http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/12/29/north.korean.american.held/index.html
I imagine the state department would really prefer if people stopped wandering into hostile countries.
Quote(CNN) -- North Korea announced Tuesday that it is holding an American who illegally entered the country on Christmas Eve, possibly a Korean-American missionary who told relatives he was trying to sneak into the isolated communist state.
The state-run Korea Central News Agency said the man was taken into custody after entering North Korea from China on December 24 and was "now under investigation by a relevant organ."
It provided no details, but the description appears to match the case of 28-year-old Robert Park, an Arizona man reported to have entered the country illegally to bring a message of "Christ's love and forgiveness" to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.
"He loves you and wants to save you and all of North Korea today," reads the letter, a copy of which was posted on a South Korean Web site last week. "Please open your borders so that we may bring food, provisions, medicine, necessities, and assistance to those who are struggling to survive. Please close down all concentration camps and release all political prisoners today, and allow care teams to enter to minister healing to those who have been tortured and traumatized."
Park's parents told CNN affiliate KFMB that their son was willing to risk his life to deliver that message.
"He said, 'I'm not afraid to die as long as the whole world, every nation, pays attention to the North Korea situation,' " said his father, Pyong Park.
Monday, the U.S. State Department said it was concerned by reports that Park had gone into North Korea but could not confirm them.
"We don't have any independent confirmation about either the report that he crossed over or his whereabouts," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said. Washington and Pyongyang have no diplomatic relations, but Kelly said the Swedish Embassy -- which looks after U.S. interests in North Korea -- has offered to try to find out more.
North Korean authorities take a dim view of people who enter its territory without authorization.
Two American journalists who were arrested along the North Korean-Chinese border in March faced a 12-year sentence at hard labor, but were released after a meeting between Kim and former U.S. President Bill Clinton in Pyongyang.
Guy's kinda like Mishka.
They'll probably send him back without a visit from Clinton. The guy sounds too crazy even for Kim Jong Il.
The news said he was a human rights person. This is....well lets say I have less sympathy. Just a nutter.
Christians. :lol:
Quote from: Razgovory on December 29, 2009, 02:01:22 AM
The state-run Korea Central News Agency said the man was taken into custody after entering North Korea from China on December 24 and was "now under investigation by a relevant organ."
Sorry, Clinton's not interested. :(
Quote from: Martinus on December 29, 2009, 07:43:32 AM
Christians. :lol:
Say what you will, jackass, but this guy is risking his life to help people.
What do you believe in that you're willing to risk your life for?
Quote from: Caliga on December 29, 2009, 08:03:36 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 29, 2009, 08:00:08 AM
this guy is risking his life to help people.
:lol:
He believes that's what he's doing.
It doesn't matter if it's true or not.
Of course, I don't expect you to be able to comprehend such an idea. :)
So do the muslims. Who cares?
Quote from: Razgovory on December 29, 2009, 08:15:15 AM
So do the muslims. Who cares?
Muslims aren't people. :huh:
Quote from: Razgovory on December 29, 2009, 08:15:15 AM
So do the muslims. Who cares?
That's exactly the point I was going to make. The 9/11 guys really believed they were helping things, too. OMG HEROZ
I really wish those people wouldn't do this sort of thing.
All missionarys should be required to watch Rambo. That'll put some starch in their socks.
Quote from: Caliga on December 29, 2009, 08:28:17 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 29, 2009, 08:15:15 AM
So do the muslims. Who cares?
That's exactly the point I was going to make. The 9/11 guys really believed they were helping things, too. OMG HEROZ
Spreading the word about love and forgiveness equals mass murder now? If the 19 hijackers had simply spread the word about Allah and opened a charity then it would be similar.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 29, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
Spreading the word about love and forgiveness equals mass murder now? If the 19 hijackers had simply spread the word about Allah and opened a charity then it would be similar.
I shouldn't have used that analogy as I should have known people would think I was trying to approximate the two events, which I'm not.
My point is that just because someone thinks they are doing good does not mean that they are doing good. I think this is something society widely agrees with me on, or else we would be freeing and praising people who murder abortion doctors in the name of Jeebus, rather then sending them to prison for life.
Part of my reaction here is that I take a dim view of most missionary activity, especially when they try to mask their intentions by pretending they want to help people. Missionaries are salesmen for Jesus, Inc. :)
Quote from: Caliga on December 29, 2009, 08:41:33 AM
I shouldn't have used that analogy as I should have known people would think I was trying to approximate the two events, which I'm not.
My point is that just because someone thinks they are doing good does not mean that they are doing good. I think this is something society widely agrees with me on, or else we would be freeing and praising people who murder abortion doctors in the name of Jeebus, rather then sending them to prison for life.
Part of my reaction here is that I take a dim view of most missionary activity, especially when they try to mask their intentions by pretending they want to help people. Missionaries are salesmen for Jesus, Inc. :)
Some have decent intentions, but the unintentional smugness made me want to smack around most foreign missionaries I met while I was still going to church, particularly the ones to Eritrea: "See how nice we Christianized White Pipple are? We're so nice you'll just put down your AKs and listen to us for a few minutes because we're protected by GOD!"
I spread Love and Forgiveness here at Languish through Good Works and Better Posts.
If he really wanted to help people, he could have smuggled in food or something. Converting people to Christianity doesn't help them.
Yeah, I'd be reacting differently if he was a Red Cross worker.
Missionaries spread false ideas and superstition. In that, they deserve the punishment of death.
Quote from: Martinus on December 29, 2009, 09:44:25 AM
Missionaries spread false ideas and superstition. In that, they deserve the punishment of death.
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Frigging North Korea; let our people go! But for a dirt poor, decrepit concentration camp nation at least they have their borders under control. Something the wealthy superpower US can't even find a clue nor political will to do so. <_<
Quote from: Caliga on December 29, 2009, 08:41:33 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 29, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
Spreading the word about love and forgiveness equals mass murder now? If the 19 hijackers had simply spread the word about Allah and opened a charity then it would be similar.
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Part of my reaction here is that I take a dim view of most missionary activity, especially when they try to mask their intentions by pretending they want to help people. Missionaries are salesmen for Jesus, Inc. :)
I disagree, missionaries of any faith (with the possible exception of Scientologists) are not salesmen, they are trying to help people. Now whether you believe in their method of aid, is another story.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 29, 2009, 10:53:21 AM
I disagree, missionaries of any faith (with the possible exception of Scientologists) are not salesmen, they are trying to help people. Now whether you believe in their method of aid, is another story.
Hate to do this, but I agree with tim. You can't compare the two. Salesmen are often far more devout and honest about their beliefs in what they peddle.
Quote from: PDH on December 29, 2009, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 29, 2009, 10:53:21 AM
I disagree, missionaries of any faith (with the possible exception of Scientologists) are not salesmen, they are trying to help people. Now whether you believe in their method of aid, is another story.
Hate to do this, but I agree with tim. You can't compare the two. Salesmen are often far more devout and honest about their beliefs in what they peddle.
:yes:
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A saint for our time.
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Quote from: KRonn on December 29, 2009, 10:51:46 AM
Frigging North Korea; let our people go! But for a dirt poor, decrepit concentration camp nation at least they have their borders under control. Something the wealthy superpower US can't even find a clue nor political will to do so. <_<
Our borders are alot longer.
What a bunch of shitheads you people are. Especially you Martinus.
Quote from: Valmy on December 29, 2009, 11:31:20 PM
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:lmfao: