:bleeding:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8132726.stm
I prefer lolita.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion
Sometimes I wonder where they find the money to buy all that expensive clothes.
Quote from: Weatherman on July 06, 2009, 10:46:01 PM
:bleeding:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8132726.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8132726.stm)
What's the big deal?
Brown pipple don't want to be brown, and paint their skin even darker to "protest". They wish they were born white, but there is nothing they can do about it. Not even Jacko with his millions managed to to fix that.
Psychology 101.
People are born the way they are. Yeah, it sucks to not be white. The entire culture its white dominated, the entire planet's concept of beauty is white dominated. Nobody likes non-white features, like wide nose, slant eyes or curled hair. But they have to learn that its all peer preasure and cultural perception. The world today is a product of 500 years of white domination. That is not going to go away any time soon, if ever. Yeah, people that weren't born white got issued a bad hand, but that's what they got, and have to deal with it.
Im not gonna lie to you. I am fucking GLAD that I am white skinned. I don't believe in racism or any of that crap, but the world is what it is, and despite my jewishness and my foreign accent, I have been able to milk my skin color to the end. The advantages of being white are far too many to dismiss, despite the afirmative action and all the equal oportunity stuff designed to help the non-whites.
I understand what these japanese kids feel. Their society, as an instrument of resistance, see whiteness as something bad, but kids can always read through the bullshit, and they understand that all these japanese conservatives that defend "asian values" are just bitter that they werent born white.
I have the same problem with my accent. I wish I were a native english-speaker. The language barrier is way too great, and I did have, and I can't afford to have ever again, a soldier not understanding what I am saying, yelling, in the middle of a firefight.
Ganguro :x
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 11:23:53 PM
I prefer lolita.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion)
Sometimes I wonder where they find the money to buy all that expensive clothes.
In my experience, a culture that focus on their clothing, is a culture that cannot afford cars, hence why is ussually the young people in japan that do this kind of weird stuff.
Seen this elsewhere.
Meh, you'd already think a lot of girls were following this these days anyway.
Fake tan- :x
Poor Siegebreaker wishes he had been born white.
it is indeed revolting
Westerners imitating the Japanese culture?
So what? That has been going on for decades around here.
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 11:27:22 PM
I understand what these japanese kids feel. Their society, as an instrument of resistance, see whiteness as something bad, but kids can always read through the bullshit, and they understand that all these japanese conservatives that defend "asian values" are just bitter that they werent born white.
:bleeding:
If you'd bothered to read ganguro is about light skinned Japs bleaching themselves brown.
Quote from: Valmy on July 07, 2009, 08:13:13 AM
Westerners imitating the Japanese culture?
So what? That has been going on for decades around here.
I sent this article to a friend who's in Japan. What's really sad is that they're imitating a fashion that's years out of date.
Quote from: Faeelin on July 07, 2009, 08:18:30 AM
I sent this article to a friend who's in Japan. What's really sad is that they're imitating a fashion that's years out of date.
Nothing unusual about that. When foreigners imitate American Culture they usually are pretty behind also.
Great, Jap Guidos.
Quote from: Valmy on July 07, 2009, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 07, 2009, 08:18:30 AM
I sent this article to a friend who's in Japan. What's really sad is that they're imitating a fashion that's years out of date.
Nothing unusual about that. When foreigners imitate American Culture they usually are pretty behind also.
Indeed. Just look at Europe. It's like it's the 90s or something. Ten years ago, they were all wearing piano-key neckties.
Quote from: Neil on July 07, 2009, 06:46:53 AM
Poor Siegebreaker wishes he had been born white.
Not really. I'm white skinned but I am not "white" as in white culture. To be that I couldn't be jewish, or more importantly, sefaradi. I definitively prefer to be sefaradi than WASP by a long, looong way.
What I do wish is I could speak english with a native accent, like my wife does.
Quote from: Faeelin on July 07, 2009, 08:18:30 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 07, 2009, 08:13:13 AM
Westerners imitating the Japanese culture?
So what? That has been going on for decades around here.
