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Title: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: citizen k on October 27, 2009, 02:58:14 AM
QuoteBush family political heir is shipping off to war
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George P. Bush, or "P" as he's known to some, is thought to be the biggest hope for a fourth generation of Bush family political leaders, with some suggesting that he might run for statewide office in Texas at some point in the next four to eight years. But, as The Daily Beast points out today, any future George P. Bush political ambitions will have to be put on hold as his Navy Reserve unit is set to be deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan in the coming weeks.

Lt. Junior Grade Bush, 33, joined the Navy Reserve in 2007 as an intelligence officer. The Navy recently told him, like thousands of others, that the two ongoing wars required him to go active-duty overseas, potentially in Iraq or Afghanistan. "It's been communicated to me that it's not a question of 'if,' it's a question of 'when,'" Bush told The Daily Beast. "It's just a matter of time."

Bush, who said that he was inspired by the service of his grandfather George H.W. Bush as well as former NFL star Pat Tillman, signed up for an eight-year term in the Navy Reserve in 2007. When word got out about his enlistment, Bush told Politico that he was "disappointed" as he'd intended to keep it under wraps, saying, "I was hoping to keep this as confidential as possible. I'm not doing it for political purposes or anything along those lines." However, prior to his joining some opponents of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan roundly criticized the Bush administration for the Bush family's lack of service in the war effort, saying that if George W. Bush was willing to send the children of other Americans into harm's way overseas, then George P. Bush and other eligible Bush family members should join the armed services and risk their lives fighting for the country as well.

Compared to JFK Jr. due to his good looks and seemingly effortless public charisma, George Prescott Bush (his middle name honors his great-grandfather, former U.S. Sen. Prescott Bush) is the son of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and his wife, Columba Bush, who was born and raised in Mexico. Bush's half-Hispanic bloodline aided his burst onto the American political scene in 2000, when he helped his uncle George W. Bush rally up considerable Hispanic voter support by speaking at the Republican National Convention and starring in Spanish-language campaign ads, an effort that many feel helped Bush win the state of Florida's electoral votes, which turned out to be the controversial determining factor in the close election.

Born and raised in Florida, George P. Bush was a high school classmate of pop star Enrique Iglesias. After high school, he attended Rice University in Houston, where, just like his presidential uncle and grandfather, he was a walk-on on his school's baseball squad, though he quit the team during his sophomore year. After earning a degree in history from Rice, Bush got a job teaching at a Miami-area agricultural community. After leaving that job to hit the campaign trail in 2000, he entered law school at the University of Texas after NYU, Yale, Harvard, and Columbia rejected his applications. While there, he met his future bride, Amanda Williams, whom he asked to play golf on their first date. After graduation, they both practiced law in Dallas before moving to Austin in 2005. Bush now is a partner in a real estate investment firm while his wife practices law.

Other than being arrested at 18 for burglarizing the home of an ex-girlfriend, George P. Bush appears to have all the right credentials to carry the Bush legacy well into the future. While family members often refer to the former presidents Bush as "41" and "43," the Washington Post says that some close to the family have taken to referring to George P. Bush as "47," so it's probably safe to assume that those inside the family see him as a potential future Bush torchbearer just as many outside the family do. Could a possible Bush vs. Biden matchup be in the works for 2020 or 2024, with George P. Bush taking on Beau Biden, the attorney general of Delaware and son of the current vice president who also served in Iraq? In some circles, it may not be too early to speculate.


According to Marty, only the dregs of society join the military in Europe. In the U.S. the political elites join to pad their resumes.

Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 03:11:17 AM
Good for him.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 27, 2009, 03:26:40 AM
Quote from: citizen k on October 27, 2009, 02:58:14 AM
According to Marty, only the dregs of society join the military in Europe. In the U.S. the political elites join to pad their resumes.

That's why Europe is vulnerable to a country of 150 million and falling, with a mediocre economy.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 27, 2009, 03:53:54 AM
Quote from: citizen k on October 27, 2009, 02:58:14 AM
QuoteBush family political heir is shipping off to war
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George P. Bush, or "P" as he's known to some, is thought to be the biggest hope for a fourth generation of Bush family political leaders, with some suggesting that he might run for statewide office in Texas at some point in the next four to eight years. But, as The Daily Beast points out today, any future George P. Bush political ambitions will have to be put on hold as his Navy Reserve unit is set to be deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan in the coming weeks.

Lt. Junior Grade Bush, 33, joined the Navy Reserve in 2007 as an intelligence officer. The Navy recently told him, like thousands of others, that the two ongoing wars required him to go active-duty overseas, potentially in Iraq or Afghanistan. "It's been communicated to me that it's not a question of 'if,' it's a question of 'when,'" Bush told The Daily Beast. "It's just a matter of time."

Bush, who said that he was inspired by the service of his grandfather George H.W. Bush as well as former NFL star Pat Tillman, signed up for an eight-year term in the Navy Reserve in 2007. When word got out about his enlistment, Bush told Politico that he was "disappointed" as he'd intended to keep it under wraps, saying, "I was hoping to keep this as confidential as possible. I'm not doing it for political purposes or anything along those lines." However, prior to his joining some opponents of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan roundly criticized the Bush administration for the Bush family's lack of service in the war effort, saying that if George W. Bush was willing to send the children of other Americans into harm's way overseas, then George P. Bush and other eligible Bush family members should join the armed services and risk their lives fighting for the country as well.

Compared to JFK Jr. due to his good looks and seemingly effortless public charisma, George Prescott Bush (his middle name honors his great-grandfather, former U.S. Sen. Prescott Bush) is the son of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and his wife, Columba Bush, who was born and raised in Mexico. Bush's half-Hispanic bloodline aided his burst onto the American political scene in 2000, when he helped his uncle George W. Bush rally up considerable Hispanic voter support by speaking at the Republican National Convention and starring in Spanish-language campaign ads, an effort that many feel helped Bush win the state of Florida's electoral votes, which turned out to be the controversial determining factor in the close election.

Born and raised in Florida, George P. Bush was a high school classmate of pop star Enrique Iglesias. After high school, he attended Rice University in Houston, where, just like his presidential uncle and grandfather, he was a walk-on on his school's baseball squad, though he quit the team during his sophomore year. After earning a degree in history from Rice, Bush got a job teaching at a Miami-area agricultural community. After leaving that job to hit the campaign trail in 2000, he entered law school at the University of Texas after NYU, Yale, Harvard, and Columbia rejected his applications. While there, he met his future bride, Amanda Williams, whom he asked to play golf on their first date. After graduation, they both practiced law in Dallas before moving to Austin in 2005. Bush now is a partner in a real estate investment firm while his wife practices law.

Other than being arrested at 18 for burglarizing the home of an ex-girlfriend, George P. Bush appears to have all the right credentials to carry the Bush legacy well into the future. While family members often refer to the former presidents Bush as "41" and "43," the Washington Post says that some close to the family have taken to referring to George P. Bush as "47," so it's probably safe to assume that those inside the family see him as a potential future Bush torchbearer just as many outside the family do. Could a possible Bush vs. Biden matchup be in the works for 2020 or 2024, with George P. Bush taking on Beau Biden, the attorney general of Delaware and son of the current vice president who also served in Iraq? In some circles, it may not be too early to speculate.


According to Marty, only the dregs of society join the military in Central and Eastern Europe. In the U.S. the political elites join to pad their resumes.

Fixed it for you :)
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 04:03:09 AM
And next you will put a beaner on your throne. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. :weep:
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 04:34:47 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 03:26:40 AM
Quote from: citizen k on October 27, 2009, 02:58:14 AM
According to Marty, only the dregs of society join the military in Europe. In the U.S. the political elites join to pad their resumes.

That's why Europe is vulnerable to a country of 150 million and falling, with a mediocre economy.

It is?
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 27, 2009, 08:21:09 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 27, 2009, 03:53:54 AM
Fixed it for you :)
We've heard the same thing about Spain.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Jaron on October 27, 2009, 08:26:13 AM
Its not too late for little Jaron to go off to war. :o
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 27, 2009, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 04:34:47 AM
It is?

Just to clarify, it's Russia with the mediocre economy, not Europe.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: alfred russel on October 27, 2009, 08:52:32 AM
Prince Harry went to Afghanistan, but he was recalled when that became public because he was too much of a target. I would guess that a Bush would be just as big of a target.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 03:26:40 AM
Quote from: citizen k on October 27, 2009, 02:58:14 AM
According to Marty, only the dregs of society join the military in Europe. In the U.S. the political elites join to pad their resumes.

That's why Europe is vulnerable to a country of 150 million and falling, with a mediocre economy.

Having problems with the flux capacitor, are we?


And yes, only after failing at everything else you join the military.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 27, 2009, 08:59:46 AM
Quote from: Jaron on October 27, 2009, 08:26:13 AM
Its not too late for little Jaron to go off to war. :o

Remember not to tell.  :P
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 27, 2009, 09:05:03 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 27, 2009, 08:21:09 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 27, 2009, 03:53:54 AM
Fixed it for you :)
We've heard the same thing about Spain.

Given the current crisis, I am not sure the Spaniards can be picky now...
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: DisturbedPervert on October 27, 2009, 10:43:39 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 27, 2009, 08:52:32 AM
Prince Harry went to Afghanistan, but he was recalled when that became public because he was too much of a target. I would guess that a Bush would be just as big of a target.

Now they will start sinking American carriers on the off chance Bush is serving on board.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: derspiess on October 27, 2009, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: Jaron on October 27, 2009, 08:26:13 AM
Its not too late for little Jaron to go off to war. :o

Oh, is Santa Ana recruiting?  :)

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Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 03:26:40 AM
Quote from: citizen k on October 27, 2009, 02:58:14 AM
According to Marty, only the dregs of society join the military in Europe. In the U.S. the political elites join to pad their resumes.

That's why Europe is vulnerable to a country of 150 million and falling, with a mediocre economy.

Having problems with the flux capacitor, are we?


And yes, only after failing at everything else you join the military.

:rolleyes:

I don't know how conditions are in Spain, but you certainly can't speak for every country in Europe.

In Sweden, getting into and surviving officer training requires you to be not only intelligent but also personally capable. With many of the new technologies a high degree of education and skill is required above and beyond what is necessary to command troops, run a ship or stick a servo motor on two pieces of scrap metal and call it a robot.

Your disgust of the military is of course no surprise given how you commutards think.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
And the Swedes have led so many men into battle over these past 100 years.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Siege on October 27, 2009, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: Jaron on October 27, 2009, 08:26:13 AM
Its not too late for little Jaron to go off to war. :o

You are too much of a pussy for that.

Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Siege on October 27, 2009, 12:02:47 PM
That Bush dude joined the Navy Reserve?

Does that really counts?

Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
And the Swedes have led so many men into battle over these past 100 years.

:huh:

What does that have to do with anything?

You're making even less sense than usual.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: KRonn on October 27, 2009, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: Siege on October 27, 2009, 12:02:47 PM
That Bush dude joined the Navy Reserve?

Does that really counts?
I'd say so. My understanding is that the current military structure intends for reserve units to be activated for duty to fill out the regular forces. So the reserves get a lot more active duty time, especially the more that the regular military is deployed?
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 27, 2009, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:03:54 PM
:huh:

What does that have to do with anything?

You're making even less sense than usual.

It made perfect sense. Of course, it was a purely gratuitous insult, but you should be used to those.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 03:26:40 AM
Quote from: citizen k on October 27, 2009, 02:58:14 AM
According to Marty, only the dregs of society join the military in Europe. In the U.S. the political elites join to pad their resumes.

That's why Europe is vulnerable to a country of 150 million and falling, with a mediocre economy.

Unlike the US which has terrorist attacks on its soil claiming thousands of lives and the economy in shambles.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:30:20 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:03:54 PM
:huh:

What does that have to do with anything?

You're making even less sense than usual.


It made perfect sense. Of course, it was a purely gratuitous insult, but you should be used to those.

He didn't insult me. He didn't add to the thread.

I'm still at a loss as to the point of his post, not to mention his existance.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 27, 2009, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 12:25:01 PM
Unlike the US which has terrorist attacks on its soil claiming thousands of lives and the economy in shambles.

See, if you read the whole thread before posting this you'd know that I wasn't saying anything about Europe's economy.

Terrorists are a risk to individual lives, but neither our country or yours(which also has terrorist attacks) is going to implode from terrorists. Russia is a threat to Europe. Not as great a threat as 20 years ago, sure, but still a threat. AQ and the Taliban aren't a threat to any Western nation.

Slargos- whether you found it insulting or not, Raz obviously meant it that way.  :lol:
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 12:25:01 PM
Unlike the US which has terrorist attacks on its soil claiming thousands of lives and the economy in shambles.

