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Title: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: garbon on November 30, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
So I finally got out of Jury Duty this time.  3rd time I had to go in this year as you can't get actually excused (only deferred) on a financial hardship claim until you've exhausted paid days from your company.  Today it was a two day trial so I couldn't get out on financial grounds (which I would have otherwise got as I've used up my paid days)...and I got put in the jury box to be screened.

Even though there were people who had relatives who had died in similar crimes to the alleged one, I was the first person excused.  The People excused me because apparently they weren't comfortable with someone who said he was afraid of police officers.  I'm so embarrassed that such is now on the record. :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on November 30, 2009, 03:39:52 PM
 :hug: As a white man I don't fear the po po. :)
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: crazy canuck on November 30, 2009, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 30, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
The People excused me because apparently they weren't comfortable with someone who said he was afraid of police officers. 

Good one.  The best line I ever heard coming from a potential jurer was that he thought everyone was guilty if they were charged and if he was forced to sit on the jury he would certainly vote guilty.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Faeelin on November 30, 2009, 03:41:28 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 30, 2009, 03:39:52 PM
:hug: As a white man I don't fear the po po. :)

As a recent college student I loathe the po po. Bastards couldn't solve the murder case on campus, but give me a ticket? Absolutely.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: garbon on November 30, 2009, 03:44:02 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 30, 2009, 03:41:28 PM
As a recent college student I loathe the po po. Bastards couldn't solve the murder case on campus, but give me a ticket? Absolutely.

I said that I had an aversion and then was asked to clarify what I meant. I said that I kind of feared police as I've never had a positive or what I feel was a beneficial interaction.  I then said that I didn't expect this to affect my decision making as I'm a reasonable person and believe that the police are just as likely to tell the truth as other people.

That said, I probably would have been excluded on the grounds that I don't think the criminal justice system is fair, if I'd actually answered that question. In fact, when no one objected to that statement, I felt like we were all liars. I don't think any BBs were present in the jury box.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: jimmy olsen on December 01, 2009, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 30, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
So I finally got out of Jury Duty this time.  3rd time I had to go in this year as you can't get actually excused (only deferred) on a financial hardship claim until you've exhausted paid days from your company.  Today it was a two day trial so I couldn't get out on financial grounds (which I would have otherwise got as I've used up my paid days)...and I got put in the jury box to be screened.

Even though there were people who had relatives who had died in similar crimes to the alleged one,
There was death involved and it was going to be only a two day trial?
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 02:36:40 AM
Be careful what you say about po pos or CdM will warn you too.  :lol:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: garbon on December 01, 2009, 03:17:56 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 01, 2009, 02:17:28 AM
There was death involved and it was going to be only a two day trial?

No, there was no death.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 03:23:04 AM
Quote from: garbon on December 01, 2009, 03:17:56 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 01, 2009, 02:17:28 AM
There was death involved and it was going to be only a two day trial?

No, there was no death.

Yeah, right.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on December 01, 2009, 08:24:02 AM
:yes: In Marti's America the police shoot to kill for even the slightest suspected offenses. :)
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on December 01, 2009, 09:38:38 AM
I was just summoned for jury duty, but unfortunately I can't do it.
I'd like to sit on a jury once in my life.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Razgovory on December 01, 2009, 10:08:39 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 01, 2009, 09:38:38 AM
I was just summoned for jury duty, but unfortunately I can't do it.
I'd like to sit on a jury once in my life.

They never summon me.  They have something like a sound mind and body clause?
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on December 01, 2009, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 01, 2009, 09:38:38 AM
I was just summoned for jury duty, but unfortunately I can't do it.
I'd like to sit on a jury once in my life.
I did it.  The trial was fun.  Then once deliberations started, the real idiocy surfaced.  :cool:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Ed Anger on December 01, 2009, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 01, 2009, 10:08:39 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 01, 2009, 09:38:38 AM
I was just summoned for jury duty, but unfortunately I can't do it.
I'd like to sit on a jury once in my life.

They never summon me.  They have something like a sound mind and body clause?

They don't call me either. Too many cops in the family.

