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I was listening to the "History of the Crusades" podcast.  The narratrix referred to the expedition led by Peter the Hermit as "The Peasant's Crusade," but she explained at the end of the episode that most modern scholarship refers to the event as "The People's Crusade."  When I had first started reading about the crusades most of the books referred to it as "The Peasant's Crusade," and that's been my preference since; but "The People's Crusade" is probably more accurate as there were some fighting men on the crusade, not just peasants.  (Though "People's Crusade", to me, makes it sound like it should be led by Dennis the Constitutional Peasant and the council of his Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune.)

(The other two choices come from Wikipedia, I've never encountered them elsewhere.)

People's Crusade? No that just doesn't work at all. It sounds like they are trying to seize power from the Muslim Bourgeoisie

The People's Crusade sounds inadvertently hilarious.  :D

I've always known it as the "Peasant's Crusade". 

Over here I've always heard "the paupers' crusade" (cruzada de los pobres) but scholarly referred simply as "Peter the Hermit's crusade" (cruzada de Pedro el Ermitaño).

Quote from: Savonarola on June 21, 2019, 12:23:04 PM
I was listening to the "History of the Crusades" podcast.  The narratrix referred to the expedition led by Peter the Hermit as "The Peasant's Crusade," but she explained at the end of the episode that most modern scholarship refers to the event as "The People's Crusade."  When I had first started reading about the crusades most of the books referred to it as "The Peasant's Crusade," and that's been my preference since; but "The People's Crusade" is probably more accurate as there were some fighting men on the crusade, not just peasants.  (Though "People's Crusade", to me, makes it sound like it should be led by Dennis the Constitutional Peasant and the council of his Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune.)

(The other two choices come from Wikipedia, I've never encountered them elsewhere.)

Always heard/read "Peasant's crusade".  It does not exclude that there would be fighters too, just like it was not excluded in other crusades that there could have been peasants with fighters, it was just not the bulk for the force, well the movement.

Quote from: Valmy on June 21, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
People's Crusade? No that just doesn't work at all. It sounds like they are trying to seize power from the Muslim Bourgeoisie

I'm no expert on the crusades but the medieval and renaissance periods did have a fair amount of utopian proto communist movements so.... Wouldnt be that far fetched.

Quote from: Tyr on June 21, 2019, 02:24:14 PM

Quote from: Valmy on June 21, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
People's Crusade? No that just doesn't work at all. It sounds like they are trying to seize power from the Muslim Bourgeoisie

I'm no expert on the crusades but the medieval and renaissance periods did have a fair amount of utopian proto communist movements so.... Wouldnt be that far fetched.

Yes it would be far fetched (and the Renaissance? WTF? three hundred years later?) but even if it were not, we are not talking about these imaginary movements now are we? We are talking about the Peasant's Crusade.

Quote from: Valmy on June 21, 2019, 02:33:03 PM

Quote from: Tyr on June 21, 2019, 02:24:14 PM

Quote from: Valmy on June 21, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
People's Crusade? No that just doesn't work at all. It sounds like they are trying to seize power from the Muslim Bourgeoisie

I'm no expert on the crusades but the medieval and renaissance periods did have a fair amount of utopian proto communist movements so.... Wouldnt be that far fetched.

Yes it would be far fetched (and the Renaissance? WTF? three hundred years later?) but even if it were not, we are not talking about these imaginary movements now are we? We are talking about the Peasant's Crusade.

They aren't imaginary, they're pretty accepted to have existed. The German peasants war is the most prominent example.

Quote from: Valmy on June 21, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
People's Crusade? No that just doesn't work at all. It sounds like they are trying to seize power from the Muslim Bourgeoisie

:wub: Going radical à la Saint-Just/Robespierre...  :lol:

Quote from: Savonarola on June 21, 2019, 12:23:04 PM
I was listening to the "History of the Crusades" podcast.  The narratrix referred to the expedition led by Peter the Hermit as "The Peasant's Crusade," but she explained at the end of the episode that most modern scholarship refers to the event as "The People's Crusade."  When I had first started reading about the crusades most of the books referred to it as "The Peasant's Crusade," and that's been my preference since; but "The People's Crusade" is probably more accurate as there were some fighting men on the crusade, not just peasants.  (Though "People's Crusade", to me, makes it sound like it should be led by Dennis the Constitutional Peasant and the council of his Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune.)

(The other two choices come from Wikipedia, I've never encountered them elsewhere.)

Grumbler refers to it as "my trip to Anatolia".

No strong opinion.

Peasant's Crusade, to go along with the title of the one after: the Princes' Crusade.

Quote from: celedhring on June 21, 2019, 01:11:39 PM
Over here I've always heard "the paupers' crusade" (cruzada de los pobres) but scholarly referred simply as "Peter the Hermit's crusade" (cruzada de Pedro el Ermitaño).

As an aside, Walter Sans Avoir is sometimes (mis)translated into English as "Walter the Penniless".