Lately, I've been taking the opportunity summer affords to wander through some of Toronto's many graveyards - and, with my phone, I've taken a few pictures of some of the odder things I've seen. I'll post them here from time to time, because why not?
This one is from the graveyard nearest my house - it has only the one word on it (both front and back). Nothing else - no dates, no names, nothing. Odd family name? Just making some sort of Statement? I have no idea.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgHF9maE.jpg&hash=f3f6b1eec74fea288eba5d05b660cb18a7c17f94) (http://imgur.com/gHF9maE)
Strange aeons?
This is from London, actually. A truly odd mixture of styles, in picturesque decay.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQ2mmqSd.jpg&hash=e8ff1f49b98901bc1d0cfab09a9583aa185a444a) (http://imgur.com/Q2mmqSd)
I guess you have to do something with that burial plot you reserved after you discover the secret to eternal life.
The death one is pretty cool. I take strange comfort from it. :)
Quote from: Valmy on July 10, 2017, 01:26:17 PM
I guess you have to do something with that burial plot you reserved after you discover the secret to eternal life.
That
would explain the victory symbolism in the frame ... :hmm:
Another oddity - this sculpture is of what appears to be a weeping naked devil, doing a facepalm, crouching on a tall pillar in Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Toronto. No names or dates on it, though there is a place framed already for an inscription - none has been added.
Again, what this is supposed to be about I have no clue.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgVxOB04.jpg&hash=ec918c455516035df9e05d98c4df52c4dd74566a) (http://imgur.com/gVxOB04)
That was a fake grave to fool the devil.
baby grave devil playing peek-a-boo.
One that actually caused me to mourn: my wife and I made a pilgrimage to see the grave of the priest who performed our marriage ceremony (and whom I had known a bit). Turns out it is - incredibly elaborate:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F1k9Af0p.jpg&hash=07276166e86c05ec89b89f3cc3447db71aced079) (http://imgur.com/1k9Af0p)
Lots of funny stories about this guy.
I first met him in my wife-to-be's bedroom.
I've undoubtedly told this story before, but in brief: I was sitting with her in her room minding my own business. Her parents were out.
Suddenly, the door to her room pops open and this elderly, bearded man jumps in, wearing an elaborate robe. He sees me and swings what looks like a miniature silver mace directly at my head. It doesn't hit me, but put of holes in the mace comes squirting a stream of water, which hits me right in the face. Smiling in satisfaction, but without saying a word, the guy departs the way he had come, closing the door behind him.
I was pretty surprised. And wet.
What this was, apparently, was a ceremony they do every year to bless the house with holy water - seeing me in her bedroom, naturally he couldn't resist.
so he wasn't trying to exorcise you of Jewish demons?
Growing up my family was friends with a priest. A well known when in the Portuguese community. He was well loved, and funny, and I have fond memories of him (he baptized me with water he brought back from the river Jordon, probably wasted on a now atheist me :lol: ). He also had several mistresses that people knew of, or at least suspected, but no one really cared. Ah, the catholic church.
Quote from: HVC on July 10, 2017, 02:29:35 PM
so he wasn't trying to exorcise you of Jewish demons?
Growing up my family was friends with a priest. A well known when in the Portuguese community. He was well loved, and funny, and I have fond memories of him (he baptized me with water he brought back from the river Jordon, probably wasted on a now atheist me :lol: ). He also had several mistresses that people knew of, or at least suspected, but no one really cared. Ah, the catholic church.
Nope, I think he just though it was funny. 'Look, She's in there with a boyfriend - I'll cool him off' sort of thing. :lol:
It certainly counts as one of the more surprising moments of my life. Apparently this guy had a strict schedule of when he would show up to scatter water about. Her parents had plans to go away that day, so they just told him where the key to the side door was and he let himself in. There I was, in a locked house, when this fellow comes in through the door of my GF's bedroom like a jack-in-the-box just as we were getting in the mood. :lol: We had not heard him letting himself in.
Not being Catholic, I had never heard of this blessing ritual and the sudden appearance of a bearded priest in full regalia was startling to say the least; hitting me in the face with a water thingie was just a further oddity. The sudden appearance of
aliens wouldn't have been any weirder.
Edit: the miniature mace thing that squirts water is called an "aspergillum".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergillum
Speaking of my in-laws and their religion, I drew a Christian icon for my mother-in-law for her 79th birthday present. She liked it!
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqXDlQe4.jpg&hash=60446a790787c4ffe6043281e62fa9210bd18f5b) (http://imgur.com/qXDlQe4)
Making graven images Malthus? Tsk tsk.