Then again, I don't want to sit on a hard bench for 5 dollars a day.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on December 01, 2009, 11:46:07 AM
But they buy you lunch :mmm:

The court in Boston where I had to do jury duty was right next to a kickass grinder shop.  Nigga had to wait an extra three days for his judgment till I grew tired of the Italian grinders.  :)
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Ed Anger on December 01, 2009, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 01, 2009, 11:46:07 AM
But they buy you lunch :mmm:



Not where I'm at.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on December 01, 2009, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 01, 2009, 11:47:41 AM
Not where I'm at.
:mad:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Ed Anger on December 01, 2009, 12:00:49 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 01, 2009, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 01, 2009, 11:47:41 AM
Not where I'm at.
:mad:

Greene County is cheap. And who wants to spend the day in Xenia, Ohio? I don't want to die when a Tornado hits the town.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on December 02, 2009, 07:18:42 PM
Woohoo!  I just got a jury summons today for next month  :cool:

One thing... they better bring us food from the BP *shakes fist angrily*
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:21:30 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2009, 07:18:42 PM
Woohoo!  I just got a jury summons today for next month  :cool:

One thing... they better bring us food from the BP *shakes fist angrily*

Congrats! :w00t:

You know what to do.  :contract:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:23:31 PM
I'd love to get a jury notice.

I'd send back my card and wonder how long it is before someone notices I'm both statutorily ineligible (all lawyers are) and biased as hell since I work in an office with 10 other prosecutors and we all talk.

2:1 that someone notices my name on the list and calls be up before the day of jury selection, 100 to 1 I get noticed within 5 minutes of walking into court.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: ulmont on December 02, 2009, 07:23:54 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:21:30 PM
You know what to do.  :contract:

Prove that jury nullification is alive and well!
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Capetan Mihali on December 02, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:23:31 PM
100 to 1 I get noticed within 5 minutes of walking into court.

The odds are that low?   :huh:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 02, 2009, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:21:30 PM
Congrats! :w00t:

You know what to do.  :contract:

Extort the defendant for millions and then find for the plaintiff anyway?
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Habbaku on December 02, 2009, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: ulmont on December 02, 2009, 07:23:54 PM
Prove that jury nullification is alive and well!

:yes:

I plan on doing just that if I am ever called up for jury duty and the guy is only being charged with a drug-related offense.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on December 02, 2009, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: ulmont on December 02, 2009, 07:23:54 PM
Prove that jury nullification is alive and well!
Oh man, if I got on a marijuana case it would be SWEET. :smoke:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:35:55 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 02, 2009, 07:24:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:23:31 PM
100 to 1 I get noticed within 5 minutes of walking into court.

The odds are that low?   :huh:

err, that high?  I think it a hundred to one that I don't get noticed within 5 minutes?
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Habbaku on December 02, 2009, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:35:55 PM
err, that high?  I think it a hundred to one that I don't get noticed within 5 minutes?

100:1 = low odds.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Neil on December 02, 2009, 07:51:24 PM
Criminals are right to fear agents of the law.

At any rate, I'm not subject to jury duty.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:55:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 02, 2009, 07:51:24 PM
Criminals are right to fear agents of the law.

At any rate, I'm not subject to jury duty.

:yeahright:

QuoteQualifications of jurors

3   Every person who is

                                 (a)    resident in Alberta,

                                 (b)    a Canadian citizen, and

                                 (c)    18 years of age or older,

is qualified to serve as a juror.

1982 cJ‑2.1 s3

Exclusion from jury service

4   The following persons are excluded from serving as jurors:

                                 (a)    members of the Privy Council, the Senate and the House of Commons of Canada;

                                 (b)    members of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta and the Executive Council;

                                 (c)    members of the council of a municipality or members of a board of trustees of a school district or school division;

                                 (d)    judges of the Provincial Court, justices of the Court of Appeal and Court of Queen's Bench and justices of the peace, whether retired or not;

                                 (e)    barristers and solicitors, whether or not they are practising, and students‑at‑law;

                                  (f)    medical examiners under the Fatality Inquiries Act;

                                 (g)    officers and employees of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta;

                                 (h)    persons who

                                           (i)    have been convicted of a criminal offence for which a pardon has not been granted, or

                                          (ii)    are currently charged with a criminal offence;

                                  (i)    witnesses summoned to attend before the Legislative Assembly or a committee of the Legislative Assembly during the period that their attendance is required;

                                  (j)    persons confined in an institution;

                                 (k)    persons engaged in the administration of justice, including

                                           (i)    members and employees of any police service,

                                          (ii)    probation officers,

                                         (iii)    employees of the Department of Justice, and

                                         (iv)    employees of the Department of Justice of Canada or the Department of the Solicitor General of Canada.

