling arabs to stop breaking windows, much less be branded anti-semites. It just doesn't add up.
Ilmar Reepalu is either Finnish or Estonian. Which means that in your Carolingian fantasies they are Swedes.
Quote from: Viking on January 28, 2010, 08:26:33 PM
Ilmar Reepalu is either Finnish or Estonian. Which means that in your Carolingian fantasies they are Swedes.
Regardless of his origins, he's a fucknut. The man is on my short-list of people who will get the noose come the revolution.
Malmö was the scene for the anti-Israel demonstration-turned-planned-riot during the Davis Cup game last year, but I've never heard that Malmö would be especially anti-semitic.
Isn't Malmo considered the most muslim town/city in Scandiweenia?
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Quote from: Martinus on January 29, 2010, 06:45:08 AM
Isn't Malmo considered the most muslim town/city in Scandiweenia?
Yes. It's actually the fault of the Muslims, and every J00 who indicates otherwise in the article is just afraid of a fatwa.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 29, 2010, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 29, 2010, 06:45:08 AM
Isn't Malmo considered the most muslim town/city in Scandiweenia?
Yes. It's actually the fault of the Muslims, and every J00 who indicates otherwise in the article is just afraid of a fatwa.
Err what? I simply asked a question - you seem to be inferring from it that I am taking some position which I didn't express, and then arguing with it. Good job, counselor.
Quote from: Martinus on January 29, 2010, 06:45:08 AM
Isn't Malmo considered the most muslim town/city in Scandiweenia?
Not just that, its also a pretty poor post-industrial place. Perefect breeding ground for ignorant kids who like picking on folk who are different.
Quote"Obviously children with a Jewish background shouldn't be subject to harassment. Nor it is okay to shoot an imam at a mosque," he told the newspaper.
Say what? :huh:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 29, 2010, 09:54:42 AM
Quote"Obviously children with a Jewish background shouldn't be subject to harassment. Nor it is okay to shoot an imam at a mosque," he told the newspaper.
Say what? :huh:
That fellow's a graduate of the Languish school of rhetorical comparisons. :lol:
Quote from: Slargos on January 28, 2010, 08:24:55 PM
:rolleyes:
Nice jab, Timmay.
I can answer that one readily: There is a growing number of muslims in Sweden, but the number of Nazis is either dormant or shrinking, whichever way you look at it. You do the math on the increasing number of crimes against kikes.
Last I heard, there was a 100% increase in emigration by Swedish jews, which is a staggering number until you start looking at the numbers behind it. It's something like 20 vs 10 emigrants, out of a population of around 8000 which means Swedes in general emigrate at around a 5 times higher rate than swedo-kikes.
And of course, society has gotten so sick that a "swedish" mayor and of course in extension "swedes" get blamed for the rise in anti-semitism, since of course a guy name Ilmar Reepalu is as swedish as it gets, yeah?
That someone is called "damn jew" on their way to synagogue makes me think one of two things is likely:
1. Muslims.
2. Bald faced lie. People in general are horrified at the thought of being called racist for telling arabs to stop breaking windows, much less be branded anti-semites. It just doesn't add up.
While your annoyance at Timmay is understandable, you didn't read the article, I guess. Here's what the kikes in question have to say:
QuoteWhen asked to explain why Jewish religious services often require security guards and even police protection, Reepalu said much of the violence directed toward Malmö's Jewish community come from members of extremist right-wing groups, a theory which baffles Sieradzki.
"I'm not saying we don't have problems with neo-Nazis, but the threats aren't as concrete," he explained.
"More often it's the far-left that commonly use Jews as a punching bag for their disdain toward the policies of Israel, even if Jews in Malmö have nothing to do with Israeli politics.
"It's shameful and regrettable that such a powerful politician could be so ignorant about the threats we face."
In addition to the far-left, Sieradzki said that a "very small segment" of the city's growing population of Muslim immigrants from Arab countries in the Middle East are also responsible for growing anti-Semitism.
In short, it is this mayor fellow who is claiming it's all because of Nazis. The 'kikes' agree that the Nazis, while of course poisionous, aren't a particular threat: worse is the ultra-left, who have elided the (always thin) line between extreme anti-Zionism and simply hating Jews, period; plus a minority of Muslims who likewise hate Jews.
The mayor, being a lefty himself, clearly sympathizes with the ultra lefties, and blames the Jews for their problems, for not being anti-Israel enough for his tastes - while at the same time, unconvincingly, blaming the Nazis, thus effectively talking out of both sides of his mouth at once.
This shading over of fashionable left-wing opinion into more traditional Jew hatred is of course a common european theme, has been for years; particularly in the supposedly progressive Nordic nations.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 29, 2010, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 29, 2010, 06:45:08 AM
Isn't Malmo considered the most muslim town/city in Scandiweenia?
Yes. It's actually the fault of the Muslims, and every J00 who indicates otherwise in the article is just afraid of a fatwa.
:huh:
Reepalu claims the attacks have been perpetrated by right wing extremists.
The jews of the article actually refute this and claim the left wingers and muslims are responsible.
What I find funny about when muslims in the west get up to such shenanigans the right (particularly Americans) are quick to shout about it being a sign of Islamicism and it only being a matter of time before the mooslems overun Europe, etc....
The kind of muslims who get up to this sort of thing though tend to be very well integrated ones. Charvas from a muslim background brought up in a crappy post-industrial place with little hope for the future. They're just picking on the jews here as they want to pick on someone and with the jews they can at least semi-justify it according to their shallow understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Quote from: Malthus on January 29, 2010, 10:19:25 AM
While your annoyance at Timmay is understandable, you didn't read the article, I guess. Here's what the kikes in question have to say:
And I guess you didn't read Tim's post. He mused about the possibility of "Slargos and his ilk" being responsible, by which I presume he means nazis and racists, since he can't possibly believe me a leftist.
I don't need to read this article since this is far from news to me. Muslims and leftists have increased their attacks both verbally and physically on the jews for years now, while right wing extremists have been toning the anti-jewish rhetoric down. Still, it's convenient for leftist politicians to rant about the dangerous right wing extremists.
QuoteThis shading over of fashionable left-wing opinion into more traditional Jew hatred is of course a common european theme, has been for years; particularly in the supposedly progressive Nordic nations.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Malthus on January 29, 2010, 10:08:41 AM
Quote"Obviously children with a Jewish background shouldn't be subject to harassment. Nor it is okay to shoot an imam at a mosque," he told the newspaper.
Say what? :huh:
It is highly fashionable to use this kind of rhetoric when you want to look fair minded and objective here.
"Yes, we condemn the palestinian suicide bombings of the market district, but it is also not ok for Israel to nuke Gaza."
I haven't heard of any imam shootings, so I don't know where he gets that from. You need to know, however, that a firm grip on reality is NOT necessary to rise in the ranks of the left.
I´m surprised he didnt get a few punches in at the US as well.
Ah well lets get a few hundred k more MENA "refugees" in aye? That will solve the problem.
Quote from: Slargos on January 29, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
And I guess you didn't read Tim's post. He mused about the possibility of "Slargos and his ilk" being responsible, by which I presume he means nazis and racists, since he can't possibly believe me a leftist.
Clearly I did, given that I opened my post with "While your annoyance at Timmay is understandable ...".
QuoteI don't need to read this article since this is far from news to me. Muslims and leftists have increased their attacks both verbally and physically on the jews for years now, while right wing extremists have been toning the anti-jewish rhetoric down. Still, it's convenient for leftist politicians to rant about the dangerous right wing extremists.
QuoteThis shading over of fashionable left-wing opinion into more traditional Jew hatred is of course a common european theme, has been for years; particularly in the supposedly progressive Nordic nations.
:rolleyes:
Why are you rolling your eyes, when you clearly agree? My point was that,
in your post, you said basically 'it wasn't the Nazis, it was the Muslims, or the Kikes were just lying'. No mention whatsoever of leftist Swedes.
I can easily imagine that the threat to the Jewish community these days from both neo-nazis and extremist muslims is actually less of a problem than from the far left crowd. All three groups are loons but those guys often get away with claiming moral high ground, an enigma to me.
Quote from: Malthus on January 29, 2010, 10:58:43 AM
Why are you rolling your eyes, when you clearly agree? My point was that, in your post, you said basically 'it wasn't the Nazis, it was the Muslims, or the Kikes were just lying'. No mention whatsoever of leftist Swedes.
Quote from: MalthusThis shading over of fashionable left-wing opinion into more traditional Jew hatred is of course a common european theme, has been for years; particularly in the supposedly progressive Nordic nations.
This garnered the roll-eyes.
The leftists have always been anti-semitic, yes. However, the rise in anti-semitic violence lately just happens to coincide with the rise in muslim immigration. Pure coincidence I'm sure. :rolleyes:
Not to mention calling the nordic nations "supposedly" progressive.
I will not stoop to the puking-roll-eyes but it's close enough. :P
Quote from: Delirium on January 29, 2010, 04:56:30 PM
I can easily imagine that the threat to the Jewish community these days from both neo-nazis and extremist muslims is actually less of a problem than from the far left crowd. All three groups are loons but those guys often get away with claiming moral high ground, an enigma to me.
I don't know about that. Muslims in Oslo have been caught planning terror attacks against the synagogue there, and a few of them even did a drive-by shooting which cost the lives of several square-cm of plaster.
I see a lot of anti-semitic propaganda from the left, covered in the guise of critizism of israel, but I haven't actually noticed any overt physical attacks on jews.
I guess it depends on whether you believe the propaganda may lead to pogroms later.
I guess you could make an argument that the muslims have a problem, that while society in general seems friendly to their grievances against Israel, which obviously cannot be applauded enough, they are still not white.
The leftists on the other hand are white and upper middle class to boot, therefore their attempt to assault the Davis Cup arena was seen more as a boys' prank than a lynching attempt, which it was.
A little mental experiment, which of the three groups is more likely to perform raids on Jewish cemetaries?
Quote from: Slargos on January 29, 2010, 05:03:19 PM
I don't know about that. Muslims in Oslo have been caught planning terror attacks against the synagogue there, and a few of them even did a drive-by shooting which cost the lives of several square-cm of plaster.
There was a Mullah who was just fired upon in Oslo:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/01/2010125122419767370.html (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/01/2010125122419767370.html)
Despite Blake's best efforts it didn't happen in England; but they seem to have built Jerusalem in Norway's white and frigid land.
Quote from: Slargos on January 29, 2010, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 29, 2010, 10:58:43 AM
Why are you rolling your eyes, when you clearly agree? My point was that, in your post, you said basically 'it wasn't the Nazis, it was the Muslims, or the Kikes were just lying'. No mention whatsoever of leftist Swedes.
Quote from: MalthusThis shading over of fashionable left-wing opinion into more traditional Jew hatred is of course a common european theme, has been for years; particularly in the supposedly progressive Nordic nations.
This garnered the roll-eyes.
The leftists have always been anti-semitic, yes. However, the rise in anti-semitic violence lately just happens to coincide with the rise in muslim immigration. Pure coincidence I'm sure. :rolleyes:
Not to mention calling the nordic nations "supposedly" progressive.
I will not stoop to the puking-roll-eyes but it's close enough. :P
I dunno - the people allegedly actually affected by such persecution say differently. Why do you know better than they? Or are you claiming that they are making it up? If so, why?
Quote from: Delirium on January 29, 2010, 05:12:35 PM
I guess you could make an argument that the muslims have a problem, that while society in general seems friendly to their grievances against Israel, which obviously cannot be applauded enough, they are still not white.
The leftists on the other hand are white and upper middle class to boot, therefore their attempt to assault the Davis Cup arena was seen more as a boys' prank than a lynching attempt, which it was.
A little mental experiment, which of the three groups is more likely to perform raids on Jewish cemetaries?
Since I'm neither nazi, nor leftist activist, nor moslem, I have no idea. :homestar:
Quote from: Malthus on January 29, 2010, 05:46:02 PM
I dunno - the people allegedly actually affected by such persecution say differently. Why do you know better than they? Or are you claiming that they are making it up? If so, why?
Anecdotal evidence? Really?
Quote from: Savonarola on January 29, 2010, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 29, 2010, 05:03:19 PM
I don't know about that. Muslims in Oslo have been caught planning terror attacks against the synagogue there, and a few of them even did a drive-by shooting which cost the lives of several square-cm of plaster.
There was a Mullah who was just fired upon in Oslo:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/01/2010125122419767370.html (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/01/2010125122419767370.html)
Despite Blake's best efforts it didn't happen in England; but they seem to have built Jerusalem in Norway's white and frigid land.
Mullah Krekar has been designated as a threat to national security and has been expelled. But he refuses to leave and no other country (apart from Iraq which wants to put him on trial) wants him. Since Norway doesn't think that Iraqi justice can be fair and expect judicial murder. So he hasn't been expelled. So he lives on welfare in Oslo. It is generally believed that the (unfortunately for us) incompetent assassins are Iraq Kurds who are victims of the Terror Group that Mullah Krekar founded.