I sent this article to a friend who's in Japan. What's really sad is that they're imitating a fashion that's years out of date.
:yes: been outta date since before I first went there in 02. more of a 90's thing... still a few oddballs doing it though.
Quote from: Siege on July 07, 2009, 09:50:00 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 07, 2009, 06:46:53 AM
Poor Siegebreaker wishes he had been born white.
Not really. I'm white skinned but I am not "white" as in white culture. To be that I couldn't be jewish, or more importantly, sefaradi. I definitively prefer to be sefaradi than WASP by a long, looong way.
What I do wish is I could speak english with a native accent, like my wife does.
Sure you can say that, but we all know it's sour grapes. Why would anyone want to be part of an uncivilized, backwards people when they could be part of a civilized people?
Japan is weird.
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Quote from: Siege on July 07, 2009, 05:37:51 PM
Japan is weird.
To some degree. On the other hand, at least nobody there pays any attention to kosher.
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
Not in the least. Civilized Jews pay no attention to kosher rules, seeing them (rightly) as backwards edicts passed down back when our brains weren't as connected up, and we all halucinated the existance of gods daily.
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
we've got decent ways to store food now, and real medicine. No need for kosher or halal stuff anymore
Quote from: Neil on July 08, 2009, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
Not in the least. Civilized Jews pay no attention to kosher rules, seeing them (rightly) as backwards edicts passed down back when our brains weren't as connected up, and we all halucinated the existance of gods daily.
I didn't know you bought that bi-cameral mind theory.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 09, 2009, 01:57:49 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 08, 2009, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
Not in the least. Civilized Jews pay no attention to kosher rules, seeing them (rightly) as backwards edicts passed down back when our brains weren't as connected up, and we all halucinated the existance of gods daily.
I didn't know you bought that bi-cameral mind theory.
I'm just insulting Siegebreaker's ridiculous faith. Draw no conclusions from that.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on July 09, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
we've got decent ways to store food now, and real medicine. No need for kosher or halal stuff anymore
Indeed. Its the kind of crap that makes me question even the nicest of muslims.
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2009, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on July 09, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
we've got decent ways to store food now, and real medicine. No need for kosher or halal stuff anymore
Indeed. Its the kind of crap that makes me question even the nicest of muslims.
:huh: Why on earth would you care what a muslim eats?
I could see it being an issue if he was dining on your relatives, but 'not eating pig' seems a nothing of a nothing.
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Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
:huh: Why on earth would you care what a muslim eats?
Not eating stuff is not what does it.
It is their hatred of dogs that makes my blood boil.
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
:huh: Why on earth would you care what a muslim eats?
I could see it being an issue if he was dining on your relatives, but 'not eating pig' seems a nothing of a nothing.
What if you'd just made a lovely honey ham and then the wanker refused to eat it? I'd be hurt. :angry:
Also, I first read the "he was dining on your relatives" bit as some weird Canadian way of saying that he was at a dinner that your relatives were hosting. :blush:
Quote from: garbon on July 09, 2009, 02:48:16 PM
What if you'd just made a lovely honey ham and then the wanker refused to eat it? I'd be hurt. :angry:
Also, I first read the "he was dining on your relatives" bit as some weird Canadian way of saying that he was at a dinner that your relatives were hosting. :blush:
Well, in a manner of speaking ... :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
:huh: Why on earth would you care what a muslim eats?
I could see it being an issue if he was dining on your relatives, but 'not eating pig' seems a nothing of a nothing.
Its not something I lie awake at night fretting about but it is stupid how they stick to it so strictly nonetheless. Often I find with irreligious muslims if there's one thing they stick to its the not eating pork. I just find it rather silly.
Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2009, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
:huh: Why on earth would you care what a muslim eats?
Not eating stuff is not what does it.
It is their hatred of dogs that makes my blood boil.
You wish that they would eat dogs? :huh:
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 08:31:07 AM
:huh: Why on earth would you care what a muslim eats?
I could see it being an issue if he was dining on your relatives, but 'not eating pig' seems a nothing of a nothing.
