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If Yi has a thread, I can too. :)

Let me start this by saying I hate cars beyond their ability to move me from point a to point b. And I rarely need to do that, since I recently moved into a condo in a hotel that is basically in an outdoor mall with a grocery store and target next door and a bunch of restaurants and shopping within a block. And I'm one mile from work. :)

My current car is a honda civic from 2003 I got in college. While it meets all my needs, it is getting embarrassing. 3 of the 4 windows don't work, the lock on one door is busted, it has a nasty vibration, the radio stopped working, I was rear ended almost a year ago and never got it fixed, I have some serious recall issue I never resolved, and a few other minor problems.

So I need a new car. I do lots of hiking and camping, so a lot of people say, "You need an SUV!" but that is such BS. My civic can fit 4 people, and the trunk is big enough to carry all the weight four people can carry on their backs (I am strongly opposed to ever camping at a place you can drive to). I feel fine driving my current car on dirt roads.

So my major considerations are costs and what gets me social cred (or doesn't get me negative social cred).

My options so far:
-lower end Mercedes or BMW. The low end versions don't cost too much, and I get a shitty status symbol. FWIW, my girlfriend said she would think less of me if I got one of these cars. While that seems to be a negative, perhaps she is just scared of the competition for her I'd be attracting? :hmm:

-a leaf or other electric car. See the Mercedes or BMW, yet with the status symbol being a display of environmental consciousness. My girlfriend also said she would think less of me if I got this car. Has the downside of not having the range to go on some of the weekend trips I take, but on the other hand that also gets me out of driving for them.  :hmm:

-a honda accord. My civic has been awesome. I feel loyalty to honda. An accord is better, but also just really seems boring. Maybe a Nissan Altima?

-a small SUV, something like a Subaru Forrester. Not too hard to park in the city. On the downside my best friend just got one so I'd be copying him. My girlfriend thinks I should do this. While that seems like a positive, see what I wrote on the BMW/Mercedes, and apply the opposite. :hmm:

I know some on this forum have a fetish for FJ Cruisers. I'm not going to get an out of model car, but I definitely get the appeal and might have done so if they were still making them. But I don't do offroading and live in the center of a major city.

Tesla.

Aren't they like $80k or something? Fuck that.

The upcoming one is $35K

Besides, I thought you were a baller now.

Apparently deliveries won't be until mid 2018 or later. That is a bit too long to wait.

https://www.tesla.com/model3

I bet they can sell a zillion of those things if they want to, though.

Is your GF's taste in men similar to his taste in cars?  :hmm:

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
Apparently deliveries won't be until mid 2018 or later. That is a bit too long to wait.

https://www.tesla.com/model3

I bet they can sell a zillion of those things if they want to, though.

BMW i3 then.  :P

Quote from: Tonitrus on January 28, 2017, 11:36:04 AM
Besides, I thought you were a baller now.

Fuck no--certainly not enough to drop $80k on a piece of machinery that has a function that a $15-20k piece of machinery can fufill.

Go electric, screw your gf.

iirc, cars do nothing to the environment. and, again iirc, the maintenance costs on electric cars can be stupidly expensive that you're not saving much (if anything?) on lower gas costs

Quote from: LaCroix on January 28, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
iirc, cars do nothing to the environment. and, again iirc, the maintenance costs on electric cars can be stupidly expensive that you're not saving much (if anything?) on lower gas costs

They pollute less in the city and the maintenance costs are not stupidly expensive.

Yeah, they affect air quality in cities massively.

Quote from: Liep on January 28, 2017, 12:09:27 PM

Quote from: LaCroix on January 28, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
iirc, cars do nothing to the environment. and, again iirc, the maintenance costs on electric cars can be stupidly expensive that you're not saving much (if anything?) on lower gas costs

They pollute less in the city and the maintenance costs are not stupidly expensive.

re: pollution, referring to some article I saw at one point that said the total pollution from cars has basically no impact on the environment. the maintenance costs refers to replacing the battery, which I've read can cost several thousand??

I have no idea about the total pollution including production but for people who lives in cities electric cars are much much healthier.

Quote from: LaCroix on January 28, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
iirc, cars do nothing to the environment.

That is actually retarded.

hmm, google skim suggests it's wrong, so I don't know what I read

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
Let me start this by saying I hate cars beyond their ability to move me from point a to point b.

Get a 2-3 year old used car (lease return or so) then.

Quote from: Tonitrus on January 28, 2017, 11:34:03 AM
Tesla.

Yeah, if he can afford it.

