Serious question. I know what I want to say to people who are somewhere on the spectrum of anti vaccine ideology, but I'm refraining from doing so as I don't think it will help lead them out of their misguided position. I'm asking you all this question before I say anything to my colleagues at work, many of whom are vocal opponents of taking any of the vaccines for the current corona virus.
I know where a lot of my colleagues fall politically and the conservative "movement" is now reliably anti vaccine to a greater or lesser extent but in my workplace other anti vaccination types are well represented. Less obviously right wing conspiracy theories, theories about experiments on black people and so on and so forth.
I've been loudly mentioning that I'm thrilled that my father will be getting vaccinated today and I've had some pretty negative responses. Lots of genuinely impressed ones and happy ones, but really a lot of cuckoo-bananas horse shit responses.
In a spirit of trying to encourage people to take public health seriously, how should I respond?
Nothing, I don't normally talk to people when I'm kicking them in nuts.
"Avaunt! Whey-faced loons!" :hmm:
Well Pence got vaccinated; or is he also part of the vast post-modern marxist conspiracy?
Tell them they are true patriots for not falling for the looney leftist autism injections.
tell them your stocks in companies that sell small coffins are rising.
Quote from: mongers on December 19, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Nothing, I don't normally talk to people when I'm kicking them in nuts.
English law-talkers, is assault legal? :huh:
Depends on the branch of lunacy and how deep they are.
Life is chemicals does it for me.
And
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Don't think I actually know anyone. Doubtless absolute tonnes from school on Facebook if I checked though :ph34r:
I'm counting on the anti vaxxers letting me get vaccinated a lot sooner than I would otherwise.
When my sister starts on her anti-vaxx stuff I just comment how selfish her position is, relying on others to get vaccinated to protect her and her family. She gets off the topic immediately.
Quote from: grumbler on December 19, 2020, 03:16:29 PM
When my sister starts on her anti-vaxx stuff I just comment how selfish her position is, relying on others to get vaccinated to protect her and her family. She gets off the topic immediately.
She probably isn't being selfish, just stupid.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 19, 2020, 03:20:24 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 19, 2020, 03:16:29 PM
When my sister starts on her anti-vaxx stuff I just comment how selfish her position is, relying on others to get vaccinated to protect her and her family. She gets off the topic immediately.
She probably isn't being selfish, just stupid.
She is absolutely being selfish.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 19, 2020, 03:20:24 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 19, 2020, 03:16:29 PM
When my sister starts on her anti-vaxx stuff I just comment how selfish her position is, relying on others to get vaccinated to protect her and her family. She gets off the topic immediately.
She probably isn't being selfish, just stupid.
She's being both. Just like the "face diaper" brigade.
I will get vaccinated myself. What other people want to do is their own business, so long as they don't meddle with mine. I have nothing to say to them.
I haven't encountered any beyond seeing strangers on the internet being nutjobs. What I'd say depends a lot on the circumstances. In a work environment for instance I try to avoid political discussions.
I was ready to stomp on mono b/c of herd immunity, but then I stopped. Herd immunity is a benefit to those not vaccinated, right?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 19, 2020, 06:51:06 PM
I was ready to stomp on mono b/c of herd immunity, but then I stopped. Herd immunity is a benefit to those not vaccinated, right?
You should stomp on mono. Not everyone who relies on herd immunity has a choice. For example, inmuno-compromised people can't be inoculated with attenuated (live) viruses. And of course there are many people for whom a vaccine won't actually work (and there's usually no way to tell if it does anyway).
Mono is doing his part by getting the vaccine. Not his job to coerce others to do the same.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 19, 2020, 06:51:06 PM
I was ready to stomp on mono b/c of herd immunity, but then I stopped. Herd immunity is a benefit to those not vaccinated, right?
Not exclusively. The vaccine is not perfectly effective, so just like with masks, the total protection is a compound effect of improving your armor as well as degrading others' weapons.
Quote from: chipwich on December 19, 2020, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 19, 2020, 03:20:24 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 19, 2020, 03:16:29 PM
When my sister starts on her anti-vaxx stuff I just comment how selfish her position is, relying on others to get vaccinated to protect her and her family. She gets off the topic immediately.
She probably isn't being selfish, just stupid.
She is absolutely being selfish.
If she thinks that vaccines are effective and wants everyone else to get vaccinated so she gets the benefit of an immune society, then yes she is being selfish.
If she thinks that vaccines are rubbish or even actively harmful, then she is just stupid. In that case, telling people not to get vaccinated isn't selfish, it is just profound ignorance. From her perspective, speaking her "truth" about vaccines is altruistic, and she is probably something of a hero and martyr considering that people with education like grumbler look down on her for spreading the message.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 19, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
Mono is doing his part by getting the vaccine. Not his job to coerce others to do the same.
I think that HK has public health officials who do that job. Nothing Mono has said leads us to believe that he works in public health.
Mono is doing his part by getting the vaccine, and public health officials are doing their part by keeping track of who isn't, and then finding them, roping them, and tying them off before jabbing them.
I'd argue for branding them, as well. Not for failing to get the vaccine, but for being the kinds of assholes that fail to get the vaccine.
To answer the thread question: a heartfelt "Fuck you".
I think the non-insane part of society will have to figure out how to productively deal with brainwashed zombies, and I don't think we have yet. We can't just politely ignore the fact that some people have completely departed reality in order to avoid conflict, but saying "fuck you" is probably not going to be productive either.
Of course, but I am not the right person to convince or coerce them, so I guess expressing my disdain of their choices is all I can do.
Private and public actors here are allowed to ask for vaccinations as a precondition for contracts, so I expect that at least airlines etc. will require this eventually...
Do we have any anti-vaxxers here?
Quote from: Razgovory on December 20, 2020, 01:52:05 PM
Do we have any anti-vaxxers here?
I don't like Vax hoovers, they suck, does that count?