Its not something I lie awake at night fretting about but it is stupid how they stick to it so strictly nonetheless. Often I find with irreligious muslims if there's one thing they stick to its the not eating pork. I just find it rather silly.
Why stupid? Most people in the West would not care to eat cats, dogs or horses, even though they are perfectly edible. Are they silly too?
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 03:42:16 PM
Why stupid? Most people in the West would not care to eat cats, dogs or horses, even though they are perfectly edible. Are they silly too?
No, after all it isn't customary for people in Northern England to eat those things so no one should.
I couldn't find a pic of the English Wiggam eating an Eel Pie. :(
I thought the French eat horses.
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 09, 2009, 07:10:48 PM
I thought the French eat horses.
And it's delicious, a really tasty meat :mmm:
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2009, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on July 09, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
we've got decent ways to store food now, and real medicine. No need for kosher or halal stuff anymore
Indeed. Its the kind of crap that makes me question even the nicest of muslims.
Not eating pork is the only thing I like about islam. Pigs are as smart as dogs, I always feel a bit guilty eating them. I just wish they weren't made out of bacon and pork chops.
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 03:42:16 PM
Why stupid? Most people in the West would not care to eat cats, dogs or horses, even though they are perfectly edible. Are they silly too?
Those animals are our friends. :mad:
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 03:42:16 PM
Why stupid? Most people in the West would not care to eat cats, dogs or horses, even though they are perfectly edible. Are they silly too?
If everyone else ate them, it was the completely accepted thing to do so, the shops were filled with such products and it was difficult to avoid eating something containing some then yeah. (though a better analogy would probably be...pigeon?)
Especially if the bible said "Don't eat them" right in the midst of a passage about a lot of other things you shouldn't do; most of which you did just last night.
I dunno why you're making such a big deal of this.
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 03:40:55 PM
You wish that they would eat dogs? :huh:
Where did you get that from?
It is forbidden in Islam to keep dogs as pets as it seems Angels cannot enter a house that has dogs in it. They upset Allah or something.
Any religion that hates dogs so must be evil.
Quote from: Tyr on July 10, 2009, 05:52:13 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 03:42:16 PM
Why stupid? Most people in the West would not care to eat cats, dogs or horses, even though they are perfectly edible. Are they silly too?
If everyone else ate them, it was the completely accepted thing to do so, the shops were filled with such products and it was difficult to avoid eating something containing some then yeah. (though a better analogy would probably be...pigeon?)
Especially if the bible said "Don't eat them" right in the midst of a passage about a lot of other things you shouldn't do; most of which you did just last night.
I dunno why you're making such a big deal of this.
I'm not. It seems though that you are.
I'm not the one proclaiming my distain for a goodly portion of the world's population based on their choice of entree. :lol:
Seems to me that it is more or less an arbitrary cultural choice: some people like to eat one thing, and others another; if a Hindu dislikes eating beef, or a Jew or Muslim pork, what difference does it make? That it's not rational? Since when are food preferences rational?
As long as they aren't trying to force you not to eat what you want, that is.
Quote from: Valmy on July 10, 2009, 07:56:21 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 09, 2009, 03:40:55 PM
You wish that they would eat dogs? :huh:
Where did you get that from?
It is forbidden in Islam to keep dogs as pets as it seems Angels cannot enter a house that has dogs in it. They upset Allah or something.
Any religion that hates dogs so must be evil.
Psst - I was making a joke. :(
I've never heard of the dogs thing. Are you certain it's correct?
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Often I find with irreligious muslims if there's one thing they stick to its the not eating pork.
You haven't met enough Bosnians.
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 08:41:52 AM
I've never heard of the dogs thing. Are you certain it's correct?
You have never heard of it? Muslims, well mostly Arabs, dislike of Dogs is pretty famous.
Google 'Dogs Islam'
examples: http://www.islamicconcern.com/dogs.asp
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015602&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
Blah blah and so forth.
Dogs=bad but naturally Muslims now rush to say the Quran actually wants us to be nice to all animals.