See, if you read the whole thread before posting this you'd know that I wasn't saying anything about Europe's economy.

Terrorists are a risk to individual lives, but neither our country or yours(which also has terrorist attacks) is going to implode from terrorists. Russia is a threat to Europe. Not as great a threat as 20 years ago, sure, but still a threat. AQ and the Taliban aren't a threat to any Western nation.

Slargos- whether you found it insulting or not, Raz obviously meant it that way.  :lol:

There is no doubt about that. I maintain that for a statement or act to be labeled an insult, there has to be intent and acceptance.

Only in barbaric third world honour cultures can a statement be an insult when no offense was intended, or when the subject of the purposed slight does not feel insulted.

"Your mother is a whore" for instance, is popular among the coloured segments of Swedish society, but since it in most cases is a clearly false statement, it becomes meaningless.

If I do not become insulted, there is no insult.

Of course, I cannot expect you barbaric and emotion-controlled Americans to understand a concept like this.  :bowler:
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 12:25:01 PM
Unlike the US which has terrorist attacks on its soil claiming thousands of lives and the economy in shambles.

So Russia > the US eh?
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 04:34:47 AM
It is?

Just to clarify, it's Russia with the mediocre economy, not Europe.

How is Russia a threat to Europe?
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
How is Russia a threat to Europe?

They can turn off your gas!
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Maximus on October 27, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:51:06 PM

There is no doubt about that. I maintain that for a statement or act to be labeled an insult, there has to be intent and acceptance.

Only in barbaric third world honour cultures can a statement be an insult when no offense was intended, or when the subject of the purposed slight does not feel insulted.

"Your mother is a whore" for instance, is popular among the coloured segments of Swedish society, but since it in most cases is a clearly false statement, it becomes meaningless.

If I do not become insulted, there is no insult.

Of course, I cannot expect you barbaric and emotion-controlled Americans to understand a concept like this.  :bowler:
:yes: One can only be insulted in one chooses to be.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 04:34:47 AM
It is?

Just to clarify, it's Russia with the mediocre economy, not Europe.

How is Russia a threat to Europe?

I marvel at the naivete this question reveals. We get a lot of your kind in Scandinavia aswell.

I blame the lack of focus on History in school.

A nation that has in one form or another been the Scourge of all that we hold holy and decent for over 800 years is in the blink of an eye, relatively speaking, determined to be completely harmless.

It boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
How is Russia a threat to Europe?

They can turn off your gas!

And what this got with this thread? Does having more fighting spirit or holding military in better esteem spontaneously create fossil fuels in your soil?
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 01:00:16 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 04:34:47 AM
It is?

Just to clarify, it's Russia with the mediocre economy, not Europe.

How is Russia a threat to Europe?

I marvel at the naivete this question reveals. We get a lot of your kind in Scandinavia aswell.

I blame the lack of focus on History in school.

A nation that has in one form or another been the Scourge of all that we hold holy and decent for over 800 years is in the blink of an eye, relatively speaking, determined to be completely harmless.

It boggles the mind.

It's not a question of intentions, but a question of means.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Siege on October 27, 2009, 01:06:39 PM
Raz fails at trolling Slargos.

Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Siege on October 27, 2009, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
Does having more fighting spirit or holding military in better esteem spontaneously create fossil fuels in your soil?

I'm afraid not.

It would be cool, though.

The arabs would have no oil, and Israel would be filthy oil rich.

Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Tonitrus on October 27, 2009, 01:44:05 PM
This thread will not meet the "Languish Gold Standard" until Martinus has weighed in on whether he is gay-HOTT.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
And the Swedes have led so many men into battle over these past 100 years.

:huh:

What does that have to do with anything?

You're making even less sense than usual.

How do you know your officers can lead anything?  There is nobody in living memory who's had to do anything like leading.  They are nothing more then bureaucrats with medals.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: Siege on October 27, 2009, 01:06:39 PM
Raz fails at trolling Slargos.

I don't have to.  I have his true name.  I have power over him.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
And the Swedes have led so many men into battle over these past 100 years.

:huh:

What does that have to do with anything?

You're making even less sense than usual.

How do you know your officers can lead anything?  There is nobody in living memory who's had to do anything like leading.  They are nothing more then bureaucrats with medals.

