Well, it seems odd we don't have a thread this year.
It's been a hell of a year, and Michigans head coach punching another coach in the head after a game because he was mad that the other team called a timeout late in the game seems like something worth noting.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2022/02/20/michigan-basketball-coach-juwan-howard-should-fired-finley/6873261001/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR15MyizwzjkS-40FLVKdrSOEjrHcbbeuoCknCd3AOmm8JERZ3asC8c2quU#Echobox=1645395506 (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2022/02/20/michigan-basketball-coach-juwan-howard-should-fired-finley/6873261001/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR15MyizwzjkS-40FLVKdrSOEjrHcbbeuoCknCd3AOmm8JERZ3asC8c2quU#Echobox=1645395506)
That seems like a fireable offense, at least it ought to be at Michigan, which is well known for being a pretty class institution that actually cares about sportsmanship and such.
My Wildcats are freaking #2 in the country in Tommy Lloyds first year as a head coach. If he doesn't get Coach of the Year, there is some kind of serious injustice in the world!
Obviously I watched this because it is all about Arizona, but this is really, really cool if you are any kind of basketball fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR3PIcvuHSc
"The Fastest Team in the Country"
Quote from: Berkut on February 21, 2022, 01:01:24 PM
Well, it seems odd we don't have a thread this year.
It's been a hell of a year, and Michigans head coach punching another coach in the head after a game because he was mad that the other team called a timeout late in the game seems like something worth noting.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2022/02/20/michigan-basketball-coach-juwan-howard-should-fired-finley/6873261001/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR15MyizwzjkS-40FLVKdrSOEjrHcbbeuoCknCd3AOmm8JERZ3asC8c2quU#Echobox=1645395506 (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2022/02/20/michigan-basketball-coach-juwan-howard-should-fired-finley/6873261001/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR15MyizwzjkS-40FLVKdrSOEjrHcbbeuoCknCd3AOmm8JERZ3asC8c2quU#Echobox=1645395506)
That seems like a fireable offense, at least it ought to be at Michigan, which is well known for being a pretty class institution that actually cares about sportsmanship and such.
My Wildcats are freaking #2 in the country in Tommy Lloyds first year as a head coach. If he doesn't get Coach of the Year, there is some kind of serious injustice in the world!
Michigan isn't going to fire Howard over this, but I'd be surprised to see coach again in the five remaining games of the season. There will be some Wisconsin suspensions as well.
I sure would like to know what Joe Krabbenhoft said that precipitated the slap (and it was open-handed, so not a punch). You can see on the video that even the cop trying to break things up was shocked. If he had dropped the N-bomb, we'd already know it. Nothing can excuse Howard's behavior though.
Interestingly, none of the Wisconsin coaches who stuck and manhandled Michigan players were even mentioned in the conference or school punishments. In fact, the Wisconsin AD commended their behavior.
Howard suspended for the rest of the regular season, as I predicted. He also (finally) made a full apology. Wisconsin head coach Greg Gard, whose assault on Howard started the ruckus, fined $10,000 (in all fairness, though, I don't think he had malicious intent when he stepped in front of Howard and grabbed him, but he should have known that grabbing a guy that's mad at you isn't wise).
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I really don't want to get into a big argument about what happened with Howard. It's not interesting to me, really.
I will note that from my perspective, as a non-Michigan fan who likes Michigan (a mini-fan? Secondary fan?), them keeping him as their coach severely damages the brand that makes them attractive to me, and leave it at that.
And for the record, I could not care less about Wisconsin and Gard. Hell I could not have told you who the coach was at Wisconsin before this.
And I *like* Michigan. They are my favorite non-Pac12 program in the country in both football and basketball.
But if they keep Howard, I will be rooting against them. What an asshole.
He needs to be fired. He attacked another coach.
Quote from: Berkut on February 21, 2022, 04:22:00 PM
Obviously I watched this because it is all about Arizona, but this is really, really cool if you are any kind of basketball fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR3PIcvuHSc
"The Fastest Team in the Country"
Anyone else watch this?
