http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8312447.stm
"The winners of a quiz organised by Somali Islamists have been given weapons and ammunition as prizes.
Prizes included AK-47 assault rifles, hand grenades and an anti-tank mine.
The quiz ran during the holy Muslim month of Ramadan in the port city of Kismayo, and included questions about the Koran and Somali geography.
A representative for the al-Shabab militant group said the quiz aimed to stop young men from wasting their time and focus on defending their territory.
"The reason the young men were rewarded with weapons is to encourage them to participate in the ongoing holy war against the enemies of Allah in Somalia," AFP news agency quoted al-Shabab's Sheikh Abdullahi Alhaq as saying at Friday's prize-giving ceremony.
The winning team, from the city's Farjano district, reportedly won a rifle, two grenades, a landmine and office supplies worth $1,000 (£613).
But the runners-up did not go home empty-handed, taking away an AK-47 and bullets.
Al-Shabab and other Islamist rebels accused of having links to al-Qaeda dominate much of southern and central Somalia, where they have imposed strict Sharia law.
The country last had a functioning central government in 1991.
A weak UN-backed government runs only parts of the capital, Mogadishu. "
Maybe the heat winners will get to go to the Grand Final in Tehran in 2011 - "win a small nuke and blast 'em for Allah (PBUH)" :D
That's actually kinda amusing, in a way. Funny foreigners. :lol:
This show could very well be American. I could see it being popular in Texas or ..well, any GOP state really.
Quotewon a rifle, two grenades, a landmine and office supplies worth $1,000
:huh:
Quote from: Jaron on October 20, 2009, 02:52:09 AM
This show could very well be American. I could see it being popular in Texas or ..well, any GOP state really.
Yet, oddly enough, it's those pesky Democrat controlled major cities that have gun and violence issues.
Go figure...
Quote from: Strix on October 20, 2009, 04:16:11 AM
Quote from: Jaron on October 20, 2009, 02:52:09 AM
This show could very well be American. I could see it being popular in Texas or ..well, any GOP state really.
Yet, oddly enough, it's those pesky Democrat controlled major cities that have gun and violence issues.
Go figure...
Heh...
Even the peaceful tidepools get flooded at high tide, my friend.
Quote from: Syt on October 20, 2009, 04:02:26 AM
Quotewon a rifle, two grenades, a landmine and office supplies worth $1,000
:huh:
Those Islamic militants have alot of unnecessary paperwork to deal with after an attack. :(
[Mono] Supplies!!! [/Mono]
How ironic. The most uncivilized country on earth is very liberated about handing out assault rifles and landmines, while the good old US of A requires you to wait up to a week before buying those items with your own money.
Quote from: Syt on October 20, 2009, 04:02:26 AM
Quotewon a rifle, two grenades, a landmine and office supplies worth $1,000
:huh:
To write fatwas.
Quote from: Strix on October 20, 2009, 04:16:11 AM
Quote from: Jaron on October 20, 2009, 02:52:09 AM
This show could very well be American. I could see it being popular in Texas or ..well, any GOP state really.
Yet, oddly enough, it's those pesky Democrat controlled major cities that have gun and violence issues.
Wrong.
Unintentional firearm deaths and suicides are proportionately higher in rural areas.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 20, 2009, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: Strix on October 20, 2009, 04:16:11 AM
Quote from: Jaron on October 20, 2009, 02:52:09 AM
This show could very well be American. I could see it being popular in Texas or ..well, any GOP state really.
Yet, oddly enough, it's those pesky Democrat controlled major cities that have gun and violence issues.
Wrong.
Unintentional firearm deaths and suicides are proportionately higher in rural areas.
What about the intentional firearm deaths?
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 11:58:52 AM
What about the intentional firearm deaths?
Suicides by firearm are proportionately higher in rural areas.
Intentional deaths of all kinds not involving handguns (ie shotguns or long guns) are also proportionately higher in rural areas, which is relevant to the thread.
How about intentional homicides by handguns?
On the one hand, having spent a lot of time in Jersey City and Atlantic City, I have frequently missed the right to have a gun on myself. On the other hand, does anybody actually believe that gun ownership saves more lives from preventing murders than it takes by making accidents or suicides more likely? I don't think it's even close, and I'm not even sure that there are any lives to be saved by gun ownership. More guns means more guns for everyone, and higher likelihood of a criminal feeling like they have to be ready to use them.
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 12:31:32 PM
How about intentional homicides by handguns?
The Somali gameshow did not have any handguns as prizes.
:lol:
That's a pretty torturous line of argumentation Joansky.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 20, 2009, 02:50:22 PM
:lol:
That's a pretty torturous line of argumentation Joansky.