Iconotastic!
Next thing you know Malthus will not be honoring his father and mother.
Quote from: Valmy on July 10, 2017, 02:59:07 PM
Making graven images Malthus? Tsk tsk.
Hey, I'm not worshipping this thing. I gave it to someone else to worship. :D
Damn. Never attempt to cite laws to lawyers :blush:
Quote from: Valmy on July 10, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Damn. Never attempt to cite laws to lawyers :blush:
He's tempting others to worship though, that's gotta be pretty bad too.
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2017, 02:21:13 PM
I've undoubtedly told this story before, but in brief: I was sitting with her in her room minding my own business. Her parents were out.
Then you were doing it wrong. ;)
An Icon made by a Jew. There's something not right about that. :ph34r:
But to be honest I suspect that most new icons in Russia now are coming from some factory in China.
Quote from: Archy on July 11, 2017, 05:30:47 AM
An Icon made by a Jew. There's something not right about that. :ph34r:
But to be honest I suspect that most new icons in Russia now are coming from some factory in China.
An Atheist* Jew. The worst kind of Jew. :P
*Well, something of a pantheist. Footnote added to annoy Berkut. :D
Speaking of religious art, here's a medieval-early Renaissance prayer bead:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F76PPifc.jpg&hash=25b48ef37e5e703bf331d2767e43120aba4995e7) (http://imgur.com/76PPifc)
Amazingly lifelike skull - this is very small, the size of a dollar coin. It opens up and there's a whole scene carved on the inside!
Is it from a midget?
Quote from: The Brain on July 11, 2017, 10:57:28 AM
Is it from a midget?
WHo would carve a medeival scene on the inside of a midget. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Barrister on July 11, 2017, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 11, 2017, 10:57:28 AM
Is it from a midget?
WHo would carve a medeival scene on the inside of a midget. :rolleyes:
another but very handy midget
This one is cute - there is a herd of deer that visit the nearby cemetery. It is odd to think that there is a herd of wild deer living two blocks from my house, when I live in the middle of a big city - but here they are.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGZb6uBp.jpg&hash=a172689ecdf575cdbe65a178586e287462117050) (http://imgur.com/GZb6uBp)
Yeah Deer live all throughout my city as well. I have noticed as the decades have gone by they have gotten very good at avoiding cars. Natural Selection at work?
Quote from: Valmy on July 12, 2017, 09:58:42 AM
Yeah Deer live all throughout my city as well. I have noticed as the decades have gone by they have gotten very good at avoiding cars. Natural Selection at work?
The cemetery also has, apparently, packs of wild coyotes that prey on the deer - or at least, there are signs warning you that they will prey on your little dogs if you let them run around off the leash.
A couple of months ago, a bear was found wandering through backyards (the other side of the city).
Pretty soon, we'll see them commuting on the subway. No doubt looking as miserable as everyone else. :lol:
I forgot to add this pic of the "blank" inscription plate on the crying devil monument.
Why make a monument with no inscription? Weird.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8hdKwkT.jpg&hash=15c1a532389561fa753d859ae27762fc91042841) (http://imgur.com/8hdKwkT)
Inscriptions aren't exactly free.
compared to the monument itself? :hmm:
Maybe the monument was built before the person died.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 13, 2017, 10:23:55 AM
Maybe the monument was built before the person died.
I'm not certain it was intended as an actual individual grave marker. For one, it was built right next to the road into the cemetery. My impression is it was one of those markers you occasionally see that mark some group, society, fraternity or issue. The graveyard is full of those (often for obscure - to me at least - societies).
Example: The Canadian Order of the Woodmen of the World memorial.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIdOzboV.jpg&hash=59dc3db7609345dcbafdef547e57ed7482e0510c) (http://imgur.com/IdOzboV)
Don't you just hate it when people bother you when you are trying to read a good book? ;)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYfcx36U.jpg&hash=3ad778a6f63f5474496859db1b9aca668067b651) (http://imgur.com/Yfcx36U)
When I sit and read history books crippled chicks always come up to me and beg me to let them blow me.
Quote from: The Brain on July 13, 2017, 03:53:23 PM
When I sit and read history books crippled chicks always come up to me and beg me to let them blow me.
Yes, but have you ever immortalized this scene in stone? :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2017, 04:07:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 13, 2017, 03:53:23 PM
When I sit and read history books crippled chicks always come up to me and beg me to let them blow me.
Yes, but have you ever immortalized this scene in stone? :hmm:
All lived history matters.
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2017, 04:07:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 13, 2017, 03:53:23 PM
When I sit and read history books crippled chicks always come up to me and beg me to let them blow me.
Yes, but have you ever immortalized this scene in stone? :hmm:
No. :(
I don't have my Vienna Central Cemetery photos anymore (really need to go again some time), but here's a few examples.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sagen.at%2Ffotos%2Fdata%2F551%2Ffriedhof31.jpg&hash=4664b474a461816a99a04f1de22fb99edfed3b79)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euxus.de%2Fwien%2Fa800%2F56080009-zentralfriedhof-wien-mercedes.jpg&hash=5f9397a61dcbc0d7f4c56d6e04ced1dbbad22257)
"Uniting" herself with death:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websteiner.com%2Fprojekte%2Fzentralfriedhof%2Fzentralfriedhof_028.jpg&hash=cb7007d928a1b45054bc7894664e23a80bfc8a39)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.viennatouristguide.at%2FFriedhoefe%2FZentralfriedhof%2FGraeber%2FB_graeber%2FHrdlicka%2FB_hrdlicka%2Fhrdl_bronze_seiteli_kl.jpg&hash=fc4f22ff1bcf9008ae7747c35cc1ac725ee85664)
(https://thegap.at/wp-content/uploads/converted/galerien/website/2015/08_August/zentralfriedhof/19_Walter_Malli-683x1024.jpg)
(https://cdn-az.allevents.in/banners/df54dbb1b9970159612ef702e9c7820a)
But there's also the really sad ones.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zechmeisterstein.at%2Fdoc%2F2721869%2Fs%2F392%2F479%2FGrabKindergrab.JPG&hash=d4dbdc3786c96dcfa5a2da6d66bec7fb778db00d)
Wow! Those are some awesome pics! :cool:
I would love to see the cemeteries of Vienna. By all accounts, they are amazing.
Vienna Central Cemetery is by far the largest, with more "residents" than live in the city. Lots of 19th century sculptures, too.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prater.at%2FBilder%2FRedaktion%2F2014%2FL1010161.JPG&hash=190432002a99a6ca974f8871e134d36521bc55d4)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marschler.at%2Fgrabmale-skulpturen%2Fzentralfriedhof-herbeck.jpg&hash=b9ba62c30ad178dab02feb47ba4c4b6732b40c3c)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euxus.de%2Fwien%2Fa800%2F56040023-franz-freiherr-von-john-grab.jpg&hash=9ce257ae0e58ee96e12222a9c6e77652e82a0249)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euxus.de%2Fwien%2Fa800%2F56040013-franz-schubert-grab.jpg&hash=85c92741905eb0b69db725a23b0cb4c8ac21e512)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.euxus.de%2Fwien%2Fa800%2F56040175-josef-strauss-grab.jpg&hash=d8825b5e1d1915f895d72af8f3b7d60bd3da19f9)
It's multi-confessional and has Jewish, Orthodox, Buddhist, Muslim, and other sections.
http://www.viennatouristguide.at/Friedhoefe/Zentralfriedhof/Plan/B_Rest/gruenX.jpg
It's home to wildlife, and it's a wonderful park.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Central_Cemetery
QuoteThe Vienna Central Cemetery (German: Wiener Zentralfriedhof) is one of the largest cemeteries in the world by number of interred, and is the most famous cemetery among Vienna's nearly 50 cemeteries.
Well, I'm sold.
I've always wanted to go to Vienna, and this is the icing on the cake! :)
Seriously, I may do a vacation there in the next year or so. The central cemetery will definitely be on the itinerary. There is so much to see in Vienna, I imagine, that the only problem will be getting enough time ...
Quote from: The Brain on July 13, 2017, 03:53:23 PM
When I sit and read history books crippled chicks always come up to me and beg me to let them blow me.
Do they look like George Washington?
Quote from: derspiess on July 14, 2017, 09:05:53 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 13, 2017, 03:53:23 PM
When I sit and read history books crippled chicks always come up to me and beg me to let them blow me.
Do they look like George Washington?
Rarely.
Could be worse, then.
Some London cemetery pics from last Christmas:
My best friend, in her favorite cemetery (Kensal Green):
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F600sa2q.jpg&hash=53ac61477f5d9ef1288ef47418bf90e779c3ac23) (http://imgur.com/600sa2q)
My son, same place:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fj7sLF1k.jpg&hash=540ffbcce41d89c0c6f3207341fc82f6985eced1) (http://imgur.com/j7sLF1k)
that last picture made me feel old.
Carl is getting to be big.
