So, what do you guys think of the next expansion for Empire: Total War?
http://www.totalwar.com/napoleon/?t=EnglishUK
The Napoleonic setting was obvious, but I'm interested to hear that they improved the multiplayer campaign.
Also new and rather interesting is the 'drop-in' feature... this basically allows human players to enter your single player game and take control of the stack you're attacking. So you're not sure you'll be facing the AI or a human.
Suddenly, those large stacks of other factions seem a LOT more menacing... ;)
Can't play Sweden. Won't pay for it. :yuk:
Quote from: Slargos on January 21, 2010, 07:17:00 PM
Can't play Sweden. Won't pay for it. :yuk:
Nobody cares for Bernadotte fagg0try and treachery.
I care. :cry:
We have been through this already.
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=2034.0
I thought it was a brand new game, not an expansion.
Quote from: sbr on January 21, 2010, 11:21:05 PM
I thought it was a brand new game, not an expansion.
The very first words in the link I posted:
QuoteNew GAME - not expansion - full game in the Total War series. I guess Empire: Total War was the beta for this?
What I'm not clear on is whether this is a new game or an expansion. Do I need Empires to play it?
Quote from: Slargos on January 22, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
What I'm not clear on is whether this is a new game or an expansion. Do I need Empires to play it?
Yes!
It is a new game.
Quote from: Slargos on January 22, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
What I'm not clear on is whether this is a new game or an expansion. Do I need Empires to play it?
Not only do you need Empire, but you also need Medieval 2, Rome, Medieval 1, and Shogun, along with all their expansions.
Go ahead and go buy those and get back to us.
Quote from: Slargos on January 22, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
What I'm not clear on is whether this is a new game or an expansion. Do I need Empires to play it?
It's what annoyed the fans the most. If it were an expansion, they were hoping it would have resolved many of the issues of Empires.
But it's a new game... :lmfao:
Anyone who has the game, I'd be interested to know how they modeled the problems of line formation on the attack.
Sounds pretty cool - do you need the other game for it, or is it a stand alone?
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2010, 03:55:24 PM
Sounds pretty cool - do you need the other game for it, or is it a stand alone?
:lmfao:
:face:
Quote from: katmai on January 22, 2010, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 22, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
What I'm not clear on is whether this is a new game or an expansion. Do I need Empires to play it?
Yes!
It is a new game.
:lol:
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2010, 03:55:24 PM
Sounds pretty cool - do you need the other game for it, or is it a stand alone?
Yes.
The original total war was somewhat interesting but flawed. Ten years later they still haven't fixed the problems with the format.
Quote from: katmai on January 22, 2010, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 22, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
What I'm not clear on is whether this is a new game or an expansion. Do I need Empires to play it?
Yes!
It is a new game.
:homestar:
:hmm:
Maybe they will have some kind of deal when it is released, like one of those combo packs for people who don't have Empires yet.
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2010, 09:40:30 PM
Maybe they will have some kind of deal when it is released, like one of those combo packs for people who don't have Empires yet.
From the comments of people here, the only people who will buy this are the ones who didn't buy Empires.
Quote from: katmai on January 22, 2010, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2010, 09:40:30 PM
Maybe they will have some kind of deal when it is released, like one of those combo packs for people who don't have Empires yet.
From the comments of people here, the only people who will buy this are the ones who didn't buy Empires.
So a package deal would be the way to go, since you need Empires anyway.
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 22, 2010, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2010, 09:40:30 PM
Maybe they will have some kind of deal when it is released, like one of those combo packs for people who don't have Empires yet.
From the comments of people here, the only people who will buy this are the ones who didn't buy Empires.
So a package deal would be the way to go, since you need Empires anyway.
So it's confirmed that this is an expansion?
No Slargy he is pulling your chain, it is a stand alone game.
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2010, 09:34:22 AM
No Slargy he is pulling your chain, it is a stand alone game.
I don't understand. How can an expansion be a stand alone game?
It's not an expansion it's a whole new game focusing just on Nappy.
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2010, 09:38:16 AM
It's not an expansion it's a whole new game focusing just on Nappy.
So you're saying I don't need Empires?
Quote from: Slargos on January 23, 2010, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2010, 09:38:16 AM
It's not an expansion it's a whole new game focusing just on Nappy.
So you're saying I don't need Empires?
Correctumundo!
I have Empires on Steam. Do you know if this will work if I buy Napoleon from somewhere other than Steam?
Quote from: Tamas on January 23, 2010, 09:41:59 AM
I have Empires on Steam. Do you know if this will work if I buy Napoleon from somewhere other than Steam?
You mean if you steal it from somewhere else. :P
Quote from: Tamas on January 23, 2010, 09:41:59 AM
I have Empires on Steam. Do you know if this will work if I buy Napoleon from somewhere other than Steam?
It should, as long as you already have Empires it should not matter where it came from.
I don't get this, if it is a stand alone game why do you need empire?
Quote from: Viking on January 23, 2010, 04:24:35 PM
I don't get this, if it is a stand alone game
Where are you getting that idea from?
Wait, so it's an expansion?
Quote from: frunk on January 23, 2010, 07:19:13 PM
Wait, so it's an expansion?
I is an expansion, but you don't need Empires to play it. It is a stand-alone expansion.
I am really curious how they'll indicate Britain's superpower status. The map suggests that Britain will only have three provinces, so...
Quote from: Faeelin on January 24, 2010, 09:39:44 AM
I am really curious how they'll indicate Britain's superpower status. The map suggests that Britain will only have three provinces, so...
More DLC special units goodness!
Quote from: Faeelin on January 24, 2010, 09:39:44 AM
I am really curious how they'll indicate Britain's superpower status. The map suggests that Britain will only have three provinces, so...
Probably the same way they indicated France´s superpower status in empire. By making it retardedly easy for the AI to conquer and remove in the first 10 turns.
Quote from: grumbler on January 23, 2010, 07:24:06 PM
Quote from: frunk on January 23, 2010, 07:19:13 PM
Wait, so it's an expansion?
I is an expansion, but you don't need Empires to play it. It is a stand-alone expansion.
I thought only Paradox did stand-alone expansions. :HOI2 Doomsday: :huh:
Quote from: sbr on January 25, 2010, 02:51:13 AM
I thought only Paradox did stand-alone expansions. :HOI2 Doomsday: :huh:
Thinking was your first mistake...
What about the 'drop-in' feature? Would it be interesting to go to the n00bs' games and pwn them, or then risk getting pwned yourself when playing the single player game?
Would it reduce a bit of the sillyness in Empires?
It is like Civ 4: Colonization. Expansion but standalone.
Quote from: Rex Francorum on January 28, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
It is like Civ 4: Colonization. Expansion but standalone.
I think
Duke Nukem: Forever is a better analogy.
Quote from: Slargos on January 23, 2010, 09:36:21 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2010, 09:34:22 AM
No Slargy he is pulling your chain, it is a stand alone game.
I don't understand. How can an expansion be a stand alone game?
You don't need any prior Total War games to play.
You do however need to have your own musket and powder - they are doing this one on the cheap.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 29, 2010, 10:54:48 AM
You don't need any prior Total War games to play.
You do however need to have your own musket and powder - they are doing this one on the cheap.
Have you seen how much a musket goes for these days?
Cheap for them, not for you.
Quote from: Martim Silva on January 27, 2010, 06:57:00 PM
What about the 'drop-in' feature? Would it be interesting to go to the n00bs' games and pwn them, or then risk getting pwned yourself when playing the single player game?
Would it reduce a bit of the sillyness in Empires?
It's an elegant solution to their inability to code a halfway decent AI.
Quote from: Iormlund on January 29, 2010, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: Martim Silva on January 27, 2010, 06:57:00 PM
What about the 'drop-in' feature? Would it be interesting to go to the n00bs' games and pwn them, or then risk getting pwned yourself when playing the single player game?
Would it reduce a bit of the sillyness in Empires?
It's an elegant solution to their inability to code a halfway decent AI.
Actually if implemented seamlessly it could be a feature prompting me to buy it eventually.
Of course, its kind of annoying that they are selling an expansion for a standalone game's price.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 29, 2010, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 23, 2010, 09:36:21 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2010, 09:34:22 AM
No Slargy he is pulling your chain, it is a stand alone game.
I don't understand. How can an expansion be a stand alone game?
You don't need any prior Total War games to play.
You do however need to have your own musket and powder - they are doing this one on the cheap.
That depends - the stable fees for the cavalry expansion are extortionate.