I really did find it fascinating. As a basketball official, I am really intrigued by basketball strategy, and a video like this I find super insightful.
For me, football strategy is very intuitive. I am not a coach, but mostly I can tell what teams and coaches are trying to do, and can recognize the football strategy in a formation, play, mis-direction, etc., etc.
I do not have that intuitive grasp for basketball at all. About 70% if what this video was talking about I never would have recognized as a fan beyond "Arizona has really tall players, and they love to run and fast break and are really damn good at it!"
Quote from: Berkut on February 22, 2022, 10:53:18 AM
And for the record, I could not care less about Wisconsin and Gard. Hell I could not have told you who the coach was at Wisconsin before this.
And I *like* Michigan. They are my favorite non-Pac12 program in the country in both football and basketball.
But if they keep Howard, I will be rooting against them. What an asshole.
He needs to be fired. He attacked another coach.
Well, he's not going to be fired, so I guess you can root for whom you want. Yes, it was an asshole move, but that doesn't make him an asshole. He's actually a very unselfish leader who came back to coach at his alma mater because he wanted to give Michigan players the same care and love he got as a player there. He does need to get some professional anger management help, though. He had a hothead moment at Maryland last year, so this wasn't a totally isolated incident.
I don't expect anyone to care about how I root for, of course.
And I know that I am not typical in how I tolerate what I see as lacking in character or sportsmanship when it comes to athletics, and college sports. Overall my view is that most schools do not care nearly enough about those things, and most schools just pay lip service to them, and if Charles Manson could get them a couple more wins, why, that is an acceptable price to pay.
But that is WHY I like Michigan! I mean, I like that they have this idea of being about more then just winning. Maybe it is all a marketing myth, but there is a reason I like them instead of Texas or some damn SEC team.
I don't doubt that Howard is a great guy in a lot of ways. But I bet Bobby Knight was a great guy in a lot of ways as well.
So my point is just that I think Michigan has a brand that they ought to care about, and shit like this is not just not aligned with that brand, it is exactly the opposite of it.
But yeah, I don't expect Michigan or Michigan fans to give two shits about what I think, except that I might represent the perception of their national brand being something different from all the other schools out there...
Quote from: grumbler on February 22, 2022, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 22, 2022, 10:53:18 AM
And for the record, I could not care less about Wisconsin and Gard. Hell I could not have told you who the coach was at Wisconsin before this.
And I *like* Michigan. They are my favorite non-Pac12 program in the country in both football and basketball.
But if they keep Howard, I will be rooting against them. What an asshole.
He needs to be fired. He attacked another coach.
Well, he's not going to be fired, so I guess you can root for whom you want. Yes, it was an asshole move, but that doesn't make him an asshole. He's actually a very unselfish leader who came back to coach at his alma mater because he wanted to give Michigan players the same care and love he got as a player there. He does need to get some professional anger management help, though. He had a hothead moment at Maryland last year, so this wasn't a totally isolated incident.
There is a lot to like about Howard. Glad they are going to give him a chance to learn how to channel anger when it erupts. On the court there was an easy outlet but not as a coach - whole different skill set.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 22, 2022, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 22, 2022, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 22, 2022, 10:53:18 AM
And for the record, I could not care less about Wisconsin and Gard. Hell I could not have told you who the coach was at Wisconsin before this.
And I *like* Michigan. They are my favorite non-Pac12 program in the country in both football and basketball.
But if they keep Howard, I will be rooting against them. What an asshole.
He needs to be fired. He attacked another coach.
Well, he's not going to be fired, so I guess you can root for whom you want. Yes, it was an asshole move, but that doesn't make him an asshole. He's actually a very unselfish leader who came back to coach at his alma mater because he wanted to give Michigan players the same care and love he got as a player there. He does need to get some professional anger management help, though. He had a hothead moment at Maryland last year, so this wasn't a totally isolated incident.
There is a lot to like about Howard. Glad they are going to give him a chance to learn how to channel anger when it erupts. On the court there was an easy outlet but not as a coach - whole different skill set.