RSA 2000 cJ‑3 s4;2008 c20 s2

Exemption from jury service

5(1)  The following persons may be exempted from serving as jurors:

                                 (a)    a person whose conscience or religious vows preclude the person from serving on a jury;

                                 (b)    a person who has served on a jury within the 2 years preceding the person's summons to serve on a jury;

                                 (c)    a person for whom service on a jury will cause severe hardship in respect of the person's health or livelihood or in respect of any legal or moral obligations the person may have to others;

                                 (d)    a person who does not reside within a reasonable distance of the place where the proceedings are to be tried;

                                 (e)    a person who suffers from a physical, mental or other infirmity that is incompatible with the discharge of the duties of a juror;

                                  (f)    a person who is unable to understand, speak or read the language in which the trial is to be conducted;

                                 (g)    a person whose service on a jury would be contrary to the public interest by reason of that person's performance of urgent and essential services of public importance that cannot reasonably be rescheduled or performed by another during that person's absence;

                                 (h)    a person 65 years of age or over.

(2)  On application in the prescribed manner, if a sheriff is satisfied that a person is eligible for exemption under subsection (1), the sheriff shall exempt the person from jury service.

(3)  If the sheriff refuses to exempt a person, that person may either

                                 (a)    on application, prior to the date on which the person has been summoned to attend for the selection of the jury, appeal to any judge, or

                                 (b)    at the time of the selection of the jury, appeal to the judge that is presiding at the jury selection.

(4)  In the case of an appeal pursuant to subsection (3)(a), the clerk shall inform the sheriff if a person has been exempted from serving as a juror.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/stat/rsa-2000-c-j-3/latest/rsa-2000-c-j-3.html

Unless you're "confined to an institution" again? :unsure:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: garbon on December 02, 2009, 07:59:41 PM
Maybe he was suggesting I'm a criminal? :unsure:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 02, 2009, 07:59:41 PM
Maybe he was suggesting I'm a criminal? :unsure:

He  said "I", which was why I linked the Alberta jury requirements.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Maximus on December 02, 2009, 08:03:19 PM
Perhaps Neil's religion forbids him from passing judgment.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Maximus on December 02, 2009, 08:03:19 PM
Perhaps Neil's religion forbids him from passing judgment.

I'm pretty sure his religion requires it, actually.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Razgovory on December 02, 2009, 08:07:49 PM
I've been confined to an institution.  Maybe that's why they don't want me.  I would be just as fair and as impartial as I am here. :)
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on December 03, 2009, 02:43:54 AM
I was summoned once, but never had to do anything but send in a letter saying I couldn't go because of my work.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Jaron on December 03, 2009, 02:53:22 AM
I am called from time to time but I never make it on the jury. My stepfather works as an investigator for the District Attorney, and once that comes to light the defense folks always dismiss me.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on January 21, 2010, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2009, 07:18:42 PM
Woohoo!  I just got a jury summons today for next month  :cool:

One thing... they better bring us food from the BP *shakes fist angrily*
I just got back from the "orientation".  Jury service here is: weird.  I am essentially on call for the next six months.  They make everyone serve a six month term... but the last term (July-December 2009) there was not one single trial in my county.  Hicks know how to behave. :smoke:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: DGuller on January 21, 2010, 03:35:25 PM
...or don't know how to catch criminals.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: derspiess on January 21, 2010, 03:36:37 PM
Not sure how I saw it before, but I read the thread title as "Jury Duty Donuts".  Haven't had a doughnut in ages, so now I'm craving one of those glazed chocolate cake-type doughnuts :(
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on January 21, 2010, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 21, 2010, 03:36:37 PM
Not sure how I saw it before, but I read the thread title as "Jury Duty Donuts".  Haven't had a doughnut in ages, so now I'm craving one of those glazed chocolate cake-type doughnuts :(
Oh man maybe we'll get DONUTS if we have to do a trial! :w00t:

They fed us grinders in Boston.  :cool:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on January 21, 2010, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: DGuller on January 21, 2010, 03:35:25 PM
...or don't know how to catch criminals.
When the judge walked in the bailiff like sprung out of his chair and was like "ALLLL RAHHHHHHHHZ"

He reminded me of this guy.

