2020 is old and busted. Let's talk about how 2024 will work. Who will try to stop Trump getting his rightful third term?
https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1205211276005101568
QuoteI'll be on @seanhannity 2nite @FoxNews at 9pm ET and will explain how @realDonaldTrump will be eligible for a 3rd term due to the illegal attempts by Comey, Dems, and media , et al attempting to oust him as @POTUS so that's why I was named to head up the 2024 re-election.
How is doing something allowed in the Constitution illegal?
With luck Trump might become senile, which would make him a better president in the third and fourth terms.
Good idea, it makes it easier to just switch to Jr when Donnie dies in 2023 because he's so very old.
Are you really that surprised, every time the Republicans label something the Democrats propose, do, argue, as "illegal"?
Republicans have been engaged in a full battle to delegitimize their opponents for years now - tarring them as illegal, illegitimate, corrupt, treasonous, engaged in conspiracies, un-American, foreign, secretly plotting the overthrow of what "real" America thinks, wants, and feels. Whether or not something is constitutional, allowed, healthy for a democracy, legitimate, etc. has no relevance to the onslaught against the very notion of legitimate opposition. This is why it is, and should be, extremely concerning - and why the possibility of the third term, another political talking point, is not to be dismissed lightly.
This entire thing is just fucking fascinating.
Maybe this right here is the answer to the Fermi paradox.
I never got the Black Eyed Peas.
I SO told you guys.
Quote from: The Brain on December 13, 2019, 10:17:34 AM
With luck Trump might become senile, which would make him a better president in the third and fourth terms.
Henry VI was definitely a better king when he was in his drooling stupors. :hmm:
Quote from: Oexmelin on December 13, 2019, 10:19:28 AM
Are you really that surprised, every time the Republicans label something the Democrats propose, do, argue, as "illegal"?
Republicans have been engaged in a full battle to delegitimize their opponents for years now - tarring them as illegal, illegitimate, corrupt, treasonous, engaged in conspiracies, un-American, foreign, secretly plotting the overthrow of what "real" America thinks, wants, and feels. Whether or not something is constitutional, allowed, healthy for a democracy, legitimate, etc. has no relevance to the onslaught against the very notion of legitimate opposition. This is why it is, and should be, extremely concerning - and why the possibility of the third term, another political talking point, is not to be dismissed lightly.
One wonders how far the Republicans are from declaring that elections are suspect and should be suspended until appropriately fixed - pun intended.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 13, 2019, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on December 13, 2019, 10:19:28 AM
Are you really that surprised, every time the Republicans label something the Democrats propose, do, argue, as "illegal"?
Republicans have been engaged in a full battle to delegitimize their opponents for years now - tarring them as illegal, illegitimate, corrupt, treasonous, engaged in conspiracies, un-American, foreign, secretly plotting the overthrow of what "real" America thinks, wants, and feels. Whether or not something is constitutional, allowed, healthy for a democracy, legitimate, etc. has no relevance to the onslaught against the very notion of legitimate opposition. This is why it is, and should be, extremely concerning - and why the possibility of the third term, another political talking point, is not to be dismissed lightly.
One wonders how far the Republicans are from declaring that elections are suspect and should be suspended until appropriately fixed - pun intended.
With so many million illegal votes being cast, we don't want to take any risks, do we?
Oh, absolutely. Remember when Trump said he may not recognize Clinton if she won? The seeds of that line of thinking have been planted. Frum is right when we've says conservatives had to ask themselves if they loved conservatism or democracy more - and they are choosing conservatism.
Jesus wept.
Quote from: Oexmelin on December 13, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
Oh, absolutely. Remember when Trump said he may not recognize Clinton if she won? The seeds of that line of thinking have been planted. Frum is right when we've says conservatives had to ask themselves if they loved conservatism or democracy more - and they are choosing democracy.
You mean they are choosing conservatism, I assume. And if so, I agree.
I think they're choosing "power" over "conservatism", but otherwise I agree.
Quote from: Malthus on December 13, 2019, 01:32:07 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on December 13, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
Oh, absolutely. Remember when Trump said he may not recognize Clinton if she won? The seeds of that line of thinking have been planted. Frum is right when we've says conservatives had to ask themselves if they loved conservatism or democracy more - and they are choosing democracy.
You mean they are choosing conservatism, I assume. And if so, I agree.
Yes. I have corrected the original message. Thank you.
"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." - David Frum
I have followed Frum on Twitter for a while now. He has a lot of interesting things to say, pretty much daily.
While we are talking about Frum quotes, this one from Trumpocracy is just depressing as all hell. Especially for someone like me - a pragmatic moderate who believes in the ideals, however imperfect, of the American myth...(my emphasis)
Quote"The government of the United States seems to have made common cause with the planet's thugs, crooks, and dictators against its own ideals—and in fact to have imported the spirit of thuggery, crookedness, and dictatorship into the very core of the American state, into the most solemn symbolic oval center of its law and liberty. The man inside that oval center did not act alone. He held his power with the connivance of others. They executed his orders and empowered his whims for crass and cowardly reasons of their own: partisanship, ambition, greed for gain, eagerness for attention, ideological zeal, careerist conformity, or—in the worst cases—malicious glee in the wreck of things they could never have built themselves. They claim the symbols of the republic as they subvert its institutions. They pin the flag to their lapels before commencing the day's work of lying, obstructing, and corrupting. They speak for America to a world that remembers a different and better America. But that memory is already fading into a question of whether it was not perhaps always an illusion, whether this new regime of deceit and brutishness will not only form the future—but whether it also retrospectively discredits the American past"
― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
Well America is certainly no longer a credible partner.
The cover of a recent Economist made the same point.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 13, 2019, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 13, 2019, 10:17:34 AM
With luck Trump might become senile, which would make him a better president in the third and fourth terms.
Henry VI was definitely a better king when he was in his drooling stupors. :hmm:
So why isn't Trump a better president in his?
He's still able to formulate commands.
Update: Huckabee says it was all a big joke! Just trolling! LOL CANT BELIEVE THE EXTREME LEFT AND SUSAN RICE BOUGHT MY JOKE! HAHA!
Unless...
April Fools! He got us there! :XD:
Lolz that trolling jokester Huckabee
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2019, 03:36:09 PM
Lolz that trolling jokester Huckabee
HA GOT EM THOSE LIBTARDS
Pretty obvious this is testing the waters/conditioning the market. Trump's MO from the start has been to push past boundaries and establish as tolerable behavior that had always been regarded as beyond the pale.
I doubt Trump had a hand in it, probably Huckabee trying to curry favor in hopes of an appointment or attention whoring to further his media career.
Quote from: grumbler on December 14, 2019, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 13, 2019, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 13, 2019, 10:17:34 AM
With luck Trump might become senile, which would make him a better president in the third and fourth terms.
Henry VI was definitely a better king when he was in his drooling stupors. :hmm:
So why isn't Trump a better president in his?
Henry VI had somewhat better advisers and definitely better surrogates and wasn't a horrible human while coherent.