US Elections 2024

[Habbaku]

I think they're choosing "power" over "conservatism", but otherwise I agree.

[Oexmelin]

Oh, absolutely. Remember when Trump said he may not recognize Clinton if she won? The seeds of that line of thinking have been planted. Frum is right when we've says conservatives had to ask themselves if they loved conservatism or democracy more - and they are choosing democracy.

You mean they are choosing conservatism, I assume. And if so, I agree.

Yes. I have corrected the original message. Thank you.

[Berkut]

"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." - David Frum

[crazy canuck]

I have followed Frum on Twitter for a while now.  He has a lot of interesting things to say, pretty much daily.

[Berkut]

While we are talking about Frum quotes, this one from Trumpocracy is just depressing as all hell. Especially for someone like me - a pragmatic moderate who believes in the ideals, however imperfect, of the American myth...(my emphasis)

"The government of the United States seems to have made common cause with the planet's thugs, crooks, and dictators against its own ideals—and in fact to have imported the spirit of thuggery, crookedness, and dictatorship into the very core of the American state, into the most solemn symbolic oval center of its law and liberty. The man inside that oval center did not act alone. He held his power with the connivance of others. They executed his orders and empowered his whims for crass and cowardly reasons of their own: partisanship, ambition, greed for gain, eagerness for attention, ideological zeal, careerist conformity, or—in the worst cases—malicious glee in the wreck of things they could never have built themselves. They claim the symbols of the republic as they subvert its institutions. They pin the flag to their lapels before commencing the day's work of lying, obstructing, and corrupting. They speak for America to a world that remembers a different and better America. But that memory is already fading into a question of whether it was not perhaps always an illusion, whether this new regime of deceit and brutishness will not only form the future—but whether it also retrospectively discredits the American past"
― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic

[The Brain]

Well America is certainly no longer a credible partner.

[crazy canuck]

The cover of a recent Economist made the same point.

[grumbler]

With luck Trump might become senile, which would make him a better president in the third and fourth terms.

Henry VI was definitely a better king when he was in his drooling stupors. 

So why isn't Trump a better president in his?

[Eddie Teach]

He's still able to formulate commands.

[Habbaku]

Update: Huckabee says it was all a big joke! Just trolling! LOL CANT BELIEVE THE EXTREME LEFT AND SUSAN RICE BOUGHT MY JOKE! HAHA!

[Eddie Teach]

Unless...

[The Brain]

April Fools! He got us there!

[Valmy]

Lolz that trolling jokester Huckabee

[Habbaku]

Lolz that trolling jokester Huckabee

HA GOT EM THOSE LIBTARDS

[The Minsky Moment]

Pretty obvious this is testing the waters/conditioning the market.  Trump's MO from the start has been to push past boundaries and establish as tolerable behavior that had always been regarded as beyond the pale.