Good alternatives are the BMW i3 or the Kia Soul EV

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
My options so far:
-lower end Mercedes or BMW. The low end versions don't cost too much, and I get a shitty status symbol. FWIW, my girlfriend said she would think less of me if I got one of these cars. While that seems to be a negative, perhaps she is just scared of the competition for her I'd be attracting? :hmm:

Avoid at all costs.  They're not worth the money you poor into it.
You only buy such cars if:
a) you live in a big city, close to a Mercedes dealer and lots of mechanics who specializes into these cars
b) you are rich (talking about 500k$/year min per couple)
c) you are adept at doing mechanical work yourself

I bought one and it's the only car I really regret buying.  Now, I'm stuck with it for a while longer and I hate it more&more everyday.

Maybe the AMC line is better, but I doubt it.  It's filled with conceptual error and the electronics keep failing.  My cousin had a BMW and he ran into the same problem.  He changed it back for a Ford truck.

Given that you still live in the south (right?), I'd go for a Nissan Leaf Electric car.  They ain't very good in northern climates like Quebec since during winter your autonomy falls rapidly (20-50km max), but it's ok for warmer places.

Quote from: LaCroix on January 28, 2017, 12:11:21 PM
the maintenance costs refers to replacing the battery, which I've read can cost several thousand??

Depends on the model:
Link (http://www.komando.com/tips/334655/5-things-you-must-know-before-you-buy-an-all-electric-car/all)

Yes, it can be pricey for now.  By the time it needs to be changed, it could be a tad lower.

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 12:13:28 PM

Quote from: LaCroix on January 28, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
iirc, cars do nothing to the environment.

That is actually retarded.

What he really meant is there are so few cars in his hodforsaken state that their impact is negligible.

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
My options so far:
-lower end Mercedes or BMW. The low end versions don't cost too much, and I get a shitty status symbol. FWIW, my girlfriend said she would think less of me if I got one of these cars. While that seems to be a negative, perhaps she is just scared of the competition for her I'd be attracting? :hmm:

-a leaf or other electric car. See the Mercedes or BMW, yet with the status symbol being a display of environmental consciousness. My girlfriend also said she would think less of me if I got this car. Has the downside of not having the range to go on some of the weekend trips I take, but on the other hand that also gets me out of driving for them.  :hmm:

-a honda accord. My civic has been awesome. I feel loyalty to honda. An accord is better, but also just really seems boring. Maybe a Nissan Altima?

-a small SUV, something like a Subaru Forrester. Not too hard to park in the city. On the downside my best friend just got one so I'd be copying him. My girlfriend thinks I should do this. While that seems like a positive, see what I wrote on the BMW/Mercedes, and apply the opposite. :hmm:

I know some on this forum have a fetish for FJ Cruisers. I'm not going to get an out of model car, but I definitely get the appeal and might have done so if they were still making them. But I don't do offroading and live in the center of a major city.

My recommendation is to punch your girlfriend square in the fucking throat, and get the car you want.  Fuck.

CdM, what I tried to convey and you may not be picking up on, is I don't give a fuck about the car I drive. My choice would probably be to fix up my 14 year old honda civic and drive it for another 10 years or until the self driving cars take over and I can just use ubers.

Since this is entirely about what other people think, and girls most especially, why not consider their point of view?

Get a Porsche then.

Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 28, 2017, 01:21:40 PMWhat he really meant is there are so few cars in his hodforsaken state that their impact is negligible.

no i read* an article once and it said words that maybe meant that

Generally speaking, I'd avoid electrics for now.  You're paying more for less car, though the gap is narrowing (and might be closed when the new "entry-level" Tesla comes out).

If you have a Honda and are happy with it, yeah, then an Accord makes sense.  But you're right--they're boring, about as boring as a car can be.  My mom's got an Altima that I drive, and it's a nice car, though it's a bit boring, too (though nowhere near as badly as an Accord).

SUVs are over-rated IMO, unless you're going off-road, which most SUVs aren't really good at anyway.

With BMW or Mercedes, you're definitely paying a premium for it being a status symbol, not that they aren't good cars.  IMO, most BMWs are cooler than comparable Mercedes.

And Zanza is right--if all you care about is having a vehicle that'll get you where you want to go, a program car or other late-model used car makes a lot more sense than buying new.

Based on the rest of your comments, I voted Accord or similar.  Keep in mind that there are other cars in that class besides the Accord and Maxima.

Quote from: Zanza on January 28, 2017, 01:42:48 PM
Get a Porsche then.

This thread is kind of a search for that middle ground between the ancient civic i'm fine with and the porsche the women want.

