WTF? I knew it was bad down there, but I didn't know it was that bad.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/08/brazil-police-accused-of-_n_384259.html
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Brazil Police Accused Of "Extrajudicial" Killings
- Brazil Police Accused Of "Extrajudicial" Killings
BRADLEY BROOKS | 12/ 8/09 08:27 PM | AP
RIO DE JANEIRO — Police in Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo have killed more than 11,000 people in the past six years, many execution-style, according to a report released Tuesday by Human Rights Watch.
Few of the officers have been charged in the extrajudicial killings, which are often labeled in police reports as the deaths of suspects who resisted arrest, the report said.
The 122-page declaration echoes a 2008 United Nations' finding that police throughout Brazil were responsible for a "significant portion" of 48,000 slayings the year before.
"Extrajudicial killing of criminal suspects is not the answer to violent crime," said Jose Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. "The residents of Rio and Sao Paulo need more effective policing, not more violence from the police."
Isabel Figueiredo, Brazil's coordinator-general of human rights and public safety, acknowledged that police violence is a widespread problem and "it concerns the federal government a great deal."
Figueiredo said authorities have launched a series of initiatives to confront the problem, including training police to respect human rights and the appropriate use of force, in addition to the purchase of less-lethal weapons for state police forces.
Security forces "have begun to understand that instead of solving the problem, confronting criminals with weapons leads to casualties on both sides," she said.
Officials from the Rio and Sao Paulo police departments did not comment.
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But Rio state Public Safety Director Jose Beltrame, in charge of the city's armed security forces, previously took issue with the 2008 U.N. report, saying critics don't recognize that his officers must constantly confront drug gangs who rule over slums and are armed with military rifles, grenades and anti-aircraft weapons.
"We have to deal with something few others face: armed combat with drug traffickers who are equipped with heavy weapons coming from abroad," Beltrame said in an October interview with The Associated Press. "That is a unique attribute our police deal with."
He spoke after Rio gangs had unleashed a wave of violence in which they downed a police helicopter, killing three of the six officers aboard – just a mile (two kilometers) from the Maracana stadium, where the 2016 Olympics' opening and closing ceremonies and the 2014 World Cup final will be held.
The Human Rights Watch report examined 51 cases in Rio and Sao Paulo in which it seemed that police had killed an alleged criminal, but then reported the victim died while resisting arrest.
In 33 cases, forensic evidence "was at odds with the official version of what took place" – including 17 cases in which autopsies indicated police shot the person at point-blank range, the report said, adding that "the 51 cases do not represent the totality of potential extrajudicial killings, but are indicative of a much broader problem."
Using government statistics, the report noted that police have killed more than 11,000 people in Sao Paulo and Rio since 2003. In Rio, the killings reached a high of 1,330 in 2007.
The report also states that Rio police killed one person for every 23 people they arrested in 2008, while Sao Paulo police arrested 348 for every person killed. In the U.S., police arrested more than 37,000 people for each person killed by police that year.
The report recommends creating specialized units within state prosecutors' offices to investigate "resistance" killings and ensure that officers responsible for extrajudicial executions are brought to justice.
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Associated Press Writer Marco Sibaja in Brasilia, Brazil, contributed to this report.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 08, 2009, 10:03:37 PM
WTF? I new it was bad down there, but I didn't know it was that bad.
Did you ever see the story of the guy who ran a D&D game for a Brazilian Death Squad?
http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?s=92119f49f8211026c7ded1c5914b1ff7&p=8210593&postcount=88
I saw this stat about a month or two ago; it looks just crazy!
QuoteThe report also states that Rio police killed one person for every 23 people they arrested in 2008
Ok maybe I won't take that vacation to Rio...
Given the way that the assorted Latin Americans spawn like blowflies, I'm amazed that anyone notices or cares.
Besides, just imagine how many more they'll be killing in the run up to the Olympics. The government is going to want the streets swept clean.
Quote from: Neil on December 08, 2009, 10:27:09 PM
Besides, just imagine how many more they'll be killing in the run up to the Olympics. The government is going to want the streets swept clean.
They'll mow down whole favelas. :(
They should send the LA police down there for training.
Quote from: ulmont on December 08, 2009, 10:09:11 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 08, 2009, 10:03:37 PM
WTF? I new it was bad down there, but I didn't know it was that bad.
Did you ever see the story of the guy who ran a D&D game for a Brazilian Death Squad?
http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?s=92119f49f8211026c7ded1c5914b1ff7&p=8210593&postcount=88
Great story. :lol:
Quote from: citizen k on December 08, 2009, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 08, 2009, 10:27:09 PM
Besides, just imagine how many more they'll be killing in the run up to the Olympics. The government is going to want the streets swept clean.
They'll mow down whole favelas. :(
That's why they're bringing in Rudy Giuliani as a security advisor
Quote from: ulmont on December 08, 2009, 10:09:11 PM
Did you ever see the story of the guy who ran a D&D game for a Brazilian Death Squad?
http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?s=92119f49f8211026c7ded1c5914b1ff7&p=8210593&postcount=88
Whiskey, weed, prostitutes, and gaming. Death squads know how to party!
Quote from: Valmy on December 08, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
QuoteThe report also states that Rio police killed one person for every 23 people they arrested in 2008
Ok maybe I won't take that vacation to Rio...
Saw this stat in the Washington Post, just crazy.
QuoteIn the state of Rio, for instance, police killed 1,137 people in 2008, while police in all of the United States recorded 371 killings.
We're falling so far behind. The South used to be good at killing blacks. :(
We'd be doing much better if Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom didn't ban summarily executing people who are fleeing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 09, 2009, 12:29:51 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 08, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
QuoteThe report also states that Rio police killed one person for every 23 people they arrested in 2008
Ok maybe I won't take that vacation to Rio...
Saw this stat in the Washington Post, just crazy.
QuoteIn the state of Rio, for instance, police killed 1,137 people in 2008, while police in all of the United States recorded 371 killings.
:goodboy:
You obviously haven't seen "City of God", Tim, or the newer "Elite squad". Just to get an idea, here's the logo of the BOPE, Rio's elite military police, apparently responsible for most of those extrajudicial killings:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F9%2F9f%2FCaveira_bope.jpg&hash=b066039b2994a5e065b3ab06e071cabe1f7dc671)
Quote from: Valmy on December 08, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
QuoteThe report also states that Rio police killed one person for every 23 people they arrested in 2008
Ok maybe I won't take that vacation to Rio...
Were you planning on running an errand for a drug cartel? :P
The US has a police killing gap. :(
Quote from: Valmy on December 08, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
QuoteThe report also states that Rio police killed one person for every 23 people they arrested in 2008
Ok maybe I won't take that vacation to Rio...
Or if you do make sure you wear a t-shirt stating you are a foreigner and not just slum scum
QuoteDid you ever see the story of the guy who ran a D&D game for a Brazilian Death Squad?
http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?s=92119f49f8211026c7ded1c5914b1ff7&p=8210593&postcount=88
:lol:
Wow, hard to imagine guys like that playing RPGs though, even regular non-tough guys find them 'gay' (in the modern sense of the word)
Quote from: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 04:41:31 AM
You obviously haven't seen "City of God", Tim, or the newer "Elite squad". Just to get an idea, here's the logo of the BOPE, Rio's elite military police, apparently responsible for most of those extrajudicial killings:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F9%2F9f%2FCaveira_bope.jpg&hash=b066039b2994a5e065b3ab06e071cabe1f7dc671)
Elite Squad
Tropa de Elite will get a sequel next year, in build-up to the Rio de Janeiro Olympics perhaps :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ossRaNcx5-4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ossRaNcx5-4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaN3qUb807A&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaN3qUb807A&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhlkpjFX4d8&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhlkpjFX4d8&feature=fvw)
A quick search on youtube, you do get the impression that they care much for who or what they are shooting at, despite being in a heavily populated build up area...
I did a research trip to Sao Paulo last year, including going to a handful of favelas and spending time talking to some police officers. Met some very interesting characters and heard some fascinating stories as well.
We had a security guard, of course, though ironically he didn't get to come with us into the favelas (it was thought he'd piss the drug gangs off too much leading to a confrontation).
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
I did a research trip to Sao Paulo last year, including going to a handful of favelas and spending time talking to some police officers. Met some very interesting characters and heard some fascinating stories as well.
We had a security guard, of course, though ironically he didn't get to come with us into the favelas (it was thought he'd piss the drug gangs off too much leading to a confrontation).
What was the research for? :)
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
I did a research trip to Sao Paulo last year, including going to a handful of favelas and spending time talking to some police officers. Met some very interesting characters and heard some fascinating stories as well.
We had a security guard, of course, though ironically he didn't get to come with us into the favelas (it was thought he'd piss the drug gangs off too much leading to a confrontation).
What did you think of it overall? One of the places to visit on my long-term list is Brazil... did it seem pretty safe overall, were the people friendly, was the food good, etc.?
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
I did a research trip to Sao Paulo last year, including going to a handful of favelas and spending time talking to some police officers. Met some very interesting characters and heard some fascinating stories as well.
We had a security guard, of course, though ironically he didn't get to come with us into the favelas (it was thought he'd piss the drug gangs off too much leading to a confrontation).
What did you think of it overall? One of the places to visit on my long-term list is Brazil... did it seem pretty safe overall, were the people friendly, was the food good, etc.?
I think I've mentioned that by brother is dating a Brazillian girl, and he flew down there last summer to meet her family. He quite enjoyed it, and said people were very friendly and hospitable.
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
I think I've mentioned that by brother is dating a Brazillian girl
pics plz :mmm:
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
I think I've mentioned that by brother is dating a Brazillian girl
pics plz :mmm:
I don't think she's your type. :mellow:
Owned. :(
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
I think I've mentioned that by brother is dating a Brazillian girl
I did that once. She was impressed I knew Cabral discovered Brazil in 1500 and I knew Brasilia was the capital and that Portuguese was the official language. Getting laid by foreigners is easy when they discover you know something about their country if you are an American.
And while she was definitely the hottest girl I ever slept with she was definitely not Cal's type :(
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
I think I've mentioned that by brother is dating a Brazillian girl
I did that once. She was impressed I knew Cabral discovered Brazil in 1500 and I knew Brasilia was the capital and that Portuguese was the official language. Getting laid by foreigners is easy when they discover you know something about their country if you are an American.
And while she was definitely the hottest girl I ever slept with she was definitely not Cal's type :(
America was discovered by Columbus in 1492, New York is the capital and English is the official language. Sex? :)
Brain, that won't work because as an American Valmy arrogantly assumes that you worship his nation and culture, and you damn well BETTER know things like that. :( Also, the "not a homo" thing.
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:44:03 PM
Brain, that won't work because as an American Valmy arrogantly assumes that you worship his nation and culture, and you damn well BETTER know things like that. :( Also, the "not a homo" thing.
^_^
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
I think I've mentioned that by brother is dating a Brazillian girl
I did that once. She was impressed I knew Cabral discovered Brazil in 1500 and I knew Brasilia was the capital and that Portuguese was the official language. Getting laid by foreigners is easy when they discover you know something about their country if you are an American.
And while she was definitely the hottest girl I ever slept with she was definitely not Cal's type :(
Weird conclusion, I find the opposite. Its better to be totally ignorant about countries. Gives you stuff to talk about and be amazed about. Hence my geography skillz are a big cock block for me (yes. Thats exactly what it is. Not my other failings).
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
I think I've mentioned that by brother is dating a Brazillian girl
I did that once. She was impressed I knew Cabral discovered Brazil in 1500 and I knew Brasilia was the capital and that Portuguese was the official language. Getting laid by foreigners is easy when they discover you know something about their country if you are an American.
And while she was definitely the hottest girl I ever slept with she was definitely not Cal's type :(
I once had to explain to a canadian that he country was a monarchy and the queen was the head of state in canada. She is a Professor of Education and in my view such people should know stuff like that.
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:44:03 PM
Brain, that won't work because as an American Valmy arrogantly assumes that you worship his nation and culture, and you damn well BETTER know things like that.
It only works if you are an American. Since you are a Euro I automatically assume you not only know far more about the USA than I do but you can also name every Roman Emperor from Augustus on and can trash talk about obscure battles of the Livonian War of the 1560s.
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:44:03 PM
Brain, that won't work because as an American Valmy arrogantly assumes that you worship his nation and culture, and you damn well BETTER know things like that.
It only works if you are an American. Since you are a Euro I automatically assume you not only know far more about the USA than I do but you can also name every Roman Emperor from Augustus on and can trash talk about obscure battles of the Livonian War of the 1560s.
Welcome to Languish.
Quote from: Tyr on December 09, 2009, 01:49:01 PM
Weird conclusion, I find the opposite. Its better to be totally ignorant about countrys. Gives you stuff to talk about and be amazed about.
You don't understand just what it means to be a foreigner in the United States. People would hear she was Brazilian and start babbling to her in High School Spanish.
I've never tried to use foreign knowledge to get laid, but I can report that when I was in Italy and answered the Italians in Italian, rather than the English they were expecting, they fucking FLIPPED OUT. :cool:
ITALIAN WAITER: Prego.
CAL: Grazie mille.
ITALIAN WAITER: EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! *dances for joy*
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 01:50:47 PM
You don't understand just what it means to be a foreigner in the United States. People would hear she was Brazilian and start babbling to her in High School Spanish.
Anyway, if she is super hot in other ways (especially if she had a nice ass), I can do as low as a 'B' if I have to. -_-
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
I've never tried to use foreign knowledge to get laid, but I can report that when I was in Italy and answered the Italians in Italian, rather than the English they were expecting, they fucking FLIPPED OUT. :cool:
ITALIAN WAITER: Prego.
CAL: Grazie mille.
ITALIAN WAITER: EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! *dances for joy*
Er, no. Not a single waiter danced for joy when I used very simnply italian phrases.
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:52:16 PM
Anyway, if she is super hot in other ways (especially if she had a nice ass), I can do as low as a 'B' if I have to. -_-
Women of the world cry with relief.
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:53:55 PM
Er, no. Not a single waiter danced for joy when I used very simnply italian phrases.
Were you part of a tour group, 80% of whose members were old New York Italian-Americans trying get in touch with "DUR ROOTZ"? :bleeding:
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
I've never tried to use foreign knowledge to get laid, but I can report that when I was in Italy and answered the Italians in Italian, rather than the English they were expecting, they fucking FLIPPED OUT. :cool:
I love low expectations :) All Argies I meet are amazed that I understand pretty much everything they're babbling on about. Not to mention what I'm able to speak.
But I get lazy after I've known them for a while. I make my in-laws speak English to me :)
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:44:03 PM
Brain, that won't work because as an American Valmy arrogantly assumes that you worship his nation and culture, and you damn well BETTER know things like that.
It only works if you are an American. Since you are a Euro
Thanks for the promotion! :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:53:55 PM
Er, no. Not a single waiter danced for joy when I used very simnply italian phrases.
Were you part of a tour group, 80% of whose members were old New York Italian-Americans trying get in touch with "DUR ROOTZ"? :bleeding:
Hell no.
We landed in Frankfurt, then drove throughout Italy. We stayed in campgrounds and hostels.
We don't do tour groups. :)
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
I did a research trip to Sao Paulo last year, including going to a handful of favelas and spending time talking to some police officers. Met some very interesting characters and heard some fascinating stories as well.