Quote from: Tamas
Of course, its kind of annoying that they are selling an expansion for a standalone game's price.
Now, now... no need for that.
You can buy it at Amazon.com for £17.73... and the combined Napoleon+Empires for £33. And since you're EU like me, it will be delivered to your home without hassle from Customs.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Napoleon-Total-War-PC-DVD/dp/B002M78NM6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1264949939&sr=1-1
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You guys are killing me - your stand up routine should be on a stage somewhere.
Which one of you is the young Rowan Atkinson...
So when will this be out?
I want to reinstall Empire in time.
I won't bother reading the whole thread so I'll just ask, do I need empire to play this or is it a stand-alone?
Quote from: Threviel on February 08, 2010, 05:57:05 AM
I won't bother reading the whole thread so I'll just ask, do I need empire to play this or is it a stand-alone?
:lol:
From what I've read I think if you own Empire it's a stand-alone, but if you don't it's an expansion.
What if you have a pirated copy?
Quote from: Threviel on February 08, 2010, 05:57:05 AM
I won't bother reading the whole thread so I'll just ask, do I need empire to play this or is it a stand-alone?
Yes.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 08, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
What if you have a pirated copy?
Then you try to get the pirate to stand alone, and if he can not or will not, feed him until he expands.
I don't see why people are finding this so hard to grasp.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 08, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
What if you have a pirated copy?
I disagree with Grumbler on this. Pirates do not stand alone. They work in crews. Even if you were to find a pirate who would stand alone, no matter how much you feed him and no matter how much he expands, you will simply have a bloated stand alone pirate not (and I repeat for emphasis NOT) an expansion separate and apart from the said stand alone pirate.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2010, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 08, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
What if you have a pirated copy?
I disagree with Grumbler on this. Pirates do not stand alone.
You are forgetting about Ray Teller. He was working alone when he stole his future partner's insect collection and entered it as his own in 8th grade science class; he became famous as "the Pirate of Penn's Ants."
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2010, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 08, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
What if you have a pirated copy?
I disagree with Grumbler on this. Pirates do not stand alone. They work in crews. Even if you were to find a pirate who would stand alone, no matter how much you feed him and no matter how much he expands, you will simply have a bloated stand alone pirate not (and I repeat for emphasis NOT) an expansion separate and apart from the said stand alone pirate.
Yes, that's why Shogun Total War was the first game in the series; featuring ninjas, it could standalone.
Man you guys love to beat a dead horse.
Quote from: katmai on February 08, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Man you guys love to beat a dead horse.
Brain will ride it.
Quote from: katmai on February 08, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Man you guys love to beat a dead horse.
Does the horse need empire to be beaten to death, or is it stand-alone?
Quote from: Drakken on February 09, 2010, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 08, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Man you guys love to beat a dead horse.
Does the horse need empire to be beaten to death, or is it stand-alone?
You are making a similar error to the one made by Grumbler. I dead horse does not stand whether it is alone or not. Indeed even if one was to expand a dead horse it would not properly be standing even if it was upright simply because of its girth. To properly be a stand alone horse it must be alive and as we all know a horse that expands will usually die.
What if it's an undead horse?
Quote from: Solmyr on February 10, 2010, 06:56:07 AM
What if it's an undead horse?
Definitely a stand alone with no chance of expansion.
A horse divides against itself cannot stand.
Quote from: grumbler on February 08, 2010, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2010, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 08, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
What if you have a pirated copy?
I disagree with Grumbler on this. Pirates do not stand alone.
You are forgetting about Ray Teller. He was working alone when he stole his future partner's insect collection and entered it as his own in 8th grade science class; he became famous as "the Pirate of Penn's Ants."
:D
Well, I just got Empire: Total War, plus Medieval II: Total War and the expansions, plus Rome:Total War plus expansion for $20 on Steam. Not bad of a deal.
But as prussia I was at war with France, was able to capture the nearly empty capital due to the french army being in belgium and suddenly France is no more! WTF? What idiot made that design decision. Oh well, I'll try Medieval II next.
Quote from: Hansmeister on February 13, 2010, 11:48:09 PM
Well, I just got Empire: Total War, plus Medieval II: Total War and the expansions, plus Rome:Total War plus expansion for $20 on Steam. Not bad of a deal.