<-----------

I was disappointed he did not say "gurrhw gurrhw gurrhw" afterward.  :(
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 21, 2010, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 07:55:23 PM

Unless you're "confined to an institution" again? :unsure:

Well, he is married.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on January 21, 2010, 03:46:43 PM
In the state of Kentucky, there is no exemption for being a member of the legal profession.  In fact, the circuit judge was actually summoned to his own jury pool for this term.  :lol:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on January 21, 2010, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 21, 2010, 03:46:43 PM
In the state of Kentucky, there is no exemption for being a member of the legal profession.  In fact, the circuit judge was actually summoned to his own jury pool for this term.  :lol:

We've had a prosecutor receive a jury summons for their own trial as well.   :cool:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Alcibiades on January 21, 2010, 06:53:27 PM
I've always been excused from Jury duty being military... I hope I don't get called now.... :unsure:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: garbon on January 21, 2010, 06:56:46 PM
You are now a full time student.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Alcibiades on January 21, 2010, 07:13:51 PM
Figured that would exempt me, wasn't sure.   :cool:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on January 21, 2010, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 21, 2010, 07:13:51 PM
Figured that would exempt me, wasn't sure.   :cool:

I wouldn't be so sure...
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: garbon on January 22, 2010, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 21, 2010, 07:13:51 PM
Figured that would exempt me, wasn't sure.   :cool:

If you really care you could double check but I think in most states you can get away with being a full time student.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on January 22, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
I was called in Pennsylvania while I was a full time student but happened to be home for the summer.  After I filled out the questionnaire (wherein I indicated my status) I was dismissed, but I was dismissed with a bunch of other people and they didn't tell any of us why we were sent home.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
Here, being a full time student won't get you automatically dismissed.  You may be dismissed on a more general "hardship" because of your studies, but that's it.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Ed Anger on January 22, 2010, 07:35:33 PM
Jury duty is for chumps.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Neil on January 22, 2010, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2010, 07:35:33 PM
Jury duty is for chumps.
True.  Anyone who would participate in such an immoral institution as a jury is a chump, and is participating in the destruction of civilization.
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 22, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
I've been called up for the 1st. :homestar:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 22, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
I've been called up for the 1st. :homestar:

You know what to do.  :contract:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: ulmont on January 22, 2010, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 22, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
I've been called up for the 1st. :homestar:

You know what to do.  :contract:

Prove that jury nullification is alive and well!

See also
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=2990.msg152737#msg152737 and
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=2990.msg152739#msg152739
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on January 23, 2010, 03:47:42 AM
This thread reminded me that I still need to fill out and return my Jury Duty questionaire. For February 2010. Which they sent to my home back in November.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on January 23, 2010, 03:54:51 AM
Quote from: ulmont on January 22, 2010, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 22, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
I've been called up for the 1st. :homestar:

You know what to do.  :contract:

Prove that jury nullification is alive and well!

That's not what I meant. :contract:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: garbon on January 23, 2010, 04:33:21 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
Here, being a full time student won't get you automatically dismissed.  You may be dismissed on a more general "hardship" because of your studies, but that's it.

US != Canada :o
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: DisturbedPervert on January 23, 2010, 05:30:03 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 21, 2010, 07:13:51 PM
Figured that would exempt me, wasn't sure.   :cool:

I'd think a lot of students would have much more spare time for jury duty than people working
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: DisturbedPervert on January 23, 2010, 05:31:58 AM
I got called up every year I was in college.  Never had to go because I was living hundreds of miles away from where I was registered.   :lol:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Caliga on January 23, 2010, 07:36:21 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2010, 07:35:33 PM
Jury duty is for chumps.
Stop hating America.  :mad:
Title: Re: Jury Duty Don'ts
Post by: Barrister on January 23, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 23, 2010, 04:33:21 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
Here, being a full time student won't get you automatically dismissed.  You may be dismissed on a more general "hardship" because of your studies, but that's it.

US != Canada :o

Which is why I initially said "don't be sure", and then specified that I was talking about "here". :rolleyes: