This is awesome.
Problem is, that I can take a perfectly fine picture, airbrush a perfectly empty little space, and then claim that there was something there.
Can anyone here dig to the end of this, or independently confirm that these videos have been indeed relased by NASA with the airbrushed portions already in it?
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html (http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html)
:D Don't ever change, Siegie.
It is the Nazi moon base. A movie is coming out on this soon.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 10:40:25 PM
It is the Nazi moon base. A movie is coming out on this soon.
A documentary, I bet.
Really, Siegy, I am not at all worried you're the first line of defence against terrorism. At all worried. No Siree.
Quote from: Norgy on July 21, 2009, 01:40:48 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 10:40:25 PM
It is the Nazi moon base. A movie is coming out on this soon.
A documentary, I bet.
Really, Siegy, I am not at all worried you're the first line of defence against terrorism. At all worried. No Siree.
You don't have to worry.
I am in the First Line Of Offense Against Terrorism, not defence.
:hug:
QuoteThe residents of Honeysuckle Creek, Australia, actually saw a different broadcast to the rest of the World. Just shortly before Armstrong stepped onto the Moons surface, a change could be seen where the picture goes from a stark black to a brighter picture. Honeysuckle Creek stayed with the picture and although the voice transmissions were broadcast from Goldstone, the actual film footage was broadcast from Australia. As Una watched Armstrong walking on the surface of the Moon she spotted a Coke bottle that was kicked in the right hand side of the picture. This was in the early hours of the morning and she phoned her friends to see if they had seen the same thing, unfortunately they had missed it but were going to watch the rebroadcast the next day. Needless to say, the footage had been edited and the offending Coke bottle had been cut out of the film. But several other viewers had seen the bottle and many articles appeared in The West Australian newspaper.
And you can see people in the Mars picture that lil rover took.
Aliens > Fake Landing.
QuoteProblem is, that I can take a perfectly fine picture, airbrush a perfectly empty little space, and then claim that there was something there.
really? you can hardly operate a computer.
:lol:
And this is how you can tell that Siegebreaker is actually an Arab. "OMG! Conspiracy!"
First off, discount camera estimates. They're assuming the same atmospheric conditions as here on Earth. Ditto for the exhaust cloud; a lot of the exhaust plume's characteristics are determined by atmospheric conditions- I'd recommend double-checking that data with, say, a maker of skywriting equipment for planes.
As for the "coke bottle," considering size and resolution of TVs in 1969, I find it unlikely that any casual TV viewers could have positively IDed debris that small. At 480 scanlines for NTSC, 576 for PAL, considering Aldrin and Armstrong's heights, for one to be completely in the picture and shown kicking a bottle, it would have had to be only a couple pixels high- not nearly big enough to identify it.
As for whether it's touched up, NASA has admitted it has been, by the same crew that restored "Casablanca"; they actually erased the original tape: http://www.statesboroherald.com/news/article/18512/
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 21, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
As for whether it's touched up, NASA has admitted it has been, by the same crew that restored "Casablanca"; they actually erased the original tape: http://www.statesboroherald.com/news/article/18512/
Strictly speaking, they didn't re-use the "original tapes" (which were the slowscan-only video tapes, recorded in Australia); they re-used the backup copies made of the camera feed that was coming in from Australia (ie the ones that included the telemetry data) . At that time, they thought they still had the slowscan-only tapes. Those, however, have been misplaced in the vast storage bureaucracy, straight out of Indiana Jones.
Quote from: grumbler on July 22, 2009, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 21, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
As for whether it's touched up, NASA has admitted it has been, by the same crew that restored "Casablanca"; they actually erased the original tape: http://www.statesboroherald.com/news/article/18512/
Strictly speaking, they didn't re-use the "original tapes" (which were the slowscan-only video tapes, recorded in Australia); they re-used the backup copies made of the camera feed that was coming in from Australia (ie the ones that included the telemetry data) . At that time, they thought they still had the slowscan-only tapes. Those, however, have been misplaced in the vast storage bureaucracy, straight out of Indiana Jones.
Of course, strictly speaking, they didn't erase the tapes. Who would do such a stupid thing and ADMIT to it. The fact that they can't find them just happens to coincide with an accusation that they erased them.
Personally, I think someone leaving NASA cleaned out their vaults. I had heard another story/rumor in the past that the original blueprints for the Saturn rockets were "misplaced" as well.
Doesn't that kind of stuff happen all the time? Alot of the original documents pertaining to the Jack the Ripper case 'vanished' from Scotland Yard, and IIRC at least some of them have since been returned by descendants of people who worked on the case.
Quote from: Caliga on July 22, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
Doesn't that kind of stuff happen all the time? Alot of the original documents pertaining to the Jack the Ripper case 'vanished' from Scotland Yard, and IIRC at least some of them have since been returned by descendants of people who worked on the case.
Probably. My point was simply that there's almost no way the video footage being compared wasn't altered, and that the author was showing a blazing amount of ignorance for trying to claim that the touching-up of the video was a cover-up.
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2009, 07:06:56 AM
:lol:
And this is how you can tell that Siegebreaker is actually an Arab. "OMG! Conspiracy!"
It's funny cause it's true. That's probably why he has the weird obsession with Disney channel chicks. He thinks he suppose to kill them for matzah.
Quote from: Strix on July 22, 2009, 09:57:40 AM
Of course, strictly speaking, they didn't erase the tapes.
Correct. They recorded over them.
QuoteWho would do such a stupid thing and ADMIT to it. The fact that they can't find them just happens to coincide with an accusation that they erased them.
The evidence indicates that they re-used the tapes, as they re-used many others. The people who translate this into "they erased them" are pretty much the people who believe it was all faked, despite all evidence to the contrary.
QuotePersonally, I think someone leaving NASA cleaned out their vaults. I had heard another story/rumor in the past that the original blueprints for the Saturn rockets were "misplaced" as well.
NASA had the tapes back from the archives in the mid-1970s. Dunno why you would speculate on "someone leaving NASA cleaned out their vaults" - in fact, I don't even know what that means. No one kept the complete blueprints for the Saturn V because no one paid the contractors to do it, and contractors don't do things for free. Many/most of the blueprints are still separately available, but only because they were kept to teach/remember specific technical points.
Quote from: grumbler on July 22, 2009, 05:07:07 PM
NASA had the tapes back from the archives in the mid-1970s. Dunno why you would speculate on "someone leaving NASA cleaned out their vaults" - in fact, I don't even know what that means. No one kept the complete blueprints for the Saturn V because no one paid the contractors to do it, and contractors don't do things for free. Many/most of the blueprints are still separately available, but only because they were kept to teach/remember specific technical points.
I didn't know you worked for NASA back in the 70's. Glad you could clear that up for me.
Mythbusters convincingly debunked a couple conspiracy claims in a special (shadows at different angles, footprint too sharp, flag "waving in the wind", austronaut's movements just being shown in slow motion etc.).
However, they could have been paid by NASA and Illuminati to do this show. :tinfoil:
Quote from: Strix on July 22, 2009, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 22, 2009, 05:07:07 PM
NASA had the tapes back from the archives in the mid-1970s. Dunno why you would speculate on "someone leaving NASA cleaned out their vaults" - in fact, I don't even know what that means. No one kept the complete blueprints for the Saturn V because no one paid the contractors to do it, and contractors don't do things for free. Many/most of the blueprints are still separately available, but only because they were kept to teach/remember specific technical points.
I didn't know you worked for NASA back in the 70's. Glad you could clear that up for me.
He's pretty old.
Quote from: Syt on July 22, 2009, 10:49:30 PM
Mythbusters convincingly debunked a couple conspiracy claims in a special (shadows at different angles, footprint too sharp, flag "waving in the wind", austronaut's movements just being shown in slow motion etc.).
However, they could have been paid by NASA and Illuminati to do this show. :tinfoil:
No one claims it's not a very elaborate conspiracy. :tinfoil:
Quote from: grumbler on July 22, 2009, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 21, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
As for whether it's touched up, NASA has admitted it has been, by the same crew that restored "Casablanca"; they actually erased the original tape: http://www.statesboroherald.com/news/article/18512/
Those, however, have been misplaced in the vast storage bureaucracy, straight out of Indiana Jones.
They are not misplaced :rolleyes: They are being examined by top men..
Quote from: Razgovory on July 22, 2009, 03:49:32 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2009, 07:06:56 AM
:lol:
And this is how you can tell that Siegebreaker is actually an Arab. "OMG! Conspiracy!"
It's funny cause it's true. That's probably why he has the weird obsession with Disney channel chicks. He thinks he suppose to kill them for matzah.
Siege should confront Buzz Aldrin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
Quote from: Strix on July 22, 2009, 10:38:59 PM
I didn't know you worked for NASA back in the 70's. Glad you could clear that up for me.
Ah, the old
non sequitur response! Haven't seen one of those in hours. :yawn:
I believe in the moon landing for a very simple reason. It's easier to get there then it is to make every little fucking part of the lie fit.
Humanity is like a running river. Easiest way first.
Quote from: grumbler on July 23, 2009, 06:57:54 AM
Quote from: Strix on July 22, 2009, 10:38:59 PM
I didn't know you worked for NASA back in the 70's. Glad you could clear that up for me.
Ah, the old non sequitur response! Haven't seen one of those in hours. :yawn:
Well, I wanted to avoid making you look bad by pointing out that, strictly speaking, the tapes were indeed erased because anytime that tapes are reused they are magnetically erased to remove all the old information so that it doesn't corrupt the new information. So, I went in a different direction instead.
I am sorry that you cannot understand what "cleaned out the vaults" meant. It's not a difficult phrase to understand. It simply meant that someone leaving NASA via retirement, lay-offs, or what not, may have decided to take home some souvenirs and helped themselves to stuff laying around. While that may seem farfetched it doesn't when you consider NASA thought so highly of the moon landing tapes that they
erased them and reused the tapes for something else.
Quote from: Octavian on July 23, 2009, 05:33:20 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 22, 2009, 03:49:32 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2009, 07:06:56 AM
:lol:
And this is how you can tell that Siegebreaker is actually an Arab. "OMG! Conspiracy!"
It's funny cause it's true. That's probably why he has the weird obsession with Disney channel chicks. He thinks he suppose to kill them for matzah.
Siege should confront Buzz Aldrin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
He would beat me to death.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 23, 2009, 07:05:51 AM
I believe in the moon landing for a very simple reason. It's easier to get there then it is to make every little fucking part of the lie fit.
Humanity is like a running river. Easiest way first.
Exatcly. Easier to fake it than to actually fly humans outside Earth protective magnetic field.
Quote from: Syt on July 22, 2009, 10:49:30 PM
Mythbusters convincingly debunked a couple conspiracy claims in a special (shadows at different angles, footprint too sharp, flag "waving in the wind", austronaut's movements just being shown in slow motion etc.).
However, they could have been paid by NASA and Illuminati to do this show. :tinfoil:
I missed this show.
Easier to do then to fake.
People have trouble keeping their extra marital life secret ffs.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 21, 2009, 06:47:40 AM
QuoteProblem is, that I can take a perfectly fine picture, airbrush a perfectly empty little space, and then claim that there was something there.
really? you can hardly operate a computer.
What are you talking about?
I have been modding strategy games for 10 years now.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 23, 2009, 07:05:51 AM
I believe in the moon landing for a very simple reason. It's easier to get there then it is to make every little fucking part of the lie fit.
Humanity is like a running river. Easiest way first.
Exatcly. Easier to fake it than to actually fly humans outside Earth protective magnetic field.
Not at all.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:29:03 AM
Exatcly. Easier to fake it than to actually fly humans outside Earth protective magnetic field.
Yeah right. Geting even 10 people to keep something secret is almost impossible much less hundreds of thousands.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 23, 2009, 11:29:59 AM
Easier to do then to fake.
People have trouble keeping their extra marital life secret ffs.
No is not.
Have you ever looked at the shielding of the Apollo ships? It was way less than in the current space shuttles, and they can't pass the 350 miles high mark because of the lack of shielding.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 23, 2009, 11:29:59 AM
Easier to do then to fake.
People have trouble keeping their extra marital life secret ffs.
No is not.
Have you ever looked at the shielding of the Apollo ships? It was way less than in the current space shuttles, and they can't pass the 350 miles high mark because of the lack of shielding.
You're a total idiot.
There were different degrees of safety back then.
Quote from: Valmy on July 23, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:29:03 AM
Exatcly. Easier to fake it than to actually fly humans outside Earth protective magnetic field.
Yeah right. Geting even 10 people to keep something secret is almost impossible much less hundreds of thousands.
Pleassse. There weren't hundreds of thousands.
Very few people had the full picture of the operation.
You can be sure that the guys at Houston thought they were talking at a ship orbiting the moon, when in reality they were orbiting Earth.
Quote from: Neil on July 23, 2009, 11:36:36 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 23, 2009, 11:29:59 AM
Easier to do then to fake.
People have trouble keeping their extra marital life secret ffs.
No is not.
Have you ever looked at the shielding of the Apollo ships? It was way less than in the current space shuttles, and they can't pass the 350 miles high mark because of the lack of shielding.
You're a total idiot.
There were different degrees of safety back then.
Sure, people had more resistance to radiation back then.
Its not a problem of degrees, it is a problem of survival.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:38:54 AM
Sure, people had more resistance to radiation back then.
Its not a problem of degrees, it is a problem of survival.
Rather, people weren't cowards back then. Cowards like you.
It's not like they landed on the moon during a solar flare. It's not like space radiation is instantly lethal in small doses, even outside the Van Allen belts, especially with some shielding. It's not like it would be possible to keep a hoax quiet, what with the thousands that would have had to have been in on it, during one of the leakiest governments in history.
So they faked 9 missions to the Moon 6 of which resulted in men walking on the moon and were able to keep all that secret for the last 40 years or so.
Well done!
But why did they bother faking the rest of the visits?
Please Seigy, tell me you have an answer for this.
oh and good job faking the deaths during the development of the space program...
Gus Grissom died! NASA LIED!
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 23, 2009, 01:07:50 PM
So they faked 9 missions to the Moon 6 of which resulted in men walking on the moon and were able to keep all that secret for the last 40 years or so.
Well done!
But why did they bother faking the rest of the visits?
Please Seigy, tell me you have an answer for this.
oh and good job faking the deaths during the development of the space program...
Strawman alert.
Who said anything about faking the deaths?
People died during development, which is why nobody went.
Failure in the moon missions was not an option. There was too much at stake. National survavility, from the point of view of that period.
Why didn't the Soviets fake one too? Or why stop at the moon? Why not fake a mars landing.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 23, 2009, 01:07:50 PM
So they faked 9 missions to the Moon 6 of which resulted in men walking on the moon and were able to keep all that secret for the last 40 years or so.
Well done!
But why did they bother faking the rest of the visits?
Please Seigy, tell me you have an answer for this.
oh and good job faking the deaths during the development of the space program...
Strawman alert.
Who said anything about faking the deaths?
People died during development, which is why nobody went.
Failure in the moon missions was not an option. There was too much at stake. National survavility, from the point of view of that period.
What about the moon rocks they took back to earth, were they all fakes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock
Also, why didn't the Soviets expose the fake? They had the radio and light telescopes to discover falsehoods in the moon landings.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 23, 2009, 01:07:50 PM
So they faked 9 missions to the Moon 6 of which resulted in men walking on the moon and were able to keep all that secret for the last 40 years or so.
Well done!
But why did they bother faking the rest of the visits?
Please Seigy, tell me you have an answer for this.
oh and good job faking the deaths during the development of the space program...
Strawman alert.
Who said anything about faking the deaths?
People died during development, which is why nobody went.
Failure in the moon missions was not an option. There was too much at stake. National survavility, from the point of view of that period.
Siegy the deaths had to do with the fact that the capsule had fundamental design flaws which caused a fire on luanch. Those were fixed. Do you think that putting men into earth orbit was faked too?
By the way, still waiting for an answer about how they faked all the other moon missions and were able to keep all of that quiet.
Arabs like Siege believe that Grissom was going to spill the beans about the unfeasibility of a moon landing, and so he was murdered.
Quote from: Strix on July 23, 2009, 11:10:33 AM
Well, I wanted to avoid making you look bad by pointing out that, strictly speaking, the tapes were indeed erased because anytime that tapes are reused they are magnetically erased to remove all the old information so that it doesn't corrupt the new information. So, I went in a different direction instead.
Well, given that I was agreeing with you, I don't know why you feel the need for the passive-aggressive routine. :mellow:
QuoteI am sorry that you cannot understand what "cleaned out the vaults" meant. It's not a difficult phrase to understand. It simply meant that someone leaving NASA via retirement, lay-offs, or what not, may have decided to take home some souvenirs and helped themselves to stuff laying around. While that may seem farfetched it doesn't when you consider NASA thought so highly of the moon landing tapes that they erased them and reused the tapes for something else.
I am sorry that you cannot understand that "cleaning out the vaults" does not mean, in colloquial American English, someone taking home some souvenirs when they retire. It means that someone or an organization is openly getting rid of old stuff that they have treasured in the past but no longer do. If someone had, as you think possible, taken home some of those tapes, they would certainly have returned them when it was announced that NASA was seeking them.
NASA didn't value these particular tapes as being of historical value because they were the backup tapes and NASA thought the primary tapes existed. Stupid not to have checked, of course, but big organizations tend to be stupid, especially when under budget constraints.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
Have you ever looked at the shielding of the Apollo ships? It was way less than in the current space shuttles, and they can't pass the 350 miles high mark because of the lack of shielding.
The Apollo shielding was designed for a ship passing rather quickly through the Van Allen belt (not "the Earth's magnetic field," as you alleged). It is trivial to demonstrate that the dosage of radiation absorbed by the astronauts was well within safety parameters. The shuttle cannot orbit that high because it would be staying in the field long enough to build up exposure. Surely even you could figure that out.
Siege is an idiot. Film at 11.
I suppose you're a birther too? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Fireblade on July 23, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
Siege is an idiot. Film at 11.
I suppose you're a birther too? :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 07:36:40 PM
Quote from: Fireblade on July 23, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
Siege is an idiot. Film at 11.
I suppose you're a birther too? :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XPCzckUcYY
I present you with two more links, Siegebreaker:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGxm_xANs6M
Quote from: Fireblade on July 23, 2009, 07:52:15 PM
I present you with two more links, Siegebreaker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGxm_xANs6M
Weak.
Arab celebrities go under the knife (or laser) for plastic surgery to look whitey. They do this because they are a bunch of racists, and when/if they become semi-liberal (even their liberals still hate jews), they see western people and assume they are as racist as arabs are, so now they want to be whitey, to be superior, otherwise they cannot get rid of their complex of inferiority when in front of western people.
The mere precense of a westerner makes then feel discriminated.
So, they do a Jacko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2ywlFWeGI&NR=1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew50657Ie24&NR=1
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 08:56:23 PM
(even their liberals still hate jews)
I'm a liberal and I hate Jews.
And I hate them because of you, Siege.
MARG BAR ISRAEL
Quote from: Caliga on July 22, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
Doesn't that kind of stuff happen all the time? Alot of the original documents pertaining to the Jack the Ripper case 'vanished' from Scotland Yard, and IIRC at least some of them have since been returned by descendants of people who worked on the case.
Yeah. The BBC has almost none of its stuff from before the 60s because they re-used tapes.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 23, 2009, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 22, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
Doesn't that kind of stuff happen all the time? Alot of the original documents pertaining to the Jack the Ripper case 'vanished' from Scotland Yard, and IIRC at least some of them have since been returned by descendants of people who worked on the case.
Yeah. The BBC has almost none of its stuff from before the 60s because they re-used tapes.
Yeah, but Britain had some hard times for a while, until Thatcher lifted them out of the mud. Labour was leading them back to barbarism.