Whatever it is, I'm sure it'll be something pretentious graphic arts students, homosexual Polish lawyers and society-climbing Canuck lawyers will be buying up in record time.
QuoteApple to unveil latest gadgets Wednesday
Apple Inc. officially alerted the world this month it is ready to unveil its latest tinkerings, which many in the tech industry are betting will be a multimedia tablet computing slate, on Wednesday morning.
The media hordes and analysts are being invited to Yerba Buena Center for the Arts Theater in San Francisco, where it is presumed company CEO Steve Jobs will show off the latest gadgets and services from Apple headquarters.
The invitation is as vague as it is inviting. "Come see our latest creation," the mass e-mail read. The Apple logo is emblazoned over a virtual painter's palette splashed with colors.
The maker of iPhones, iPods and Macintosh PCs and laptops is known for jolting the tech world with its announcements. Tablet devices have been around for two decades and have failed to catch on with the mainstream buying public. At this year's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, tablets were being pitched by the likes of Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo. And e-readers, a form of tablet, are gaining some traction after the success of Kindle, Amazon's wireless reading device.
Apple, though, is known for rearranging the markets of tech products.
"Apple loves to innovate around existing products," said Tim Bajarin, president of Creative Strategies. "They didn't invent MP3 players, but they reinvented them. They didn't invent smart phones, but they reinvented smart phones."
As usual, Apple is not saying what will be shown off at the morning event. But the tech world has been buzzing for months with speculation and rumors about a thin computing slab that could change how people access and interact online with content, from newspapers to movies to games. It is expected to be priced in the $800-to-$1,000 range.
More than one product could be offered up, said Envisioneering Group analyst Richard Doherty. Possible announcements could include a touch-screen iMac PC; a larger iPod Touch with a superior screen equipped with Wi-Fi for gaming; a 7-by-9-inch tablet that is a multimedia player; or even a laptop with a built-in tablet, perhaps a revamping of the ultrathin MacBook Air, he said.
The company's innovative edge, Doherty said, likely will be more than just sleek hardware and smooth-running software. It will be a new business model for, say, renting and accessing Hollywood movies, just as the company changed the way people buy music and other content through its online iTunes store.
"Apple is probably going to beat them all to the punch with not just the hardware but a business model that satisfies more consumers, that is more consumer-centric," he said.
Though multiple news outlets and bloggers have reported leaks out of Asia about an impending Apple tablet computing device, longtime Apple watcher Bajarin isn't ready to say he is sure about anything that will or will not be released this month.
"One thing that is a little puzzling is that Apple is famous for the secrecy they demand from their suppliers," he said. "This time around, the suppliers were singing like canaries. So right off the bat I'm suspicious. Who knows what this is about."
I hope it has a dumb name like iSlate.
Don't worry. I won't buy it.
Whatever it is, I'm sure someone will make cheaper and more functional version shortly
Whatever it is, I am sure it will be overpriced with a bunch of proprietory stuff you have to buy from Apple without any new functionality that doesn't already exist in the market somewhere. Oh and all the suckers will buy it.
For all the fun of Apple bashing, they make some damn good products, and when it comes to personal media and portable computing, they are one of the innovators that drive the market.
The only Apple product I have ever owned is an iPhone, but I am rather certain that many of the products I do own are better because of Apple.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 09:40:17 AM
For all the fun of Apple bashing, they make some damn good products, and when it comes to personal media and portable computing, they are one of the innovators that drive the market.
The only Apple product I have ever owned is an iPhone, but I am rather certain that many of the products I do own are better because of Apple.
I agree, but I also enjoy the unintentional irony of people who claim simultaneously that
(1) We don't know what Apple is launching on Wednesday, and
(2) Wednesday's launch will "upset the tech cart" ! :lol:
I admire Apple's products and deign philosophy, though I won't pay the premium necessary to enjoy them. My main complaint about Apple is that software designers like Microsoft make Mac products that are not compatible with the IBM-machine cousins. At my school, this leads to many unnecessary tears, though none of them caused by Apple itself.
As long as the stock rises on these announcements, they could release iFeces for all I care.
Apple are one of the few underdogs in the world I can't bring myself to like.
For this...hmm, some mysterious invention which will totally upset the tech cart but noone knows what it is; anyone hear 'Segway'?
Quote from: grumbler on January 26, 2010, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 09:40:17 AM
For all the fun of Apple bashing, they make some damn good products, and when it comes to personal media and portable computing, they are one of the innovators that drive the market.
The only Apple product I have ever owned is an iPhone, but I am rather certain that many of the products I do own are better because of Apple.
I agree, but I also enjoy the unintentional irony of people who claim simultaneously that
(1) We don't know what Apple is launching on Wednesday, and
(2) Wednesday's launch will "upset the tech cart" ! :lol:
I admire Apple's products and deign philosophy, though I won't pay the premium necessary to enjoy them.
Oh yes, no doubt the iHype is laughable.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 26, 2010, 06:22:38 AM
society-climbing Canuck lawyers
*whoosh*
Yo Money, the mark is that a way.
:lol:
Quote from: Valmy on January 26, 2010, 09:12:25 AM
Whatever it is, I am sure it will be overpriced with a bunch of proprietory stuff you have to buy from Apple without any new functionality that doesn't already exist in the market somewhere. Oh and all the suckers will buy it.
I bet you're right.
But I also bet the stuff already on the market will be very kludgey, difficult to use and integrate with your existing computers and peripherals.
The real genius of Apple is "ease of use". Give a kid an iPod and 15 minutes after it's charged the kid will be listening to music. Give a grandma an iMac and within 10 minutes of opening the box she'll be surfing the web.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 10:41:10 AM
Oh yes, no doubt the iHype is laughable.
I for one an impressed at how Apple can do hype. Look at all the hype - all without one official word from Apple. Now I have no doubt they've orchestrated some 'controlled leaks', but not once has Apple ever said what the hell they're releasing tomorrow.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 10:41:10 AM
Oh yes, no doubt the iHype is laughable.
I for one an impressed at how Apple can do hype. Look at all the hype - all without one official word from Apple. Now I have no doubt they've orchestrated some 'controlled leaks', but not once has Apple ever said what the hell they're releasing tomorrow.
It can be impressive while at the same time watching people like you get all iSpooged over it is laughable.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 10:41:10 AM
Oh yes, no doubt the iHype is laughable.
I for one an impressed at how Apple can do hype. Look at all the hype - all without one official word from Apple. Now I have no doubt they've orchestrated some 'controlled leaks', but not once has Apple ever said what the hell they're releasing tomorrow.
:yes: and the fact their much hyped products usually deserve a lot if not all the hype they got is even more impressing to me. I'm no Apple fanboi, but there's no question that the drive their products give to the market is usually very strong.
L.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 10:41:10 AM
Oh yes, no doubt the iHype is laughable.
I for one an impressed at how Apple can do hype. Look at all the hype - all without one official word from Apple. Now I have no doubt they've orchestrated some 'controlled leaks', but not once has Apple ever said what the hell they're releasing tomorrow.
It can be impressive while at the same time watching people like you get all iSpooged over it is laughable.
Yo Berk: you're confusing what I said with what you think I said again. :secret:
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:04:31 PM
The real genius of Apple is "ease of use". Give a kid an iPod and 15 minutes after it's charged the kid will be listening to music.
Give a kid a Sandisk player and cut to 5 minutes. For one thing, there is no need to install and license itunes.
Apple does a decent job with ease of use but their real strengths at this point are: (1) design and (2) the app ecosystem. I personally find their walled garden to be very annoying to the point of being a deal-breaker (eg cant stream rhapsody on an ipod), but the typical consumer may not care. OTOH I also don't think their price premium is that steep, except for the ifanboyz who buy immediately on release.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
I for one an impressed at how Apple can do hype. Look at all the hype - all without one official word from Apple. Now I have no doubt they've orchestrated some 'controlled leaks', but not once has Apple ever said what the hell they're releasing tomorrow.
It comes from knowing your fan base. Apple knows how to appeal to the excitable and the credulous, and it is their fan base, rather than Apple (as you note) who create the hype.
Steve Jobs could take a steaming shit on stage tomorrow, and half the audience would come away convinced they had watched a miracle. I congratulate Apple on their choice of fans. People with critical thinking skills generally avoid Apple due to price, but Apple knows that they can hook people into paying the price if it makes uncritical thinkers feel "special."
I, for one, appreciate the entertainment.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 26, 2010, 12:32:07 PM
Give a kid a Sandisk player and cut to 5 minutes. For one thing, there is no need to install and license itunes.