We had a security guard, of course, though ironically he didn't get to come with us into the favelas (it was thought he'd piss the drug gangs off too much leading to a confrontation).
Playing MW2 is about as close as I ever want to get to the favelas. In fact I don't have any desire whatsoever to step foot in any major Brazilian city.
Cool that you did it, though. Any stories to tell?
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
We don't do tour groups. :)
I find the idea of them a bit scary to be honest. But that's a snobbish middle class reaction against the type of people who go on tour groups I think, in the UK it's only the elderly or lower middle class :shudder:
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
We don't do tour groups. :)
It had its pluses and minuses, to be sure, but I probably wouldn't do one again. My next Eurotrip will be to Germany where I won't need to do a group since DER IST MEIN PEEPZ. :smoke:
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 09, 2009, 02:02:53 PM
I find the idea of them a bit scary to be honest. But that's a snobbish middle class reaction against the type of people who go on tour groups I think, in the UK it's only the elderly or lower middle class :shudder:
Our tour group broke down as follows, to the best of my recollection:
50% upper middle class to upper class Aussies (one guy was the just-retired CFO of Parmalat Australia) of various ages
35% retired Italian-American trash trying to get in touch with aforementioned roots
10% educated middle class Americans of various stripes (including Princesca and I)
5% single lower class HOTT Italian-American chicks with their tweener daughters
Oh and there was this one guy who was CEO of a chain manufacturing company from Cedar Rapids. He got drunk all the time and laughed like Santa Claus, except he was thin and clean shaven.
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
50% Aussies
Another reason never to take a tour group :bleeding:
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 09, 2009, 02:07:38 PM
Another reason never to take a tour group :bleeding:
:mad: Aussies rule. I love how they say 'yes' : YNRRRRRRRRRRH
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
We don't do tour groups. :)
It had its pluses and minuses, to be sure, but I probably wouldn't do one again. My next Eurotrip will be to Germany where I won't need to do a group since DER IST MEIN PEEPZ. :smoke:
Berlin Languish Meet pls!
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 01:17:12 PMWhat was the research for? :)
A certain yet to be released video game set in Sao Paulo.
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:22:09 PMWhat did you think of it overall? One of the places to visit on my long-term list is Brazil... did it seem pretty safe overall, were the people friendly, was the food good, etc.?
I loved it and would highly recommend it.
Safety... I'd rate it so-so. I mean, you saw lots of armed guards all over the place and if you hung out in the favelas you'd see armed drug dealers too. And there are plenty of stories of kidnappings and robberies and whatnot, but then again that was sort of the focus of my research. I honestly don't think it's that bad.
The people were super friendly and the food was really quite good. I would love to have reason to go back to Brasil.
Quote from: Tyr on December 09, 2009, 07:49:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 08, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
Ok maybe I won't take that vacation to Rio...
Or if you do make sure you wear a t-shirt stating you are a foreigner
He should also wear his money clip on a diamond encrusted gold chain around his neck
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 01:44:03 PM
Brain, that won't work because as an American Valmy arrogantly assumes that you worship his nation and culture, and you damn well BETTER know things like that.
It only works if you are an American. Since you are a Euro I automatically assume you not only know far more about the USA than I do but you can also name every Roman Emperor from Augustus on and can trash talk about obscure battles of the Livonian War of the 1560s.
I was once chatting on a Yank server with a Romanian dude and I mentioned a few cities. Surprised, he said I was the first American who knew anything about his country. So I go: "I'm European". And he's like: "Ah, of course". Drawing not so nice comments from the Yanks present. :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on December 09, 2009, 02:01:30 PMPlaying MW2 is about as close as I ever want to get to the favelas. In fact I don't have any desire whatsoever to step foot in any major Brazilian city.
Cool that you did it, though. Any stories to tell?
