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Title: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:16:33 AM
Should I  buy rossetta stone?
500 bucks per language.

Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Jaron on August 02, 2009, 01:19:23 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: citizen k on August 02, 2009, 01:21:17 AM
Use Babel fish.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:23:48 AM
http://www.rosettastone.com/personal/demo

Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:24:21 AM
Quote from: citizen k on August 02, 2009, 01:21:17 AM
Use Babel fish.


Is that a learning program?

Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: DGuller on August 02, 2009, 01:39:36 AM
Quote from: citizen k on August 02, 2009, 01:21:17 AM
Use Babel fish.
Judging by Siegy's posts, he already uses it.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Syt on August 02, 2009, 02:06:20 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:16:33 AM
Should I  buy rossetta stone?
500 bucks per language.

They make a lot of tv ads over here. No idea if they're any good, though. That said, additional languages are always a boon; however, I'd pick one you can use relatively frequently or plan to keep up (reading books/watching movies), because knowledge of languages can atrophy quickly (I barely remember enough of my French to order food and drink).
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Jaron on August 02, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Arent you like 40?

I think its a bit late to be picking up new languages.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Siege on August 02, 2009, 02:21:24 AM
Quote from: Jaron on August 02, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Arent you like 40?

I think its a bit late to be picking up new languages.

I'm only 38.

And I need to get my arabic right.
The Long War is going to last a hell of a lot longer.


Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Martinus on August 02, 2009, 03:24:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 02, 2009, 02:21:24 AM
Quote from: Jaron on August 02, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Arent you like 40?

I think its a bit late to be picking up new languages.

I'm only 38.

And I need to get my arabic right.
The Long War is going to last a hell of a lot longer.

What's up with all you closeted gays in the military learning Arabic?

Is this some fantasy or something?
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Jaron on August 02, 2009, 03:36:14 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 02, 2009, 03:24:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 02, 2009, 02:21:24 AM
Quote from: Jaron on August 02, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Arent you like 40?

I think its a bit late to be picking up new languages.

I'm only 38.

And I need to get my arabic right.
The Long War is going to last a hell of a lot longer.

What's up with all you closeted gays in the military learning Arabic?

Is this some fantasy or something?

He has the ropes in his closet waiting to go once he learns how to pronounce those words. :P
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Tonitrus on August 02, 2009, 03:41:00 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:16:33 AM
Should I  buy rossetta stone?
500 bucks per language.

Pay $500 for it?  No.

http://usarmy.rosettastone.com/

QuoteAll Active Army, Army National Guard, Army Reserve, DA Civilians, USMA or ROTC contracted cadets can go to www.us.army.mil and click on Self Service, My Education to access Army e-Learning where you'll have access to Rosetta Stone® courses in thirty languages.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Tamas on August 02, 2009, 03:48:13 AM
My sis bought the Japanese beginner CD of theirs several years ago. It looked to be useful.
One of the earliest sentences however was "the boy is under the table" Fucking perverted japs.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Razgovory on August 02, 2009, 03:49:17 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 02, 2009, 03:48:13 AM
My sis bought the Japanese beginner CD of theirs several years ago. It looked to be useful.
One of the earliest sentences however was "the boy is under the table" Fucking perverted japs.

Can she speak Japanese?
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 02, 2009, 03:56:04 AM
Teh State Department uses it, supposed to be pretty good. 
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Razgovory on August 02, 2009, 03:56:47 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 02, 2009, 03:56:04 AM
Teh State Department uses it, supposed to be pretty good.
And they've never screwed up anything!
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Tamas on August 02, 2009, 04:18:10 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 02, 2009, 03:49:17 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 02, 2009, 03:48:13 AM
My sis bought the Japanese beginner CD of theirs several years ago. It looked to be useful.
One of the earliest sentences however was "the boy is under the table" Fucking perverted japs.

Can she speak Japanese?

no she got bored with it pretty fast.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Razgovory on August 02, 2009, 05:23:06 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 02, 2009, 04:18:10 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 02, 2009, 03:49:17 AM
Quote from: Tamas on August 02, 2009, 03:48:13 AM
My sis bought the Japanese beginner CD of theirs several years ago. It looked to be useful.
One of the earliest sentences however was "the boy is under the table" Fucking perverted japs.

Can she speak Japanese?

no she got bored with it pretty fast.

That doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Lettow77 on August 02, 2009, 07:46:05 AM
A friend of mine is teaching himself swedish through it. Very effective, allegedly.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Razgovory on August 02, 2009, 07:49:33 AM
But all Swedes speak English!
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Josquius on August 02, 2009, 07:55:45 AM
No.
It just teaches you random bits of vocabulary. You can do better on your own. I'm friends with a few people really into languages and Rosetta Stone is quite a running joke in their circles.


QuoteMy sis bought the Japanese beginner CD of theirs several years ago. It looked to be useful.
One of the earliest sentences however was "the boy is under the table" Fucking perverted japs.
Standard language learning fair despite the sillyness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUd1BhokZq4&feature=related (from 1 min)
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Razgovory on August 02, 2009, 08:42:40 AM
That's my favorite comedy routine.  I saw that the night before I went to Europe.  I did indeed see the guys on mopeds saying chao.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Camerus on August 02, 2009, 11:08:13 AM
I've studied a bunch of languages on my own, but I don't tend to place much value in the CD's.  I've never seen one that is as comprehensive and straight-forward as a good introductory or intermediate textbook.  That being said, I've never tried RS.

And in any event, learning a language (especially in the initial phases) requires a lot of memory work and self discipline no matter how you approach it, so might as well save your cash and drop $30 for a textbook instead.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Grey Fox on August 02, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on August 02, 2009, 03:41:00 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:16:33 AM
Should I  buy rossetta stone?
500 bucks per language.

Pay $500 for it?  No.

http://usarmy.rosettastone.com/

QuoteAll Active Army, Army National Guard, Army Reserve, DA Civilians, USMA or ROTC contracted cadets can go to www.us.army.mil and click on Self Service, My Education to access Army e-Learning where you'll have access to Rosetta Stone® courses in thirty languages.

This.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: The Brain on August 02, 2009, 12:16:41 PM
Even "da civilians" get it free? Cool.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 02, 2009, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 02, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on August 02, 2009, 03:41:00 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:16:33 AM
Should I  buy rossetta stone?
500 bucks per language.

Pay $500 for it?  No.

http://usarmy.rosettastone.com/

QuoteAll Active Army, Army National Guard, Army Reserve, DA Civilians, USMA or ROTC contracted cadets can go to www.us.army.mil and click on Self Service, My Education to access Army e-Learning where you'll have access to Rosetta Stone® courses in thirty languages.

This.


Yeah, what a great idea.  :)



Quote
"I have been using Rosetta's Pashto product (online Army version) here in Afghanistan ... your product has helped me immensely with everyday law and order operations as well as crowd control, not to mention public relations.  Thank you for such a wonderful product..."
- SGT M., 272nd Military Police,
Kandahar, Afghanistan
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Savonarola on August 02, 2009, 02:47:32 PM
I had the French edition; I thought it was a pretty good review of a language, but I don't know how good it would be starting cold.

Unfortunately the discs got jacked along with my laptop.  Somewhere in Detroit there's a homeless man who speaks fluent French.   :(
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: FunkMonk on August 02, 2009, 06:23:12 PM
I've been doing the French edition. It can help someone get a decent grasp of the language and help in conversation. I think it would work better with a supplemental book that goes into greater detail.

Something like this is perfect for a soldier deploying overseas. You don't need to learn every little detail of the language, just enough to get by in a conversation and understand what they're saying. Even a little bit can go far over there.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Admiral Yi on August 02, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
When are we scheduled to occupy France?
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: FunkMonk on August 02, 2009, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 02, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
When are we scheduled to occupy France?
:weep:
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: DGuller on August 02, 2009, 08:10:18 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 02, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
When are we scheduled to occupy France?
Two days after we are scheduled to declare war on it.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Syt on August 02, 2009, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: Armyknife on August 02, 2009, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:16:33 AM
Should I  buy rossetta stone?
500 bucks per language.

You should try this first:

http://www.learn-hebrew.co.il/English-Hebrew/Hebrew_alphabet.htm (http://www.learn-hebrew.co.il/English-Hebrew/Hebrew_alphabet.htm)

Hebrew is a strange language:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.learn-hebrew.co.il%2Fimages%2Fwords%2Fen%2F002%2Fheen00201.gif&hash=be32488837bcd8a8f9b70c7a52b6a4be27fa4373)
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Valmy on August 03, 2009, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 02, 2009, 03:24:47 AM
What's up with all you closeted gays in the military learning Arabic?

Is this some fantasy or something?

A sense of adventure.  Going into a country is always more exciting when you could be hanged for being gay at any moment.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Valmy on August 03, 2009, 12:03:39 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 02, 2009, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 02, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
When are we scheduled to occupy France?
:weep:

Lots of countries in Africa speak French.  Those are shitty enough places to eventually send our soldiers.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Siege on August 03, 2009, 01:08:13 AM
Quote from: Armyknife on August 02, 2009, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 02, 2009, 01:16:33 AM
Should I  buy rossetta stone?
500 bucks per language.

You should try this first:

http://www.learn-hebrew.co.il/English-Hebrew/Hebrew_alphabet.htm (http://www.learn-hebrew.co.il/English-Hebrew/Hebrew_alphabet.htm)

Funny.

Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Siege on August 03, 2009, 01:08:45 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 02, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
When are we scheduled to occupy France?

Hopefully soon enough.

Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Siege on August 03, 2009, 01:09:34 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 03, 2009, 12:03:39 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 02, 2009, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 02, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
When are we scheduled to occupy France?
:weep:

Lots of countries in Africa speak French.  Those are shitty enough places to eventually send our soldiers.

That would suck.

Hell no, we wont go!

Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: grumbler on August 03, 2009, 08:45:40 AM
Quote from: Tyr on August 02, 2009, 07:55:45 AM
I'm friends with a few people really into languages and Rosetta Stone is quite a running joke in their circles.
I'm friends with people who are really into teaching languages and the attitude of your friends is quite a running joke in their circles.  Our school (like many others) uses RS to teach languages for whom we cannot find a teacher.  The program works on several levels and uses a variety of teaching/learning styles, so almost every kid will get taught at least a bit in the style he/she is most able to use.  Students still need a native speaker to practice with (our students have assigned tutors who speak with them over the phone) but the results are good:  we have had students go from three years of RS German to an intermediate-level college course in their senior year of HS and do very well.
Title: Re: Rossetta Stone?
Post by: Caliga on August 03, 2009, 09:01:22 AM
 :huh: Yeah, I've only ever heard excellent things about Rosetta Stone.