Aside from the fact that you are deluded in your perceptions of what constitutes leadership and whether or not swedish units have participated in wars, you missed the entire part about technical skill and education, which by necessity weeds out "those who have failed everywhere else", especially since officers generally come out of military service with highly sought after skills in the private sector.

Iorm was wrong in his flippant remark, and you are wrong in your vacuous attempt at a followup.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
And what this got with this thread? Does having more fighting spirit or holding military in better esteem spontaneously create fossil fuels in your soil?

Maybe a mighty European army would conquer Russia and bring the joys of Western Civilization to the backwards masses while securing valuable natural resources?  Not sure really.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: The Brain on October 27, 2009, 02:37:41 PM
After the first strike European forces will just have to move in and secure the radioactive wasteland. Rounding up mutants and worse.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Pat on October 27, 2009, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 04:34:47 AM
It is?

Just to clarify, it's Russia with the mediocre economy, not Europe.

How is Russia a threat to Europe?

I marvel at the naivete this question reveals. We get a lot of your kind in Scandinavia aswell.

I blame the lack of focus on History in school.

A nation that has in one form or another been the Scourge of all that we hold holy and decent for over 800 years is in the blink of an eye, relatively speaking, determined to be completely harmless.

It boggles the mind.

Russian demographics are collapsing. If things go on the way they do now, Russia will go from 145 millions today to 90 millions by 2050, with a population pyramid turned upside-down, i.e. with many old and few young. Of course, their 20 million strong muslim minority is still having babies. I think they'll have enough to deal with at home.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: miglia on October 27, 2009, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 27, 2009, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 04:34:47 AM
It is?

Just to clarify, it's Russia with the mediocre economy, not Europe.

How is Russia a threat to Europe?

I marvel at the naivete this question reveals. We get a lot of your kind in Scandinavia aswell.

I blame the lack of focus on History in school.

A nation that has in one form or another been the Scourge of all that we hold holy and decent for over 800 years is in the blink of an eye, relatively speaking, determined to be completely harmless.

It boggles the mind.

Russian demographics are collapsing. If things go on the way they do now, Russia will go from 145 millions today to 90 millions by 2050, with a population pyramid turned upside-down, i.e. with many old and few young. Of course, their 20 million strong muslim minority is still having babies. I think they'll have enough to deal with at home.

And the ravenous slobbering horde of russians replaced by a ravening slobbering horde of muslims is helpful how exactly?

Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: DisturbedPervert on October 27, 2009, 02:52:44 PM
Quote from: miglia on October 27, 2009, 02:40:52 PM
Russian demographics are collapsing. If things go on the way they do now, Russia will go from 145 millions today to 90 millions by 2050, with a population pyramid turned upside-down, i.e. with many old and few young. Of course, their 20 million strong muslim minority is still having babies. I think they'll have enough to deal with at home.

They're going to have millions of Chinese in a depopulated Far East to look forward to as well.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
Iorm was wrong in his flippant remark, and you are wrong in your vacuous attempt at a followup.

Except the only place I said those things was in your mind. I'm neither against the military (quite the contrary) or talking about other European countries. I just confirmed that joining the military in Spain is usually reserved for losers.

Of course that is a generalization. Certain posts, such as piloting aircraft are sought after. And a lot are filled by people who have been immersed in the military for their whole lives or (frequently and) have certain sympathies: most officers I know are sons or grandsons of officers who served under Franco, the rest only attempted to enter the Academy after being left behind at high school.

The military has not been able to overcome the legacy of 40 years of dictatorship. Simple as that. It's telling that only now, with almost 20% unemployment, it can finally fill its recruitment goals.



Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Pat on October 27, 2009, 02:59:31 PM
QuoteAnd the ravenous slobbering horde of russians replaced by a ravening slobbering horde of muslims is helpful how exactly?

That's still a long way into the future. We'll have plenty of time to react to that.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
And what this got with this thread? Does having more fighting spirit or holding military in better esteem spontaneously create fossil fuels in your soil?

Maybe a mighty European army would conquer Russia and bring the joys of Western Civilization to the backwards masses while securing valuable natural resources?  Not sure really.

We leave that for the Americans. We can't be bothered to spread peace and love at the point of a gun.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Ed Anger on October 27, 2009, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
And what this got with this thread? Does having more fighting spirit or holding military in better esteem spontaneously create fossil fuels in your soil?

