Somali quiz show, win a AK-47 and a few landmines

[The Minsky Moment]

How about intentional homicides by handguns?

The Somali gameshow did not have any handguns as prizes.

[Admiral Yi]

 

That's a pretty torturous line of argumentation Joansky.

[The Minsky Moment]

That's a pretty torturous line of argumentation Joansky.

The man said "gun and violence issues"

Suicides by gun is a "gun issue".    So are accidential deaths by gun.
Less than half of total deaths by gun are intentional homicides.  Suicide is more common.

So I don't think it is that tortuous to claim that "gun and violence issues" are a particularly urban phenomenon.

[Maximus]

Suicides by gun is a "gun issue".   

Perhaps.

Homicide by gun is a "gun issue" as availability of firearms makes it much easier to kill someone. Same could be said for accidental deaths.

Do you really think the availability of firearms affects suicide rates?

[DGuller]

Do you really think the availability of firearms affects suicide rates?

My belief is that it does, although I haven't seen any statistical studies to that effect.  If you have a suicidal urge, having a gun near you makes it easy to act on it before it passes.  It also makes it easier for a suicide attempt to succeed.

[Admiral Yi]

The man said "gun and violence issues"

Suicides by gun is a "gun issue".    So are accidential deaths by gun.
Less than half of total deaths by gun are intentional homicides.  Suicide is more common.

So I don't think it is that tortuous to claim that "gun and violence issues" are a particularly urban phenomenon.

Fine.  But what was all that nonsense about no handguns awarded in Somali Final Jeopardy?

[Berkut]

Do you really think the availability of firearms affects suicide rates?

My belief is that it does, although I haven't seen any statistical studies to that effect.  If you have a suicidal urge, having a gun near you makes it easy to act on it before it passes.  It also makes it easier for a suicide attempt to succeed.

Just because a gun is specifically designed to kill things is no reason to believe that more people are killed because there are lots of guns around!

[The Minsky Moment]

Fine.  But what was all that nonsense about no handguns awarded in Somali Final Jeopardy?

Requesting sense of humor reboot.

[Maximus]

Just because a gun is specifically designed to kill things is no reason to believe that more people are killed because there are lots of guns around!

Not sure the point you're trying to make here.

I can't be sure, not having ever commited suicide myself, but I would think that if one wanted to kill one's self and no gun was available one would find other methods. And if one didn't really want to kill one's self but just to send a message/scare people etc, there are plenty of less drastic methods to do it than swallowing a bullet.

[DGuller]

Not sure the point you're trying to make here.

I can't be sure, not having ever commited suicide myself, but I would think that if one wanted to kill one's self and no gun was available one would find other methods. And if one didn't really want to kill one's self but just to send a message/scare people etc, there are plenty of less drastic methods to do it than swallowing a bullet.

Yeah, but while you're tying that perfect knot, you might start having second thoughts.  With a gun, your thoughts would already be sprayed all over your room. 

Also, I'm sure there have to be plenty of people who have an undiagnosed depression, and after their first unsuccessful attempt to kill themselves, they get the help they need, and stop trying to kill themselves.  With a gun they would never have that chance.

[The Brain]

Not sure the point you're trying to make here.

I can't be sure, not having ever commited suicide myself, but I would think that if one wanted to kill one's self and no gun was available one would find other methods. And if one didn't really want to kill one's self but just to send a message/scare people etc, there are plenty of less drastic methods to do it than swallowing a bullet.

Yeah, but while you're tying that perfect knot, you might start having second thoughts.  With a gun, your thoughts would already be sprayed all over your room. 

Haven't been married myself.

[Ed Anger]

Fine.  But what was all that nonsense about no handguns awarded in Somali Final Jeopardy?

Requesting sense of humor reboot.

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[Maximus]

Yeah, but while you're tying that perfect knot, you might start having second thoughts.  With a gun, your thoughts would already be sprayed all over your room. 

Also, I'm sure there have to be plenty of people who have an undiagnosed depression, and after their first unsuccessful attempt to kill themselves, they get the help they need, and stop trying to kill themselves.  With a gun they would never have that chance.

Yea I meant to say that's a good point.

The pitbull attack had me distracted.

[DisturbedPervert]

On the other hand, does anybody actually believe that gun ownership saves more lives from preventing murders than it takes by making accidents or suicides more likely? 

Maybe not, I dunno.  But I really don't care if people blow their own brains out, it shouldn't prevent me from owning a gun.

Never owned a gun and hopefully never will though, if I lived somewhere where I thought I needed one I'd do my best to move.