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 01:41:17 PM
Since this is entirely about what other people think, and girls most especially, why not consider their point of view?

I am not sure it is worth considering girls who think that a car is an important thing. 

Lexus convertible.

Honda Accord.

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 01:41:17 PM
CdM, what I tried to convey and you may not be picking up on, is I don't give a fuck about the car I drive. My choice would probably be to fix up my 14 year old honda civic and drive it for another 10 years or until the self driving cars take over and I can just use ubers.

Since this is entirely about what other people think, and girls most especially, why not consider their point of view?

If you feel it's necessary to manage capital purchases according to what others think--particularly pussy--then whatever car you settle on getting, you need to promptly drive it off the lot and straight into a shopping center wall at 40 mph. 
That's 64.3738 kph in your filthy ass dirty Russian measurements.

Or just another Honda.

AR, sounds like you don't need a car full time, have you considering just hiring them for when you do?

Maybe also find a company that rents out premium cars for special occasions, so you can indulge your GF's car status desires with something more exotic once in a while?

Electric cars are too expensive and they are a lot of trouble, both in terms of charging and fixing if and when they break down.

Quote from: Monoriu on January 28, 2017, 04:08:15 PM
Electric cars are too expensive and they are a lot of trouble, both in terms of charging and fixing if and when they break down.

You're not replacing D cell batteries every week, you cheap ass bastard.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 28, 2017, 04:12:25 PM

Quote from: Monoriu on January 28, 2017, 04:08:15 PM
Electric cars are too expensive and they are a lot of trouble, both in terms of charging and fixing if and when they break down.

You're not replacing D cell batteries every week, you cheap ass bastard.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100561_tesla-model-s-too-many-problems-to-recommend-consumer-reports-says

Quote from: mongers on January 28, 2017, 04:04:15 PM
AR, sounds like you don't need a car full time, have you considering just hiring them for when you do?

Well, I live just over a mile from work. In theory I could bike it, but it is rather heavily congested and dangerous during rush hour. I really do need a car. Public transportation in Atlanta is basically non existant.

QuoteMaybe also find a company that rents out premium cars for special occasions, so you can indulge your GF's car status desires with something more exotic once in a while?

There is a mix up here. :) She has no car status desires, hates cars, is fine with the Honda Civic, and says paying extra to get a "status" car like a mercedes or BMW or Leaf (harder to explain) would make her think less of me.

But I do think that a broken down old civic is romantically limiting (despite cool ladies like the one I've mentioned), and also it is noticed that I have the worst car in the parking lot among my coworkers, and one refuses to ride in it (not comfortable enough).

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 04:27:45 PM
There is a mix up here. :) She has no car status desires, hates cars, is fine with the Honda Civic, and says paying extra to get a "status" car like a mercedes or BMW or Leaf (harder to explain) would make her think less of me.

There's no mix up here.

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
FWIW, my girlfriend said she would think less of me
...
My girlfriend also said she would think less of me
...
My girlfriend thinks I should do this.

lol, Ideologue4Heisman.  #GrabbedByPussy

It has been decided. I will get a Mercedes to prove CdM wrong. :)

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
It has been decided. I will get a Mercedes to prove CdM wrong. :)

:cool:

You'll make Zanza a happy man, but don't tweet about it to Trump, you'll make him blow a gasket.

What model are you looking at?

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
It has been decided. I will get a Mercedes to prove CdM wrong. :)

I hope you have a friend well versed in the mechanical arts.  :)

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 04:27:45 PM

Quote from: mongers on January 28, 2017, 04:04:15 PM
AR, sounds like you don't need a car full time, have you considering just hiring them for when you do?

Well, I live just over a mile from work. In theory I could bike it, but it is rather heavily congested and dangerous during rush hour. I really do need a car. Public transportation in Atlanta is basically non existant.

QuoteMaybe also find a company that rents out premium cars for special occasions, so you can indulge your GF's car status desires with something more exotic once in a while?

There is a mix up here. :) She has no car status desires, hates cars, is fine with the Honda Civic, and says paying extra to get a "status" car like a mercedes or BMW or Leaf (harder to explain) would make her think less of me.

But I do think that a broken down old civic is romantically limiting (despite cool ladies like the one I've mentioned), and also it is noticed that I have the worst car in the parking lot among my coworkers, and one refuses to ride in it (not comfortable enough).

A mile?  You should fucking walk to work.  It would probably be faster than driving.

