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Title: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 08:42:26 PM
QuoteWASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration took its first steps to rein in the tobacco industry on Tuesday, implementing a ban on candy, clove and other flavored cigarettes.

The move, required by a law passed earlier this year giving the FDA greater power over tobacco products, aims to help prevent children and teenagers from smoking.

"Candy and fruit flavored cigarettes are a gateway for many children and young adults to become regular tobacco users," Dr. Lawrence Deyton, head of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, told reporters in a conference call.

In June, President Barack Obama signed legislation allowing the FDA to oversee the manufacturing and marketing of cigarettes and other tobacco products, including regulating ingredients and limiting advertising. The agency must also approve any new tobacco products.

Still, the bill excludes any immediate action on menthol, or mint, flavored cigarettes that are used by as many as 12 million Americans, including most African-American smokers. Lawmakers instead called on the FDA to study the issue.

It is not immediately clear how effective the ban will be or what impact it will have on smoking habits.

"Although it will take time for it to have a 100 percent effect ... it will have a dramatic effect on children and young women who are most likely to smoke these products," said Diana Zuckerman, president of the National Research Center for Women & Families.

Children who already smoke may switch to regular cigarettes, but many will be reluctant try smoking if products don't taste good, she said. "I think it does make it harder for companies to try to get away with anything," she added.

The ban in unlikely to affect U.S. tobacco companies such as Altria Group Inc's Philip Morris unit and Lorillard Inc's Lorillard Tobacco Co, which do not make flavored cigarettes.

But some advocates have already expressed concern that smaller companies will simply shift their attention to cigars, snuff and other tobacco products not covered by Tuesday's ban.

The Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, which supported the FDA's new oversight, said the nation's top distributor of clove-flavored cigarettes, California-based Kretek International Inc., now sells clove cigars that look and taste like its clove cigarettes.

Representatives for Kretek, which imports most of its products, could not be immediately reached. Star Scientific and other companies also make dissolvable smokeless tobacco products in various flavors.

FDA's Deyton said the agency would discuss other flavored products.

The FDA posted information about the ban on its website at http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/FlavoredTobacco/default.htm

(Editing by Steve Orlofsky)

They are going to ban cloves and menthols! :o :o :o

No need for alarm, folks. :Embarrass:
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Caliga on September 22, 2009, 08:43:50 PM
I like clove cigarettes. :ultra:  GODDAMN NANNY STATE.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Neil on September 22, 2009, 08:49:48 PM
They've banned candy cigarettes?

God, Americans are pussies.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 22, 2009, 08:49:48 PM
They've banned candy cigarettes?

God, Americans are pussies.
I think I was the last generation where they were readily available here. :weep:
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Sheilbh on September 22, 2009, 09:18:27 PM
Never heard of candy cigarettes - except for liquorice rizla.

Menthols in the UK are the preserve of the elderly (including my grandma).
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 09:20:56 PM
Hmm...wikipedia says that the law explicitly exempt menthols from flavor restrictions.

@Sheilbh - Menthols are the preserve of black people here.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 09:24:20 PM
QuoteThe Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

Can't we just let the decline in smoking continue its natural course, instead of wasting money on stupid billboards & faux-guerrilla tactic TV commercials?  Everyone knows smoking is bad for you.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 09:24:20 PM
Everyone knows smoking is bad for you.

Sort of like aging. :(
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Ideologue on September 22, 2009, 09:39:00 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 09:20:56 PM
Hmm...wikipedia says that the law explicitly exempt menthols from flavor restrictions.

@Sheilbh - Menthols are the preserve of black people here.
Untrue.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: sbr on September 22, 2009, 09:39:44 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 09:20:56 PM
Hmm...wikipedia says that the law explicitly exempt menthols from flavor restrictions.

@Sheilbh - Menthols are the preserve of black people here.

So does the article you posted.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 22, 2009, 09:39:44 PM
So does the article you posted.

I can't read properly when blinded by irrationality. :Embarrass:
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: DGuller on September 22, 2009, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 09:24:20 PM
QuoteThe Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

Can't we just let the decline in smoking continue its natural course, instead of wasting money on stupid billboards & faux-guerrilla tactic TV commercials?  Everyone knows smoking is bad for you.
I'm starting to think the same way.  Surely at some point this has to become counter-productive, and just trigger contrarianism in many people.  I'm not sure if we reached that point yet, but I'm starting to get very annoyed when I keep seeing gangrenous limbs all the time on TV.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 10:10:37 PM
Menthols? Oh that's a bold move, that is. wow. Tobacco must shaking like umm a leaf?
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Capetan Mihali on September 22, 2009, 10:12:46 PM
Cloves are the preserve of the pretentious/wannabes, at least beyond a passing smoke.

Menthols are definitely associated with the Black smoking culture, but I know plenty of gay men and lower-class white men who smoke them just as passionately as any African-American.

EDIT:  I'm a reformed Winston Lights smoker.  Now I go for whatever I can get on discount: USA Gold, Palermo, Sonoma, Gold Coast, Basics, USA, Doral.... :(
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: ulmont on September 22, 2009, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 09:20:56 PM
Hmm...wikipedia says that the law explicitly exempt menthols from flavor restrictions.

As does the article you posted.  :contract:
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: ulmont on September 22, 2009, 10:17:05 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on September 22, 2009, 10:12:46 PM
Menthols are definitely associated with the Black smoking culture, but I know plenty of gay men and lower-class white men who smoke them just as passionately as any African-American.

I used to smoke "Basic Menthols."  Talk about raw.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 10:19:52 PM
Quote from: ulmont on September 22, 2009, 10:15:56 PM
As does the article you posted.  :contract:

Oh I'm sorry but that's already been discussed, grandpa. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: ulmont on September 22, 2009, 10:37:19 PM
It was worth posting twice.  I have to stay in the list now, after all.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Josquius on September 23, 2009, 07:33:41 AM
Quote
Still, the bill excludes any immediate action on menthol, or mint, flavored cigarettes that are used by as many as 12 million Americans, including most African-American smokers. Lawmakers instead called on the FDA to study the issue.
:blink:
WTF?
:lol:
Weird, black culture tend to be big on the 'tough' thing yet there they are puffing menthols.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Neil on September 23, 2009, 08:22:21 AM
Quote from: Tyr on September 23, 2009, 07:33:41 AM
Quote
Still, the bill excludes any immediate action on menthol, or mint, flavored cigarettes that are used by as many as 12 million Americans, including most African-American smokers. Lawmakers instead called on the FDA to study the issue.
:blink:
WTF?
:lol:
Weird, black culture tend to be big on the 'tough' thing yet there they are puffing menthols.
It's also very big on being illogical and stupid.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Strix on September 23, 2009, 08:32:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 09:24:20 PM
QuoteThe Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

Can't we just let the decline in smoking continue its natural course, instead of wasting money on stupid billboards & faux-guerrilla tactic TV commercials?  Everyone knows smoking is bad for you.

Isn't there an increase in smoking among teens and younger adults?
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Viking on September 23, 2009, 08:41:33 AM
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This stuff doesn't even smokeflavour the air...
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Brazen on September 23, 2009, 08:43:54 AM
The only flavoured tobacco I'm aware of here is shisha pipes.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: C.C.R. on September 23, 2009, 09:10:06 AM
[eddie murphy]

That's a Persian rug.  It's from Persia.  What is this shit here?  Hold up!  Hey, who's been
putting out their Kools on my floor?  Who has been putting out their Kools on my floor?

[/eddie murphy]
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: garbon on September 23, 2009, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Tyr on September 23, 2009, 07:33:41 AM
:blink:
WTF?
:lol:
Weird, black culture tend to be big on the 'tough' thing yet there they are puffing menthols.