Apple does a decent job with ease of use but their real strengths at this point are: (1) design and (2) the app ecosystem. I personally find their walled garden to be very annoying to the point of being a deal-breaker (eg cant stream rhapsody on an ipod), but the typical consumer may not care. OTOH I also don't think their price premium is that steep, except for the ifanboyz who buy immediately on release.
remember to consider the 10-20% application price premium as well.
Apparently, Apple will save the future of journalism, so I for one welcome our white, shiny masters:
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/187623/what_an_apple_tablet_would_mean_for_publishing.html (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/187623/what_an_apple_tablet_would_mean_for_publishing.html)
Quote from: grumbler on January 26, 2010, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
I for one an impressed at how Apple can do hype. Look at all the hype - all without one official word from Apple. Now I have no doubt they've orchestrated some 'controlled leaks', but not once has Apple ever said what the hell they're releasing tomorrow.
It comes from knowing your fan base. Apple knows how to appeal to the excitable and the credulous, and it is their fan base, rather than Apple (as you note) who create the hype.
Steve Jobs could take a steaming shit on stage tomorrow, and half the audience would come away convinced they had watched a miracle. I congratulate Apple on their choice of fans. People with critical thinking skills generally avoid Apple due to price, but Apple knows that they can hook people into paying the price if it makes uncritical thinkers feel "special."
I, for one, appreciate the entertainment.
I also am entertained by the breathless hype, but I think you misunderstand how it's generated.
It's not (largely) from the fans. Instead it's the tech media. It's the media that's been reporting for months (years even) about the mythical mac tablet. It's the media that has put together mock-ups of the Tablet based on nothing but sheer speculation and a couple of known facts (such as that Apple has bought up a large supply of 10" touch screens).
This isn't just a bunch of apple fanbois posting on slashdot.
An example of the media hype:
Quote from: Tech CrunchOverheard: Steve Jobs Says Apple Tablet "Will Be The Most Important Thing I've Ever Done."
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2,386 retweet TOP100 by Michael Arrington on January 24, 2010
"This will be the most important thing I've ever done" – Steve Jobs, referring to the soon-to-be-launched Apple Tablet.
We haven't heard this first hand, but we've heard it multiple times second and third hand from completely independent sources. Senior Apple execs and friends of Jobs are telling people that he's about as excited about the upcoming Apple Tablet as he's ever been. Coming from the man who has created so much, that's saying something.
If Steve Jobs thinks the iPhone was just a warm up act to this device, I can't wait to see what it can do. As if our expectations weren't already set high enough. We'll all know a lot more this Wednesday.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/24/steve-jobs-tablet-most-important/
Second and third hand sources? Isn't that the same as, I dunno, gossip?
:lmfao:
Apple is playing these guys like a stradivarius.
If i didn't know any better I'd think an Apple fan stole grumbles girl.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
I for one an impressed at how Apple can do hype. Look at all the hype - all without one official word from Apple. Now I have no doubt they've orchestrated some 'controlled leaks', but not once has Apple ever said what the hell they're releasing tomorrow.
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Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:59:55 PM
I also am entertained by the breathless hype, but I think you misunderstand how it's generated.
It's not (largely) from the fans. Instead it's the tech media. It's the media that's been reporting for months (years even) about the mythical mac tablet. It's the media that has put together mock-ups of the Tablet based on nothing but sheer speculation and a couple of known facts (such as that Apple has bought up a large supply of 10" touch screens).
This isn't just a bunch of apple fanbois posting on slashdot.
I think you misunderstand how fanboyism works, and how it is exploited by Apple. The very types of people who go into the electronics media (and it is people, not media, who write stories) are the ones Apple targets to carry their message. Sure, the boy-on-the-street bit helps, but doesn't generate the headlines.
There is no difference between the tech media writers and the fans. That's what Apple has realized and exploited. While it is incredibly unprofessional of said writers, the types who fall into the hype trap are seldom gonna write professional-sounding pieces anyway, so Apple certainly isn't "corrupting" them.
Quote from: katmai on January 26, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
If i didn't know any better I'd think an Apple fan stole grumbles girl.
I am less critical of them than you, so this seems less likely for me than you.
I admire Apple greatly. The products that I dislike on Apple computers are not written by Apple.
Quote from: grumbler on January 26, 2010, 01:06:19 PM
I think you misunderstand how fanboyism works, and how it is exploited by Apple. The very types of people who go into the electronics media (and it is people, not media, who write stories) are the ones Apple targets to carry their message. Sure, the boy-on-the-street bit helps, but doesn't generate the headlines.
There is no difference between the tech media writers and the fans. That's what Apple has realized and exploited. While it is incredibly unprofessional of said writers, the types who fall into the hype trap are seldom gonna write professional-sounding pieces anyway, so Apple certainly isn't "corrupting" them.
Well this will quickly degenerate into a chicken and egg debate, so I'll bail.
But on the topic of Apple and media, I frequently check in on the Fake Steve Jobs blog. It's a tech writer posting a blog as the internal monologue of Steve Jobs. I find it amusing in an almost HST stream of consciousness way.
But as I said, the real writer was revealed as a tech writer (initally with Forbes, now with Newsweek). And he frequently lambastes other tech writers for being in the pocket of various tech companies (both Apple and others). And not just lame blog writers, but writers for major media outlets. It's an interesting 'behind the scenes' look into a topic I otherwise kenw nothing about.
Quote from: grumbler on January 26, 2010, 01:08:10 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 26, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
If i didn't know any better I'd think an Apple fan stole grumbles girl.
I am less critical of them than you, so this seems less likely for me than you.
:huh:
Apple blows and is gay.
Quote from: Brazen on January 26, 2010, 12:54:55 PM
Apparently, Apple will save the future of journalism, so I for one welcome our white, shiny masters:
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/187623/what_an_apple_tablet_would_mean_for_publishing.html (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/187623/what_an_apple_tablet_would_mean_for_publishing.html)
Get with the times B. It's your brushed aluminum masters. :worthy:
Quote from: The Brain on January 26, 2010, 01:16:23 PM
Apple blows and is gay.
We already knew that, why else would Marti be a fan?
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:59:55 PM
I also am entertained by the breathless hype, but I think you misunderstand how it's generated.
It's not (largely) from the fans. Instead it's the tech media. It's the media that's been reporting for months (years even) about the mythical mac tablet. It's the media that has put together mock-ups of the Tablet based on nothing but sheer speculation and a couple of known facts (such as that Apple has bought up a large supply of 10" touch screens).
This isn't just a bunch of apple fanbois posting on slashdot.
They feed off each other. Tech journos *might* be slightly more annoying, due to the standing ovations they give at Apple announcements/keynotes. Journalistic integrity-- what's that?
Speaking of Apple, did anyone else spot the Apple 1984 commercial playing on one of the monitors in Watchmen?
No. I seem to remember a blue cock and sculpted buttocks though.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 01:01:32 PM
Apple is playing these guys me like a stradivarius.
Fixed that for you...
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 01:01:32 PM
Apple is playing these guys me like a stradivarius.
Fixed that for you...
Again, I suggest you look at what I've posted, and not rely on what you think I've posted. :secret:
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 01:01:32 PM
Apple is playing these guys me like a stradivarius.
Fixed that for you...
Again, I suggest you look at what I've posted, and not rely on what you think I've posted. :secret:
That is exactly what I am looking at, fanbois.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 01:01:32 PM
Apple is playing these guys me like a stradivarius.
Fixed that for you...
Again, I suggest you look at what I've posted, and not rely on what you think I've posted. :secret:
That is exactly what I am looking at, fanbois.
Then show me 'spooging', quote me being played.
I'm quite curious what they're going to unveil because I generally like their products, but I'm not exactly lining up in front of an Apple Store. They make lots of things I don't buy - no Apple TV, no iPod Touch (still making due with a 2 1/2 year old nano). Hell, even after they were made available in Yukon I have decided against buying an iPhone.
Surely one can be intrigued by the hype without 'being played like a stradivarius'.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 01:01:32 PM
Apple is playing these guys me like a stradivarius.
Fixed that for you...
Again, I suggest you look at what I've posted, and not rely on what you think I've posted. :secret:
That is exactly what I am looking at, fanbois.
Then show me 'spooging', quote me being played.
I'm quite curious what they're going to unveil because I generally like their products, but I'm not exactly lining up in front of an Apple Store. They make lots of things I don't buy - no Apple TV, no iPod Touch (still making due with a 2 1/2 year old nano). Hell, even after they were made available in Yukon I have decided against buying an iPhone.
Surely one can be intrigued by the hype without 'being played like a stradivarius'.