I'll give you the same advice I gave Yi (which he turned down).  Get a smallish crossover like the Forrester, or if you're a Honda man, a CR-V.  It's mechanically based on the Civic, but the higher body gives you a better view, the AWD can help on uncertain roads, and the slightly SUV-ish appearance works with your outdoorsy hiking lifestyle, while hardly being a vehicle that marks you out to be appearance-obsessed.

Quote from: Barrister on January 29, 2017, 10:21:11 AM
A mile?  You should fucking walk to work.  It would probably be faster than driving.

I'll give you the same advice I gave Yi (which he turned down).  Get a smallish crossover like the Forrester, or if you're a Honda man, a CR-V.  It's mechanically based on the Civic, but the higher body gives you a better view, the AWD can help on uncertain roads, and the slightly SUV-ish appearance works with your outdoorsy hiking lifestyle, while hardly being a vehicle that marks you out to be appearance-obsessed.

There may not be a viable sidewalk path.  This is Atlanta we're talking about, you probably can't get your mail without a car.

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
It has been decided. I will get a Mercedes to prove CdM wrong. :)

Great.  So you're going from being henpecked by your gf to make certain choices as to your vehicle purchase, to being goaded by CdM to make certain choices as to your vehicle purchase.

Look, if you and your gr actually like your old Honda, but the issue is that it's getting in somewhat bad condition and it'll cost more (or close to that) to fix it up than it's worth, sell it and get another Honda of similar vintage but in better condition.

People who drive Benzes are pretentious douchebags anyway.

Get what you want, Dorsey.  Just don't get something because some temporary pussy in your life has an opinion about it.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2017, 04:02:39 PM
Get what you want, Dorsey.  Just don't get something because some temporary pussy in your life has an opinion about it.

As good a reason as any.  A car is not a tattoo.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 29, 2017, 04:07:10 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2017, 04:02:39 PM
Get what you want, Dorsey.  Just don't get something because some temporary pussy in your life has an opinion about it.

As good a reason as any.  A car is not a tattoo.

Use it to acquire fresh new pussy, not to placate stale, present tells-you-what-to-do pussy.  You've got marriage for that.

If Dorsey gets a Mercedes, is it going to be the most expensive car on languish  :showoff:

Quote from: Monoriu on January 29, 2017, 04:20:39 PM
If Dorsey gets a Mercedes, is it going to be the most expensive car on languish  :showoff:

It won't be, Otto for one will have a nicer motor.

Current gen Forester is a nice drive. My next car is probably going to be a previous-gen Prius, though. I'm flogging the Matrix pretty hard, but realistically I never drive far except on the weekends. So I need a city car with some decent cargo capacity.

Quote from: Monoriu on January 29, 2017, 04:20:39 PM
If Dorsey gets a Mercedes, is it going to be the most expensive car on languish  :showoff:

Not as expensive as my Rolls Royce.  :sleep:

Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 29, 2017, 05:08:26 PM

Quote from: Monoriu on January 29, 2017, 04:20:39 PM
If Dorsey gets a Mercedes, is it going to be the most expensive car on languish  :showoff:

Not as expensive as my Rolls Royce.  :sleep:

Yeah, right.

Pretty sure Lemonjello has a luxury ride.

PLJ drives a Maserati.  Don't tell him I told you, though.

I seem to remember he had one of these "recommend me a car" threads a few years ago.  Didn't remember what we recommended or what he actually got, and he may have changed cars more than once since then anyway.

I've got a friend that runs a used BMW and Mercedes Benz auto dealership.  He recommends even older (7-10-years) Mercedes over most 3-year-old used cars (except the jap ones) in terms of likely maintenance expenses.  Benzes are expensive to get fixed, but things seldom go wrong.  BMWs are another story...

I still drool over the Bentleys.

Quote from: Ed Anger on January 29, 2017, 08:14:17 PM
I still drool over the Bentleys.

I guy I worked with had a Jag XJ.  It was beautiful.  He had a bumper sticker on it that read "The parts falling off of this automobile are of the finest British manufacture."

Quote from: dps on January 29, 2017, 05:47:43 PM

Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 29, 2017, 05:08:26 PM

Quote from: Monoriu on January 29, 2017, 04:20:39 PM
If Dorsey gets a Mercedes, is it going to be the most expensive car on languish  :showoff:

Not as expensive as my Rolls Royce.  :sleep:

Yeah, right.

Pretty sure Lemonjello has a luxury ride.

Lemonjello proudly drives a F150.

Turns out a lighter and an ashtray are a $35 option.  :lol:

Sorry Fredo, wrong thread.

Quote from: grumbler on January 29, 2017, 06:19:06 PM
Benzes are expensive to get fixed, but things seldom go wrong. 

fuck that.

I went with the advice of the one wise member of languish that voted for the subaru forrester, and bought a subaru forrester today.

Quote from: alfred russel on March 18, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
I went with the advice of the one wise member of languish that voted for the subaru forrester, and bought a subaru forrester today.

US$25k-30k?  Or is it used?

Quote from: Monoriu on March 18, 2017, 03:43:35 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on March 18, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
I went with the advice of the one wise member of languish that voted for the subaru forrester, and bought a subaru forrester today.

US$25k-30k?  Or is it used?

New. About $26k after tax.

For the young, hip, outdoorsy type...should have gone with the Crosstrek.

Instead, you went the soccer-mom route.  :P

But I kid...I know a couple young, single co-workers up here who drive Foresters.

Quote from: Tonitrus on March 18, 2017, 05:05:32 PM
Instead, you went the soccer-mom route.  :P

But I kid...I know a couple young, single co-workers up here who drive Foresters.

You just don't call them soccer-moms to their faces.

Quote from: alfred russel on March 18, 2017, 04:15:47 PM

Quote from: Monoriu on March 18, 2017, 03:43:35 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on March 18, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
I went with the advice of the one wise member of languish that voted for the subaru forrester, and bought a subaru forrester today.

US$25k-30k?  Or is it used?

New. About $26k after tax.

You guys have it easy.  I imagine that the tax that you paid is less than 100%.  I paid 100% tax on my car :weep:

Quote from: Monoriu on March 18, 2017, 05:35:23 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on March 18, 2017, 04:15:47 PM

Quote from: Monoriu on March 18, 2017, 03:43:35 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on March 18, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
I went with the advice of the one wise member of languish that voted for the subaru forrester, and bought a subaru forrester today.

US$25k-30k?  Or is it used?

New. About $26k after tax.

You guys have it easy.  I imagine that the tax that you paid is less than 100%.  I paid 100% tax on my car :weep:

Much, much less.

Quote from: Monoriu on March 18, 2017, 05:35:23 PM
You guys have it easy.  I imagine that the tax that you paid is less than 100%.  I paid 100% tax on my car :weep:

Only you can prevent forest fires.  Dumbass.

I'd gladly trade mono's tax situation for ours, high taxes on cars notwithstanding.

Quote from: alfred russel on March 18, 2017, 06:21:21 PM
I'd gladly trade mono's tax situation for ours, high taxes on cars notwithstanding.

You can't have your cake and eat it.
But with Trump's border tax adjustement proposals, it will look kinda like this.  You will pay less income taxes, but pay everything you buy much, much more.

Mono's tax situation leads to Mono's government services situation and families of four living in 50 square foot apartments.

Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 18, 2017, 06:57:08 PM
Mono's tax situation leads to Mono's government services situation and families of four living in 50 square foot apartments.

How does it do that?

No money.

I get ET's point about low taxes resulting in poor government and as a result challenging living circumstances. But he picked a poor example.

Hong Kong is a very small jurisdiction that is highly populated. The result is very high density and a premium on living space. The reason it is so highly populated is that, Mono's portrayal notwithstanding, it is a desirable location versus the mainland with a high standard of living.

Quote from: Tonitrus on March 18, 2017, 05:05:32 PM
you went the soccer-mom route.  :P

I know. :(

An electric car just isn't practical, a luxury car is a waste of money, a compact car by a mass auto maker gets me made fun of.

Which leaves a sedan or something like the forester, and in reality the forester really is a bit more practical.

I hate cars. I welcome the self driving car future. Hopefully this will be the last car I buy.

You going to try to run over yourself with this one, too?

I could understand the argument if you had been saying that Hong Kong should increase it's negligible tax rate and base in order to build subsidized housing, but the post you responded to was about an exorbitant tax on car purchases. That's what I didn't get.  How does a high tax on cars produce bird cage living conditions?

Mono has boasted about his low taxes numerous times.  :huh:

Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 19, 2017, 02:01:24 AM
Mono has boasted about his low taxes numerous times.  :huh:

So was that your point?  Low tax, no government welfare spending?

More or less.

K.

Quote from: alfred russel on January 28, 2017, 11:50:07 AM

Quote from: Tonitrus on January 28, 2017, 11:36:04 AM
Besides, I thought you were a baller now.

Fuck no--certainly not enough to drop $80k on a piece of machinery that has a function that a $15-20k piece of machinery can fufill.

Good thing a Tesla S is only $70k! :w00t: