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Title: The Beatles
Post by: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
Wish I had a piece of this action. Does Wacko still own the rights? Not sure how that works.

The Beatles have broken multiple chart records around the world following the September 9, 2009 (9-9-09) CD release of their digitally re-mastered catalogue.

In the major music markets of North America, Japan and the UK, consumers purchased more than 2.25 million copies of The Beatles' re-mastered albums, individually and in two multiple-CD boxed sets, one in stereo and one in mono, during the first five days of release.

Canada: The Beatles have 15 of the top 20 catalogue titles including all of the top 11. The stereo boxed set is a new entry in the current albums chart at number four, the highest debut for a boxed set in Canada since Nielsen SoundScan started tracking sales. Cumulative sales across all titles were just under 160,000 over the counter.


Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: saskganesh on September 22, 2009, 04:42:01 PM
Jackson merged the catalogue with Sony for cash, then took a loan, giving Sony the option to later increase their stake to 75%. I do not know if they have exercised that.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
Does Wacko still own the rights? Not sure how that works.

I can state with full confidence that Michael Jackson no longer owns the rights to the Beatles. :P
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: citizen k on September 22, 2009, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
Does Wacko still own the rights? Not sure how that works.

I can state with full confidence that Michael Jackson no longer owns the rights to the Beatles. :P

Does that include his estate ?
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 04:56:56 PM
Horrible.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: citizen k on September 22, 2009, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
Does Wacko still own the rights? Not sure how that works.

I can state with full confidence that Michael Jackson no longer owns the rights to the Beatles. :P

Does that include his estate ?

I didn't say anything about his estate... :shifty:
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: citizen k on September 22, 2009, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
Does Wacko still own the rights? Not sure how that works.

I can state with full confidence that Michael Jackson no longer owns the rights to the Beatles. :P

Does that include his estate ?

I didn't say anything about his estate... :shifty:

Lawyers.....always about the fine print. :P
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Agelastus on September 22, 2009, 05:37:29 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: citizen k on September 22, 2009, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 04:22:46 PM
Does Wacko still own the rights? Not sure how that works.

I can state with full confidence that Michael Jackson no longer owns the rights to the Beatles. :P

Does that include his estate ?

I didn't say anything about his estate... :shifty:

Lawyers.....always about the fine print. :P

That's where the money is...  :)
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: The Minsky Moment on September 22, 2009, 05:53:36 PM
Jackson's estate does not own any rights in the Beatles recordings either.

His family trust does own a 50% stake in a company called Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, a New York-based limited liability company.  That company owns the rights to the recordings.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 06:30:47 PM
So does Paul, Ringo and various estates get anything out of this? I'm never quite sure how royalties and all that stuff works.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 06:30:47 PM
So does Paul, Ringo and various estates get anything out of this? I'm never quite sure how royalties and all that stuff works.

They get some of it.

As I understand it there are different kinds of rights.  In particular there are publishing rights (the kind MJ bought), and performance rights (which the Beatles members still control).

Snopes has a good summary (which I double-checked to make sure I had the facts right :blush:).

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/jackson.asp
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
I've listened to some of those new cds. very nice remasters. I will buy a few select albums from this release. Never trust anyone who dislikes the Beatles (as a group, individuals are fair game)
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Josephus on September 22, 2009, 09:29:46 PM
Thanks for that link BB. Makes sense.

Buddha, yeah I have no interest in the whole boxed set, but Abbey Road, Rubber Soul and possibly Pepper sound interesting to me.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 09:32:06 PM
hmmm
White Album
Rubber Soul
Abbey Road

are certain for me. I can be a sucker though when prices are good on stuff like this.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
Never trust anyone who dislikes the Beatles

I've never said that I should be trusted. :goodboy:
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
Never trust anyone who dislikes the Beatles

I've never said that I should be trusted. :goodboy:

and I don't think anyone has ever accused you of it, either. :p
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: garbon on September 22, 2009, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
and I don't think anyone has ever accused you of it, either. :p

:hugs:

Anyway I like several songs by the Beatles, I just don't like them when they sing them.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 10:04:10 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
and I don't think anyone has ever accused you of it, either. :p

:hugs:

Anyway I like several songs by the Beatles, I just don't like them when they sing them.

That's one of the best things about the Beatles, their songs are infinitely remakeable. They're a renewable resource more than they are a band at this point. Still Awesome imho though.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 10:19:59 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
I've listened to some of those new cds. very nice remasters. I will buy a few select albums from this release. Never trust anyone who dislikes the Beatles (as a group, individuals are fair game)

Target has about as good a deal on these as you will see, I think.  The single-CD albums are marked down to $11.98 and you get a $5 gift card if you buy 2.  I bought Revolver and Abbey Road and immediately ripped them in WMA lossless.  Played them from my Zune over my receiver in 5-channel stereo & they sounded amazing :)

I think I might go back for The White Album and Past Masters. My brother is going to pick up some CDs; I hope he buys some I don't have :ph34r:

Beatles Rock Band is a pretty solid game as well.  You can tell they put a buttload of effort into it.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 10:02:24 PM
Anyway I like several songs by the Beatles, I just don't like them when they sing them.

:rolleyes:

Well, I guess I sort of have a similar quirk: I don't like anything John Lennon did outside of the Beatles.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2009, 10:40:44 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
Never trust anyone who dislikes the Beatles

I've never said that I should be trusted. :goodboy:

Garbon's more of a Herman's Hermits fan.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 23, 2009, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2009, 10:40:44 PM
Garbon's more of a Herman's Hermits fan.

He's made it clear enough it ain't no good to beg?
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 02:33:32 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 10:19:59 PM

Beatles Rock Band is a pretty solid game as well.  You can tell they put a buttload of effort into it.


What platforms did they release it for?

Kids have GTWT for Wii, but frankly the song list for that game is appalingly bad.. esp. for kids, So I was curious to see if I could get some additional songs.

V
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Ed Anger on September 23, 2009, 06:55:45 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 10:02:24 PM
Anyway I like several songs by the Beatles, I just don't like them when they sing them.

:rolleyes:

Well, I guess I sort of have a similar quirk: I don't like anything John Lennon did outside of the Beatles.

FBI should have raped the fucker and tossed him out of the country.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: The Larch on September 23, 2009, 06:59:57 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 22, 2009, 10:02:24 PM
Anyway I like several songs by the Beatles, I just don't like them when they sing them.

:rolleyes:

Well, I guess I sort of have a similar quirk: I don't like anything John Lennon did outside of the Beatles.

Imagine? Give peace a chance? Jealous guy? Woman? Not even those?
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Josephus on September 23, 2009, 07:09:15 AM
Jealous Guy is right up there in my Top 10 Songs Evvvah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lLs2dC9NaE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lLs2dC9NaE)
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 08:44:58 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 02:33:32 AM
What platforms did they release it for?

Kids have GTWT for Wii, but frankly the song list for that game is appalingly bad.. esp. for kids, So I was curious to see if I could get some additional songs.

V

Xbox 360, PS3, & Wii.  Surprisingly, it seems like kids are playing this game; it's selling like crazy.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 08:46:37 AM
Quote from: The Larch on September 23, 2009, 06:59:57 AM
Imagine? Give peace a chance? Jealous guy? Woman? Not even those?

No, sir.  "Imagine" in particular grates on me, but that probably shouldn't surprise anyone ;)
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 08:50:51 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 08:44:58 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 02:33:32 AM
What platforms did they release it for?

Kids have GTWT for Wii, but frankly the song list for that game is appalingly bad.. esp. for kids, So I was curious to see if I could get some additional songs.

V

Xbox 360, PS3, & Wii.  Surprisingly, it seems like kids are playing this game; it's selling like crazy.

Cool, so if i buy the box set i can get the Wii game?  :mmm:

V
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 08:50:51 AM
Cool, so if i buy the box set i can get the Wii game?  :mmm:

V

I guess you can...  one is not necessarily dependent on the other, though :P
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 09:08:17 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 08:50:51 AM
Cool, so if i buy the box set i can get the Wii game?  :mmm:

V

I guess you can...  one is not necessarily dependent on the other, though :P

I can only find box or game.. not a package :(

The box would be a great excuse to get the game ;)

V
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: garbon on September 23, 2009, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2009, 10:40:44 PM
Garbon's more of a Herman's Hermits fan.

I prefer my Brits not to invade.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
Ah.. the game is not a guitar hero game? So the GH gear will not work or??

V
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Savonarola on September 23, 2009, 09:28:49 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 22, 2009, 10:19:59 PM
Beatles Rock Band is a pretty solid game as well.  You can tell they put a buttload of effort into it.

Spectrum just had an article on how they made it:

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/gaming/the-making-of-the-beatles-rock-band (http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/gaming/the-making-of-the-beatles-rock-band)

Most of the Beatles early recordings were on a four track; so they had to use the sort of filters the police use to isolate voices in order to take out individual insturments and vocals.  Also they had to please Ringo, Paul and Yoko.

Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: The Larch on September 23, 2009, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 08:46:37 AM
Quote from: The Larch on September 23, 2009, 06:59:57 AM
Imagine? Give peace a chance? Jealous guy? Woman? Not even those?

No, sir.  "Imagine" in particular grates on me, but that probably shouldn't surprise anyone ;)

I should have guessed that imagining is probably un-germanic and/or dangerously liberal for you.  :P
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: ulmont on September 23, 2009, 09:50:39 AM
Quote from: The Larch on September 23, 2009, 06:59:57 AM
Imagine? Give peace a chance? Jealous guy? Woman? Not even those?

How could you skip "Watching the Wheels"?   :mad:
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 09:08:17 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2009, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 08:50:51 AM
Cool, so if i buy the box set i can get the Wii game?  :mmm:

V

I guess you can...  one is not necessarily dependent on the other, though :P

I can only find box or game.. not a package :(

The box would be a great excuse to get the game ;)

V

Oops, I thought you were talking about the music CD box set.  The bundle with all the instruments does include the game.

I'm not sure what the compatibility is for the Wii version, but on the 360 I'm able to use both my Guitar Hero guitars and the Microsoft-branded microphone with the game.

This chart should help you: http://www.rockband.com/compatibility
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: The Minsky Moment on September 23, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2009, 06:37:48 PM
Snopes has a good summary (which I double-checked to make sure I had the facts right :blush:).

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/jackson.asp

beatles should have put some takeover defenses in place.  :contract:
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Caliga on September 23, 2009, 11:11:39 AM
Maybe I should get this for my 360 or Wii.  Princesca and I like to sing songs together.  We're particularly good at harmonizing to "Cotton Fields" by CCR. :smoke:
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: derspiess on September 24, 2009, 11:28:29 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2009, 11:11:39 AM
Maybe I should get this for my 360 or Wii.  Princesca and I like to sing songs together.  We're particularly good at harmonizing to "Cotton Fields" by CCR. :smoke:

Then buy Lips for the 360 if you can find a deal. It has some CCR songs you can download.  It got so-so reviews but it's a fun party game.  Of course, Beatles Rock Band is also fun to play with multiple people (you can just sing if you don't want to play any instruments).

My wife will play the Lips game with me sometimes, but she absolutely hates when I play any Rock Band or Guitar Hero game.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: katmai on September 24, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
Ah.. the game is not a guitar hero game? So the GH gear will not work or??

V

No the controllers for most of GH and Rockband's previous versions will work with the Beatles edition.
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Josquius on September 24, 2009, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 24, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
Ah.. the game is not a guitar hero game? So the GH gear will not work or??

V

No the controllers for most of GH and Rockband's previous versions will work with the Beatles edition.
Damn money grabbing gits <_<
Understandable for GH and Rockband not allowing their rivals controllers to be used but their own games?
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Barrister on September 24, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: Tyr on September 24, 2009, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 24, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
Ah.. the game is not a guitar hero game? So the GH gear will not work or??

V

No the controllers for most of GH and Rockband's previous versions will work with the Beatles edition.
Damn money grabbing gits <_<
Understandable for GH and Rockband not allowing their rivals controllers to be used but their own games?

Your reading comprehension has failed you. :console:
Title: Re: The Beatles
Post by: Josquius on September 24, 2009, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 24, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: Tyr on September 24, 2009, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 24, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 23, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
Ah.. the game is not a guitar hero game? So the GH gear will not work or??

V

No the controllers for most of GH and Rockband's previous versions will work with the Beatles edition.
Damn money grabbing gits <_<
Understandable for GH and Rockband not allowing their rivals controllers to be used but their own games?

Your reading comprehension has failed you. :console:
err.....that it totally has. Why did I see a not in there? :blush: