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I had an interesting conversation with my manager today. She's obviously offended that I work different hours than she'd prefer, but can't really do anything about it because the agreement for when I work was made before she became my manager. For the record, I work 6am-4pm Pacific Time, which is 8am - 6pm my time (Central Time). I rarely get a lunch, so that's a solid 10-hour day, five days a week. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, I am supposed to leave at 3pm PT (5pm CT) so that I can study, but that also rarely happens as people regularly schedule me for meetings well after those times.

Given her druthers, I would work standard hours of 9am - 5pm PT. Mind you, when I lived in Portland and worked in the office, my hours were 7am - 4:30pm, and I took a lunch every day, so my schedule hasn't really changed much, except that I'm working a lot more hours.

Today, I asked her what hours our new person was going to be working, since she's Mountain Time and because I was trying to set up some meetings with her for training. Her response was, "Salaried employees do not have schedules or hours." She followed that up with, "I will ask her what her preferred schedule looks like, but I just want to be clear that my expectations of all salaried employees are in line with [Company].  That is, your schedule is dictated by your workload.  There are no set hours."

Right now, on average, I work around 50 hours a week. Our busy season starts next month, where that will likely be upped to closer to 55-60 hours a week until the end of the year.

This got me thinking. What is the "norm" for salaried employees? I know that it will differ based on the type of work, the level of performance you're at, etc., but it would be interesting to know what the basic expectations are on average.

Salaried. Varies. Usually 45 hours, but spikes during month end.

Salaries. Up and down but I'd say low 40s.

But moving to a new role and it'll be interesting to see what that is.

Edit: Although my contract hours were 0930-1730. And I am militant about lunch.

I'm hourly at my current position and do 40 hours each week, never less, and very, very rarely more.

My previous job was salaried and I did exactly 40 hours each week there as well.

Salaried, they expect 37.5 over 5 days. I usually do that, no matter the workload. Some weeks I'll do up to 41.5 but I bank the extra hours.

My GF is salaried & her work week is 35h, she can bank up to 10 hours per 20 days period.

I manage about a dozen developers, and my expectation is that in a normal week it is 40 hours.

I have no problem demanding more, potentially even a lot more, if some specific set of circumstances demand it - a deployment, some crisis with a customer, we have all worked over the weekend at times.

ON the other hand, I tell my devs that if they find they are consistently, without some kind of crisis, working more than 40-44 hours a week, something is wrong and they should talk to me and we will get it resolved.

40 hours. Starting a new job in September where I'll make a fair bit more but I won't be able to bank overtime. If I find myself doing overtime regularly I'm prepared to take a 20% pay cut and work 4 days a week. Time > money

Define work.
Procrastinating whilst trying to work or actual productive time?

Not really sure what the difference between salaried and hourly?

My employment contract says I should work 8 hours a day and get x per month as salary. If I work more, I can bank that and take that time off later. Since I moved to a managerial position, it is my own responsibility to track my work time and vacation days.

Quote from: Zanza on June 07, 2021, 03:18:58 PM
Not really sure what the difference between salaried and hourly?

My employment contract says I should work 8 hours a day and get x per month as salary. If I work more, I can bank that and take that time off later. Since I moved to a managerial position, it is my own responsibility to track my work time and vacation days.

Generally if you're eligible for overtime you're hourly.

QuoteThat is, your schedule is dictated by your workload.  There are no set hours.

:lol: Fuck off. That's a shit attitude. If there is more work than your team can manage in the available time, you are a shitty manager. You need to either reduce workload or increase capacity then. Just whipping the team will not lead to sustainable results.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 07, 2021, 03:22:32 PM

Quote from: Zanza on June 07, 2021, 03:18:58 PM
Not really sure what the difference between salaried and hourly?

My employment contract says I should work 8 hours a day and get x per month as salary. If I work more, I can bank that and take that time off later. Since I moved to a managerial position, it is my own responsibility to track my work time and vacation days.

Generally if you're eligible for overtime you're hourly.

I see. Just googled it and that distinction does not have an equivalent provision in our labor law. Overtime pay exists, but it's not some seemingly automated thing like in the US.

Quote from: Zanza on June 07, 2021, 03:23:39 PM

QuoteThat is, your schedule is dictated by your workload.  There are no set hours.

:lol: Fuck off. That's a shit attitude. If there is more work than your team can manage in the available time, you are a shitty manager. You need to either reduce workload or increase capacity then. Just whipping the team will not lead to sustainable results.

Indeed. That is just dumb management.

I worked hourly until I got into management, then it changed to salaried. Obviously I've worked weekends etc when the situation demanded it, but I've never worked an insane amount of hours. My impression is that I am reasonably good at prioritizing tasks.

I am exempt salary (no overtime).  UC expects me to get my job done each week.  If I am regularly working more than 40 or less than 40, the policy is to try and balance work out to be closer to 40.  That said, many (many, many) people here work far less than 40 hours per week for their 40 hours a week paycheck.

Quote from: PDH on June 07, 2021, 03:53:52 PM
I am exempt salary (no overtime).  UC expects me to get my job done each week.  If I am regularly working more than 40 or less than 40, the policy is to try and balance work out to be closer to 40.  That said, many (many, many) people here work far less than 40 hours per week for their 40 hours a week paycheck.

And your actual "work" is sitting around smoking pot with long-haired buddies and screwing women with hairy armpits.

Quote from: The Brain on June 07, 2021, 03:57:11 PM

Quote from: PDH on June 07, 2021, 03:53:52 PM
I am exempt salary (no overtime).  UC expects me to get my job done each week.  If I am regularly working more than 40 or less than 40, the policy is to try and balance work out to be closer to 40.  That said, many (many, many) people here work far less than 40 hours per week for their 40 hours a week paycheck.

And your actual "work" is sitting around smoking pot with long-haired buddies and screwing women with hairy armpits.

Hey, someone has to do it.  Plus there are the demonstrations against bad things too!

Salaried, 40 hours a week.

It's a bit of a problem because it is a cyclical job (we are much busier during launches). Company will never pay us overtime, though.

So we take time off if going over 40 hours. With my previous bosses that was fairly straightforward: "Hey, be warned that I'm taking this and that day off since I had to stay late to solve X". My current boss is one of those MBA types with a background in consultancy firms, so I don't know how that'll work out with him. We also have time tracking now, courtesy of our government. Thanks Pedro.  :rolleyes:

Raz feels left out in this thread.

I work for the govmint of 'Merica......

Quote from: Berkut on June 07, 2021, 01:39:06 PM
ON the other hand, I tell my devs that if they find they are consistently, without some kind of crisis, working more than 40-44 hours a week, something is wrong and they should talk to me and we will get it resolved.

Both my coworker and I have talked to her. She told my coworker, who said that her preference would be to work 40-hour work weeks, "I'd like you to challenge that expectation."

Time to find another place to work.

Quote from: Habbaku on June 07, 2021, 07:52:50 PM
Time to find another place to work.

We're both applying.  :D We are a two-person team and they've just hired a third. (She started today.)

I hope you tell the new hire to run away screaming when you line up another job.

I easily work over 50 hours per week.  Even after getting off work, we check our mobiles and emails often. 

Self-employed as to a couple of businesses, so no real steady hours as such (nor is there any steady or predictable pay outside of certain clients).  It's a question of work quantity in relation to the deadlines set either by the client or law.

Quote from: merithyn on June 07, 2021, 01:05:58 PM
This got me thinking. What is the "norm" for salaried employees? I know that it will differ based on the type of work, the level of performance you're at, etc., but it would be interesting to know what the basic expectations are on average.

Since I am now salaried... I have a 35hrs work week and a flexible schedule.  Although, due to training I will have to work on friday afternoons, the usual schedule for unionized employees that most officers follow are 8:15 to 16:45, no break in the afternoon (it is paid, as in, you get to leave 15 min earlier) and 8:15 to 12:00 on Fridays.  I am required to do occasional overtime (like city councils) or be at the office at specific times (this part hasn't happenned yet except for training) and I have no overtime, but I get 9 paid days of extra vacations each year, on top of my other holydays&vacation time (3 weeks by the second year, 5 by the 5th).

I've skipped dinner time entirely early on, because there was a lot of work and I couldn't be there everyday, but I tend to get tired toward mid-afternoon when I don't stop at least 30 minutes, so now I usually take 45 minutes.

My previous schedule was 7:30 to 17:30-18:00 then 19:30-20:00 to 21:00-22/23:00 sometimes even to the wee hours of the morning, depending on workload plus most saturdays of late summer and fall.  January&February were usually below 40hrs, march-july 45-50 depending on the number of projects running and if I had an assistant.  August through the first permanent snow could be... grueling.  I usually took less than half an hour to eat, sometimes eating at my desk, with my plate on my knees, so to speak.

It pays less for now, but I like it that way, much less stressful.

While looking around, in the private sector, I know it's officially 40hrs, but they expect you to work between 40-45hrs a week without compensation other than your base salary, no special days off except with calendar holydays, no vacation at all for the 1st year and no full break during Christmas time.

My salary could have been a tad higher, had I managed to find a decent job, but such jobs would have likely be in Quebec city and would have required me to get an appartment/flat as remote work was not authorized full time for any prospective employer.

So, a bit less money than I made, a lot less hours in a week, a lot more vacation time/time off during the year

All in all, a good compromise in my situation.  But I totally respect and applaud those who want and like to work longer hours.  I used to be there.  It's just not for me anymore and I don't think I could do it again on a regular basis, even though I'm feeling better since a couple of weeks.

Quote from: Napoleon XIV on June 07, 2021, 09:40:39 PM
Self-employed as to a couple of businesses, so no real steady hours as such (nor is there any steady or predictable pay outside of certain clients).  It's a question of work quantity in relation to the deadlines set either by the client or law.

Long time no see!  :hug:

Quote from: Berkut on June 07, 2021, 03:44:43 PM

Quote from: Zanza on June 07, 2021, 03:23:39 PM

QuoteThat is, your schedule is dictated by your workload.  There are no set hours.

:lol: Fuck off. That's a shit attitude. If there is more work than your team can manage in the available time, you are a shitty manager. You need to either reduce workload or increase capacity then. Just whipping the team will not lead to sustainable results.

Indeed. That is just dumb management.

Isn't the norm in the US?  I mean the >40hrs workweek, not the dumb management?  I believe people in the video game industry, devs, namely, often do a lot more and can spend a year in "crunch mode", I kept hearing stories about Google were engineers were spending their entire night in the office, not going home to sleep because there was too much work, and it seemed to be widespread to a lot of industries.  I seem to recall some petition to get a 50hrs workweek in some big US bank, instead of the typical 80hrs per week.

Quote from: PDH on June 07, 2021, 03:53:52 PM
That said, many (many, many) people here work far less than 40 hours per week for their 40 hours a week paycheck.

I was afraid of something like that at my new place, since it's public service, but so far, I have yet to see somebody slacking off.

That being said, a lot of work is longer than it should be simply because their processes are somewhat antiquated and the accounting software, while being a global management solution for cities is crucially lacking in some small quality of life improvements.  Strange fact, the makers of this software is part of the same conglomerate for the software I used in my previous employment situation.  Some improvements do not seem to have crossed corporate walls.  Maybe Harris Computers is simply a financial investor and does next to zero management of their individual acquistions, I don't know. 

By and large, the software looks&feel antiquated.  You can't save a report directly to PDF, you have to use a PDF printer driver (like Microsoft Print to PDF) which somehow doesn't always work for all reports, at least remotely.

Ah anyway, I digress.  Everyone does what they have to do, but things could be done more efficiently with less paper, more Excel and possibly some non relational database.
Once I've managed to get all the accesses everywhere, learnt the software properly (I had full access only mid last week) and get some free time I'll work on some things.

Jeez, they didn't even have an online password management system, they relied on little handwritten notebooks scatterered everywhere across the office... 1st thing I changed, even though I'm not supposed to install any software that isn't licensed to ther city.  But someone is working on this...

No, it definitely isn't the norm.

The video game industry, some Google jobs (and surely plenty of developer jobs), and investment banking are significant outliers.

Quote from: Monoriu on June 07, 2021, 08:32:17 PM
I easily work over 50 hours per week.  Even after getting off work, we check our mobiles and emails often.

For a Chinese, these are superb work conditions, right? ;)

Quote from: Monoriu on June 07, 2021, 08:32:17 PM
I easily work over 50 hours per week.  Even after getting off work, we check our mobiles and emails often.

Fuck. :mellow: I have a job like a Chinese state worker.

Quote from: viper37 on June 07, 2021, 09:53:22 PM

Quote from: Berkut on June 07, 2021, 03:44:43 PM

Quote from: Zanza on June 07, 2021, 03:23:39 PM

QuoteThat is, your schedule is dictated by your workload.  There are no set hours.

:lol: Fuck off. That's a shit attitude. If there is more work than your team can manage in the available time, you are a shitty manager. You need to either reduce workload or increase capacity then. Just whipping the team will not lead to sustainable results.

Indeed. That is just dumb management.

Isn't the norm in the US?  I mean the >40hrs workweek, not the dumb management?  I believe people in the video game industry, devs, namely, often do a lot more and can spend a year in "crunch mode", I kept hearing stories about Google were engineers were spending their entire night in the office, not going home to sleep because there was too much work, and it seemed to be widespread to a lot of industries.  I seem to recall some petition to get a 50hrs workweek in some big US bank, instead of the typical 80hrs per week.

My ex used to work 12-14 hours a day, six days a week as a video game programmer. I left him because he told me he wouldn't leave that industry.

Prior to this manager coming in, I worked 40 hours a week except for one or two months toward the end of the year where I would work around 45-50 for a few weeks to hit deadlines. Same job, same work. New manager was hired last October. She has decided that 45-50 should be the norm. God only knows what she'll consider the "busy season".

Quote from: viper37 on June 07, 2021, 10:05:50 PM

Quote from: Monoriu on June 07, 2021, 08:32:17 PM
I easily work over 50 hours per week.  Even after getting off work, we check our mobiles and emails often.

For a Chinese, these are superb work conditions, right? ;)

A lot of people have worse hours, yes. 

I think poor people management training of managers is probably the biggest drain on productivity in the corporate world.  Some people should just never be allowed into management, because they have authoritarian or sadistic tendencies, but others are just badly trained and are making the lives of their employees miserable for no good reason.

Quote from: merithyn on June 07, 2021, 10:26:02 PM
New manager was hired last October. She has decided that 45-50 should be the norm. God only knows what she'll consider the "busy season".

Why on earth would you acquiesce to that when the norm was already established at 40?

Quote from: DGuller on June 07, 2021, 10:33:18 PM
I think poor people management training of managers is probably the biggest drain on productivity in the corporate world.  Some people should just never be allowed into management, because they have authoritarian or sadistic tendencies, but others are just badly trained and are making the lives of their employees miserable for no good reason.

Let's be fair.  Sure there are problematic managers.  But there are also problematic employees.  Some of them just can't work in an organisation in which they are not the boss. 

Quote from: merithyn on June 07, 2021, 10:18:49 PM

Quote from: Monoriu on June 07, 2021, 08:32:17 PM
I easily work over 50 hours per week.  Even after getting off work, we check our mobiles and emails often.

Fuck. :mellow: I have a job like a Chinese state worker.

Congratulations  :hug:

Quote from: Habbaku on June 07, 2021, 10:41:11 PM

Quote from: merithyn on June 07, 2021, 10:26:02 PM
New manager was hired last October. She has decided that 45-50 should be the norm. God only knows what she'll consider the "busy season".

Why on earth would you acquiesce to that when the norm was already established at 40?

I don't know, but the life of Merry seems to follow a disting pattern since I've been reading her:
Get a job with decent working conditions, decent wage and a qualified&understanding manager.
Said manager leaves the company/moves higher up/retires.
New manager comes in and somehow picks on her or poison her entire team.
Moves to a new job with decent working conditions, decent wage and a qualified&understanding manager.
Said manager leaves the company/moves higher up/retires.
New manager comes in and somehow picks on her or poison her entire team.
...Repeat...  ;)

The first few times, I thought maybe, well, I don't know her personally, so maybe once she gets to work, she goes from Dr Jekyll to Ms Hide? :P  But now, I think she just has natural bad luck with work.  I only know of one other person in my life like that.

Well, whatever it is you find next Merry, I only wish you the best and for a long time :)

Quote from: Habbaku on June 07, 2021, 10:41:11 PM

Quote from: merithyn on June 07, 2021, 10:26:02 PM
New manager was hired last October. She has decided that 45-50 should be the norm. God only knows what she'll consider the "busy season".

Why on earth would you acquiesce to that when the norm was already established at 40?

At my last job it became part of a knock out brawl with our new manager (in Canada) vs my employees here. They had no choice but to acquiesce as he would tell them off if they werent getting things done at his desired pace.

Salaried, 25h.

Quote from: DGuller on June 07, 2021, 10:33:18 PM
I think poor people management training of managers is probably the biggest drain on productivity in the corporate world.  Some people should just never be allowed into management, because they have authoritarian or sadistic tendencies, but others are just badly trained and are making the lives of their employees miserable for no good reason.

:angry: If you have something to say just spit it out.

Quote from: The Brain on June 07, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
I worked hourly until I got into management, then it changed to salaried. Obviously I've worked weekends etc when the situation demanded it, but I've never worked an insane amount of hours. My impression is that I am reasonably good at prioritizing tasks.

Addendum: I've never had a boss who judged my performance based on my hours.

Quote from: The Brain on June 08, 2021, 02:49:46 AM

Quote from: The Brain on June 07, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
I worked hourly until I got into management, then it changed to salaried. Obviously I've worked weekends etc when the situation demanded it, but I've never worked an insane amount of hours. My impression is that I am reasonably good at prioritizing tasks.

Addendum: I've never had a boss who judged my performance based on my hours.

My old job was partially that way. "[Colleague] was in the office till 2 am to meet the deadline!" (Yeah, no wonder if she spends half her working day surfing the internet and two hours drinking coffee with her best buddy ... )

Or another colleague/friend who got an average performance review because even though he overfulfilled his targets he "left already between 5 and 6 when the rest of the team starts to be really productive and collaborate on exciting projects" (never mind he arrived at the office two hours earlier than the others).

At my previous job there were some bean counters in an office close to the main entrance. They would do nothing but comment on the times other people came in and left. It was pretty obvious some managers loved that kind of information for performance reviews.
They were comprehensively shunned, of course, which only made them more bitter and spiteful.

Self employed, all over the place. Lately I'm doing 30h per week, but that can change drastically in some periods.

Quote from: viper37 on June 07, 2021, 10:55:36 PM

Quote from: Habbaku on June 07, 2021, 10:41:11 PM

Quote from: merithyn on June 07, 2021, 10:26:02 PM
New manager was hired last October. She has decided that 45-50 should be the norm. God only knows what she'll consider the "busy season".

Why on earth would you acquiesce to that when the norm was already established at 40?

I don't know, but the life of Merry seems to follow a disting pattern since I've been reading her:
Get a job with decent working conditions, decent wage and a qualified&understanding manager.
Said manager leaves the company/moves higher up/retires.
New manager comes in and somehow picks on her or poison her entire team.
Moves to a new job with decent working conditions, decent wage and a qualified&understanding manager.
Said manager leaves the company/moves higher up/retires.
New manager comes in and somehow picks on her or poison her entire team.
...Repeat...  ;)

The first few times, I thought maybe, well, I don't know her personally, so maybe once she gets to work, she goes from Dr Jekyll to Ms Hide? :P  But now, I think she just has natural bad luck with work.  I only know of one other person in my life like that.

Well, whatever it is you find next Merry, I only wish you the best and for a long time :)

In this case, it was Best Manager Ever leaves for another team. They hire a piss-poor replacement who not only couldn't keep up, but blamed me/the team for his failings. He left the company under really bad terms while proving that he was a pathological liar. Hire a decent manager who has very indecent ideas on work expectations, which is poisoning the team's productivity and morale.

