So I was downloading a Wikipanion application for iPhone and got a message "The product contains material that may be objectionable for children under 17".
:face:
Quote from: Martinus on September 28, 2009, 09:33:01 AM
So I was downloading a Wikipanion application for iPhone and got a message "The product contains material that may be objectionable for children under 17".
:face:
? There are some fairly explicit photographs through various parts of Wikipedia.
It's a bit bizarre, though. I mean, wikipedia is ultimately a search engine for uniformly written information pieces. By the same token they could make an access to an online search engine 'objectionable for kids'.
Quote from: Martinus on September 28, 2009, 10:30:36 AM
It's a bit bizarre, though. I mean, wikipedia is ultimately a search engine for uniformly written information pieces. By the same token they could make an access to an online search engine 'objectionable for kids'.
The search engines aren't hosting the content themselves, so there are some differences.
You might as well have the same warning on every internet connection or mobile phone or even camera. They can all have objectionable content if you choose to.
On the other hand, the Daily Mail SHOULD have ojectionable content stamped in giant red letters on the cover.
The comments at the bottom of the Daily Mail stories are particularly dispiriting; if it really does reflect middle England then we are a mean-spirited country :(
Quote from: Martinus on September 28, 2009, 10:30:36 AM
It's a bit bizarre, though. I mean, wikipedia is ultimately a search engine for uniformly written information pieces. By the same token they could make an access to an online search engine 'objectionable for kids'.
You'll find that any app that accesses the internet will have that warning.
Wonder if Marty is aware of the controversy over the South Park app that was pulled :D
Anywho, there are some things on Wikipedia I definitely wouldn't want my kid to access.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 28, 2009, 11:25:44 AM
The comments at the bottom of the Daily Mail stories are particularly dispiriting; if it really does reflect middle England then we are a mean-spirited country :(
I love reading the comments sections on the daily mail stories. :lol:
Hmm..
ulmonts lawyerin' skills > Martinus ? ?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2009, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 28, 2009, 11:25:44 AM
The comments at the bottom of the Daily Mail stories are particularly dispiriting; if it really does reflect middle England then we are a mean-spirited country :(
I love reading the comments sections on the daily mail stories. :lol:
Yeah, it is a very entertaining read. But, since I live in the UK, I get the "I'm living in the same country as these fuckers" hangover an hour or two later; which you presumably don't :D
Quote from: ulmont on September 28, 2009, 10:33:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 28, 2009, 10:30:36 AM
It's a bit bizarre, though. I mean, wikipedia is ultimately a search engine for uniformly written information pieces. By the same token they could make an access to an online search engine 'objectionable for kids'.
The search engines aren't hosting the content themselves, so there are some differences.
That also goes to the mounting number of evidences of Marty not being a lawyer.
Martinus?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ehow.com%2Fimages%2FGlobalPhoto%2FArticles%2F4561803%2FMyCousinVinny-main_Full.jpg&hash=208e3d05b7e16fee1887a540dc362af0776b8643)
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2009, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 28, 2009, 11:25:44 AM
The comments at the bottom of the Daily Mail stories are particularly dispiriting; if it really does reflect middle England then we are a mean-spirited country :(
I love reading the comments sections on the daily mail stories. :lol:
I like to think they're actually written my middle-class left-wing intellectuals just trolling. It's the only way I can maintain hope for society.
And to think it's the only paper I've sold a story to :weep:
Quote from: Jaron on September 28, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
Hmm..
ulmonts lawyerin' skills > Martinus ? ?
What does it have to do with lawyering skills? I just find this retarded and if this is extended to any application that can access the internet, as BB claims, then it is retarded as well. I am not making a legal argument - I am pretty aware that Americans are perfectly capable of having totally cretinous laws - I am making an argument about common sense.
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 03:59:12 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 28, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
Hmm..
ulmonts lawyerin' skills > Martinus ? ?
What does it have to do with lawyering skills? I just find this retarded and if this is extended to any application that can access the internet, as BB claims, then it is retarded as well. I am not making a legal argument - I am pretty aware that Americans are perfectly capable of having totally cretinous laws - I am making an argument about common sense.
He meant that ulmont instantly realized that Google has much less responsibility for stuff you find on it, since those stuff are stored on non-google servers. Unlike wikipedia which uses its own servers.
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 03:59:12 AM
What does it have to do with lawyering skills? I just find this retarded and if this is extended to any application that can access the internet, as BB claims, then it is retarded as well. I am not making a legal argument - I am pretty aware that Americans are perfectly capable of having totally cretinous laws - I am making an argument about common sense.
I would say your common-sense skills are as ineffectual as your lawyering skills. Wikipedia almost certainly put that warning in because their lawyers advised them to do so (to limit liability). Common sense tells one to listen to their lawyer about the law (when it is a real lawyer, that is, not just someone on the internet pretending to be one).
I think some of you greatly overestimate the amount of intelligence and knowledge someone needs to become a lawyer.
Quote from: grumbler on September 29, 2009, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 03:59:12 AM
What does it have to do with lawyering skills? I just find this retarded and if this is extended to any application that can access the internet, as BB claims, then it is retarded as well. I am not making a legal argument - I am pretty aware that Americans are perfectly capable of having totally cretinous laws - I am making an argument about common sense.
I would say your common-sense skills are as ineffectual as your lawyering skills. Wikipedia almost certainly put that warning in because their lawyers advised them to do so (to limit liability). Common sense tells one to listen to their lawyer about the law (when it is a real lawyer, that is, not just someone on the internet pretending to be one).
Uhm, as a lawyer I can tell you that lawyers very often advise clients precautions that are quite against common sense. It all boils down to CYA - no lawyer wants to risk advising his client a sensible action, if there is a slightest risk it may be challenged by stupid authorities and courts - and have the client come back to the lawyer demanding damages. That is why you have "may contain nuts" warnings on packages of nuts.
Quote from: grumbler on September 29, 2009, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 03:59:12 AM
What does it have to do with lawyering skills? I just find this retarded and if this is extended to any application that can access the internet, as BB claims, then it is retarded as well. I am not making a legal argument - I am pretty aware that Americans are perfectly capable of having totally cretinous laws - I am making an argument about common sense.
I would say your common-sense skills are as ineffectual as your lawyering skills. Wikipedia almost certainly put that warning in because their lawyers advised them to do so (to limit liability). Common sense tells one to listen to their lawyer about the law (when it is a real lawyer, that is, not just someone on the internet pretending to be one).
Nah, I'm sure that they just put that warning there to annoy Marty.
Quote from: dps on September 29, 2009, 10:34:18 AM
Nah, I'm sure that they just put that warning there to annoy Marty.
Oh. :Embarrass: Shoulda realized that. Never mind, then.
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 09:13:35 AM
Uhm, as a lawyer I can tell you that lawyers very often advise clients precautions that are quite against common sense. It all boils down to CYA - no lawyer wants to risk advising his client a sensible action, if there is a slightest risk it may be challenged by stupid authorities and courts - and have the client come back to the lawyer demanding damages. That is why you have "may contain nuts" warnings on packages of nuts.
I advise my clients to take sensible actions all the time. That is why I have clients....
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 03:59:12 AM
What does it have to do with lawyering skills? I just find this retarded and if this is extended to any application that can access the internet, as BB claims, then it is retarded as well. I am not making a legal argument - I am pretty aware that Americans are perfectly capable of having totally cretinous laws - I am making an argument about common sense.
And you wonder why people dont take you seriously.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 29, 2009, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 09:13:35 AM
Uhm, as a lawyer I can tell you that lawyers very often advise clients precautions that are quite against common sense. It all boils down to CYA - no lawyer wants to risk advising his client a sensible action, if there is a slightest risk it may be challenged by stupid authorities and courts - and have the client come back to the lawyer demanding damages. That is why you have "may contain nuts" warnings on packages of nuts.
I advise my clients to take sensible actions all the time. That is why I have clients....
Where would you tell Hitler to strike in the 1942 summer offensive?
Quote from: The Brain on September 29, 2009, 01:15:54 PM
Where would you tell Hitler to strike in the 1942 summer offensive?
Directly between his legs in order to take out his one remaining testicle. Then I would advise he have someone shoot him, gas him and burn him all at the same time.
Good practical advice.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 29, 2009, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 29, 2009, 01:15:54 PM
Where would you tell Hitler to strike in the 1942 summer offensive?
Directly between his legs in order to take out his one remaining testicle. Then I would advise he have someone shoot him, gas him and burn him all at the same time.
Good practical advice.
A lawyer taking his marching orders from the ZOG. How original.
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 09:13:35 AM
That is why you have "may contain nuts" warnings on packages of nuts.
I appreciate that the wrapping on my starbuck's straw advises me not to use it with hot beverages.
Quote from: Martinus on September 29, 2009, 03:59:12 AM
What does it have to do with lawyering skills? I just find this retarded and if this is extended to any application that can access the internet, as BB claims, then it is retarded as well.
There was a story earlier this year about an iPhone app that had been developed to allow you to access public domain written works from the internet. It was denied approval due to potentially inappropriate content, and was ultimately approved with a similar warning and rating to what Marty described.
Why?
Because one of the public domain works it could access was the Kama Sutra. :lol: