I am pleased :)
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QuoteWorld's oldest human-linked skeleton found
'Ardi' predates Lucy by a million years, changes scientific view of origins
Science / AAAS / Discovery Channel
By Randolph E. Schmid
updated 7:23 p.m. ET, Thurs., Oct . 1, 2009
WASHINGTON - The story of humankind is reaching back another million years with the discovery of "Ardi," a hominid who lived 4.4 million years ago in what is now Ethiopia.
The 110-pound, 4-foot female roamed forests a million years before the famous Lucy, long studied as the earliest skeleton of a human ancestor.
This older skeleton reverses the common wisdom of human evolution, said anthropologist C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University.
Rather than humans evolving from an ancient chimplike creature, the new find provides evidence that chimps and humans evolved from some long-ago common ancestor — but each evolved and changed separately along the way.
"This is not that common ancestor, but it's the closest we have ever been able to come," said Tim White, director of the Human Evolution Research Center at the University of California, Berkeley.
The lines that evolved into modern humans and living apes probably shared an ancestor 6 million to 7 million years ago, White said in a telephone interview.
But Ardi has many traits that do not appear in modern-day African apes, leading to the conclusion that the apes evolved extensively since we shared that last common ancestor.
A study of Ardi, under way since the first bones were discovered in 1994, indicates the species lived in the woodlands and could climb on all fours along tree branches, but the development of their arms and legs indicates they didn't spend much time in the trees. And they could walk upright, on two legs, when on the ground.
Formally dubbed Ardipithecus ramidus — which means root of the ground ape — the find is detailed in 11 research papers published Thursday by the journal Science.
"This is one of the most important discoveries for the study of human evolution," said David Pilbeam, curator of paleoanthropology at Harvard's Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology.
"It is relatively complete in that it preserves head, hands, feet and some critical parts in between. It represents a genus plausibly ancestral to Australopithecus — itself ancestral to our genus Homo," said Pilbeam, who was not part of the research teams.
Scientists assembled the skeleton from 125 pieces.
Image: Map of Western Afar Rift
Science / AAAS
The area where "Ardi" was found is rich in sites where the fossils of human ancestors have been found.
Lucy, also found in Africa, thrived a million years after Ardi and was of the more humanlike genus Australopithecus.
"In Ardipithecus we have an unspecialized form that hasn't evolved very far in the direction of Australopithecus. So when you go from head to toe, you're seeing a mosaic creature that is neither chimpanzee, nor is it human. It is Ardipithecus," said White.
White noted that Charles Darwin, whose research in the 19th century paved the way for the science of evolution, was cautious about the last common ancestor between humans and apes.
"Darwin said we have to be really careful. The only way we're really going to know what this last common ancestor looked like is to go and find it. Well, at 4.4 million years ago we found something pretty close to it," White said. "And, just like Darwin appreciated, evolution of the ape lineages and the human lineage has been going on independently since the time those lines split, since that last common ancestor we shared."
Some details about Ardi in the collection of papers:
* Ardi was found in Ethiopia's Afar Rift, where many fossils of ancient plants and animals have been discovered. Findings near the skeleton indicate that at the time it was a wooded environment. Fossils of 29 species of birds and 20 species of small mammals were found at the site.
* Geologist Giday WoldeGabriel of Los Alamos National Laboratory was able to use volcanic layers above and below the fossil to date it to 4.4 million years ago.
* Ardi's upper canine teeth are more like the stubby ones of modern humans than the long, sharp, pointed ones of male chimpanzees and most other primates. An analysis of the tooth enamel suggests a diverse diet, including fruit and other woodland-based foods such as nuts and leaves.
* Paleoanthropologist Gen Suwa of the University of Tokyo reported that Ardi's face had a projecting muzzle, giving her an ape-like appearance. But it didn't thrust forward quite as much as the lower faces of modern African apes do. Some features of her skull, such as the ridge above the eye socket, are quite different from those of chimpanzees. The details of the bottom of the skull, where nerves and blood vessels enter the brain, indicate that Ardi's brain was positioned in a way similar to modern humans, possibly suggesting that the hominid brain may have been already poised to expand areas involving aspects of visual and spatial perception.