Sorry iBeeb, your history of spooging over apple for the last year and more will not be ignored because you aren't going to buy the latest iThingy the day after it comes out.
My actual thoughts on the tablet:
-I'm intrigued. Bought a laptop 3 years ago think I'd use it on the road for internet and games. Instead my wife now primarily uses it to surf facebook and the like while in the bedroom. Tha laptop however sucks and I'd like to replace it, so a one-peice tablet could be almost ideal for that purpose.
-if it requires any kind of subscription I'm out
-our other big use for the laptop is playing DVDs. A DVD drive would be a big plus, however I'm guessing it won't have one.
-a lot of rumours about content tie-ins (tv, movies, books). Have to see what they come up with. Actualy content is good, proposals or possibilities are not.
-Flash could be the killer. A lot of the light surfing we wind up doing means accessing Flash video and games. I know the iPhone doesn't support Flash.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:05:45 PM
Sorry iBeeb, your history of spooging over apple for the last year and more will not be ignored because you aren't going to buy the latest iThingy the day after it comes out.
Oh. I see. You're not going to even pretend to respond to what I'm saying in this thread.
If it makes you happy, carry on then. I'm just glad we've cleared that up in case anyone else is confused. :hug:
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:05:45 PM
Sorry iBeeb, your history of spooging over apple for the last year and more will not be ignored because you aren't going to buy the latest iThingy the day after it comes out.
Oh. I see. You're not going to even pretend to respond to what I'm saying in this thread.
:huh:
Did I ever say my comments about you being an Apple fanbois had something to do with this thread in particular?
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If it makes you happy, carry on then. I'm just glad we've cleared that up in case anyone else is confused. :hug:
I don't think anyone is confused. Don't worry your Apply head about that! :P
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:20:20 PM
Did I ever say my comments about you being an Apple fanbois had something to do with this thread in particular?
Well since you've been quoting my words from this thread, then posting your own comments directly underneath, my natural assumption was that your comment was meant in reply to my words.
Silly me.
You've now clarified that your comments were not in fact in response to the words you quoted, and are instead in response to what you perceive as my "history of spooging over apple for the last year and more". Not sure why you bothered to quote me words from ths thread then, but I guess it's just one of those mysteries of life. :hug:
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:20:20 PM
Did I ever say my comments about you being an Apple fanbois had something to do with this thread in particular?
Well since you've been quoting my words from this thread, then posting your own comments directly underneath, my natural assumption was that your comment was meant in reply to my words.
Of course it is in reply to your words - that doesn't mean the content of my reply was based only on those words.
I am unsure why you find this so confusing. People post all the time referencing traits about posters that have formed outside the thread or threads actually being posted in.
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Silly me.
Indeed. I think you are just kind of light-headed right now over the prospect of seeing Steve speak.
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You've now clarified that your comments were not in fact in response to the words you quoted,
Uh oh, here you go again with the silliness.
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and are instead in response to what you perceive as my "history of spooging over apple for the last year and more". Not sure why you bothered to quote me words from ths thread then, but I guess it's just one of those mysteries of life. :hug:
I suspect the only person who finds this mysterious is you.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
I am unsure why you find this so confusing. People post all the time referencing traits about posters that have formed outside the thread or threads actually being posted in.
Isn't that called an
ad hominem? :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
I am unsure why you find this so confusing. People post all the time referencing traits about posters that have formed outside the thread or threads actually being posted in.
Isn't that called an ad hominem? :huh:
Are you sure you are a lawyer?
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
I am unsure why you find this so confusing. People post all the time referencing traits about posters that have formed outside the thread or threads actually being posted in.
Isn't that called an ad hominem? :huh:
Are you sure you are a lawyer?
Isn't that another
ad hominem? :huh:
Someone's going to get fired... :ph34r:
QuoteMcGraw-Hill outs Apple early: it's a tablet
By Jeff Smykil | Last updated January 26, 2010 5:15 PM
Textbook publisher and overall conglomerate McGraw-Hill outed Apple Tuesday on CNBC's Street Signs, confirming what everyone has known for some time now: Apple is releasing a tablet tomorrow (via MacRumors). CEO Terry McGraw explained that the company has been working with Apple for some time now and will offer 95 percent of its materials on the device that Apple will be announcing tomorrow.
According to the interview, which can be watched on CNBC's site (the Apple portion starts at 2:50), the device will run the iPhone OS, allowing for transferability between existing iPhone OS devices. It makes sense, then, that Apple will also launch some sort of e-book reading application for the iPod touch and iPhone either tomorrow or in the very near future. The interview ended with McGraw sating the tablet will be "really terrific" and that it will open up the higher education and the professional market for Apple.
The interview confirms what we heard last week: one of the markets Apple is aiming for with the tablet is higher education. The information from the CNBC interview is the first to come from a non-anonymous source. Of course, we still don't know all the details, so make sure you tune into our liveblog of Apple's event tomorrow at 10am Pacific Time.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/mcgraw-hill-outs-apple-its-a-tablet.ars
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 07:04:13 PM
Someone's going to get fired... :ph34r:
QuoteMcGraw-Hill outs Apple early: it's a tablet
By Jeff Smykil | Last updated January 26, 2010 5:15 PM
Textbook publisher and overall conglomerate McGraw-Hill outed Apple Tuesday on CNBC's Street Signs, confirming what everyone has known for some time now: Apple is releasing a tablet tomorrow (via MacRumors). CEO Terry McGraw explained that the company has been working with Apple for some time now and will offer 95 percent of its materials on the device that Apple will be announcing tomorrow.
According to the interview, which can be watched on CNBC's site (the Apple portion starts at 2:50), the device will run the iPhone OS, allowing for transferability between existing iPhone OS devices. It makes sense, then, that Apple will also launch some sort of e-book reading application for the iPod touch and iPhone either tomorrow or in the very near future. The interview ended with McGraw sating the tablet will be "really terrific" and that it will open up the higher education and the professional market for Apple.
The interview confirms what we heard last week: one of the markets Apple is aiming for with the tablet is higher education. The information from the CNBC interview is the first to come from a non-anonymous source. Of course, we still don't know all the details, so make sure you tune into our liveblog of Apple's event tomorrow at 10am Pacific Time.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/mcgraw-hill-outs-apple-its-a-tablet.ars
If it runs the iPhone OS, it already has a book-reader: the Kindle app.
That would be pretty cool if in the future they could use something like this to make textbooks in a whole new way using interactive features and multimedia. A straight electronic text version of a regular book isn't as exciting though. I'd prefer the real thing unless it's much cheaper for the electronic version.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:05:45 PM
Sorry iBeeb, your history of spooging over apple for the last year and more will not be ignored because you aren't going to buy the latest iThingy the day after it comes out.
:lol: iBeeb
Yesterday morning, my wife forgot to bring her iphone to work. So I brought it with me to hand it back to her over lunch. It so happened that I had non-stop meetings, and someone called her. My own (4 year old, gift) mobile is on permanent silent mode, so I never in a million years would imagine that a phone in my pocket would ring during a meeting.
The phone was ringing, people were looking at me, and I didn't know how to interact with the damn thing. I took it out, and asked Random_dude next to me if he knew how to switch it off. Mission accomplished in 2 seconds.
15 years ago when I studied business in university, Apple was considered a basket case. Doomed. It was an example of how not to run a company. Now, everybody owns iphones. Unbelievable.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 07:04:13 PM
Someone's going to get fired... :ph34r:
deliberate teaser.
my 2c: e-book reader w/o electronic ink or equivalent fails.
I still prefer the old Soviet-era technology eBooks: the ones made of paper.
That's because you're a relic. Get with the times, brah.
So it is an ibook. :lol:
Should have expected that one given I've been blabbing on about ereaders being the ipod of the next few years.
Hopefully, the iBook will be the nails in the coffin of e-paper.
This morning when I woke up, someone had knocked my tech cart over. :o
Apple wins again!
Quote from: Jaron on January 27, 2010, 09:42:23 AM
This morning when I woke up, someone had knocked my tech cart over. :o
Apple wins again!
Damn their cart-tipping hides! :ultra:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 26, 2010, 08:38:16 PM
my 2c: e-book reader w/o electronic ink or equivalent fails.
Really?
It's exactly why it will succeed. E-Ink is too slow, can't handle video or color & is a pain to produce.
The time has come... :ph34r:
It's name is:
iPad.
:huh:
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 01:14:18 PM
It's name is:
iPad.
:huh:
They're branching into women's hygienic products?
Retarded NAME!
Yes!
:lol:
I thought it was gonna be iPad
The name does not thrill me (although I getthe similarity to iPod).
And yes, it looks like a giant iPod Touch.