My current coworker is applying for a position with the Best Manager Ever. She had one interview with him and was like, "OMG! He's really the best ever!" Ayep.... he is....  <_<

Quote from: viper37 on June 07, 2021, 10:55:36 PM

Quote from: Habbaku on June 07, 2021, 10:41:11 PM

Quote from: merithyn on June 07, 2021, 10:26:02 PM
New manager was hired last October. She has decided that 45-50 should be the norm. God only knows what she'll consider the "busy season".

Why on earth would you acquiesce to that when the norm was already established at 40?

I don't know, but the life of Merry seems to follow a disting pattern since I've been reading her:
Get a job with decent working conditions, decent wage and a qualified&understanding manager.
Said manager leaves the company/moves higher up/retires.
New manager comes in and somehow picks on her or poison her entire team.
Moves to a new job with decent working conditions, decent wage and a qualified&understanding manager.
Said manager leaves the company/moves higher up/retires.
New manager comes in and somehow picks on her or poison her entire team.
...Repeat...  ;)

The first few times, I thought maybe, well, I don't know her personally, so maybe once she gets to work, she goes from Dr Jekyll to Ms Hide? :P  But now, I think she just has natural bad luck with work.  I only know of one other person in my life like that.

Well, whatever it is you find next Merry, I only wish you the best and for a long time :)

So....The moral of the story is if you want a promotion hire Meri?

Quote from: Tyr on June 08, 2021, 08:56:44 AM
So....The moral of the story is if you want a promotion hire Meri?

I do tend to make my managers look good. :)

Quote from: The Brain on June 08, 2021, 02:48:33 AM

Quote from: DGuller on June 07, 2021, 10:33:18 PM
I think poor people management training of managers is probably the biggest drain on productivity in the corporate world.  Some people should just never be allowed into management, because they have authoritarian or sadistic tendencies, but others are just badly trained and are making the lives of their employees miserable for no good reason.

:angry: If you have something to say just spit it out.

I pity the poor sap who reports to Brain.  :(

Quote from: Eddie Teach on June 08, 2021, 10:59:40 AM

Quote from: The Brain on June 08, 2021, 02:48:33 AM

Quote from: DGuller on June 07, 2021, 10:33:18 PM
I think poor people management training of managers is probably the biggest drain on productivity in the corporate world.  Some people should just never be allowed into management, because they have authoritarian or sadistic tendencies, but others are just badly trained and are making the lives of their employees miserable for no good reason.

:angry: If you have something to say just spit it out.

I pity the poor sap who reports to Brain.  :(

His goat herder-in-chief?

Salaried, at least 60 every week and often more, especially during QE close when it's often closer to 100.

Quote from: Caliga on June 09, 2021, 08:29:00 AM
Salaried, at least 60 every week and often more, especially during QE close when it's often closer to 100.

Fuck that noise. I mean...unless you are one of those lucky people who genuinely enjoys their job and would actually rather spend hours 45-60 doing that instead of something else.

Quote from: Caliga on June 09, 2021, 08:29:00 AM
Salaried, at least 60 every week and often more, especially during QE close when it's often closer to 100.

Will this lead to an early retirement or an early grave? Tune in to find out!

Quote from: merithyn on June 09, 2021, 09:50:29 AM

Quote from: Caliga on June 09, 2021, 08:29:00 AM
Salaried, at least 60 every week and often more, especially during QE close when it's often closer to 100.

Will this lead to an early retirement or an early grave? Tune in to find out!

For me it had led to deep depression. -_-

I could handle that for maybe two weeks in a row. Fuck that.

In my previous job I had a period where I was working 7 am to 7 pm Mon - Fri, plus 8 hours each on Saturday/Sunday for well over two weeks to meet a deadline. At the end I was physically and mentally exhausted, and my reward was:
- a "thank you" from my manager
- HR throwing a hissy fit over the overtime and reminding me that extra hours don't carry forward into the following month

This experience was quite instructive, and I never did something so stupid again.

I don't know how in any world I could pull out that kind of hours. Maybe if you offered to 3x my salary?

The Giant American conglomerate will fire me at the first occasion they get, why would I do more for them?

I worked at a call center once, they had work days lasting either 7, 8 or 9 hours with 30 or 45 min lunch. All statistics showed that no matter what combination each employee did almost exactly the same work independent of working hours and lunch was equally long independent of scheduled lunch. We logged in to a call system with computers so they had very exact statistics.

The employees were also dissatisfied and turnover was 100%+ yearly.

So they did what HR people do and mandated 8 hrs and 45 min lunch for everyone always.

Personally I would have gone with 7 hour days and 30 min lunch, especially as demand was highest in the mornings and evenings, so one hour midday could be cut from everyone almost without consequences.

I don't really believe in long working days, I have a span of about 5 hours when I'm working at peak efficiency, the rest of the day I might as well just garden or whatever.

Quote from: merithyn on June 09, 2021, 09:50:29 AM

Quote from: Caliga on June 09, 2021, 08:29:00 AM
Salaried, at least 60 every week and often more, especially during QE close when it's often closer to 100.

Will this lead to an early retirement or an early grave? Tune in to find out!

"If you work for a living, why do you kill yourself working?"

Quote from: Caliga on June 09, 2021, 08:29:00 AM
Salaried, at least 60 every week and often more, especially during QE close when it's often closer to 100.

He twerks hard for the money. :(

I'll give my answer, but I don't know how many people fall into my situation.

So I'm in government, non-unionized, non-management - which is a category probably only lawyers fall into.  But of course we work in an overall union workplace, as all non-lawyers are members of the union.  As such our official work hours are 37.5 per week, starting at 8:15, ending at 4:30 (45 minute lunch).

So I mostly keep to those hours.  Honestly I come in a bit after 8:15, and leave by 4:15 most days.

But I am salaried.  If court runs late - too bad.  If I need to work late or on a weekend because of a big trial - too bad.  But I'm experienced enough I don't usually need to work extended hours to prepare my trials (as a baby Crown it was a different story).

We're also given a system of Earned Days Off (EDO) which are supposed to make up for that unpaid overtime.  But the downside is you can not schedule one in advance.  But if you have a free day in your calendar for that month you can get it off as an EDO.  But given how much is put on my schedule to begin with, and given the need to actually do work when I'm not in court, I think I take about 1.5 EDOs per year.

So anyways - I'm answering 35-40 (but with spikes).

Quote from: merithyn on June 09, 2021, 09:50:29 AM
Will this lead to an early retirement or an early grave? Tune in to find out!

Probably the latter. :)

But why?

Quote from: Habbaku on June 09, 2021, 06:10:31 PM
But why?

Living in Kentucky ain't what it used to be :(
Back in the goold old days, all you had to worry about was a stray Cherokee tomahawk going your way.
Now, I can only imagine the kind of horrors that surface everyweek to mandate a 100 hours workweek to survive. ;)

I can't imagine what kind of horror a state with Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul as its Senators has to offer.

Quote from: DGuller on June 09, 2021, 06:47:26 PM
I can't imagine

This is why you became an accountant.  :P

On paper, my work week is 38.75 hrs (we do 45-min lunches). In practice, I have clocked 53 hours of work time in a single week before, and as I have one of the absolute highest-level positions in the company that's non-exempt, I take my pound of flesh for it. Lately, I've gotten it down to around 40 even, but it won't go down to the scheduled slots without staffing up with all the crazy expansion projects I've been up to my eyeballs in.

And Meri, that's not just "indecent ideas" about salary-work-life balance, that's a labor lawsuit waiting to happen. Hoping you can escape to greener pastures soon, definitely before somebody hauls out an employment contract and starts highlighting hours commitments...

Quote from: Caliga on June 09, 2021, 05:55:58 PM

Quote from: merithyn on June 09, 2021, 09:50:29 AM
Will this lead to an early retirement or an early grave? Tune in to find out!

Probably the latter. :)

You can always post on Languish if it gets too stressful at work. Maybe that relaxes you and helps your health and peace of mind. Civil War hijacks always do that for me.