Agreed. It's not like Howard is totally corrupt like Sean Miller was. And Miller got 12 years of the blind eye. No one who supported him can say anything about "lacking in character or sportsmanship."
:rolleyes:
And I did not support Miller. I thought he should have been fired when the first ESPN story broke, assuming the internal investigation actually supported the claims ESPN was making.
Then it turned out that those claims did not seem to be supported, so he came back.
Since then, I've been decidedly ambivalent about him being retained. Best case scenario he had some assistants doing some shady shit he wasn't aware of, but should have been aware of.
Worst case he set up the system to give himself plausible deniability to stuff he knew perfectly well was going on in broad terms.
Either way, if I was in charge I would have fired him a long time ago. College athletics ought to be about more then just winning, and there was enough stink around the Ayton situation that the coach should have been shown the door.
Going to have to try a bit harder to pick that fight grumbler.
Ignoring, of course, the fact that no matter what Sean Miller did or did not do, attacking another coach after a game isn't excusable. That is some Trumpian level "whataboutism".
Gard got into Howard's face first - the only that that saved the short dumpy white guy from the same criticism is he lacks the same athleticism and wing span of Howard to come out the better in the scrum that ensued. Characterizing what happened as Howard "attacking" an innocent is some Trumpian level rhetoric.
They are both blameworthy and they both were sanctioned.
With Miller you take the convenient out of relying on decisions made (questionable at best) which allowed him to continue. But for Howard you have a very different standard, you are making your own judgments about what should happen. Why is that Berkut?
I make my own judgements about what ought to have happened in both cases. I am equally powerless to effect either of them.
I think they both should have been fired. Which I said rather clearly.
I don't understand your question. Are you asking me why I am still an Arizona fan despite them not firing Miller?
I went to school there. No reason other then that. But I am quite capable of evaluating the actions of my alma mater without the need to defend them when they do something I think is wrong.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 23, 2022, 01:17:05 PM
Gard got into Howard's face first - the only that that saved the short dumpy white guy from the same criticism is he lacks the same athleticism and wing span of Howard to come out the better in the scrum that ensued.
Are you claiming that Gard tried to hit someone and was too white and dumpy to manage it?
I mean...ok? I don't see that in the video at all, and like I said, could not give a single shit about Gard or Wisconsin. I am not sure what you are trying to say here - I think Howard got suspended for 4 games and Gard did not because it is pretty damn clear Howard was the instigator for the entire mess.
My only position here is that I think the penalty on Howard was too light, at least insofar as I look at Michigan and what they claim to stand for. If *you* want to argue it was too harsh because Howard is such a great athlete and kicks ass, I don't really know that there is much for us to debate. I also made no claims about the "innocence" of who Howard chose to hit - why are you just making shit up about what I said?
It is rather odd that the apologists say that Howard lost his temper and hit someone in response to Gard "getting in his face", but he actually didn't even hit Gard, he hit someone else entirely, and several seconds later.
Did you actually watch the video?
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2022, 01:26:55 PM
I make my own judgements about what ought to have happened in both cases. I am equally powerless to effect either of them.
I think they both should have been fired. Which I said rather clearly.
I don't understand your question. Are you asking me why I am still an Arizona fan despite them not firing Miller?
I went to school there. No reason other then that. But I am quite capable of evaluating the actions of my alma mater without the need to defend them when they do something I think is wrong.
Yeah, not so clear - you said you were "ambivalent" about him staying on and then contradicted yourself in the same post - and so my question. Why ambivalent in a case where the coach should clearly be shown the door and yet take a strong position that a coach should be fired in the Howard case. The fact that you are a die hard fan of one team is probably a factor.
When my wife told me about this she got confused and said Michigan State instead so for a few minutes I thought Tom Izzo started a brawl :lol:
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 23, 2022, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2022, 01:26:55 PM
I make my own judgements about what ought to have happened in both cases. I am equally powerless to effect either of them.
I think they both should have been fired. Which I said rather clearly.
I don't understand your question. Are you asking me why I am still an Arizona fan despite them not firing Miller?
I went to school there. No reason other then that. But I am quite capable of evaluating the actions of my alma mater without the need to defend them when they do something I think is wrong.
Yeah, not so clear - you said you were "ambivalent" about him staying on and then contradicted yourself in the same post - and so my question. Why ambivalent in a case where the coach should clearly be shown the door and yet take a strong position that a coach should be fired in the Howard case. The fact that you are a die hard fan of one team is probably a factor.
Then I did not express myself well.
I thought he should be fired when the ESPN story came out that claimed there was a recording of him on the phone discussing paying Ayton $100,000 to play at Arizona - ASSUMING THAT STORY WAS TRUE.
It turns out the story is not true, and Arizona suspended Miller when it broke pending their investigation. They investigated (whatever that means) and re-instated Miller.
At that point, I was ambivalent. The fire turned out to not be the fire everyone thought, but IMO there was almost certainly a hell of a lot of smoke, and it seemed unlikely to me that there was a scenario where Miller was blameless.
Since then, more has been learned, but there is still a lot unknown. The more we learned, the more it became pretty clear that the set of possible "best case" scenarios were all variants of either outright firing offenses, or lack of institutional control. I thought Miller should have been fired a couple years ago, once more information came out.
My ambivalence was around the time between the breaking of the ESPN story, since it was pretty clear that whatever happened, ESPN totally fucked up the reporting.
I am an Arizona fan, which means I paid a lot more attention to all of this then I would have had I been a Michigan fan. But I don't think me being an Arizona fan means I have Sean Miller more leash then I would have otherwise (except that had I not been a fan I likely would have just accepted the ESPN story on face value).
Obviously the Miller saga is a lot more complex then Howard. We still don't know what actually happened.
But to be completely clear, I think Arizona should have fired Sean Miller a long time ago, and they would have had they had the same values around sportsmanship and character in relation to college athletics that I value.
I don't think being an Arizona fan has made me more sympathetic to Sean Miller at all - quite the opposite in fact. I would much rather my alma mater was a lot less tolerant of shitty character then the baseline of what is acceptable in college athletics.
And I can assure you that if Tommy Lloyd attacks another coach after a game, I will call for him to be fired as well. And will likely be ignored, because nobody appears to give a shit these days.
Ok, thanks for clarifying.
I have the Zags, Baylor, Villanova and Auburn in the final four with the Zags and Villanova playing for it all - Zags winning.
I don't see anyone beating Arizona other then Gonzaga and Arizona.
Quote from: Berkut on March 16, 2022, 02:07:51 PMI don't see anyone beating Arizona other then Gonzaga and Arizona.
:lol:
I gave Arizona to Houston in the Sweet Sixteen but I think Seton Hall has a chance.
Losing the Tourney to COVID in 2020 when they were scheduled to host their bracket in their own field house as the #1 seed, last year's folding chair act to Baylor made Gonzaga Nation howl even more. It was a two-fer of pain the last two seasons.
I would like to think things happen in threes.
So far I have picked everything correctly except Richmond. But what the hell Seedy! What have you done to the Zags!
The Seedy curse was only strong enough to last half the game. A good half time speech dispelled it.
Oh man, I am torn. I would much rather see Michigan win in general, but at the same time, nothing would make me happier then getting Tennessee on a neutral court in the NCAA tournament.
A 15-2 upset is happening.
Damn it, I had UK in my final 4.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 17, 2022, 08:34:01 PMA 15-2 upset is happening.
Damn it, I had UK in my final 4.
Wow. This is one hell of a ending...
Well I have to say I didn't have St. Peter's
There went like....97% of the brackets.
I had them going out in the second round. I hate Kentucky and some years that works against me some years it works out just fine.
I always fill out a bracket for our dogs based on team names so that: Dogs > wolves > bears > ... > weather events > cultures which look down on dogs > cultures which eat dogs > cats > varmints. So naturally they picked the Gaels over the Wild Cats. CB and I didn't do so well.
@Berk How do you like your Frenchie Baller?
:D :D :D
Picking Baylor was a mistake
Baylor was a mistake.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 18, 2022, 09:32:31 PM@Berk How do you like your Frenchie Baller?
