Poll
Question:
Which of these separatist movements do you sympathize with?
Option 1: Quebec
votes: 8
Option 2: Catalunya
votes: 9
Option 3: Basque country
votes: 9
Option 4: Corsica
votes: 4
Option 5: Kurdistan (Turkey and Iraq)
votes: 33
Option 6: Republika Srpska
votes: 5
Option 7: Scotland
votes: 12
Option 8: Ireland (unification)
votes: 13
Option 9: CSA II
votes: 2
Option 10: None, separatism is treason
votes: 2
Option 11: None, I don't like change (mono)
votes: 0
Option 12: Other:
votes: 3
Which of the above would you approve of, if not actively support? Pick as many as apply.
I sympathise with the Kurds who get a bad deal from the various states that they are in.
Also Ireland, but that is going to be a very long and delicate process.
What little I know makes me think that the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina is not sustainable and it might be better if the Republika Srpska splits off and joins Serbia proper.
The Kurds also seem to have legitimate grievances in Turkey, Iraq and Iran and them having their own state might be a good outcome.
Not sure about Ireland.
If only England and the ROI belonged to a supranational economic area with completely free flow of people and goods within the island, the need for an united Ireland would become increasingly moot.
None really. Maybe Kurdistan. Certainly nothing in Europe or NA.
Other: I have no strong opinion on the matter.
Québec because multiculturalism ;)
Ireland: not separatism, the separation there was after WWI, more like irredentism. It might go back to Ireland in due time.
Kurdistan: they deserve it, no question, but the neighboring states are against it.
If the Basques can do it peacefully, à la catalane, inside the EU, linked by TGVs and standard gauge to Europe (no Abertzale Festung bitte) yes.
Catalunya
Scotland: no strong opinion, calvinist separatism is past its due date :D
Corsica: ambivalent but the independents movement seems mostly dead nowadays, only claiming more subsidies. I am not sure Italy is willing to buy it ;)
Actually, other French territories could go and that would be a bonus for the métropole: namely Mayotte (joining the Comoros paradise that is) plus most French Antilles. Guyane could be given to Brazil to restore order, plus Tordesillas treaty compliance :P :P except for Kourou (Ariane rockets are still vital).
Kerguelen Islands will stay French. :D
Others:
South Tyrol/Alto Adige has got a pretty good status within Italy so no need to reunite with Austria I believe.
PS: funny how a Batavian forgot about Flanders/Belgium/Wallonia. :P
Unless the country at large is heavily oppressing/murdering the minority in question I am against separatism. On that basis, only the Kurds in that list deserve it.
I could only agree with Kurdistan and Srpska on that list. I find the supposed grievances of separatist movements in developed countries to be frivolous.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 10, 2017, 07:19:47 AM
Unless the country at large is heavily oppressing/murdering the minority in question I am against separatism. On that basis, only the Kurds in that list deserve it.
I largely agree with this.
:3
Generally support the idea of local or regional control, but in the framework of some sort of federal system. Kurds, yeah hard not to see them as victims of history at it's worst. Generally supported Scottish independence, but the Scots themselves seem to have lost interest a bit for now.
Self determination, it's quaint and nineteenth century, but hard not to like.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 10, 2017, 07:19:47 AM
Unless the country at large is heavily oppressing/murdering the minority in question I am against separatism. On that basis, only the Kurds in that list deserve it.
I think there are more cases than that. Democratic countries, to stay democratic, have to not have divisions that trump all else. If there are such divisions, then politics inside that country becomes zero-sum total war. In that case it would be to the benefit of everyone in the country to separate into more homogeneous blocks rather than have to endure perpetually festering internal problems.
Quote from: Zanza on June 10, 2017, 04:21:56 AM
What little I know makes me think that the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina is not sustainable and it might be better if the Republika Srpska splits off and joins Serbia proper.
It has to be said that if the situation is Bosnia is so unstable and untenable is mostly because the Sprska Republic act like jerks all the time and boycott the central Bosnian government as much as possible, so allowing them to secede would be "rewarding" their behaviour.
No option for Western Canadian Independence?!? :ultra:
Quote from: DGuller on June 10, 2017, 08:29:32 AM
I think there are more cases than that. Democratic countries, to stay democratic, have to not have divisions that trump all else. If there are such divisions, then politics inside that country becomes zero-sum total war. In that case it would be to the benefit of everyone in the country to separate into more homogeneous blocks rather than have to endure perpetually festering internal problems.
The question was who do you sympathize with. I have no sympathy for groups that create divisions that trump all else on an ethnic or nationalistic basis. The ideal is to get rid of such groups, not reward them.
Quote from: Maximus on June 10, 2017, 09:35:09 AM
Quote from: DGuller on June 10, 2017, 08:29:32 AM
I think there are more cases than that. Democratic countries, to stay democratic, have to not have divisions that trump all else. If there are such divisions, then politics inside that country becomes zero-sum total war. In that case it would be to the benefit of everyone in the country to separate into more homogeneous blocks rather than have to endure perpetually festering internal problems.
The question was who do you sympathize with. I have no sympathy for groups that create divisions that trump all else on an ethnic or nationalistic basis. The ideal is to get rid of such groups, not reward them.
Sometimes things are what they are, regardless of what you think they should be.
But that wasn't the question.
Quote from: Barrister on June 10, 2017, 09:30:25 AM
No option for Western Canadian Independence?!? :ultra:
I'm sure the First Nations would appreciate it.
What is the question.
Quote from: Barrister on June 10, 2017, 09:30:25 AM
No option for Western Canadian Independence?!? :ultra:
Not sure Cascadia would take Alberta anyhow.
I just don't know if an independent Quebec would be positive.
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Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 10, 2017, 06:49:43 AM
PS: funny how a Batavian forgot about Flanders/Belgium/Wallonia. :P
I didn't forget, but I thought it wasn't quite the same as the others as it would make the original country disappear entirely.
Although maybe not so different from Bosnia actually.
And yes, I was born in Ulpia Noviomagus Batavorum :juliuscivilis:
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 10, 2017, 06:49:43 AM
Québec because multiculturalism ;)
I hope you're joking! Multikulti is a fucking cancer - anywhere it spreads!
G.
Quote from: Grallon on June 10, 2017, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 10, 2017, 06:49:43 AM
Québec because multiculturalism ;)
I hope you're joking! Multikulti is a fucking cancer - anywhere it spreads!
G.
Multikulti :punk:
It sounds like it's time for Grallon to assimilate into the dominant Canadian culture.
Quote from: garbon on June 10, 2017, 06:38:12 PM
Multikulti :punk:
Sounds like a terrible metal band.
True
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on June 10, 2017, 07:48:32 PM
It sounds like it's time for Grallon to assimilate into the dominant Canadian culture.
Only if there are cherubim.
Quote from: Jacob on June 10, 2017, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 10, 2017, 09:30:25 AM
No option for Western Canadian Independence?!? :ultra:
Not sure Cascadia would take Alberta anyhow.
Not that either is particularly likely, but Western Canadian separatism (as opposed to Cascadia, the BC/Washington State invention) has had a little more success. The Western Canada Concept long ago had an elected MLA and won just over 10% of the vote in the Alberta 1982 provincial election (on a platform of explicit western independence).
CSA II :shifty:
So tempting... the longer I am alive, and the more years I rack up down here, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that fighting a war to retain the South in the Union was a bad idea... it's not like Reconstruction worked in the slightest... and what little was accomplished was dismantled in a very short time after the Federal troops left.
Quote from: Grallon on June 10, 2017, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 10, 2017, 06:49:43 AM
Québec because multiculturalism ;)
I hope you're joking! Multikulti is a fucking cancer - anywhere it spreads!
G.
I am serious. Multiculturalism is a good reason for Québec to secede. It's not like Québec needed one more anyways.