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So what does it do? Besides being bigger?
How much is it? Too expensive, I'm guessing.
So-- it's just a big-ass iPod touch, then? :D
Quote from: Syt on January 27, 2010, 01:20:57 PM
So what does it do?
What doesn't it do! :worthy:
No seriously, Jobso is still announcing it, so I have no idea. It does web browsing and email, plus presumably some other stuff.
Quote from: derspiess on January 27, 2010, 01:22:30 PM
So-- it's just a big-ass iPod touch, then? :D
From what i've read...yes yes it is.
GPS.
Sounds closer to an Iphone then an Ipod touch.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
GPS.
Sounds closer to an Iphone then an Ipod touch.
Er yeah I meant big ass Iphone.
It's tiny
Back to the hardware. 0.5" thin, 1.5 pounds, 9.7" IPS display, full multi-touch.
It seems like the giant mutated baby of an Ipod touch and an Iphone. I dunno. I'd have to see it in action to be convinced. At most it's a laptop/smartphone replacement.
1 GHz "Apple A4 chip", 16, 32, or 64 GB flash storage, 802.11n, Bluetooth, accelerometer, compass, speaker, mic. 10 hours battery life.
10 hrs? that's pretty decent if true.
Quote from: katmai on January 27, 2010, 01:31:12 PM
It's tiny
Back to the hardware. 0.5" thin, 1.5 pounds, 9.7" IPS display, full multi-touch.
They will probably have a iPad Maxi eventually, maybe even an iPad Ultra.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 27, 2010, 01:32:17 PM
It seems like the giant mutated baby of an Ipod touch and an Iphone. I dunno. I'd have to see it in action to be convinced. At most it's a laptop/smartphone replacement.
At the outset, Jobso said something like 'there's the laptop, then there's the smartphone, but we wondered if there was something inbetween'.
If anything, it's meant to be a netbook replacement. But this being Apple, they don't want you to replace either your Macbook or your iPhone, but rather want you to buy yet another product.
Quote from: Berkut on January 27, 2010, 01:34:54 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 27, 2010, 01:31:12 PM
It's tiny
Back to the hardware. 0.5" thin, 1.5 pounds, 9.7" IPS display, full multi-touch.
They will probably have a iPad Maxi eventually, maybe even an iPad Ultra.
I'm waiting for the one with wings. :p
Quote from: Brazen on January 26, 2010, 12:54:55 PM
Apparently, Apple will save the future of journalism, so I for one welcome our white, shiny masters:
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/187623/what_an_apple_tablet_would_mean_for_publishing.html (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/187623/what_an_apple_tablet_would_mean_for_publishing.html)
The self-importance of that article is astounding.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 27, 2010, 01:32:17 PM
It seems like the giant mutated baby of an Ipod touch and an Iphone. I dunno. I'd have to see it in action to be convinced. At most it's a laptop/smartphone replacement.
At the outset, Jobso said something like 'there's the laptop, then there's the smartphone, but we wondered if there was something inbetween'.
If anything, it's meant to be a netbook replacement. But this being Apple, they don't want you to replace either your Macbook or your iPhone, but rather want you to buy yet another product.
No need for netbook, so i don't see a need for this.
Compatible with iPhone apps out of the box. That's nice.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 27, 2010, 01:32:17 PM
It seems like the giant mutated baby of an Ipod touch and an Iphone. I dunno. I'd have to see it in action to be convinced. At most it's a laptop/smartphone replacement.
At the outset, Jobso said something like 'there's the laptop, then there's the smartphone, but we wondered if there was something inbetween'.
If anything, it's meant to be a netbook replacement. But this being Apple, they don't want you to replace either your Macbook or your iPhone, but rather want you to buy yet another product.
well ideally for me, I'd have something like this or a macbook pro, and a desktop system. an iphone would be overkill for me. it would be a replacement. Hell I have two laptops that I rarely use as is. My phone, once or twice a week, I use it.
I do like the look of it though, the ipad.
- Music player is a hybrid between iPhone and regular iTunes.
- Showing off browsing: Apple, New York Times, Time, Fandango. One article appears to show plug-in error...no Flash?
that bolded part annoys me about iphone.
Quote from: katmai on January 27, 2010, 01:36:11 PM
No need for netbook, so i don't see a need for this.
I've considered a netbook, so I can see a use (not a need!) for this.
No flash. Doesn't fold like a netbook. Harder to carry than a smartphone. Ludicrously expensive despite being closer to the smartphone end of the scale.
Congratulations, Apple. *golf clap*
I don't like the hard to carry aspect. They had better make them durable. I see a lot of dropped pads in the future.
There are legit complaints (no Flash), but hard to carry? :huh:
It's slightly smaller than a laptop, and a hell of a lot lighter. It's not pocket-sized, but there's no way it's hard to carry, any more than a pad of paper is hard to carry.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 01:51:37 PM
There are legit complaints (no Flash), but hard to carry? :huh:
It's slightly smaller than a laptop, and a hell of a lot lighter. It's not pocket-sized, but there's no way it's hard to carry, any more than a pad of paper is hard to carry.
Forget it beeb, it's banana.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 01:51:37 PM
There are legit complaints (no Flash), but hard to carry? :huh:
It's slightly smaller than a laptop, and a hell of a lot lighter. It's not pocket-sized, but there's no way it's hard to carry, any more than a pad of paper is hard to carry.
Yeah; that's my own misguided faith in mankind's resistance to the concept of a man-purse.
Still, it's big for a handheld and small for something to be in a case. Also, did they mention price point? I'm seeing $700 being bandied about quite a bit, and $700 for a glorified iPod that doesn't fit in your pocket seems insane.
EDIT: I'm not really lazy. I carry around a 16" laptop in a case most of the time; it just seems like this is too big for keeping in hands or putting in pockets and too small to be worth carrying around in a case. When Sega put out the Nomad, it failed largely because of being in that bizarre in-between size.
Here's where it gets interesting.
iBooks, new app very similar to iTunes. 5 major publishers (Penguin, Harper Collins, Simon and Schuster, MacMillan and Hachette) have books available for download starting today.
It looks like an extra large TV remote you buy for seniors.
epubs!
I'm surprised.
Quote from: katmai on January 27, 2010, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
GPS.
Sounds closer to an Iphone then an Ipod touch.
Er yeah I meant big ass Iphone.
No UMTS, it's a broken big ass iPhone.
;)
I'm not familiar with Apple products; could you put a wireless card on something like this?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 02:02:10 PM
epubs!
I'm surprised.
I saw the reference, but it means nothing to me. :huh: What is ePub?
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
I'm not familiar with Apple products; could you put a wireless card on something like this?
Comes with "n" wireless, I'm still expecting a cellphone tie-in.
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 27, 2010, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 01:29:46 PM
GPS.
Sounds closer to an Iphone then an Ipod touch.
Er yeah I meant big ass Iphone.
No UMTS, it's a broken big ass iPhone.
;)
I'm not familiar with Apple products; could you put a wireless card on something like this?
No. It has 802.11n built in.
It looks pretty cool. I'm hoping they come out with a clamshell version with a keyboard attached to the bottom of the screen.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
I'm not familiar with Apple products; could you put a wireless card on something like this?
Comes with "n" wireless, I'm still expecting a cellphone tie-in.
Bluetooth, some kind of gimmickery with the dock.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 02:02:10 PM
epubs!
I'm surprised.
I saw the reference, but it means nothing to me. :huh: What is ePub?
Free & open e-book format!
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
I'm not familiar with Apple products; could you put a wireless card on something like this?
Comes with "n" wireless, I'm still expecting a cellphone tie-in.
I meant HSDPA/HSUPA (or EvDo) for mobility.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 01:59:10 PM
Here's where it gets interesting.
iBooks, new app very similar to iTunes. 5 major publishers (Penguin, Harper Collins, Simon and Schuster, MacMillan and Hachette) have books available for download starting today.
Unnecessary...with the iPhone OS compatibility it already has access to Barnes and Noble and Amazon.
Quote from: ulmont on January 27, 2010, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 01:59:10 PM
Here's where it gets interesting.
iBooks, new app very similar to iTunes. 5 major publishers (Penguin, Harper Collins, Simon and Schuster, MacMillan and Hachette) have books available for download starting today.
Unnecessary...with the iPhone OS compatibility it already has access to Barnes and Noble and Amazon.
Not unnecessary for Apple - this way they get to cut out the middleman. :shifty:
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 02:07:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
I'm not familiar with Apple products; could you put a wireless card on something like this?
Comes with "n" wireless, I'm still expecting a cellphone tie-in.
I meant HSDPA/HSUPA (or EvDo) for mobility.