:D :D :D
Which one of them is French?
Quote from: Berkut on March 19, 2022, 06:58:55 PMQuote from: Grey Fox on March 18, 2022, 09:32:31 PM@Berk How do you like your Frenchie Baller?
:D :D :D
Which one of them is French?
Arizona's #0 Benjamin Mathurin
Good for Michigan. I knew they had a puncher's chance against Tennessee.
Well both of my brackets are totally busted in the first fucking round. Thanks Baylor and Tennessee. :mad:
That being said, not at all sad to see Michigan advance over Tennessee. :cool:
I am happy to say I picked Michigan over Tennessee. But I also picked Baylor to go to the final four so....
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 19, 2022, 07:07:48 PMQuote from: Berkut on March 19, 2022, 06:58:55 PMQuote from: Grey Fox on March 18, 2022, 09:32:31 PM@Berk How do you like your Frenchie Baller?
:D :D :D
Which one of them is French?
Arizona's #0 Benjamin Mathurin
I like him a lot. He is an amazing player. Probably the most talented player in the team overall
Quote from: merithyn on March 19, 2022, 10:16:58 PMThat being said, not at all sad to see Michigan advance over Tennessee. :cool:
Same here. :lol:
Not that I picked that except in my dream bracket. That's the first time in more than a month that Michigan has won two in a row. :(
Interesting stat from that game: Kentucky has never beaten Michigan in the NCAA tournament (in 4 tries).
A complete and total shooting meltdown in the first half but only down 36-30 to Purdue. Hope is kept alive...barely.
Texas got it down to 74-71 with a minute left but that was that. Great first season by Chris Beard! Texas hadn't won a tournament game in almost a decade.
And after watching that Arizona game I don't feel so bad about Texas losing to TCU in the Big 12 Tournament now as well. Our fans were pretty suicidal after that, but we had all been traumatized by so many years of Shaka Smart idiocy.
Jesus Christ. Who the hell is that Lampkin guy?
Arizona almost exits to a smaller, slower team that outrebounds them. Freaking March.
If there is a better guard in the country then Benedict Mathurin, I don't know who it is.
Quote from: Berkut on March 20, 2022, 09:37:10 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on March 19, 2022, 07:07:48 PMQuote from: Berkut on March 19, 2022, 06:58:55 PMQuote from: Grey Fox on March 18, 2022, 09:32:31 PM@Berk How do you like your Frenchie Baller?
:D :D :D
Which one of them is French?
Arizona's #0 Benjamin Mathurin
I like him a lot. He is an amazing player. Probably the most talented player in the team overall
OK, so he isn't French, he is Canadian! I mean...he was born in Quebec - does that make him French Canadian kind of automatically?
He doesn't have any kind of French accent that I could tell. I've never heard him referred to as French (although like every single Arizona player is foreign, so I knew he was not from the US - I thought he was Canadian because every time I heard him speak in an interview his English is pretty much unaccented)
If he's from Quebec he's probably of Haitian descent, if that means anything.
I honestly don't know - if someone was described as French Canadian, does that mean one would expect that their first language is French? Or is being born in Quebec to Anglo parents still make you French Canadian, because you are born in Quebec?
I really don't care by the way - I was prepared to believe he was from France France, and I would like him just as much. He is an amazing player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgcqbq5iphQ
Dunk of the year
Auburn down. Two of my regional brackets busted. But my Villanova Zag final is still possible.
I am kind of terrified of Houston. That looks like an upset waiting to happen.
I think one of Arizona's major weaknesses is that they don't have NCAA Tourney experience, and this is Houstons third trip to the Sweet-16 in a row.
Arizona has so many good players, and they play very unselfishly. I hope last nights game sees Mathurin be just a little bit more selfish. Arizona needs one of their stars to just start dominating games, and force their opponents to do something about that. If you can force any team to reliably double team Mathurin, Toubelis will go off. Or force double teams on Koloko, and Toubelis or Mathurin will go off. ETtc., etc.