Oh this is largely comes from Mohammed telling his followers to kill all the Dogs in Medina because the archangel Gabriel didn't like them.
And I largely think this is another one of those issues you get into where you hold one culture, 8th century Arabs, as eternally right and better than other cultures.
Quote from: Valmy on July 10, 2009, 08:52:58 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 08:41:52 AM
I've never heard of the dogs thing. Are you certain it's correct?
You have never heard of it? Muslims, well mostly Arabs, dislike of Dogs is pretty famous.
Google 'Dogs Islam'
examples: http://www.islamicconcern.com/dogs.asp
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015602&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
Blah blah and so forth.
Dogs=bad but naturally Muslims now rush to say the Quran actually wants us to be nice to all animals.
Oh this is largely comes from Mohammed telling his followers to kill all the Dogs in Medina because the archangel Gabriel didn't like them.
And I largely think this is another one of those issues you get into where you hold one culture, 8th century Arabs, as eternally right and better than other cultures.
I dunno, seems that there is a cultural dislike of dogs at some point far back in Islamic history, but the links you posted all contradict the notion that Muslims can't keep dogs. Evidently they can and do, and are supposed to treat them well. :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
I dunno, seems that there is a cultural dislike of dogs at some point far back in Islamic history, but the links you posted all contradict the notion that Muslims can't keep dogs. Evidently they can and do, and are supposed to treat them well. :huh:
Oh come on Malthus lighten up. They directly mention the tradition and its religious basis. They take other sections of Quran saying you must treat animals well and so forth to pacify modern sensibilities.
'You know all that anti-dog stuff? Well ignore it and concentrate on this other section' But it is sort of funny.
This is sort of like saying Jews are evil for slaughtering Amorites. It was meant light heartedly. Some old stuff meant to be eternally true gets a little embarrasing over time.
Quote from: Valmy on July 10, 2009, 09:27:58 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
I dunno, seems that there is a cultural dislike of dogs at some point far back in Islamic history, but the links you posted all contradict the notion that Muslims can't keep dogs. Evidently they can and do, and are supposed to treat them well. :huh:
Oh come on Malthus lighten up. They directly mention the tradition and its religious basis. They take other sections of Quran saying you must treat animals well and so forth to pacify modern sensibilities.
'You know all that anti-dog stuff? Well ignore it and concentrate on this other section' But it is sort of funny.
This is sort of like saying Jews are evil for slaughtering Amorites. It was meant light heartedly. Some old stuff meant to be eternally true gets a little embarrasing over time.
I was simply confused by you saying that Muslims could not keep dogs as pets; I know some religious Muslims who have a pet dog, and I was wondering if it was actually literally true that they could not.
Why "lighten up"? :huh:
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 09, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 09, 2009, 07:10:48 PM
I thought the French eat horses.
And it's delicious, a really tasty meat :mmm:
Horse tastes more like steak than steak does.
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 09:42:25 AM
I was simply confused by you saying that Muslims could not keep dogs as pets; I know some religious Muslims who have a pet dog, and I was wondering if it was actually literally true that they could not.
Why "lighten up"? :huh:
Well they can keep them for hunting and so forth under specific circumstances. They are just seen as un-pure animals to have around traditionally. It states dogs block access to you by the Angels.
"Lighten up" because you seemed to be taking my joking about the dog thing a little too seriously but now I understand why.
Just like most of the ancient Jewish traditions modern Muslim theologians can rationalize around the Dog thing as the articles I have posted have shown. I bet in very conservative Muslim communities they are still not allowed though.
Quote from: Neil on July 08, 2009, 05:45:48 PM
when our brains weren't as connected up, and we all halucinated the existance of gods daily.
You receive one Spider Jerusalem point. :)
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 08:40:46 AM
I'm not. It seems though that you are.
I'm not the one proclaiming my distain for a goodly portion of the world's population based on their choice of entree. :lol:
I'm not making a big deal of it at all, you're just questioning me on it so I'm answering. I don't really care, its just a minor odd thing, I've certainly not proclaimed my disdain for them.
QuoteSeems to me that it is more or less an arbitrary cultural choice: some people like to eat one thing, and others another; if a Hindu dislikes eating beef, or a Jew or Muslim pork, what difference does it make? That it's not rational? Since when are food preferences rational?
As long as they aren't trying to force you not to eat what you want, that is.
Yes, its irrational, that's what I'm saying. That they would stick to this minor, unimportant irrationality whilst forsaking the rest of their religion though is odd. Especially given this is a part of the religion founded in sound rationality that is now outdated; like not drinking alcohol which most of them have no problem breaking.
Food preferences normally are rational. People have different taste buds, different needs and care about their health to varying amounts.
Quote from: The LarchYou haven't met enough Bosnians.
hmm...given that Slavic food does seem to be heavily pork based that does raise questions about them that I'd never considered before. have they ever followed that?
Muslims and dogs: IIRC its the saliva that is unclean, not the dogs themselves. With many breeds this isn't really a issue.
Also its definatly fine to keep dogs as long as they're outside. Traditionally in the middle east people tend to have loads of them on the farm.
Quote from: Tyr on July 10, 2009, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 08:40:46 AM
I'm not. It seems though that you are.
I'm not the one proclaiming my distain for a goodly portion of the world's population based on their choice of entree. :lol:
I'm not making a big deal of it at all, you're just questioning me on it so I'm discussing. I don't really care, its just a minor odd thing.
QuoteSeems to me that it is more or less an arbitrary cultural choice: some people like to eat one thing, and others another; if a Hindu dislikes eating beef, or a Jew or Muslim pork, what difference does it make? That it's not rational? Since when are food preferences rational?
As long as they aren't trying to force you not to eat what you want, that is.
Yes, its irrational, that's what I'm saying. That they would stick to this minor, unimportant irrationality whilst forsaking the rest of their religion though is odd. Especially given this is a part of the religion founded in sound rationality that is now outdated; like not drinking alcohol which most of them have no problem breaking.
Food preferences normally are rational. People have different taste buds, different needs and care about their health to varying amounts.
I disagree that food preferences are generally rational. Thing is that food preferences are often based on cultural notions of what is "gross". The notion that some particular animal is "gross" to eat isn't based on taste or nutrition necessarily - horse meat actually tastes quite good, for example. I've never had dog, but I understand it tastes much like pork.
The cultural notions of gross-ness can easily outlive the actual religion or other conditions that inspired them. An atheist who was brought up kosher may find the thought of eating pig "gross" even though he doesn't believe in any religious prohibitions. That's because pigs are, in Judaism and Islam, associated with *filth*, because they are supposed to enjoy wallowing in mud and eating garbage. It would be much like eating *rat*.
One could easily say "but these rats are bred in clean conditions and are totally healthy" - that may be true but many will still not wish to dine on tasty rat.
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
One could easily say "but these rats are bred in clean conditions and are totally healthy" - that may be true but many will still not wish to dine on tasty rat.
I would.
But then I will eat anything if prepared in a tasty manner.
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 09:42:25 AM
I was simply confused by you saying that Muslims could not keep dogs as pets; I know some religious Muslims who have a pet dog, and I was wondering if it was actually literally true that they could not.
On old Languish we had an article about Saudi Arabia closing down pet stores as they didn't want people buying dogs. I think they were saying people had to give up their dogs as well and there was testimony from people saying that they'd hide their dogs then.
Quote from: Valmy on July 10, 2009, 10:49:17 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
One could easily say "but these rats are bred in clean conditions and are totally healthy" - that may be true but many will still not wish to dine on tasty rat.
I would.
But then I will eat anything if prepared in a tasty manner.
I've actually had rat, when I was in China. It wasn't recognizable as such, and we only found out what it was after we had eaten it.
Wasn't bad, as I recall.
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
I disagree that food preferences are generally rational. Thing is that food preferences are often based on cultural notions of what is "gross". The notion that some particular animal is "gross" to eat isn't based on taste or nutrition necessarily - horse meat actually tastes quite good, for example. I've never had dog, but I understand it tastes much like pork.
The cultural notions of gross-ness can easily outlive the actual religion or other conditions that inspired them. An atheist who was brought up kosher may find the thought of eating pig "gross" even though he doesn't believe in any religious prohibitions. That's because pigs are, in Judaism and Islam, associated with *filth*, because they are supposed to enjoy wallowing in mud and eating garbage. It would be much like eating *rat*.
One could easily say "but these rats are bred in clean conditions and are totally healthy" - that may be true but many will still not wish to dine on tasty rat.
That could help in explaining it.
Why though don't the same cultural hang ups persist over alcohol and other things?
Eating rat- I wouldn't actively seek it out but if it was put in front of me I'd try it to see what its actually like. My only hang ups are over my having rodents as pets and liking them rather than any idea of them being dirty (the same as why eating dog would be a huge no for me).
Quote from: garbon on July 10, 2009, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 09:42:25 AM
I was simply confused by you saying that Muslims could not keep dogs as pets; I know some religious Muslims who have a pet dog, and I was wondering if it was actually literally true that they could not.
On old Languish we had an article about Saudi Arabia closing down pet stores as they didn't want people buying dogs. I think they were saying people had to give up their dogs as well and there was testimony from people saying that they'd hide their dogs then.
This issue though is whether this is like religious Jews not eating pork (something they all do) or more like the Taliban insisting on putting pants on donkeys in Afganistan. :D
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
One could easily say "but these rats are bred in clean conditions and are totally healthy" - that may be true but many will still not wish to dine on tasty rat.
"sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker."
Quote from: Tyr on July 10, 2009, 10:54:38 AM
That could help in explaining it.
Why though don't the same cultural hang ups persist over alcohol and other things?
Eating rat- I wouldn't actively seek it out but if it was put in front of me I'd try it to see what its actually like. My only hang ups are over my having rodents as pets and liking them rather than any idea of them being dirty (the same as why eating dog would be a huge no for me).
My guess is that the reward factor for breaking the taboo is much less. Not eating pork is a much smaller price to pay than never drinking.
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 10:55:00 AM
This issue though is whether this is like religious Jews not eating pork (something they all do) or more like the Taliban insisting on putting pants on donkeys in Afganistan. :D
I would say the dog ban has moved from catagory #1 to catagory #2 overtime thanks to Western Cultural influence.
Quote from: The Larch on July 10, 2009, 08:42:41 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Often I find with irreligious muslims if there's one thing they stick to its the not eating pork.
You haven't met enough Bosnians.
Or Winnipeg Jews. Bacon aficionados, many that I know.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 10, 2009, 11:48:36 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 10, 2009, 08:42:41 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
Often I find with irreligious muslims if there's one thing they stick to its the not eating pork.
You haven't met enough Bosnians.
Or Winnipeg Jews. Bacon aficionados, many that I know.
Jewcon. Delicious.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 10, 2009, 11:48:36 AM
Or Winnipeg Jews. Bacon aficionados, many that I know.
One Texas Arab Muslim I know once commented at breakfast that 'Bacon is like brown sugar. It makes everything better.'
well Bacon is the Candy of Meats(tm).
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 10, 2009, 11:51:30 AM
well Bacon is the Candy of Meats(tm).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaK9bjLy3v4
Quote from: Malthus on July 10, 2009, 10:55:00 AM
This issue though is whether this is like religious Jews not eating pork (something they all do) or more like the Taliban insisting on putting pants on donkeys in Afganistan. :D
I've no idea, although I'd venture the Saudi Arabia bit is about trying to reclaim a largely defunct islamic tradition.
Disgusting.
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
Disgusting.
If by disgusting you mean delicious, then you are correct, otherwise you might as well be a :brrr: Vegan.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 10, 2009, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
Disgusting.
If by disgusting you mean delicious, then you are correct, otherwise you might as well be a :brrr: Vegan.
Vegans don't eat delicious sefaradi steaks, thin and hammered, with garlic and onions, fried in olive oil.
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2009, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on July 09, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
we've got decent ways to store food now, and real medicine. No need for kosher or halal stuff anymore
Indeed. Its the kind of crap that makes me question even the nicest of muslims.
I have witnessed several Muslims eat pork. :whistle:
Quote from: Fireblade on July 10, 2009, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2009, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on July 09, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
Kosher is a sign of civilization.
we've got decent ways to store food now, and real medicine. No need for kosher or halal stuff anymore
Indeed. Its the kind of crap that makes me question even the nicest of muslims.
I have witnessed several Muslims eat pork. :whistle:
I've seen Muslims (Turks, Sudanese, Iranians) drink alcohol! And seen Israeli Jews eat bacon! :o
My friend tricked a Muslim into eating pork. :lol:
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2009, 08:49:12 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 10, 2009, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
Disgusting.
If by disgusting you mean delicious, then you are correct, otherwise you might as well be a :brrr: Vegan.
Vegans don't eat delicious sefaradi steaks, thin and hammered, with garlic and onions, fried in olive oil.
without the option of adding bacon, that delicious meal is still lacking in deliciousness. Bacon is Stronger than any "god". It's Bacon!
Quote from: Syt on July 10, 2009, 11:11:04 PM
And seen Israeli Jews eat bacon! :o
I was eating out with some Jews, one ordered pork chops and the other asked 'Hey is that Kosher?' And he said 'It was a circumsized pig.'
Quote from: Fireblade on July 10, 2009, 10:05:57 PM
I have witnessed several Muslims eat pork. :whistle:
Yeah, I know quite a few 'muslims' (according to the census anyway) who do.
If there's one bit of their religion muslims tend to keep to though that's it.
Quote from: Valmy on July 11, 2009, 09:47:08 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 10, 2009, 11:11:04 PM
And seen Israeli Jews eat bacon! :o
I was eating out with some Jews, one ordered pork chops and the other asked 'Hey is that Kosher?' And he said 'It was a circumsized pig.'
:lol:
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2009, 08:49:12 PM
Vegans don't eat delicious sefaradi steaks, thin and hammered, with garlic and onions, fried in olive oil.
Inspired by Siegebreaker, I tried to cook myself one of these tonight. Came out OK, had to hammer with my own knuckles since I don't own a meat hammer, and buying the cheapest cut didn't help to keep it tender. But overall pretty tasty.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 13, 2009, 07:58:47 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2009, 08:49:12 PM
Vegans don't eat delicious sefaradi steaks, thin and hammered, with garlic and onions, fried in olive oil.
Inspired by Siegebreaker, I tried to cook myself one of these tonight. Came out OK, had to hammer with my own knuckles since I don't own a meat hammer, and buying the cheapest cut didn't help to keep it tender. But overall pretty tasty.
If the meat isn't tender you can add peeled tomato - without excesses, just enough to add some juice.
Quote from: Alatriste on July 14, 2009, 12:58:34 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 13, 2009, 07:58:47 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2009, 08:49:12 PM
Vegans don't eat delicious sefaradi steaks, thin and hammered, with garlic and onions, fried in olive oil.
Inspired by Siegebreaker, I tried to cook myself one of these tonight. Came out OK, had to hammer with my own knuckles since I don't own a meat hammer, and buying the cheapest cut didn't help to keep it tender. But overall pretty tasty.
If the meat isn't tender you can add peeled tomato - without excesses, just enough to add some juice.
or you could chew :p
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 13, 2009, 07:58:47 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 10, 2009, 08:49:12 PM
Vegans don't eat delicious sefaradi steaks, thin and hammered, with garlic and onions, fried in olive oil.
Inspired by Siegebreaker, I tried to cook myself one of these tonight. Came out OK, had to hammer with my own knuckles since I don't own a meat hammer, and buying the cheapest cut didn't help to keep it tender. But overall pretty tasty.
Boil it before frying it. That's the secret.
My wife actually leave it in salt water for a while before boiling it.
Its suppoussed to take all the blood out and make it far more tender.