Nothing announced, but I'd bet money on there being something.
Knock the price down to 200 bucks and I'll think about it.
3G with AT&T
29.99$ Unlimited Data.
Rogers is going to fuck us up the ass when it comes to canada
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 27, 2010, 02:16:10 PM
Knock the price down to 200 bucks and I'll think about it.
That's not going to happen and you know it.
Starts at 499$
That's not bad.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 02:16:29 PM
3G with AT&T
29.99$ Unlimited Data.
Awesome, they are going to lock in with the shittiest coverage in the country again! Way to go!
64gb with Wifi & 3g is 829$
Docks, Keyboards. It's an apple extravaganza.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:18:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 27, 2010, 02:16:10 PM
Knock the price down to 200 bucks and I'll think about it.
That's not going to happen and you know it.
I guess I'm not cool enough for Apple and iHipsters then.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 27, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:18:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 27, 2010, 02:16:10 PM
Knock the price down to 200 bucks and I'll think about it.
That's not going to happen and you know it.
I guess I'm not cool enough for Apple and iHipsters then.
We already knew that grandpa.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 02:16:29 PM
3G with AT&T
29.99$ Unlimited Data.
Rogers is going to fuck us up the ass when it comes to canada
Anyone who would buy this piece of junk deserves the expense.
Quote from: Berkut on January 27, 2010, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:21:50 PM
That's not bad.
:lmfao:
Seriously. This thing is a giant iPhone. Without subsidies, the iPhone starts at that same price. When you consider the extra cost of the larger screen, the price seems reasonable.
Whether it's "worth it" is a whole different question, but those specs, those dimensions, that seems like a good price (but of course in typical Apple fasion if you load up the accessories and options the price quickly mounts up).
I don't want it and I don't need it. And Jobs is gay.
No multitasking :lol:
Kudos to them for making a $499 version, but if I were going to buy something like this, I'd go for the Archos 9 running Win7 https://store.archos.com/product_info.php?id=96
Or I'd sacrifice screen size & go with Android awesomeness: http://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos_5it/index.html
In any case, it is amusing to yet again hear Apple act as if they invented a product line that already existed.
My thought:
This seems like a device designed to be used while sitting on the couch. It almost sounds designed to be used by my wife (who likes to watch tv in the bedroom, while surfing the web on the laptop). It's something I'd consider buying for her, maybe for Christmas 2010.
Myself, I have trouble seeing where it'd fit into my life, although I think it sounds neat.
:)
So this falls between a laptop and a smartphone? :unsure: As someone with a regular Windows laptop and an iphone, what does this thing give me that I don't already have? Is it essentially just a touchscreen Netbook type deal?
QuoteThis seems like a device designed to be used while sitting on the couch. It almost sounds designed to be used by my wife (who likes to watch tv in the bedroom, while surfing the web on the laptop). It's something I'd consider buying for her, maybe for Christmas 2010.
Yeah both my wife and I do that while we're watching TV. There are laptops and desktops and goddamn iphones all over this house. :nerd:
Quote from: derspiess on January 27, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
In any case, it is amusing to yet again hear Apple act as if they invented a product line that already existed.
Yet amazingly they manage to get away with it, and manage to redfine the product line.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:29:27 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 27, 2010, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:21:50 PM
That's not bad.
:lmfao:
Seriously. This thing is a giant iPhone. Without subsidies, the iPhone starts at that same price.
Except that in the real world, nobody buys it for that price - an iPhone is $199. And that $499 tag is for the completely gimped version.
The "good" iPhone is $300, so compare that to the "good" iPad at $850. You are getting into the prices for pretty decent laptops at that point.
It isn't a terrible price for Apples normal ridiculously over-priced products, but to call it "not bad" is pretty amusing. Of course it is bad, as long as you are comparing apples to non-apples, anyway.
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Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 27, 2010, 02:53:26 PM
So this falls between a laptop and a smartphone? :unsure: As someone with a regular Windows laptop and an iphone, what does this thing give me that I don't already have? Is it essentially just a touchscreen Netbook type deal?
You've pretty much got it. It does everything an iPhone does, yet with a larger screen (don't laugh - that could be nice for watching movies, reading books, playing games). It does 90% of what a laptop does, yet much lighter and with better battery life.
Quote from: Berkut on January 27, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
Except that in the real world, nobody buys it for that price - an iPhone is $199. And that $499 tag is for the completely gimped version.
The "good" iPhone is $300, so compare that to the "good" iPad at $850. You are getting into the prices for pretty decent laptops at that point.
It isn't a terrible price for Apples normal ridiculously over-priced products, but to call it "not bad" is pretty amusing. Of course it is bad, as long as you are comparing apples to non-apples, anyway.
Speaking of comparing 'apples to non-apples', you can't possible comopare an iPhone sold with a massive carrier subsidy (and an enormous 3 year contract) to an unlocked device.
And Speiss's Archos tablet seemed to be the same price as the iPad.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:58:27 PM
You've pretty much got it. It does everything an iPhone does, yet with a larger screen (don't laugh - that could be nice for watching movies, reading books, playing games). It does 90% of what a laptop does, yet much lighter and with better battery life.
Seems reasonably cool, like those Archos things speiss was mentioning. I kind of wonder if the iPhone OS and such might be a little too limited for something like this though. I wonder why they didn't just put....what is it Snow Leopard?...on there instead. Surely it can run it.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 27, 2010, 03:02:59 PM
Seems reasonably cool, like those Archos things speiss was mentioning. I kind of wonder if the iPhone OS and such might be a little too limited for something like this though. I wonder why they didn't just put....what is it Snow Leopard?...on there instead. Surely it can run it.
I think it goes like this:
-put Snow Leopard on it and you are selling it to Mac users (a small niche)
-put iPhone OS on it and you are selling it to iPhone users (a much larger niche)
Plus Snow Leopard runs on Intel chips, while this sucker uses some fancy proprietary ARM chip. OS X apps wouldn't automatically run in the iPad, whereas one of the selling points of this thing is that each of the 100k+ iPhone apps will run on this from day one.
It sounds pretty cool. I'm sure as hell not buying one in the immediate future, but it sounds cool.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 03:06:38 PM
I think it goes like this:
-put Snow Leopard on it and you are selling it to Mac users (a small niche)
-put iPhone OS on it and you are selling it to iPhone users (a much larger niche)
Plus Snow Leopard runs on Intel chips, while this sucker uses some fancy proprietary ARM chip. OS X apps wouldn't automatically run in the iPad, whereas one of the selling points of this thing is that each of the 100k+ iPhone apps will run on this from day one.
It sounds pretty cool. I'm sure as hell not buying one in the immediate future, but it sounds cool.
Yeah that makes sense about the sales. I suppose I might be in the minority that is an iPhone but not a Mac user, but would probably give it more of a look if it had a "full" OS, instead of the one I'm looking at now. I like the long battery life though. Oh well.
Yay! A Newton!
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 27, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
Except that in the real world, nobody buys it for that price - an iPhone is $199. And that $499 tag is for the completely gimped version.
The "good" iPhone is $300, so compare that to the "good" iPad at $850. You are getting into the prices for pretty decent laptops at that point.
It isn't a terrible price for Apples normal ridiculously over-priced products, but to call it "not bad" is pretty amusing. Of course it is bad, as long as you are comparing apples to non-apples, anyway.
Speaking of comparing 'apples to non-apples', you can't possible comopare an iPhone sold with a massive carrier subsidy (and an enormous 3 year contract) to an unlocked device.
Then why were you doing so?
Quote
And Speiss's Archos tablet seemed to be the same price as the iPad.
Selling like hotcakes is that thing?
Not what I wanted.
I'm interested in a tablet of some sort, and many of Apple's design concepts are attractive, but this is not what I want.
I'll give it another look when they come out with the next version. When is that likely? Another year or two?
Quote from: Jacob on January 27, 2010, 03:37:06 PM
Not what I wanted.
I'm interested in a tablet of some sort, and many of Apple's design concepts are attractive, but this is not what I want.
I'll give it another look when they come out with the next version. When is that likely? Another year or two?
If it's anything like the first Newton, there won't be a second version.
Quote from: katmai on January 27, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
- Music player is a hybrid between iPhone and regular iTunes.
- Showing off browsing: Apple, New York Times, Time, Fandango. One article appears to show plug-in error...no Flash?
that bolded part annoys me about iphone.
Heh.
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My Android phone has
weak flash support :)
Quote from: Jacob on January 27, 2010, 03:37:06 PM
Not what I wanted.
I'm interested in a tablet of some sort, and many of Apple's design concepts are attractive, but this is not what I want.
I'll give it another look when they come out with the next version. When is that likely? Another year or two?
Typically Apple does a refresh about once a year. iPods and iPhones have been almost religiously on that schedule. iMacs and MacBooks are generally on that schedule. A few niche products (Apple TV, Mac Mini) have at times gone years without a refresh.
Depending on what you want though, waiting a year may not change much. The iPhone has gained capabilities, but is still fundamentally the same as the 1st gen.
Quote from: Berkut on January 27, 2010, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: BarristerSpeaking of comparing 'apples to non-apples', you can't possible comopare an iPhone sold with a massive carrier subsidy (and an enormous 3 year contract) to an unlocked device.
Then why were you doing so?
Quote
I wasn't. :huh: I was comparing an unlocked, unsubsidized iPhone to this thing (which is also unlocked and unsubsidized).
Quote
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And Speiss's Archos tablet seemed to be the same price as the iPad.
Selling like hotcakes is that thing?
There's two separate issues here.
1. Is the item overpriced for the components you get? I think the answer is no, this isn't just an outrageously marked-up "apple taxed" product.
2. Is the item too expensive for what people are willing to pay? That's a very different question. And I guess we'll find out. Myself I have no idea, not being an expert in consumer eletronics marketing.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Depending on what you want though, waiting a year may not change much. The iPhone has gained capabilities, but is still fundamentally the same as the 1st gen.
There have been major changes in the phone part of the iPhone. The first generation was GPRS/Edge, second generation was UMTS and the third generation is UMTS 7.2 compatible.
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Depending on what you want though, waiting a year may not change much. The iPhone has gained capabilities, but is still fundamentally the same as the 1st gen.
There have been major changes in the phone part of the iPhone. The first generation was GPRS/Edge, second generation was UMTS and the third generation is UMTS 7.2 compatible.
I agree those are major changes to an electrical engineer. :)
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Depending on what you want though, waiting a year may not change much. The iPhone has gained capabilities, but is still fundamentally the same as the 1st gen.
There have been major changes in the phone part of the iPhone. The first generation was GPRS/Edge, second generation was UMTS and the third generation is UMTS 7.2 compatible.
I agree those are major changes to an electrical engineer. :)
:lol:
He got you there Sav.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 04:26:53 PM
There have been major changes in the phone part of the iPhone. The first generation was GPRS/Edge, second generation was UMTS and the third generation is UMTS 7.2 compatible.
I agree those are major changes to an electrical engineer. :)
They should be noticeable changes for the consumer too; EDGE is incredibly slow relative to the current version of UMTS.
Quote from: Iormlund on January 27, 2010, 04:46:13 PM
:lol:
He got you there Sav.
:P
The maximum speed of the first iPhone was 200 KB/s, the maximum speed of the current phone is 14 MB/s. I think even a lawyer could tell the difference between those two.
Quote from: Berkut on January 27, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
Except that in the real world, nobody buys it for that price - an iPhone is $199. And that $499 tag is for the completely gimped version.
We buy a lot of unlocked iPhones to bribe our clients. I doubt we're alone in this.
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on January 27, 2010, 04:46:13 PM
:lol:
He got you there Sav.
:P
The maximum speed of the first iPhone was 60 KB/s, the maximum speed of the current phone is 14 MB/s. I think even a lawyer could tell the difference between those two.
I more meant however that the changes in the iPhone have been evolutionary, not revolutionary. Faster downloads, faster processor, bigger camera, more memory.
It's never gained a physical keyboard.
So depending on what Jacob thought was missing in this thing, waiting for the next generation might not fix whatever he's looking for.
Quote from: Savonarola on January 27, 2010, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on January 27, 2010, 04:46:13 PM
:lol:
He got you there Sav.
:P
The maximum speed of the first iPhone was 60 KB/s, the maximum speed of the current phone is 14 MB/s. I think even a lawyer could tell the difference between those two.
I don't know. Having worked at something close to tech support, my faith in mankind is not that high. :P
Anyway, most people buy this phone for the same reasons they buy a Mercedes or BMW: the logo. Not whether it has 3G or GPRS.
Meanwhile I bought a crappy-brand car because it was cheap, well built, had a nice warranty, 5 EuroNCAP stars, independent suspension and chain instead of belt. And people who bought an A3 for twice what I paid look down on me. :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
There's two separate issues here.
1. Is the item overpriced for the components you get? I think the answer is no, this isn't just an outrageously marked-up "apple taxed" product.
2. Is the item too expensive for what people are willing to pay? That's a very different question. And I guess we'll find out. Myself I have no idea, not being an expert in consumer eletronics marketing.
For an Apple product, it's reasonably priced.
Having said that, for what you are paying you are getting a severely gimped device in comparison to that Archos 9, which can do multitasking, runs Win7 & therefore is compatible with a multitude of USB devices, has a video output to a larger monitor, etc., etc.
Tablets by their very nature are luxury devices at any practical price. They can't replace a smartphone nor a laptop (or even a netbook IMO), so they fall somewhere in the middle. Although I've been wrong about Apple products before, I can't see the iPad doing too well, even among the kool-aid drinkers.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:52:14 PM
Myself, I have trouble seeing where it'd fit into my life, although I think it sounds neat.
:)
Do you even have a cellphone yet, BB? ;)
Quote from: derspiess on January 27, 2010, 05:09:43 PM
Tablets by their very nature are luxury devices at any practical price. They can't replace a smartphone nor a laptop (or even a netbook IMO), so they fall somewhere in the middle. Although I've been wrong about Apple products before, I can't see the iPad doing too well, even among the kool-aid drinkers.
I don't know. There's a lot of peeps who just love Apple gizmos (not me, though I own an Ipod). I am actually imagining half the peeps posting on this thread have hard-ons just thinking about it. (which is not something I'm enjoying imagining.)
Quote from: Josephus on January 27, 2010, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 02:52:14 PM
Myself, I have trouble seeing where it'd fit into my life, although I think it sounds neat.
:)
Do you even have a cellphone yet, BB? ;)
No. :) :Canuck:
Edit: of course I said earlier on that requiring a monthly payment was a deal breaker for me. It seems the iPad doesn't.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 27, 2010, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 27, 2010, 01:34:54 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 27, 2010, 01:31:12 PM
It's tiny
Back to the hardware. 0.5" thin, 1.5 pounds, 9.7" IPS display, full multi-touch.
They will probably have a iPad Maxi eventually, maybe even an iPad Ultra.
I'm waiting for the one with wings. :p
You son of a bitch, I was waiting all thread to use that one. :mad:
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 26, 2010, 08:38:16 PM
my 2c: e-book reader w/o electronic ink or equivalent fails.
Really?
It's exactly why it will succeed. E-Ink is too slow, can't handle video or color & is a pain to produce.
Really. Because e-ink is by far the superior technology for *reading*.
I don't read books with video and most books that I have read since the 2nd grade don't have color so that isn't an issue. In any event, e-ink like technologies with color will probably appear by the end of the year for those who have to have it.
Basic question re e-book reader: can I spend a full NY-SF flight reading the e-book in comfort? Kindle, Nook, Sony, etc. all pass, as do all readers based on e-ink or e-ink like technology. A stretch itouch with an ordinary LCD screen doesn't even come close, even assuming the battery could actually hold up.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 27, 2010, 07:08:56 PM
Basic question re e-book reader: can I spend a full NY-SF flight reading the e-book in comfort? Kindle, Nook, Sony, etc. all pass, as do all readers based on e-ink or e-ink like technology. A stretch itouch with an ordinary LCD screen doesn't even come close, even assuming the battery could actually hold up.
That's a question I have (having never used an e-ink reader), is do LCDs really cause that many people problems? I wind up spending a good chunk of my day in front of an LCD and haven't found it that much of a problem.
That being said, I have trouble imagining my moving away from hard copy books to e-books, but who knows.
Apple promises 10 hour battery life, and while factoring in some "best case scenario" marketing speak should still be plenty for a cross-country flight.
I surfed a couple of Apple "fanboi" type sites. The reaction tended to be that this looks pretty cool, but many people were unsure if they'd actually go out and buy one.
I've got an LCD e-reader, and I have no problems for 1-2 hour stretches. I have no idea if I could tolerate it longer, as I have no desire to read more than that at a time.
I want one. Since my birthday is up in March I might get one.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 27, 2010, 07:08:56 PM
Really. Because e-ink is by far the superior technology for *reading*.
Yep. For me, the closer you get to actual ink & paper, the better.
There is real ink & paper for that.
I believe e-ink is bound to fail. The Solution isn't LCD, of course. Maybe that translucent screen shown at CES.