Oh wow, you can't rely on your precious little stereotypes. :cry:
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Ideologue on September 23, 2009, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on September 22, 2009, 10:12:46 PM
Cloves are the preserve of the pretentious/wannabes, at least beyond a passing smoke.

Menthols are definitely associated with the Black smoking culture, but I know plenty of gay men and lower-class white men who smoke them just as passionately as any African-American.
Well FU, Mihali. :lol:  Maybe I'm just alive with pleasure.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 23, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
Something occurred to me. For the US manufacturers, flavored cigarettes have to be a laughably small portion of their business---except maybe for menthols. The other stuff like clove and whatnot are more or less dominated by foreign companies like Djarum. How much did the tobacco companies fight this, anyway?
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: DGuller on September 23, 2009, 02:39:59 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 23, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
Something occurred to me. For the US manufacturers, flavored cigarettes have to be a laughably small portion of their business---except maybe for menthols. The other stuff like clove and whatnot are more or less dominated by foreign companies like Djarum. How much did the tobacco companies fight this, anyway?
Hmm, interesting point.  It does stink of hidden protectionism.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: saskganesh on September 23, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
its an unnecessary form of protectionism, as American smokes must have 75% domestic product.  unless they have recently changed that.

American tobacco companies are likely not fighting hard as they have huge growth in both smokers and production in the ROTW.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Josquius on September 23, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 23, 2009, 09:10:35 AM

Oh wow, you can't rely on your precious little stereotypes. :cry:
That would be the answer to a blackguy doing menthols.
That most of them do just adds to the steryotype but makes it very freaky.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Warspite on September 23, 2009, 03:34:43 PM
So this is bad news for shisha smokers, isn't it.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: DGuller on September 23, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on September 23, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
its an unnecessary form of protectionism, as American smokes must have 75% domestic product.  unless they have recently changed that.
When has protectionism ever been necessary?  Besides, in an industry worth many tens of billions in revenue every year, a couple of percentage points here and there adds up to some serious coin.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Sheilbh on September 23, 2009, 03:47:59 PM
Quote from: Brazen on September 23, 2009, 08:43:54 AM
The only flavoured tobacco I'm aware of here is shisha pipes.
Hadn't thought of that.  I love Shisha.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Malthus on September 23, 2009, 03:51:11 PM
Are they going to ban all those godawful flavours of pipe tobacco?

Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: saskganesh on September 23, 2009, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 23, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on September 23, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
its an unnecessary form of protectionism, as American smokes must have 75% domestic product.  unless they have recently changed that.
When has protectionism ever been necessary? 

because in this case, domestic producers benefit, creating social stability and prosperity in rural communities, also leading to votes for the politician who acts to protects domestic industries. so some people may think those are all good things.

Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Neil on September 23, 2009, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2009, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on September 22, 2009, 10:12:46 PM
Cloves are the preserve of the pretentious/wannabes, at least beyond a passing smoke.

Menthols are definitely associated with the Black smoking culture, but I know plenty of gay men and lower-class white men who smoke them just as passionately as any African-American.
Well FU, Mihali. :lol:  Maybe I'm just alive with pleasure.
You're alright, since you're still lower-class.

Once you graduate from law school and start practicing, you're either going to have to smoke like a man or go faggot.

I know which one Grallon's hoping that you choose.
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 23, 2009, 03:51:11 PM
Are they going to ban all those godawful flavours of pipe tobacco?



You got a problem with Chocolate Cherry Cheesecake custom blend?  :D
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: garbon on September 23, 2009, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: Tyr on September 23, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
That would be the answer to a blackguy doing menthols.
That most of them do just adds to the steryotype but makes it very freaky.

It adds to the stereotype that black people engage in thug culture?
Title: Re: FDA, in first tobacco action, bans flavors
Post by: Malthus on September 24, 2009, 07:54:42 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 23, 2009, 03:51:11 PM
Are they going to ban all those godawful flavours of pipe tobacco?



You got a problem with Chocolate Cherry Cheesecake custom blend?  :D
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