But as prussia I was at war with France, was able to capture the nearly empty capital due to the french army being in belgium and suddenly France is no more! WTF? What idiot made that design decision. Oh well, I'll try Medieval II next.
I knew there would be one sucker that actually bought it. The thing that surprises me is that you would publicly admit it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 17, 2010, 12:38:03 AM
I knew there would be one sucker that actually bought it. The thing that surprises me is that you would publicly admit it.
What
I spent $10 on it as well. ^_^
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 17, 2010, 12:40:23 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 17, 2010, 12:38:03 AM
I knew there would be one sucker that actually bought it. The thing that surprises me is that you would publicly admit it.
What
crap at any price is still crap.
RTW and M2TW and their expansions are worth more than $20. Sure, ETW was/is a pile of shit, but those aren't.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 17, 2010, 04:10:40 PM
RTW and M2TW and their expansions are worth more than $20. Sure, ETW was/is a pile of shit, but those aren't.
:yes:
RTW is fun unless you bloat it up with useless mods that bloat the map and unit counts.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 17, 2010, 06:28:20 PM
RTW is fun unless you bloat it up with useless mods that bloat the map and unit counts.
Yeah, that bigass map mod sucks. I didn't think there could be such a thing as too many provinces, but that one does it.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 17, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 17, 2010, 06:28:20 PM
RTW is fun unless you bloat it up with useless mods that bloat the map and unit counts.
Yeah, that bigass map mod sucks. I didn't think there could be such a thing as too many provinces, but that one does it.
Yeah, I hated the one with too many provinces, but the other one with that many provinces where is wasn't too many was great.
Quote from: grumbler on February 18, 2010, 07:46:37 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 17, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 17, 2010, 06:28:20 PM
RTW is fun unless you bloat it up with useless mods that bloat the map and unit counts.
Yeah, that bigass map mod sucks. I didn't think there could be such a thing as too many provinces, but that one does it.
Yeah, I hated the one with too many provinces, but the other one with that many provinces where is wasn't too many was great.
:lol:
I approve of this thread
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 17, 2010, 04:10:40 PM
RTW and M2TW and their expansions are worth more than $20. Sure, ETW was/is a pile of shit, but those aren't.
Agreed although with the Darthmod ETW is IMO playable.
Quote from: Octavian on February 18, 2010, 08:24:15 AM
Agreed although with the Darthmod ETW is IMO playable.
Yeah it's playable, but even DarthMod can't (or couldn't, haven't used it in a while) fix all the shitty little annoyances and bugs in ETW.
Quote from: grumbler on February 18, 2010, 07:46:37 AM
Yeah, I hated the one with too many provinces, but the other one with that many provinces where is wasn't too many was great.
Hm?
Quote from: Warspite on February 08, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
Yes, that's why Shogun Total War was the first game in the series; featuring ninjas, it could standalone.
No, this is why Shogun Total War was the first game in the series. It was an actual game.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.static.flickr.com%2F235%2F457809678_f008eebd9c.jpg%3Fv%3D0&hash=a1a942f07f25516506a4211a089a457a8d5d6b9a)
Also known as Samurai Swords (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/221/samurai-swords) (due to a copyright conflict with Shogun the book)
Every aspect of the STW is taken from the board game. There is no equivalent Medieval Game or Rome Game.
I've played Nappy Total War and it's not that bad. Two week turns and winter attrition means that you have campaigns rather than sustained pressure.
Naturally you have little A.I. resistence against you when you face them on equal or better terms. 2-1 against means I get bloodied, 3-1 against means I have to run away next battle or lose my army. But the AI is improved.
Artillery is stronger and does alot of damage, which is great, as Austria I only had two artillery in each of my armies north and south of the alps ( in the campaign game) and I was still planning disposition based on where it was best to place the guns. Skirmishers were useful, so much so that I usually deployed them in masse where the enemy would arrive one by one. Just watching a single cavalry charge 4 skirmishers with loaded guns was a chilling sight, then watching those 4 skirmishers get routed to a man when charged by 4 cavalry was even more worrying.
The drop in function sounds great, I might actually buy the game for that... Starting a battle against an equal number of Frenchies commanded by Davoudt only to have some human player drop in and kick my ass. That could be fun.
Napoleon might work great for an ACW mod. I seems to have all the mechanics ready and the weaponry seems more fitting (artillery, rifles, dragoons etc.)