QuoteStudent who stabbed boyfriend may avoid jail as it would 'damage her career'
Aspiring surgeon Lavinia Woodward admits attack but judge defers sentencing because of her 'extraordinary' talent
An Oxford University student who stabbed her boyfriend with a bread knife may not go to jail because it could damage her prospects of a medical career, a court has heard.
Aspiring heart surgeon Lavinia Woodward, 24, punched and stabbed her boyfriend during an alcohol-and-drug-fuelled row at Christ Church College. She admitted unlawfully wounding the Cambridge University student, who she met on the dating app Tinder.
Judge Ian Pringle QC, sitting at Oxford crown court, said he would take an "exceptional" course and defer sentence for four months, hinting that Woodward will not be jailed because of her talent. "It seems to me that if this was a one-off, a complete one-off, to prevent this extraordinary able young lady from not following her long-held desire to enter the profession she wishes to would be a sentence which would be too severe," he said.
"What you did will never, I know, leave you, but it was pretty awful, and normally it would attract a custodial sentence, whether it is immediate or suspended," he said.
Woodward, who lives in Milan, Italy, with her mother, stabbed her then-boyfriend in the leg after punching him in the face. She then hurled a laptop, glass and jam jar at him during the attack on 30 September last year, the court heard. She was in court to hear the judge's comments.
The court was told that Christ Church would allow her to return in October because she "is that bright" and has had articles published in medical journals.
Mitigating, James Sturman QC said his client's dreams of becoming a surgeon were "almost impossible" as her conviction would have to be disclosed. She had had a very troubled life and was abused by a previous boyfriend, he said.
Woodward will be sentenced on 25 September. She was given a restraining order and told to stay drug-free and not to reoffend.
A spokesman for Christ Church said: "I'm afraid that Christ Church does not comment on the circumstances of individual students."
She obviously has a talent with knives. Wonder if the judge would act the same way if she wasn't a posh Oxford student, though...
Funny, when I read the title of this thread I envision a guy stabbing a girl and feminists freaking out. My world view is shattered :D
Now that is an impressive amount of privilege. :lol: No wonder she wants to be a surgeon.
Is her boyfriend ok? I guess it does say he was 'wounded' so I guess he recovered.
Quoteabused by a previous boyfriend
Ok but not by that boyfriend so I don't see the relevance. :unsure:
What the fuck. Throw the crazy bitch in jail. Clear substance abuse issues and violent tendencies? You want this kind of person operating on you?
Quote from: Fate on May 17, 2017, 09:34:03 AM
What the fuck? She's at least 7-8 years away from being a heart surgeon. Throw the crazy bitch in jail. Clear substance abuse issues and violent tendencies? You want this kind of person operating on you?
House has taught me that the best doctors are the most drugged out doctors
Quote from: HVC on May 17, 2017, 09:31:24 AM
Funny, when I read the title of this thread I envision a guy stabbing a girl and feminists freaking out. My world view is shattered :D
Took me a bit to find the right ambiguous wording. :P
Given that her name is now searchable on google, do they think her not needing to disclose will keep this a secret to prospective employers?
She can apply to have the records removed from search engines under EU law. If the brits keep that part after the buh-bye.
Quote from: celedhring on May 17, 2017, 11:30:22 AM
She can apply to have the records removed from search engines under EU law. If the brits keep that part after the buh-bye.
Oh that's true. Also, she's in Milan now.
On the matter at hand, I'm not sure how indulging her drug-addled bouts of violence is going to be conducive to her becoming an accomplished surgeon.
Quote from: celedhring on May 17, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
On the matter at hand, I'm not sure how indulging her drug-addled bouts of violence is going to be conducive to her becoming an accomplished surgeon.
Well, maybe she will become a
creative surgeon. ;)
In Sweden unemployed people explicitly get more jail time than people in fancy jobs (because losing your fancy job is considered when deciding on jail time). A good idea? Depends on who you're asking.
I'm sure medicine is different, but in my line of work you wouldn't hire a person with a history of stabbing. The stabbing itself would indicate a person who is unfit for such work.
The mitigation doesn't make sense to me. On the one hand abusive ex-bf and troubled life is an excuse for a light sentence, but surely it is a red flag for her becoming a surgeon :hmm: ?
I don't think it's completely absurd to consider the effect of sentence on someone's career. It's more absurd to blackball people from careers where they can do a lot of good, because of a mistake they did in the past and paid for.
Quote from: DGuller on May 17, 2017, 07:44:13 PM
I don't think it's completely absurd to consider the effect of sentence on someone's career. It's more absurd to blackball people from careers where they can do a lot of good, because of a mistake they did in the past and paid for.
That's because you're a sociopath.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 17, 2017, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 17, 2017, 07:44:13 PM
I don't think it's completely absurd to consider the effect of sentence on someone's career. It's more absurd to blackball people from careers where they can do a lot of good, because of a mistake they did in the past and paid for.
That's because you're a sociopath.
:huh: I empathize with all my victims.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/sep/25/oxford-student-lavinia-woodward-gets-suspended-sentence-for-stabbing-boyfriend
QuoteOxford student given suspended sentence for stabbing boyfriend
An Oxford University student who stabbed her boyfriend with a bread knife has been given a suspended prison sentence.
A judge caused controversy earlier this year when he reportedly told Lavinia Woodward that a jail term could damage her prospects of a medical career and would be too severe as a result.
The judge's comments led to accusations of leniency and tabloid headlines including "too clever for prison".
Woodward, an aspiring heart surgeon studying at Christ Church, Oxford, had previously admitted unlawfully wounding the Cambridge University student, who she met on Tinder.
The judge, Ian Pringle QC, sitting at Oxford crown court, sentenced Woodward to 10 months in prison suspended for 18 months.
Earlier this year, Pringle hinted that she would not be jailed. "It seems to me that if this was a one-off, a complete one-off, to prevent this extraordinary able young lady from not following her long-held desire to enter the profession she wishes to would be a sentence which would be too severe," he said.
"What you did will never, I know, leave you, but it was pretty awful, and normally it would attract a custodial sentence, whether it is immediate or suspended."
Woodward, who lives in Milan with her mother, stabbed her then boyfriend in the leg after punching him in the face. She proceeded to throw a laptop, glass and jam jar at him during the attack on 30 September 2016, the court previously heard.
Woodward's defence lawyer, James Sturman QC, said the judge's comments had been taken out of context and it was wrong to say the defendant had been treated leniently because of her academic achievement.
Sturman said Woodward, who has a personality disorder, eating disorder, and drug and alcohol dependency, had been given time to prove that she could make a success of rehabilitation.
Sentencing her on Monday, Pringle said: "There are many mitigating features in your case. Principally, at the age of 24 you have no previous convictions of any nature whatsoever.
"Secondly, I find that you were genuinely remorseful following this event and indeed, it was against your bail conditions, you contacted your partner to fully confess your guilt and your deep sorrow for what happened.
"Thirdly, while you are a clearly highly intelligent individual, you had an immaturity about you which was not commensurate for someone of your age.
"Fourthly, as the reports from the experts make clear, you suffer from an emotionally unstable personality disorder, a severe eating disorder, and alcohol [and] drug dependence.
"Finally, and most significantly, you have demonstrated over the past nine months that you are determined to rid yourself of your alcohol and drug addiction and have undergone extensive treatment, including counselling, to address the many issues that you face.
"In particular, you have demonstrated to me since I adjourned this matter in May a strong and unwavering determination to do so, despite the enormous pressure under which you were put."
So can she still be a surgeon?
Well if the judge who decides that will fancy her, why not?
Which hospital would hire her? "So you let an immature drug addict with a history of stabbing people operate on my client?"
Quote from: The Brain on September 25, 2017, 01:44:41 PM
Which hospital would hire her?
Baptist Hospital of Lagos.
Because this is Languish:
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I think I just heard Ed get a boner.
Quote from: The Brain on September 25, 2017, 01:44:41 PM
Which hospital would hire her? "So you let an immature drug addict with a history of stabbing people operate on my client?"
"She had more experience using cutting instruments on people than other candidates."
Quote from: The Brain on September 25, 2017, 01:44:41 PM
Which hospital would hire her? "So you let an immature drug addict with a history of stabbing people operate on my client?"
Doctors without boundaries
Quote from: Maximus on September 25, 2017, 06:16:31 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 25, 2017, 01:44:41 PM
Which hospital would hire her? "So you let an immature drug addict with a history of stabbing people operate on my client?"
Doctors without boundaries
lolz
yummy
She can probe my liver anytime
Quote from: Maximus on September 25, 2017, 06:16:31 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 25, 2017, 01:44:41 PM
Which hospital would hire her? "So you let an immature drug addict with a history of stabbing people operate on my client?"