* Ardi's hand and wrist were a mix of primitive traits and a few new ones, but they don't include the hallmark traits of the modern tree-hanging, knuckle-walking chimps and gorillas. She had relatively short palms and fingers which were flexible, allowing her to support her body weight on her palms while moving along tree branches, but she had to be a careful climber because she lacked the anatomical features that allow modern-day African apes to swing, hang and easily move through the trees.
* The pelvis and hip show the gluteal muscles were positioned so she could walk upright.
* Her feet were rigid enough for walking but still had a grasping big toe for use in climbing.
The research was funded by the National Science Foundation, the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics of the University of California, Los Alamos National Laboratory, the Japan Society for the Promotion of Science and others.
© 2009 The Associated Press.
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Filed away. :cool:
I first read this as "World's oldest ad hominen skeleton found"
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 02, 2009, 10:31:57 AM
I first read this as "World's oldest ad hominen skeleton found"
One Million BC Languish style.
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 02, 2009, 10:31:57 AM
I first read this as "World's oldest ad hominen skeleton found"
That'd be grumbler's father.
HomoniD, homonym is a word with the same sound but different meaning.
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2009, 10:36:39 AM
HomoniD, homonym is a word with the same sound but different meaning.
That'd be a homophone. Homonym means same exact word with different meanings.
I didn't know early man didn't have ribs. I guess these early versions needed all of them to make an eve.
Another victory for SCIENCE!
This stuff is amazing. Millions of years old; hard to imagine that far back.
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2009, 10:36:39 AM
HomoniD, homonym is a word with the same sound but different meaning.
Keep up with the times, it's been hominin for years
http://archaeology.about.com/od/hterms/g/hominin.htm
Maybe if he built a bigger tomb his skellington wouldn't be in that poor a shape.
Quote from: Syt on October 02, 2009, 08:56:48 AM
image
:rolleyes:
Anyone interested on the significance of the find can go here.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/fossils/ardipithecus/ardipithecus-faq-2009.html
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
PREDICTION: It's not going to discourage the Creationists.
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
It doesn't have to be an either or competition.
Waste of time and a waste of money.
Quote from: Caliga on October 02, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
PREDICTION: It's not going to discourage the Creationists.
Would a victory for Creationists discourage Darwinists? Signs point to "no"
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 02, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
PREDICTION: It's not going to discourage the Creationists.
Would a victory for Creationists discourage Darwinists? Signs point to "no"
Victories for creationists tend to come through things such as inquisitions and legal trials based on stupid laws, so I agree, probably not.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 02, 2009, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 02, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
PREDICTION: It's not going to discourage the Creationists.
Would a victory for Creationists discourage Darwinists? Signs point to "no"
Victories for creationists tend to come through things such as inquisitions and legal trials based on stupid laws, so I agree, probably not.
Assuming all things are equal and for what ever reason evidence is found supporting a creationist view. Don't ask me what kind of evidence, I have no idea. Unicorn horns or Dinosaurs frozen in Siberia or what ever.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 02, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
PREDICTION: It's not going to discourage the Creationists.
Would a victory for Creationists discourage Darwinists? Signs point to "no"
If they found fossil Rabbits in the Pre-Cambrian then they prove Evolution wrong. Biologists all agree.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2009, 01:01:30 PM
Assuming all things are equal and for what ever reason evidence is found supporting a creationist view. Don't ask me what kind of evidence, I have no idea. Unicorn horns or Dinosaurs frozen in Siberia or what ever.
A fossilized Jesus, on a saddled fossil dinosaur. :)
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2009, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 02, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
PREDICTION: It's not going to discourage the Creationists.
Would a victory for Creationists discourage Darwinists? Signs point to "no"
If they found fossil Rabbits in the Pre-Cambrian then they prove Evolution wrong. Biologists all agree.
Doubt it. Especially from the likes of you.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 02, 2009, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 02, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
PREDICTION: It's not going to discourage the Creationists.
Would a victory for Creationists discourage Darwinists? Signs point to "no"
Victories for creationists tend to come through things such as inquisitions and legal trials based on stupid laws, so I agree, probably not.
When you are Left Behind you'll change your tune right quick.
Bah, I demand to see the two missing links between this one and the apes and the next hominid respectively! :angry: :contract:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 02, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: Syt on October 02, 2009, 08:56:48 AM
image
:rolleyes:
Anyone interested on the significance of the find can go here.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/fossils/ardipithecus/ardipithecus-faq-2009.html
Hey, you don't think I'm a whacky creationist/Intelligent designer type of guy? Darwin's my homey.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 02, 2009, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2009, 01:18:11 PM
If they found fossil Rabbits in the Pre-Cambrian then they prove Evolution wrong. Biologists all agree.
Doubt it. Especially from the likes of you.
Show me an undisputably pre-cambrian rabbit and I'll suck Kent Hovind's dick on a conjugal visit.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 02, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
It doesn't have to be an either or competition.
As a future history teacher, you need to explain that sentence of yours.
Seriously.
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2009, 04:56:45 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 02, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
It doesn't have to be an either or competition.
As a future history teacher, you need to explain that sentence of yours.
Seriously.
Anyone who's cared to pay attention these last six years would know that I believe in both, though I don't see how my belief in evolution or God would come in a history class.
But if I was teaching anthropology or archaeology my personal religious beliefs would not come into the class room.
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2009, 04:56:45 AM
As a future history teacher, you need to explain that sentence of yours.
Seriously.
Give it a rest. If you knew the overall quality of our public school teachers, Tim is the last one you'd worry about :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
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Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2009, 04:56:45 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 02, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2009, 11:37:20 AM
Another victory for SCIENCE!
It doesn't have to be an either or competition.
As a future history teacher, you need to explain that sentence of yours.
Seriously.
He simply didn't write it correctly: It doesn't have to be an either/or (or either-or) competition.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
Anyone who's cared to pay attention these last six years would know that I believe in both, though I don't see how my belief in evolution or God would come in a history class.
What about in an English class?
Quote from: Lucidor on October 03, 2009, 03:45:59 AM
Bah, I demand to see the two missing links between this one and the apes and the next hominid respectively! :angry: :contract:
Didn't Tim post his picture some time ago? :huh:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 02, 2009, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2009, 10:36:39 AM
HomoniD, homonym is a word with the same sound but different meaning.
Keep up with the times, it's been hominin for years
http://archaeology.about.com/od/hterms/g/hominin.htm
Except not really. When a hominin is exactly the same as a hominid, but they changed it for the express purposes of being a bunch of cunts, then hominid remains the correct term.
Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2009, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: Lucidor on October 03, 2009, 03:45:59 AM
Bah, I demand to see the two missing links between this one and the apes and the next hominid respectively! :angry: :contract:
Didn't Tim post his picture some time ago? :huh:
Given the size of the lower half of your face, I would think that you wouldn't make any cheap shots about an ape-like appearance.
Quote from: Neil on October 03, 2009, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 02, 2009, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 02, 2009, 10:36:39 AM
HomoniD, homonym is a word with the same sound but different meaning.
Keep up with the times, it's been hominin for years
http://archaeology.about.com/od/hterms/g/hominin.htm
Except not really. When a hominin is exactly the same as a hominid, but they changed it for the express purposes of being a bunch of cunts, then hominid remains the correct term.
Isn't the correct feminist terminology humynid
Quote from: Lucidor on October 03, 2009, 03:25:23 PM
Isn't the correct feminist terminology humynid
Part human, part triffid? :o
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2009, 04:56:45 AM
As a future history teacher, you need to explain that sentence of yours.
Seriously.
Tamas, you live in Majaristan. How many religious people have you met in your life?
I look forward to Tim's wonderful additions to the Physical Anthropological Knowledge Base once he finishes his Anthropological studies.
I'm sure TimTim will find the time to get in not-too-risky adventures and foil the plans of some not-too-evil crooks along the way.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 03, 2009, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2009, 04:56:45 AM
As a future history teacher, you need to explain that sentence of yours.
Seriously.
Tamas, you live in Majaristan. How many religious people have you met in your life?
The very first class with my high school history teacher, quoting him:
"You may be descendant of apes, but I am not". So we skipped through the whole stone age stuff.
And no, creationism can't be tolerated, because if you treat it as an alternative to evolution, you are dragging down evolution to it's level, and that is plain wrong, since evolution is a scientific fact.
I think you're missing the point here, Tampax. The problem isn't creationists, the problem is Americans. Americans cannot be tolerated.
Quote from: Neil on October 03, 2009, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 03, 2009, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: Lucidor on October 03, 2009, 03:45:59 AM
Bah, I demand to see the two missing links between this one and the apes and the next hominid respectively! :angry: :contract:
Didn't Tim post his picture some time ago? :huh:
Given the size of the lower half of your face, I would think that you wouldn't make any cheap shots about an ape-like appearance.
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homo polonis
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homo polonis
They are going to find an ancient rock with outraged scribbling on it.
Quote from: The Brain on October 04, 2009, 04:24:11 AM
I think you're missing the point here, Tampax. The problem isn't creationists, the problem is Americans. Americans cannot be tolerated.
I don't believe Tamas went to school in America.
Also, it's Lady Gaga fans who can't be tolerated.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 03, 2009, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2009, 04:56:45 AM
As a future history teacher, you need to explain that sentence of yours.
Seriously.
Tamas, you live in Majaristan. How many religious people have you met in your life?
His Russian masters fucked it out of him.
A very interesting video blog discussion on Ardipithecus and a new genetic study on the ancestral population in North India. Spellus will love that part.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/site/bloggingheads-october-2009.html
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 22, 2009, 12:12:56 AM
A very interesting video blog discussion on Ardipithecus and a new genetic study on the ancestral population in North India. Spellus will love that part.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/site/bloggingheads-october-2009.html
Indians = Andamanese Islanders + Iranians. NEWS!
How many times has Garbon been mistaken for a Desi? Almost all my biracial white-black friends could tell you that.
Weirdly, they seem to be ignoring the possibility that successive waves of "Aryan" invasions of India, rather than one big Aryan invasion. The Indo-Greeks, the Indo-Saka, the Tocharians, the Hepthalites....one big invasion wouldn't do it, but India received more than half a dozen invasions.
EDIT: Their assumptions on the phenotype of the Proto-Indo-Europeans are questionable. Most of the evidence I have seen on Indo-European grave sites indicate a very mixed people; IIRC Tarim Basin graves often have people of Mid-Eastern, Indian and Western European descent.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 22, 2009, 12:55:12 AM
Weirdly, they seem to be ignoring the possibility that successive waves of "Aryan" invasions of India, rather than one big Aryan invasion. The Indo-Greeks, the Indo-Saka, the Tocharians, the Hepthalites....one big invasion wouldn't do it, but India received more than half a dozen invasions.
EDIT: Their assumptions on the phenotype of the Proto-Indo-Europeans are questionable. Most of the evidence I have seen on Indo-European grave sites indicate a very mixed people; IIRC Tarim Basin graves often have people of Mid-Eastern, Indian and Western European descent.
They don't ignore the possibility of successive waves of immigration, just that the Indo-Europeans and the Arayans came in different waves.
QuoteBut Ardi has many traits that do not appear in modern-day African apes, leading to the conclusion that the apes evolved extensively since we shared that last common ancestor.
Scientists were still pressed to find an explanation for the fossilized remains of Air Jordans nearby.
Quote from: Queequeg on October 22, 2009, 12:47:52 AM
How many times has Garbon been mistaken for a Desi? Almost all my biracial white-black friends could tell you that.
Yes, many a time.