4 dead, many injured. details are sketchy. 2 people arrested, possibly a 3rd on the loose. At least one suspect had a Quebec sounding accent. This mosque received some threats in the past, namely a pig's head on its door.
Imho, it's not a coincidence that it happens just when Trump is implementing his muslim banning policy. Lots of Trumpeters in the area, sadly.
English link (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-gun-shots-1.3957686)
French text (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/justice-et-faits-divers/201701/29/01-5064309-quatre-morts-dans-la-fusillade-a-la-mosquee-de-sainte-foy.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_vous_suggere_5064348_article_POS1)
Not every shitty act in the world is Trump's fault dude, come on.
There is a good percentage of Quebecers who revel in ignorance and racism. Let's fix our own shitty aspects of tribalism before blaming others.
Hmm. It says that the attackers shouted "Allah Akbar!" Could be Muslim extremists who don't think the worshippers at that particular mosque are devout enough. Could be non-Muslims shouting it sarcastically, or just to disguise their identity/motives. Could be, well, a lot of things at this point. The police say that there have been 2 arrests, but nothing seems to have been released about the suspects' nationality/ethnicity/religion/motivation, other than the one witness who said that the attackers seemed to have a Quebecois accent.
Quote from: dps on January 29, 2017, 11:07:24 PM
Hmm. It says that the attackers shouted "Allah Akbar!" ... Could be non-Muslims shouting it sarcastically,
Radical Ironic Hipsterism.
Quote from: dps on January 29, 2017, 11:07:24 PM
Hmm. It says that the attackers shouted "Allah Akbar!"
It seemed to me that they had a Quebecois accent.And they chased one of the suspect to Ile d'Orléans. No muslim could ever hope to hide there. It's a small island in front of Quebec city, with mostly farmers and other white people.
Quote from: viper37 on January 29, 2017, 11:14:23 PM
It's a small island in front of Quebec city, with mostly farmers and other white people.
You don't let non-whites farm in Quebec? ;)
Quote from: Zoupa on January 29, 2017, 11:06:53 PM
Not every shitty act in the world is Trump's fault dude, come on.
There is a good percentage of Quebecers who revel in ignorance and racism. Let's fix our own shitty aspects of tribalism before blaming others.
Not so much his fault. But we have observed the same thing in the UK.
Since the brexit vote, a validation of small minded ignorant xenophobia on a national level, a lot of the scum have been emboldened and crawled out from beneath the fridge.
Wouldn't be surprised if Trump has had a similar effect in making people think this is the way the wind is blowing and their time is now.
Trump is merely a symptom, the disease is a widespread phenomenon.
Quote from: Zoupa on January 29, 2017, 11:06:53 PM
Not every shitty act in the world is Trump's fault dude, come on.
There is a good percentage of Quebecers who revel in ignorance and racism. Let's fix our own shitty aspects of tribalism before blaming others.
That's BS, Zoupa. They look at him like America's Nazi looked at Hitler in the 30s. Justification & a new will to act.
Sure, Canadian racists across the country are emboldened by Trump. I think that's fairly evident.
Aaaannnnddddd there's been an attack on a mosque in Texas too.
Damn Daesh's Marketing and Recruitment department is having a great week.
Quote from: Tyr on January 30, 2017, 08:16:59 AM
Aaaannnnddddd there's been an attack on a mosque in Texas too.
Damn Daesh's Marketing and Recruitment department is having a great week.
This one?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/americans-raise-600000-rebuild-burned-texas-mosque-170129205625913.html
Quote from: dps on January 29, 2017, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 29, 2017, 11:14:23 PM
It's a small island in front of Quebec city, with mostly farmers and other white people.
You don't let non-whites farm in Quebec? ;)
yeah, we're racist like that ;)
Given how hard it is to acquire a farm and naviguate through the bureaucracy to obtain financing and quotas, the likelyhood that someone from a non farming family will itself become a farmer is extremely low.
The 2 suspects arrested so far were university students. My university, the one I graduated from. :(
Quebec city police will hold a conference later this morning with more details.
One Morroccan (Mohammed Khadir), one Quebecer (Alexandre Bissonnette).
French link (http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/01/30/les-deux-suspects-sont-alexandre-bissonnette-et-mohamed-khadir)
A Moroccan? :blink:
Well that's.... Huh
Quote from: Syt on January 30, 2017, 08:18:54 AM
Quote from: Tyr on January 30, 2017, 08:16:59 AM
Aaaannnnddddd there's been an attack on a mosque in Texas too.
Damn Daesh's Marketing and Recruitment department is having a great week.
This one?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/americans-raise-600000-rebuild-burned-texas-mosque-170129205625913.html
Could be. Seeing it reported a lot just today for some reason.
A Moroccan farmer, eh? The plot thickens.
6 dead (aged between 39 and 60), 8 injured out of 50 people in the Mosque.
Quote from: derspiess on January 30, 2017, 09:46:09 AM
A Moroccan farmer, eh? The plot thickens.
Country bumpkings make most of the North African immigration around here, so it's hardly surprising, except maybe for Viper. :P
The mosque itself sounds rather liberal :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Cultural_Centre_of_Quebec_City
The Islamist zealots hate these sort of Muslims as much, or more, as they hate non-Muslims.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 30, 2017, 03:11:21 AM
Trump is merely a symptom, the disease is a widespread phenomenon.
Trump has given validation to these idiots though
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 30, 2017, 09:56:42 AM
Country bumpkings make most of the North African immigration around here, so it's hardly suprising, except maybe for Viper. :P
Most agricultural productions requires lots of capital to start, because you need to buy quotas and/or harvest insurances. I just don't see a newcomer deciding on his own to buy a farm over here, that's just way too much work, and too much capital upfront for a stranger (a 40 cow milk farm could sell for roughtly 2-2.5M $ and it's on the smallish side of farms).
Farmers of all kinds represent 50-75% of my clients. I ain't ever seen a non-Quebecois (not born here or parents not born here) owning such farms in an area covering roughly 50km west of Quebec city to the mouth of the St-Lawrence. Closest I had to a foreigner client are Swiss-German farmers, here from 3 or 4 generations. Aside that, all
pure-laine.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 30, 2017, 10:00:28 AM
The mosque itself sounds rather liberal :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Cultural_Centre_of_Quebec_City
The Islamist zealots hate these sort of Muslims as much, or more, as they hate non-Muslims.
Yes, it's a pretty liberal mosque. Unlike Montreal and Toronto, there ain't that many immigrants, most of them are quite integrated in their environment, and there's no political activism. The only one case was someone from Montreal who promptly left back once it was no longer of mediatic interest.
Quote from: viper37 on January 30, 2017, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 30, 2017, 10:00:28 AM
The mosque itself sounds rather liberal :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Cultural_Centre_of_Quebec_City
The Islamist zealots hate these sort of Muslims as much, or more, as they hate non-Muslims.
Yes, it's a pretty liberal mosque. Unlike Montreal and Toronto, there ain't that many immigrants, most of them are quite integrated in their environment, and there's no political activism. The only one case was someone from Montreal who promptly left back once it was no longer of mediatic interest.
From Richard's link
QuotePolitical positions[edit]
The Centre has regularly adopted a stand in the political debate in Quebec. Representatives testified before both the Bélanger-Campeau Commission and the Bouchard-Taylor Commission. In 2011, it also testified in a parliamentary committee in the National Assembly of Quebec against certain aspects of Bill 94 brought forward by the Charest government which governed the requirements to offer public services with uncovered faces.[2].
In 2013, the Centre strongly denounced the draft Quebec Charter of Values.[3]
Does not seem like a very liberal mosque. Not extremist indeed, average conservative (
bon teint in French for Viper), or are the standards for mosques so low?
Well, yeah.
Can we please wait like a day or so for some details about the perpetrators?
Guy I know from another forum (not Paradox) went to school with one of the perps... hadn't seen him in 10+ years though.
@Duque - the Liberal party opposed that as well :hmm:
Though I do agree that not covering up one's face when providing public services is a red line for me too.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 30, 2017, 12:45:47 PM
@Duque - the Liberal party opposed that as well :hmm:
Though I do agree that not covering up one's face when providing public services is a red line for me too.
The Charter of Quebec Values was widely opposed, and ultimately was never introduced.
Second suspect released without charge.
Alexandre Bissonnette seems to be the lone gunman.
http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/alexandre-bissonnette-quebec-city-canada-mosque-shooting-attack-suspect-gunman-shooter-photos-pictures-video-motive/
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/alexandre-bissonnette-3-e1485788128886.jpg?quality=65&strip=all)
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 30, 2017, 12:45:47 PM
@Duque - the Liberal party opposed that as well :hmm:
Though I do agree that not covering up one's face when providing public services is a red line for me too.
The Liberals are well-known multiculturalists with a thing for Islam(ism). Liberal in name only. Post-modern left is more like it.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 30, 2017, 11:27:20 AM
Does not seem like a very liberal mosque. Not extremist indeed, average conservative (bon teint in French for Viper), or are the standards for mosques so low?
Bélanger-Campeau was about Quebec's constitutional future. Bill 94 was a mess, and the Charter of Values was a tad discriminatory toward muslims already employed by the government and with no contact to the public.
And yes, the standard for religious organizations are pretty low. L'Assemblée des Évêques has taken much more extreme positions on some political subjects in the past. And compared to people like Adil Charkaoui, yes, they are extremely liberal.
Only one shooter, the Morrocan guy was a bystander who fled when seeing armed people (the cops) entering the mosque. He's considered a simple witness now and has been released.
I'll have to dig up the source but I read the Moroccan guy is the one who called 911 [or whatever the metric conversion is].
Quote from: viper37 on January 30, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
Only one shooter, the Morrocan guy was a bystander who fled when seeing armed people (the cops) entering the mosque. He's considered a simple witness now and has been released.
Luckiest bastard in the bunch. Had that occurred in the US, he'd be dead.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 30, 2017, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 30, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
Only one shooter, the Morrocan guy was a bystander who fled when seeing armed people (the cops) entering the mosque. He's considered a simple witness now and has been released.
Luckiest bastard in the bunch. Had that occurred in the US, he'd be dead.
Oh stop.
Quote from: 11B4V on January 30, 2017, 08:13:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 30, 2017, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 30, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
Only one shooter, the Morrocan guy was a bystander who fled when seeing armed people (the cops) entering the mosque. He's considered a simple witness now and has been released.
Luckiest bastard in the bunch. Had that occurred in the US, he'd be dead.
Oh stop.
I USED THE FORCE NECESSARY TO ELIMINATE THE MUSLIM THREAT
Quote from: sbr on January 30, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
I'll have to dig up the source but I read the Moroccan guy is the one who called 911 [or whatever the metric conversion is].
Yes, he was taking care of the wounded after he heard the gunshots, but when he saw the cops entering with guns in hands, he tought someone was coming back to shoot him, so he ran.
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Luckiest bastard in the bunch. Had that occurred in the US, he'd be dead.
I was thinking the same thing today, but I was hesitant to post it :D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 30, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
I USED THE FORCE NECESSARY TO ELIMINATE THE MUSLIM THREAT
You can take the Cop out of Baltimore, but can't take the Baltimore out of the cop?
Quote from: sbr on January 30, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
I'll have to dig up the source but I read the Moroccan guy is the one who called 911 [or whatever the metric conversion is].
Just read that too.
Says a lot about our media that he was reported as the attacker....
Quote from: Tyr on January 31, 2017, 03:49:27 AM
Quote from: sbr on January 30, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
I'll have to dig up the source but I read the Moroccan guy is the one who called 911 [or whatever the metric conversion is].
Just read that too.
Says a lot about our media that he was reported as the attacker....
He was arrested and the police released his name (albeit erronously at first). It's only later during the day that he was released and considered a witness. Can't blame the media on this. The guy panicked, the police saw someone fleeing the scene, they ran after him and arrested him.
Islamic fundies/Syrian refugees looking awfully white these days.
Quote from: Josephus on January 31, 2017, 08:51:46 AM
Islamic fundies/Syrian refugees looking awfully white these days.
Naturally. The case of Dow vs. United States ruled that Syrians are to be classified as white persons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_v._United_States
#syrianssowhite
Details are still sketchy, but the accused has mentionned being inspired by Donald Trump's anti-muslim rethoric. Non whites are the ennemy, apparently.
He went from moderately conservative to full blown racist over the last year.
he used a modified long rifle that jammed because of the mods he made, and one 9mm pistol. The gun was mostly likely registered.
One of the victims tried to tackle him to save others. Yes, the irony did not escape the Languishite that I am :(
In doing so, he likely saved a couple of other people in the room, it's hard tot tell at this point.
Quote from: viper37 on February 01, 2017, 10:00:05 AM
Details are still sketchy, but the accused has mentionned being inspired by Donald Trump's anti-muslim rethorice. Non whites are the ennemy, apparently.
Jesus.
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2017, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 01, 2017, 10:00:05 AM
Details are still sketchy, but the accused has mentionned being inspired by Donald Trump's anti-muslim rethorice. Non whites are the ennemy, apparently.
Jesus.
Jesus? Another notorious Middle-Easterner. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on February 01, 2017, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2017, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 01, 2017, 10:00:05 AM
Details are still sketchy, but the accused has mentionned being inspired by Donald Trump's anti-muslim rethorice. Non whites are the ennemy, apparently.
Jesus.
Jesus? Another notorious Middle-Easterner. ;)
Welcome back!
Quote from: PRC on February 01, 2017, 03:33:05 PM
Welcome back!
I haven't really been away - just really busy. :(
Gotta love social media.
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Leur esti dhistoire fait pas de sens anyway... Je suis sur que Trudeau est en arriere de cette attaque... Alex cest un patsy... Pis checker nous bin perdre nos droit en mars a cause de ca... Les esti de musulmans vont nous rirent dans face encore plus!!
Their fucking story doesn't make sens anyway... I'm sure Trudeau is behind that attack... Alex is a pasty... Watch our rights go away in march... The fucking muslims will laugh in our face even more!!At some point, fighting so much stupidity becomes just impossible.
FALSE FLAG!
Of course he's pasty. He's a white nationalist. 😛
Would be nice if Muslims did laugh in their face.
He's from Cornwall :hmm: ?