Doctors without boundaries
^_^
I found a baptist church there(Portugal), but don't know how to make links on my phone. :(
weren't Baptists a big thing in Portugal in the 60's? Maybe it was another denomination, but I remember my dad saying he joined a church and was such a bad singer they told him to lip sync in the choir :D
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 08:38:09 AM
weren't Baptists a big thing in Portugal in the 60's? Maybe it was another denomination, but I remember my dad saying he joined a church and was such a bad singer they told him to lip sync in the choir :D
:secret:
I really doubt Salazar would have agreed with that. :P
The crazy pentecostal/evangelical cults e.g Igreja Universal do Reino de deus came through Brazil later on, 90's or so I think.
Wikipedia says
QuoteThe 1950s and 1960s saw the arrival of Pentecostals who increased in numbers more rapidly than the earlier arrivals did. All groups, however, were hampered by prohibitions and restrictions against the free exercise of their religions, especially missionary activities.
... but it's wiki, so who knows.
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 08:41:46 AM
Wikipedia says
QuoteThe 1950s and 1960s saw the arrival of Pentecostals who increased in numbers more rapidly than the earlier arrivals did. All groups, however, were hampered by prohibitions and restrictions against the free exercise of their religions, especially missionary activities.
... but it's wiki, so who knows.
Well, the link implies Salazar did not take kindly their arrival too. :P
Maybe under the Marcelo Caetano Spring, so late '60s, early '70s. :hmm:
no, I agree that Salazar definitely made it difficult, I just take the blurb to mean that protestants were still a thing. My dad lived in Lisbon, which I imagine would have a larger concentration.
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
no, I agree that Salazar definitely made it difficult, I just take the blurb to mean that protestants were still a thing. My dad lived in Lisbon, which I imagine would have a larger concentration.
Al-Ushbona er... Lisbon would also get the only but very few muslims in Portugal from the late '60s too.
your Northern-ness is showing :D
My dad came to Canada in the 67, so he was out before Caetano.
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 08:53:57 AM
your Northern-ness is showing :D
My dad came to Canada in the 67, so he was out before Caetano.
Salazar was very old by then, would fall (litterally) from power the following year so the PIDE was out of control back then, even worse than the usual bad.
Only Languish would derail a thread about a hot stabby chick into the history of prots in Portugal :wacko:
Courtesy of the Society for sustaining Ed's boner....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546240/oxford-student-woodward-loved-sm-style-outfits-and-bragged-about-orgies/
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Only Languish would derail a thread about a hot stabby chick into the history of prots in Portugal :wacko:
Courtesy of the Society for sustaining Ed's boner....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546240/oxford-student-woodward-loved-sm-style-outfits-and-bragged-about-orgies/
Not wise, it's been over 4 hours.
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Only Languish would derail a thread about a hot stabby chick into the history of prots in Portugal :wacko:
An intellectual is someone who..
And she picked to have sex with that dumpy dude?
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/nintchdbpict000355952453.jpg?strip=all&w=633)
Ah ok. See I thought since I was heterosexual perhaps it was just my bias in thinking he was a dumpy dude.
maybe he was hung like a horse?
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
And she picked to have sex with that dumpy dude?
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Sounds like she put herself out there a fair bit, so I guess occasionally there will be dumpy dudes. Maybe she cut him when she realized he was dumpy.
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 03:53:21 PM
maybe he was hung like a horse?
Not all that exciting.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2017, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
And she picked to have sex with that dumpy dude?
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/nintchdbpict000355952453.jpg?strip=all&w=633)
Sounds like she put herself out there a fair bit, so I guess occasionally there will be dumpy dudes. Maybe she cut him when she realized he was dumpy.
Maybe but she chose to date him / apparently call him a boyfriend.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 26, 2017, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 08:53:57 AM
your Northern-ness is showing :D
My dad came to Canada in the 67, so he was out before Caetano.
Salazar was very old by then
He was younger then than either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is now.
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 08:41:46 AM
Wikipedia says
QuoteThe 1950s and 1960s saw the arrival of Pentecostals who increased in numbers more rapidly than the earlier arrivals did. All groups, however, were hampered by prohibitions and restrictions against the free exercise of their religions, especially missionary activities.
... but it's wiki, so who knows.
Depends on the wiki really, this one from the wiki on Salazar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/António_de_Oliveira_Salazar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_de_Oliveira_Salazar)
QuoteReligions other than the Catholic faith had little or no expression in Portugal. Throughout the period of Salazar's Estado Novo there was no question of discrimination against the Jewish and Protestant minorities, and the ecumenical movement flourished.[119]
From Kay, Hugh. Salazar and modern Portugal (1970)
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.117820 (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.117820)
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
And she picked to have sex with that dumpy dude?
Well, he's going to be a doctor.
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Only Languish would derail a thread about a hot stabby chick into the history of prots in Portugal :wacko:
Courtesy of the Society for sustaining Ed's boner....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546240/oxford-student-woodward-loved-sm-style-outfits-and-bragged-about-orgies/
Good man. Gups recieves the Ed Anger boner award, 4th class.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 26, 2017, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
And she picked to have sex with that dumpy dude?
Well, he's going to be a doctor.
So is she!! Generally speaking, going to a fancy professional school doesn't solve dumpy dudes' problems--at least while they're in school. You're so overworked that your social sphere is limited to peers with the same prospects/status as yourself.
Women are less likely to "slum it".
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2017, 04:02:22 PM
Maybe but she chose to date him / apparently call him a boyfriend.
Maybe he's a dab hand with a horsewhip.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 26, 2017, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Only Languish would derail a thread about a hot stabby chick into the history of prots in Portugal :wacko:
Courtesy of the Society for sustaining Ed's boner....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546240/oxford-student-woodward-loved-sm-style-outfits-and-bragged-about-orgies/
Good man. Gups recieves the Ed Anger boner award, 4th class.
May all your grandchildren be half Portuguese.
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 26, 2017, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Only Languish would derail a thread about a hot stabby chick into the history of prots in Portugal :wacko:
Courtesy of the Society for sustaining Ed's boner....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546240/oxford-student-woodward-loved-sm-style-outfits-and-bragged-about-orgies/
Good man. Gups recieves the Ed Anger boner award, 4th class.
May all your grandchildren be half Portuguese.
You have been demoted to Eggplant. Report for reassignment to clean the johns at gas stations.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 26, 2017, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Only Languish would derail a thread about a hot stabby chick into the history of prots in Portugal :wacko:
Courtesy of the Society for sustaining Ed's boner....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546240/oxford-student-woodward-loved-sm-style-outfits-and-bragged-about-orgies/
Good man. Gups recieves the Ed Anger boner award, 4th class.
I shall proudly mount the trophy.
Quote from: dps on September 26, 2017, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 26, 2017, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: HVC on September 26, 2017, 08:53:57 AM
your Northern-ness is showing :D
My dad came to Canada in the 67, so he was out before Caetano.
Salazar was very old by then
He was younger then than either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is now.
Hillary and the Donald are 78? Wow, they look good. :D
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. They're both in their 70s and look it.
Quote from: Gups on September 27, 2017, 04:38:53 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 26, 2017, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Only Languish would derail a thread about a hot stabby chick into the history of prots in Portugal :wacko:
Courtesy of the Society for sustaining Ed's boner....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546240/oxford-student-woodward-loved-sm-style-outfits-and-bragged-about-orgies/
Good man. Gups recieves the Ed Anger boner award, 4th class.
I shall proudly mount the trophy.
:thumbsup:
Oh, I get it now. Like a pun. Ha ha ha.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 27, 2017, 12:38:38 PM
Oh, I get it now. Like a pun. Ha ha ha.
Can you explain it to me?
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2017, 09:17:31 AMCourtesy of the Society for sustaining Ed's boner....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4546240/oxford-student-woodward-loved-sm-style-outfits-and-bragged-about-orgies/
Quotefetish for expensive designer underwear
Is that really a fetish, I wonder? :hmm:
If a shoe fetish is a thing, why not?
Quote from: derspiess on September 29, 2017, 08:02:39 AM
If a shoe fetish is a thing, why not?
Normally wanting to wear fancy clothes makes you "have a refined taste", or "a fancy for the sophisticated", not a fetish.
Quote from: The Larch on September 29, 2017, 08:09:01 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 29, 2017, 08:02:39 AM
If a shoe fetish is a thing, why not?
Normally wanting to wear fancy clothes makes you "have a refined taste", or "a fancy for the sophisticated", not a fetish.
Well there are definitely people who have suit and tie fetishes.
Also isn't a fetish by definition something abnormal? ;)