But I am sure Tommy Lloyd has forgotten more about basketball coaching then I have ever known...
Quote from: Berkut on March 20, 2022, 11:45:43 PMQuote from: Berkut on March 20, 2022, 09:37:10 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on March 19, 2022, 07:07:48 PMQuote from: Berkut on March 19, 2022, 06:58:55 PMQuote from: Grey Fox on March 18, 2022, 09:32:31 PM@Berk How do you like your Frenchie Baller?
:D :D :D
Which one of them is French?
Arizona's #0 Benjamin Mathurin
I like him a lot. He is an amazing player. Probably the most talented player in the team overall
OK, so he isn't French, he is Canadian! I mean...he was born in Quebec - does that make him French Canadian kind of automatically?
He doesn't have any kind of French accent that I could tell. I've never heard him referred to as French (although like every single Arizona player is foreign, so I knew he was not from the US - I thought he was Canadian because every time I heard him speak in an interview his English is pretty much unaccented)
He was born in Montreal to Haitian parents. Around here, people of Haitian descent are francophones. I don't know when he moved to the US to play B-ball but when he went to school here, he did it in French.
While I made it confusing by only calling him a frenchie(as a language qualifier, not a national qualifier). Blame YI for teaching me that one. There are not a lot of subset of people born in Quebec that I would only call
Canadian as oppose to French-Canadian.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2022, 09:39:43 PMLosing the Tourney to COVID in 2020 when they were scheduled to host their bracket in their own field house as the #1 seed, last year's folding chair act to Baylor made Gonzaga Nation howl even more. It was a two-fer of pain the last two seasons.
I would like to think things happen in threes.
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Quote from: Berkut on March 17, 2022, 08:42:46 PMThere went like....97% of the brackets.
I didn't enter the office pool this year, which is a damn shame because when I do I always bet against UK and U of L, because all of the hicks down here MUST pick one or the other to win it all... it's like their religion almost.
Damn that Houston defence causes complete chaos.
Houston exposed that Arizona is young and inexperienced. Arizona is a much better team talent wise, but not enough better to beat Houston playing Houston basketball.
Still, one hell of an amazing season for a first year coach. I am not going to complain.
I liked the composure of the Arizona coach. A lot of other coaches would've lost their shit when mistakes were made. But that would not have helped the Arizona team at all.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 25, 2022, 08:37:36 AMI liked the composure of the Arizona coach. A lot of other coaches would've lost their shit when mistakes were made. But that would not have helped the Arizona team at all.
Lloyd has great composure. So far it hasn't been reflected in his team though.
I figure he has a couple decades of coaching experience, but no head coaching experience. And learning how to control the emotional balance of a team is hard, and this team happens to be really fucking good. So he probably did not really know how to impose his composure on them without risking screwing up their rather nicely working pasdion and vibe.
Kerr Krissa for example, is an excellent PG. But he is a bit of an asshole, doesn't know when to shut up, and has had a couple incidents where he has responded after games to the crowd, or taunted the opposing bench. In game, he has no fear, and not in a good way all the time. He jacks up threes and he is not nearly as good a shooter as he thinks he is - but he plays with fire and passion and the team responds to that. Arizona is a better team when he is on the floor in almost every statistical category, even if HIS stats are not all that impressive at times.
How do you tamp down the 19 year old dumb shit while still encouraging that swagger and passion?
Lloyd will figure it out, I am sure.
It's only been one year, but I love the guy. Incredible recruiter, great X and Os, and so far looks to have the class and sportsmanship and composure to represent the school well.
I was wondering why Kerr was taking the shot when it seemed he had better options to feed. That shooting guard is smooth as silk and those bigs are athletic, strong and have a lot of skill.
But as you say, you also need a pg with a lot of confidence or the whole thing collapses.
My yahoo bracket is 1001 out of 499 604 brackets. Not bad.
That is pretty good. Who did you have in your final four.
This was definitely the wrong year to start betting against Duke. I did not see that coming.
Things have went bad since I am now 3701.
I had a chalky Gonzaga, Kentucky, Villanova and Kansas.