Yup, he's a big boy now - nearly a teen! Two more years. :cry:
Dang. We're old :mellow:
Might as well add to this old thread a couple more:
I love how this fellow is described as "truest friend and noblest foe":
(https://i.imgur.com/xckX6Xj.jpg)
Well, I should hope he is:
(https://i.imgur.com/VMR5BMR.jpg)
La Recoleta cemetery in Buenos Aires is awesome. Recommended. I posted a few pics som time ago in TBR.
Quote from: Malthus on July 20, 2017, 07:29:41 AM
Yup, he's a big boy now - nearly a teen! Two more years. :cry:
Wow, I feel old. Time flies....
From Niagara On The Lake, an extremely old (well, by North American standards) gravestone:
(https://i.imgur.com/apWDew9.jpg)
One more - I kinda like this little fellow, hopping on an old gravestone covered with lichen.
(https://i.imgur.com/E1NVUO4.jpg)
Lovely! :)
Quote from: The Brain on June 27, 2018, 07:11:25 AM
Lovely! :)
Thanks!
It is funny to think that here, these pass as really, really old ... in Europe, they'd probably be thought pretty modern. :D
I don't know. Europe tends to dig up their cemeteries every so often. Unless you were rich and important your grave is probably long gone.
Or maybe it is just France who does that.
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2018, 09:32:59 AM
I don't know. Europe tends to dig up their cemeteries every so often. Unless you were rich and important your grave is probably long gone.
Or maybe it is just France who does that.
I suppose it depends on where - in Winchester, there were some truly ancient graves to see in the graveyard. Also, in the Cathedrals, lots of ancient monuments.
Quote from: Malthus on June 28, 2018, 07:36:25 AM
Also, in the Cathedrals, lots of ancient monuments.
When I was young and naïve, I thought that Notre Dame in Paris was the best cathedral because it wasn't cluttered up with lots of old monuments and memorials etc like a lot of other cathedrals in europe. Then I found out it used to be, but the French Revolution cleaned them out.
The French Revolution: spring cleaning for Catholic churches. :)
Yeah it could be just France. They have these bone pits or ossuaries where they will dump the old bones after awhile once people stop visiting the grave. The Paris catacombs has rooms and rooms of ancient human remains that once filled the cemeteries of Paris. I just figured that made a ton of sense in a country as densely populated and old as France and figured it must be common in Europe but maybe not.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 28, 2018, 07:50:59 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 28, 2018, 07:36:25 AM
Also, in the Cathedrals, lots of ancient monuments.
When I was young and naïve, I thought that Notre Dame in Paris was the best cathedral because it wasn't cluttered up with lots of old monuments and memorials etc like a lot of other cathedrals in europe. Then I found out it used to be, but the French Revolution cleaned them out.
The French Revolution: spring cleaning for Catholic churches. :)
And whatever the Revolution did not clean out the Communards burned :menace:
A standard grave in Sweden typically gets recycled after a few decades if there's no one who keeps paying for it. Many graveyards are 500-900 years old, you're not gonna get a virgin spot (sometimes they get extended sure, you could get lucky). Now just because a grave gets reused doesn't mean you toss the stone, you can often find old stones collected in a corner of the graveyard. Graves that are somehow significant tend to be kept undisturbed but I don't know the exact typical mechanism for this.
Not really a *morbid* monument, but interesting nonetheless -- this series of balanced rocks someone put in the Humber river, in Etienne Brule park, near my house in Toronto (took while out walking with the family).
(https://i.imgur.com/svkTN5f.jpg)
Out for an evening stroll in the local cemetery, we saw a lot of wildlife: several rabbits, a coyote slinking across the path, and a flock of deer. Only the last stayed put long enough to take a few pictures, though at extreme zoom at twilight they are a bit grainy:
(https://i.imgur.com/8T2MAAv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/asIQbgI.jpg)
Nice. :) You can observe wildlife on the Vienna main cemetery (Zentralfriedhof), too. It's basically a huge park area.
Quote from: Valmy on June 28, 2018, 09:07:11 AM
Yeah it could be just France. They have these bone pits or ossuaries where they will dump the old bones after awhile once people stop visiting the grave. The Paris catacombs has rooms and rooms of ancient human remains that once filled the cemeteries of Paris. I just figured that made a ton of sense in a country as densely populated and old as France and figured it must be common in Europe but maybe not.
Here it's typically the more recent ones that get cleaned out. Cemetery plots aren't sold anymore, but rented out.
When the lease (typically 20 years) lapses and the family doesn't respond, the grave is removed and the contents placed in a pit.
Old, monumental tombs are typically left alone.
One town council recently floated the idea of covering an existing, but full, cemetery with 10 feet of earth and starting a new one on top.
Quote from: Syt on October 01, 2018, 08:17:42 AM
Nice. :) You can observe wildlife on the Vienna main cemetery (Zentralfriedhof), too. It's basically a huge park area.
Apparently, in Ontario, wolves are hybridizing with the local coyote population, leading them to get much larger ... and they have made their way to Toronto. So we can look forward to packs of Coywolves haunting our cemeteries, making a visit potentially more lively. :D
https://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episodes/meet-the-coywolf
The one I saw, alas, looked like a standard coyote.
a coywolf makes me thing of the wolf from little red riding hood :D
Now, the last sentence on this headstone is subject to ... several possible meanings. :lol:
(https://i.imgur.com/UHNyXHi.jpg)
Quote from: Malthus on October 01, 2018, 08:14:05 AM
Out for an evening stroll in the local cemetery, we saw a lot of wildlife: several rabbits, a coyote slinking across the path, and a flock of deer.:
I get deer and rabbits in the yard all the time. I'm sure they are all over the local cemeteries.
Quote from: Malthus on October 01, 2018, 11:52:06 AM
Now, the last sentence on this headstone is subject to ... several possible meanings. :lol:
This Saturday Night Live fake ad from the 1980s answers that question succinctly:
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/where-youre-going/n9370
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 01, 2018, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 01, 2018, 08:14:05 AM
Out for an evening stroll in the local cemetery, we saw a lot of wildlife: several rabbits, a coyote slinking across the path, and a flock of deer.:
I get deer and rabbits in the yard all the time. I'm sure they are all over the local cemeteries.
Yeah, deer and rabbits are common, though a bit startling to see deer right in the city. Coyotes less so, or at least, less often seen. It was surprising to see so much wildlife in such a short space.
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2018, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 01, 2018, 11:52:06 AM
Now, the last sentence on this headstone is subject to ... several possible meanings. :lol:
This Saturday Night Live fake ad from the 1980s answers that question succinctly:
As does the classic Drivin' N' Cryin' song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJDH76zY2IE
On virus lockdown, decided to get exercise walking in the local cemetery ... had an interesting experience: we met an elderly man *looking for his own grave*.
What happened was this: we were hailed by this haggard looking old man who wanted to know if we could tell him where "row 320" was (we could not). He went on to explain that decades ago his grandfather had purchased cemetery plots for everyone on his family. He was the last of them alive, and what with the virus pandemic being deadly to the elderly and all, he wanted to see where his plot was going to be!
Guess he never visited his families graves to pay respects. That's how you get ghosts :P
Quote from: Malthus on March 17, 2020, 05:46:38 PM
On virus lockdown, decided to get exercise walking in the local cemetery ... had an interesting experience: we met an elderly man *looking for his own grave*.
What happened was this: we were hailed by this haggard looking old man who wanted to know if we could tell him where "row 320" was (we could not). He went on to explain that decades ago his grandfather had purchased cemetery plots for everyone on his family. He was the last of them alive, and what with the virus pandemic being deadly to the elderly and all, he wanted to see where his plot was going to be!
Appropriate music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9TvcAMENJE
Not sure if this is the place, but it's the only Toronto cemetery that I know has a song dedicated to it. ;)
Quote from: Syt on March 18, 2020, 03:45:42 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 17, 2020, 05:46:38 PM
On virus lockdown, decided to get exercise walking in the local cemetery ... had an interesting experience: we met an elderly man *looking for his own grave*.
What happened was this: we were hailed by this haggard looking old man who wanted to know if we could tell him where "row 320" was (we could not). He went on to explain that decades ago his grandfather had purchased cemetery plots for everyone on his family. He was the last of them alive, and what with the virus pandemic being deadly to the elderly and all, he wanted to see where his plot was going to be!
Appropriate music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9TvcAMENJE
Not sure if this is the place, but it's the only Toronto cemetery that I know has a song dedicated to it. ;)
I love Mount Pleasant - great cemetery to wander in!
I was walking in Park Lawn near my house (cemetery walks are a great hobby to have right now - get outdoor exercise, without many living people!) and I came across this grave I'd not noticed before:
https://imgur.com/a/97Z4ji2
"Wally" Floody, one of the engineers of the Great Escape.
1989? He had a good run.
Quote from: Valmy on March 29, 2020, 12:19:43 PM
1989? He had a good run.
Indeed!
I read up about him - crazy lucky. The Germans caught him and sent him to another camp before the escape itself: he was lucky, as most of those who tried it were caught and murdered.
I'm happy that there are still some surprises in my local cemetery to find.