A fair number, yeah, but most of them are the kind I tell over a pint of beer in person. Some random details:
- Our security guard had a pen he'd made himself, only it wasn't a pen it was a single shot .22 gun.
- While you can pay for girls to dance for you in Brazilian strip clubs it's not really a lap dance, more commonly you pay the girl and you and her nip across the street to a conveniently located hotel for 30 minutes to an hour. In the meantime, your friends can watch the live sex show on stage.
- We got to handle all the guns and armour belonging to to a Policia Militar squad. Very interesting. The timing was good to, as the next day strike action by the Policia Civil led to riots and fighting in the street between them and the Policia Militar and no one would've had time to hang out with us.
- Met some interesting and cool people in the favelas. Some of the places were not bad at all and others were really fucking squalid. The people were generally friendly, though we did get dirty looks from assorted drug dealer guards at times.
- We managed to get up on the roof of the Treme Treme vertical favela at midnight one night. That was pretty trippy.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.static.flickr.com%2F112%2F285927691_bf5209bd5b.jpg&hash=1f36d29a529b36c1e07ca1a3fc1b88cae23eee5c)
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
The people were super friendly and the food was really quite good. I would love to have reason to go back to Brasil.
Not surprising, since New England has large populations of Brazilians and Cape Verdeans and every one I ever met was extremely friendly.... and the Brazilian restaurants... :mmm:
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 09, 2009, 02:01:30 PMPlaying MW2 is about as close as I ever want to get to the favelas. In fact I don't have any desire whatsoever to step foot in any major Brazilian city.
Cool that you did it, though. Any stories to tell?
A fair number, yeah, but most of them are the kind I tell over a pint of beer in person. Some random details:
- Our security guard had a pen he'd made himself, only it wasn't a pen it was a single shot .22 gun.
- While you can pay for girls to dance for you in Brazilian strip clubs it's not really a lap dance, more commonly you pay the girl and you and her nip across the street to a conveniently located hotel for 30 minutes to an hour. In the meantime, your friends can watch the live sex show on stage.
- We got to handle all the guns and armour belonging to to a Policia Militar squad. Very interesting. The timing was good to, as the next day strike action by the Policia Civil led to riots and fighting in the street between them and the Policia Militar and no one would've had time to hang out with us.
- Met some interesting and cool people in the favelas. Some of the places were not bad at all and others were really fucking squalid. The people were generally friendly, though we did get dirty looks from assorted drug dealer guards at times.
- We managed to get up on the roof of the Treme Treme vertical favela at midnight one night. That was pretty trippy.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.static.flickr.com%2F112%2F285927691_bf5209bd5b.jpg&hash=1f36d29a529b36c1e07ca1a3fc1b88cae23eee5c)
Cool.
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
I loved it and would highly recommend it.
Safety... I'd rate it so-so. I mean, you saw lots of armed guards all over the place and if you hung out in the favelas you'd see armed drug dealers too. And there are plenty of stories of kidnappings and robberies and whatnot, but then again that was sort of the focus of my research. I honestly don't think it's that bad.
The people were super friendly and the food was really quite good. I would love to have reason to go back to Brasil.
Agreed on all points. I really want to go back and this time go North.
I spent less time in the favelas though I imagine.
Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 09, 2009, 02:02:53 PM
I find the idea of them a bit scary to be honest. But that's a snobbish middle class reaction against the type of people who go on tour groups I think, in the UK it's only the elderly or lower middle class :shudder:
Our tour group broke down as follows, to the best of my recollection:
50% upper middle class to upper class Aussies (one guy was the just-retired CFO of Parmalat Australia) of various ages
:huh:
I think the term you are searching for is rich Australians :bowler:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on December 09, 2009, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 09, 2009, 07:49:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 08, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
Ok maybe I won't take that vacation to Rio...
Or if you do make sure you wear a t-shirt stating you are a foreigner
He should also wear his money clip on a diamond encrusted gold chain around his neck
I didn't say he'd be safe. Just the police won't kill him :P