The man said "gun and violence issues"
Suicides by gun is a "gun issue". So are accidential deaths by gun.
Less than half of total deaths by gun are intentional homicides. Suicide is more common.
So I don't think it is that tortuous to claim that "gun and violence issues" are a particularly urban phenomenon.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 20, 2009, 03:37:06 PM
Suicides by gun is a "gun issue".
Perhaps.
Homicide by gun is a "gun issue" as availability of firearms makes it much easier to kill someone. Same could be said for accidental deaths.
Do you really think the availability of firearms affects suicide rates?
Quote from: Maximus on October 20, 2009, 03:43:06 PM
Do you really think the availability of firearms affects suicide rates?
My belief is that it does, although I haven't seen any statistical studies to that effect. If you have a suicidal urge, having a gun near you makes it easy to act on it before it passes. It also makes it easier for a suicide attempt to succeed.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 20, 2009, 03:37:06 PM
The man said "gun and violence issues"
Suicides by gun is a "gun issue". So are accidential deaths by gun.
Less than half of total deaths by gun are intentional homicides. Suicide is more common.
So I don't think it is that tortuous to claim that "gun and violence issues" are a particularly urban phenomenon.
Fine. But what was all that nonsense about no handguns awarded in Somali Final Jeopardy?
Quote from: DGuller on October 20, 2009, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: Maximus on October 20, 2009, 03:43:06 PM
Do you really think the availability of firearms affects suicide rates?
My belief is that it does, although I haven't seen any statistical studies to that effect. If you have a suicidal urge, having a gun near you makes it easy to act on it before it passes. It also makes it easier for a suicide attempt to succeed.
Just because a gun is specifically designed to kill things is no reason to believe that more people are killed because there are lots of guns around!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 20, 2009, 03:52:29 PM
Fine. But what was all that nonsense about no handguns awarded in Somali Final Jeopardy?
Requesting sense of humor reboot.
Quote from: Berkut on October 20, 2009, 03:52:47 PM
Just because a gun is specifically designed to kill things is no reason to believe that more people are killed because there are lots of guns around!
Not sure the point you're trying to make here.
I can't be sure, not having ever commited suicide myself, but I would think that if one wanted to kill one's self and no gun was available one would find other methods. And if one didn't really want to kill one's self but just to send a message/scare people etc, there are plenty of less drastic methods to do it than swallowing a bullet.
Quote from: Maximus on October 20, 2009, 03:58:03 PM
Not sure the point you're trying to make here.
I can't be sure, not having ever commited suicide myself, but I would think that if one wanted to kill one's self and no gun was available one would find other methods. And if one didn't really want to kill one's self but just to send a message/scare people etc, there are plenty of less drastic methods to do it than swallowing a bullet.
Yeah, but while you're tying that perfect knot, you might start having second thoughts. With a gun, your thoughts would already be sprayed all over your room.
Also, I'm sure there have to be plenty of people who have an undiagnosed depression, and after their first unsuccessful attempt to kill themselves, they get the help they need, and stop trying to kill themselves. With a gun they would never have that chance.
Quote from: DGuller on October 20, 2009, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: Maximus on October 20, 2009, 03:58:03 PM
Not sure the point you're trying to make here.
I can't be sure, not having ever commited suicide myself, but I would think that if one wanted to kill one's self and no gun was available one would find other methods. And if one didn't really want to kill one's self but just to send a message/scare people etc, there are plenty of less drastic methods to do it than swallowing a bullet.
Yeah, but while you're tying that perfect knot, you might start having second thoughts. With a gun, your thoughts would already be sprayed all over your room.
Haven't been married myself.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 20, 2009, 03:53:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 20, 2009, 03:52:29 PM
Fine. But what was all that nonsense about no handguns awarded in Somali Final Jeopardy?
Requesting sense of humor reboot.
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Quote from: DGuller on October 20, 2009, 04:02:02 PM
Yeah, but while you're tying that perfect knot, you might start having second thoughts. With a gun, your thoughts would already be sprayed all over your room.
Also, I'm sure there have to be plenty of people who have an undiagnosed depression, and after their first unsuccessful attempt to kill themselves, they get the help they need, and stop trying to kill themselves. With a gun they would never have that chance.
Yea I meant to say that's a good point.
The pitbull attack had me distracted.
Quote from: DGuller on October 20, 2009, 12:35:23 PMOn the other hand, does anybody actually believe that gun ownership saves more lives from preventing murders than it takes by making accidents or suicides more likely?
Maybe not, I dunno. But I really don't care if people blow their own brains out, it shouldn't prevent me from owning a gun.
Never owned a gun and hopefully never will though, if I lived somewhere where I thought I needed one I'd do my best to move.