Maybe a mighty European army would conquer Russia and bring the joys of Western Civilization to the backwards masses while securing valuable natural resources?  Not sure really.

We leave that for the Americans. We can't be bothered to spread peace and love at the point of a gun.

And you Spaniards used to be so good at it too. :weep:
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
Iorm was wrong in his flippant remark, and you are wrong in your vacuous attempt at a followup.

Except the only place I said those things was in your mind. I'm neither against the military (quite the contrary) or talking about other European countries. I just confirmed that joining the military in Spain is usually reserved for losers.

Of course that is a generalization. Certain posts, such as piloting aircraft are sought after. And a lot are filled by people who have been immersed in the military for their whole lives or (frequently and) have certain sympathies: most officers I know are sons or grandsons of officers who served under Franco, the rest only attempted to enter the Academy after being left behind at high school.

The military has not been able to overcome the legacy of 40 years of dictatorship. Simple as that. It's telling that only now, with almost 20% unemployment, it can finally fill its recruitment goals.

Then perhaps you should have qualified your statement with "in spain".

The lack of precision in categorical statements lately is mindboggling.

You people are worse than hitler.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 27, 2009, 03:07:38 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
You people are worse than hitler.

And probably racist. :yes:
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Pat on October 27, 2009, 03:07:43 PM
Which Hitler? You need to be more precise.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 03:12:37 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:56:08 PM
And what this got with this thread? Does having more fighting spirit or holding military in better esteem spontaneously create fossil fuels in your soil?

Maybe a mighty European army would conquer Russia and bring the joys of Western Civilization to the backwards masses while securing valuable natural resources?  Not sure really.

We leave that for the Americans. We can't be bothered to spread peace and love at the point of a gun.

I was just trying to figure out how Russia was a threat to Europe and how a big army would help alleviate that.  I don't need to hear how not surrendering cravenly to every religious fanatic who shows his face is a horrible horrible thing.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
You people are worse than hitler.

Stalinobamahitler or Bushitler?
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
How is Russia a threat to Europe?

They can turn off your gas!

And China can turn off your money. I'd rather be cold than penniless. :P
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: alfred russel on October 27, 2009, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 12:53:02 PM
Quote from: Sahib on October 27, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
How is Russia a threat to Europe?

They can turn off your gas!

And China can turn off your money. I'd rather be cold than penniless. :P

China bought our money, but they didn't buy our printing presses. LOL @ China. :p
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Then perhaps you should have qualified your statement with "in spain".

Or perhaps you could have read the thread and thus Yi's post. Reading is a pretty useful skill if you want to be a Swedish officer or engage in other challenging careers.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 03:17:56 PM
And China can turn off your money. I'd rather be cold than penniless. :P

I think you guys are failing to understand what I am trying to do here.  Peter said Europe is in danger from Russia and I was only speculating how this could be and how having a better army would help the situation.  I find your diatribes against international trade and global cooperation misplaced as the United States' relationship to China is unrelated to my current area of inquiry.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Ed Anger on October 27, 2009, 03:31:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2009, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
You people are worse than hitler.

Stalinobamahitler or Bushitler?

I thought I was the hitler?  :cry:
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 27, 2009, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 27, 2009, 02:58:41 PMthe rest only attempted to enter the Academy after being left behind at high school.


Your service academies are considered places where people who couldn't make it elsewhere go? Wow. I can't imagine anyone looking at West Point or Annapolis that way. Those are some of the most elite schools not only in the US but in the world.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 04:53:12 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 27, 2009, 01:44:05 PM
This thread will not meet the "Languish Gold Standard" until Martinus has weighed in on whether he is gay-HOTT.

Bad skin. Blood-shot eyes. Ugly. Ewww.

Forgive me if I don't comment on every ugly man that is posted on Languish.
Title: Re: Bush family political heir is shipping off to war
Post by: Razgovory on October 27, 2009, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 27, 2009, 04:53:12 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 27, 2009, 01:44:05 PM
This thread will not meet the "Languish Gold Standard" until Martinus has weighed in on whether he is gay-HOTT.

Bad skin. Blood-shot eyes. Ugly. Ewww.

Forgive me if I don't comment on every ugly man that is posted on Languish.

This coming from a guy who looks kinda like one of the gulper fish.