Re: the itampon. No multitasking? Windows 3.1 could multitask for the love of gawd.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 07:20:04 PM
I surfed a couple of Apple "fanboi" type sites. The reaction tended to be that this looks pretty cool, but many people were unsure if they'd actually go out and buy one.
Steve Jobs could take a shit in a cardboard box and put it up for sale with a pricetag of $899.99 and the people on Apple fanboi sites would think it looks pretty cool and would be unsure about going out and buying it. :)
I'm surprised there's no camera on this thing. A big webcam button to smash your paw against and old people could just pass this thing around and talk.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 08:56:30 PM
There is real ink & paper for that.
Yeah, that's my current 'solution'. But there's real value in being able to carry hundreds of books with you, in a device the size of or smaller than one of those books in paper format.
With ebooks getting cheaper, I may get one this year.
QuoteI believe e-ink is bound to fail. The Solution isn't LCD, of course. Maybe that translucent screen shown at CES.
Yeah, that's the popular buzz. But I think it will last a bit longer, particularly if it's improved.
Quote from: derspiess on January 27, 2010, 09:51:27 PMthere's real value in being able to carry hundreds of books with you, in a device the size of or smaller than one of those books in paper format.
There's real value in not having to store hundreds of books in your house in physical form, period.
But there's real value in having hundreds of physical books in your house. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 10:02:59 PM
But there's real value in having hundreds of physical books in your house. :contract:
Only until you run out of bookcases.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 10:02:59 PM
But there's real value in having hundreds of physical books in your house. :contract:
There would be for me if I had more space :(
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 27, 2010, 09:15:16 PM
I'm surprised there's no camera on this thing. A big webcam button to smash your paw against and old people could just pass this thing around and talk.
The lack of a built in webcam is rather suspicious. Think 2.0 and an extra $250.
Quote from: Josephus on January 27, 2010, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 27, 2010, 09:15:16 PM
I'm surprised there's no camera on this thing. A big webcam button to smash your paw against and old people could just pass this thing around and talk.
The lack of a built in webcam is rather suspicious. Think 2.0 and an extra $250.
Nah.
Apple's MO is that they don't raise prices. Instead what they do is instead of lowering prices (since computer components get cheaper every year) they increase specs by adding features, and keeping the same price point.
Quote from: Caliga on January 27, 2010, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 07:20:04 PM
I surfed a couple of Apple "fanboi" type sites. The reaction tended to be that this looks pretty cool, but many people were unsure if they'd actually go out and buy one.
Steve Jobs could take a shit in a cardboard box and put it up for sale with a pricetag of $899.99 and the people on Apple fanboi sites would think it looks pretty cool and would be unsure about going out and buying it. :)
INdeed, and some people on Languish, although I won't name any names, will say something like "Well, it is a pretty good price for an Apple product, although I am not sure I really need one...sure does smell nice though!"
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 27, 2010, 02:05:31 PM
It looks pretty cool. I'm hoping they come out with a clamshell version with a keyboard attached to the bottom of the screen.
They'd probably have done better with a tablet-ized MacBook Air
I like how, on languish, there was a serious lack of an apple fanboi that wasn't a fanboi for the bad reasons and BB came along & changed that.
Nature filled the void, it's beautifull.
All the left out features just scream of a 2.0 next year, and again shows the attricious arrogance of Apple. They know full well the fanbois will buy this nerfed release and will say "thank you can I buy it on double price please" when they release the proper one later this year.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 08:56:30 PM
There is real ink & paper for that.
I believe e-ink is bound to fail.
e-ink has already succeeded.
The question is whether the the E-ink's Corporation's elabroration of the technology will ultimately prevail, or whether it will be overtaken by a competitor such as Qualcomm's Mirasol, which is rumored to be hitting the market in early 2010, perhaps through Amazon.
But either way there will be a market for e-readers that use a technology conceptually similar to e-ink: namely, one that closely replicates the ink-and-paper experience and provides long battery life. The ipad as desgined in just not a seriousl player in that market.
I just made 500 bucks in the last hour shorting AAPL.
The iPad is a money maker.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 28, 2010, 11:41:54 AM
I just made 500 bucks in the last hour shorting AAPL.
Buy an iPad! :w00t:
L.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 28, 2010, 07:32:39 AM
I like how, on languish, there was a serious lack of an apple fanboi that wasn't a fanboi for the bad reasons and BB came along & changed that.
Nature filled the void, it's beautifull.
Whats the "bad reasons"? :huh:
And I've always been an Apple fan. First computer was an Apple II, parents have owned nothing but Apples since that same Apple II. 2 years ago I just returned to the fold. -_-
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Quote from: Tonitrus on January 28, 2010, 12:05:39 PM
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:lol:
It's a 1st gen hardware. So of course it's kind of broken. Needs real world user experience and input before it actually becomes useful, cheaper. Like the iphone, the 1st gen ones were bricks compared to the new models. never buy 1st gen unless you like being an extended beta tester.
my reaction to it as a whole= :mellow:
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 28, 2010, 01:00:36 PM
It's a 1st gen hardware. So of course it's kind of broken. Needs real world user experience and input before it actually becomes useful, cheaper. Like the iphone, the 1st gen ones were bricks compared to the new models. never buy 1st gen unless you like being an extended beta tester.
my reaction to it as a whole= :mellow:
Oh yeah the bugs and such will have to be ironed out by the customers' feedback.
But do you really think the lack of a flash player, various commonly used ports, etc. are things that never crossed the mind of the Apple crew? Come on.
so? has anything been upset yet?
Quote from: Tamas on January 28, 2010, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 28, 2010, 01:00:36 PM
It's a 1st gen hardware. So of course it's kind of broken. Needs real world user experience and input before it actually becomes useful, cheaper. Like the iphone, the 1st gen ones were bricks compared to the new models. never buy 1st gen unless you like being an extended beta tester.
my reaction to it as a whole= :mellow:
Oh yeah the bugs and such will have to be ironed out by the customers' feedback.
But do you really think the lack of a flash player, various commonly used ports, etc. are things that never crossed the mind of the Apple crew? Come on.
I'm sure they did. But as others have also said: Apple (and lots of other companies) bring out unfinished products all the time. They are listening for what people scream the loudest about lacking, then bring out a slightly more expensive version with some of those changes, but not all, those are for rounds 2 and 3 etc.
It's all about getting people to spend money.
Quote from: Tamas on January 28, 2010, 01:06:20 PM
But do you really think the lack of a flash player, various commonly used ports, etc. are things that never crossed the mind of the Apple crew? Come on.
They don't want that stuff. They don't like open systems. No flash means no surfing the web for games or using flash apps, you go to their store if you need something.
Quote from: Iormlund on January 27, 2010, 05:06:57 PM
Meanwhile I bought a crappy-brand car because it was cheap, well built, had a nice warranty, 5 EuroNCAP stars, independent suspension and chain instead of belt. And people who bought an A3 for twice what I paid look down on me. :lol:
EuroNCAP does not say that much as it is less comprehensive than American or Japanese crash test standards. You can optimize your car to fulfill just the 3 or 4 crash tests that EuroNCAP does. Renault did this a lot because they don't sell cars in America or Japan so they don't have to fulfill the more comprehensive criteria.
Apparently, Fujitsu has the iPad name registered since 2003. :lol:
Quote from: The Larch on January 28, 2010, 01:46:47 PM
Apparently, Fujitsu has the iPad name registered since 2003. :lol:
They must have worked something out with Fujitsu.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 28, 2010, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 28, 2010, 01:06:20 PM
But do you really think the lack of a flash player, various commonly used ports, etc. are things that never crossed the mind of the Apple crew? Come on.
They don't want that stuff. They don't like open systems. No flash means no surfing the web for games or using flash apps, you go to their store if you need something.
Not liking Flash has little to do with not liking open systems. There are other means of streaming video, playing games. They just make a point of not liking Flash.
Quote from: The Larch on January 28, 2010, 01:46:47 PM
Apparently, Fujitsu has the iPad name registered since 2003. :lol:
According to what I was reading, it wasn't actually
registered, per se. The claim was never approved, considered abandoned and subsequently released by the USPTO and
another pending filing has been going on since June. They're banking on the earlier development to lay claim to the trademark.
Basically, it's a race to see who gets the paperwork authorized first.
Quote from: Barrister on January 28, 2010, 01:58:25 PMThere are other means of streaming video, playing games.
Like going to the Apple store
Quote from: Barrister on January 28, 2010, 01:58:25 PM
Not liking Flash has little to do with not liking open systems.
In Apple's case, I'm pretty sure has plenty to do with it.
Quote from: derspiess on January 28, 2010, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 28, 2010, 01:58:25 PM
Not liking Flash has little to do with not liking open systems.
In Apple's case, I'm pretty sure has plenty to do with it.
But Flash isn't an open system. It's controlled by Adobe. :huh:
No, it's open.
Quote from: Barrister on January 28, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 28, 2010, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 28, 2010, 01:58:25 PM
Not liking Flash has little to do with not liking open systems.
In Apple's case, I'm pretty sure has plenty to do with it.
But Flash isn't an open system. It's controlled by Adobe. :huh:
That is like saying Java is not an open system because Sun controls it.
:huh: indeed.
Oracle now, they just updated the Java api pages with Oracle logos.
I hope they don't tell me I cannot write anymore Java software, since they control it and all.
Quote from: Barrister on January 28, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
But Flash isn't an open system. It's controlled by Adobe. :huh:
:frusty: What I am trying to say is that Apple does not support Flash in the iPhone OS because Flash would open the OS's closed architecture too much for Apple's tastes, and would make many of the apps redundant.
To put it a slightly different way, Apple wants to control your experience as much as possible, and Flash would hinder their ability to do so. And if that's what they want, fine. I just wish they would be honest about it.
Apple's a closed OS in that they want all their native code to stay in-house. They could theoretically add in their own version of Flash support, but it'd be guaranteed to be so buggy as to be useless unless they actually allowed Adobe's devs access to the code of the iPhone OS.
Also, Spiess is right; Apple doesn't want any part of the "iPhone/iPad experience" to be free unless they say so. With the ability to author freeware clones of iPhone apps in Flash, it's not surprising that they'd refuse to support it.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 28, 2010, 01:00:36 PM
It's a 1st gen hardware. So of course it's kind of broken.
Not really. There are a surprising amount of tablet devices out there, slate or butterfly, for field, military or industrial conditions. Touch screens have been the standard for years in the industry so there's a lot of experience building those.
As for more normal markets, there are things like the Asus Eee PC T91s which we use to set up solar trackers (very cheap compared to a rugged slate, battery lasts quite a while, weights less than a Kg and you don't have to take your gloves off which is great during winter). The only thing that keeps me from buying one is that Youtube is a bit laggy on the Atom CPU. Well that and that I can use the ones at work anytime (got one beside my bed right now). :P
Oh, and it's cheaper than the iPad, too, despite having USBs, multitasking and all sort of apparently useless stuff. :lol:
So, in summary, it sounds like Steve Jobs did indeed take a shit in a box and the Appletards still want to buy it. :)
Did somebody post the link to the obligatory Hitler Youtube video ranting about IPad? Not as funny as some of the other stuff they've done with that Hitler vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4
Jeez. I had an Averatec hybrid tablet/laptop in 2005 that only set me back $800. I'd still have it if I hadn't needed to sell it because I needed money.
Pee Wee knows what the iPad is good for for
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f7a03edbd7/pee-wee-gets-an-ipad
finally went to apple and checked out features and specs. it's obviously meant for old people or luddites just learning about these new fangled computer thingies, much like the iphone imo(or blackberry or any of those "smart" phones, or as I call them, portable brains. Many people have decided to wear their brains on the outside. smartphone=dumb person.
and by dumb I don't mean stupid, per se, just unengaged from real life. have a human interaction: it's old school, and occasionally refreshing.
my review of what the ipad seems to be = :mellow: I don't need or want one. Same for an iphone, or crackberry or whatever.
So in your view people who use and enjoy new technology are the luddites?
What a curious perspective.
Quote from: Berkut on January 29, 2010, 01:18:28 PM
So in your view people who use and enjoy new technology are the luddites?
What a curious perspective.
Indeed. I learned something about myself today.
I dunno. I feel like I'm more or less the "old person and luddite" target market - and I'm not totally convinced.
What I want is something on which I can read books, watch movies and do internet stuff on, with no fuss and no muss; light and with long battery life.
Like the Ipod, which was great for no fuss and no muss music.
Quote from: Berkut on January 29, 2010, 01:18:28 PM
So in your view people who use and enjoy new technology are the luddites?
What a curious perspective.
Nope. you read it wrong. It's not new tech. It's dumbed down lego block tech.
Buying a mac book pro and running actual software is enjoying new technology. Buy some half broken e-book reader from apple for a few bucks (you get what you pay for) is not enjoying new tech. My use of the term luddite was incorrect in a grumbleresque "the term must be used in the exact definition of the word kind of way". I was crassly lumping together old people who only know how to get email, and surf facebook with the aforementioned luddites. I am aware that by even using a computer you aren't much of a luddite, but people will always disappoint you if you hang on to stereotypes..
sorry for the confusion.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 29, 2010, 01:26:14 PM
Nope. you read it wrong. It's not new tech. It's dumbed down lego block tech.
Buying a mac book pro and running actual software is enjoying new technology. Buy some half broken e-book reader from apple for a few bucks (you get what you pay for) is not enjoying new tech. My use of the term luddite was incorrect in a grumbleresque "the term must be used in the exact definition of the word kind of way". I was crassly lumping together old people who only know how to get email, and surf facebook with the aforementioned luddites. I am aware that by even using a computer you aren't much of a luddite, but people will always disappoint you if you hang on to stereotypes..
sorry for the confusion.
I don't see anything wrong with wanting certain results rather than being fascinated by the tech. I just want to play games, surf the net and watch movies - I don't want to have to become an expert in how to do that.
I am not, however, yet convinced that this new product is better than others for this.
Anywho, while I consider the iPad a gimped product overall for its type, the A4 chip it runs on seems to have some nice capabilities, which I'm sure Apple will slowly (very slowly) begin to leverage with future updates to the device.
This type of processor exists elsewhere (e.g., the Tegra processor on my Zune HD), but it's a good thing for Apple consumers that it is appearing for them.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/188146/apple_inside_the_significance_of_the_ipads_a4_chip.html
Quote from: Malthus on January 29, 2010, 01:32:21 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 29, 2010, 01:26:14 PM
Nope. you read it wrong. It's not new tech. It's dumbed down lego block tech.
Buying a mac book pro and running actual software is enjoying new technology. Buy some half broken e-book reader from apple for a few bucks (you get what you pay for) is not enjoying new tech. My use of the term luddite was incorrect in a grumbleresque "the term must be used in the exact definition of the word kind of way". I was crassly lumping together old people who only know how to get email, and surf facebook with the aforementioned luddites. I am aware that by even using a computer you aren't much of a luddite, but people will always disappoint you if you hang on to stereotypes..
sorry for the confusion.
I don't see anything wrong with wanting certain results rather than being fascinated by the tech. I just want to play games, surf the net and watch movies - I don't want to have to become an expert in how to do that.
I am not, however, yet convinced that this new product is better than others for this.
yeah. that's what I'm saying. I personally prefer to use a more full featured tool. However I'm sure that those i was mocking (mostly to make myself feel better than "them". :p ... not really, it's the internet and I enjoy being contrary)
I think for some people the ipad will fill those needs you identify perfectly fine, for others not so much. Luckily there are lots of products to do all those things.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 28, 2010, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 28, 2010, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 28, 2010, 01:00:36 PM
It's a 1st gen hardware. So of course it's kind of broken. Needs real world user experience and input before it actually becomes useful, cheaper. Like the iphone, the 1st gen ones were bricks compared to the new models. never buy 1st gen unless you like being an extended beta tester.
my reaction to it as a whole= :mellow:
Oh yeah the bugs and such will have to be ironed out by the customers' feedback.
But do you really think the lack of a flash player, various commonly used ports, etc. are things that never crossed the mind of the Apple crew? Come on.
I'm sure they did. But as others have also said: Apple (and lots of other companies) bring out unfinished products all the time. They are listening for what people scream the loudest about lacking, then bring out a slightly more expensive version with some of those changes, but not all, those are for rounds 2 and 3 etc.
It's all about getting people to spend money.
Early adopters are the sort of idiots who will buy the 2nd generation again when it comes out anyways.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 29, 2010, 01:42:17 PM
yeah. that's what I'm saying. I personally prefer to use a more full featured tool. However I'm sure that those i was mocking (mostly to make myself feel better than "them". :p ... not really, it's the internet and I enjoy being contrary)
:P And, of course, you call your behavior "grumbleresque" rather than "buddhaesque" even though it is the behavior you admit you enjoy and which you would admit I don't even indulge in, because you are so modest! Thanks for the attempted compliment, but when you want to refer to being contrary and judgemental, just label the behavior buddhaesque. No need to slag me at all, even in threads to which I am not contributing.