A couple of years ago, I had to have a tooth pulled because I couldn't afford to have a root canal and crown. It's pretty far back in my mouth, so it's not that obvious, but I still hate that there is this hole. Now, the tooth right next to that one will likely have to be pulled because it's been damaged enough that a root canal and crown may not be possible.
I want the space filled, so I was trying to decide between a bridge or implants. Did a little research, and holy shit, the price difference is insane!
Bridge: Lasts maybe 5-10 years, and by most accounts are a major pain in the ass
Cost: $3200 at $800/tooth needing replaced (it would be four because they destroy the teeth on either side of the gap to fit the bridge)
Insurance for bridge: $1000
Total for Meri: $2200 (refundable through my FSA; still my money, but at least tax-free)
Implants: Lasts 20-30 years, and by all accounts is the far superior way to go
Costs: $7500 at ~$4000 for first one and $3500 for second one
Insurance for Implants: $1000
Total for Meri: $6500 ($2500 of which is refundable through my FSA)
I was talking on Facebook about this, and a friend of mine sent me a private message with a link to her dentist's information... in Costa Rica. She goes there for all of her "extra" dental work that insurance only covers slightly, if at all.
Implants in CR: $850 for two
Cost to travel: $1500 at $750 x 2 (have to go twice for implants)
Insurance coverage: $0
Total for Meri: $2350 ($850 of which is refundable through my FSA)
Guess who's going on vacation to Costa Rica this fall?
Trump is going to make you pay a 35% tax on importing your new teeth to the USA and stealing the work from a good hard-working American dentist.
Quote from: Zanza on January 25, 2017, 12:41:05 PM
Trump is going to make you pay a 35% tax on importing your new teeth to the USA and stealing the work from a good hard-working American dentist.
Fuck Trump. :punk:
I had five teeth pulled recently. :(
I just looked it up. Implants cost 500€ apiece under my insurance.
Quote from: merithyn on January 25, 2017, 12:37:20 PM
A couple of years ago, I had to have a tooth pulled because I couldn't afford to have a root canal and crown. It's pretty far back in my mouth, so it's not that obvious, but I still hate that there is this hole. Now, the tooth right next to that one will likely have to be pulled because it's been damaged enough that a root canal and crown may not be possible.
I want the space filled, so I was trying to decide between a bridge or implants. Did a little research, and holy shit, the price difference is insane!
Bridge: Lasts maybe 5-10 years, and by most accounts are a major pain in the ass
Cost: $3200 at $800/tooth needing replaced (it would be four because they destroy the teeth on either side of the gap to fit the bridge)
Insurance for bridge: $1000
Total for Meri: $2200 (refundable through my FSA; still my money, but at least tax-free)
Implants: Lasts 20-30 years, and by all accounts is the far superior way to go
Costs: $7500 at ~$4000 for first one and $3500 for second one
Insurance for Implants: $1000
Total for Meri: $6500 ($2500 of which is refundable through my FSA)
I was talking on Facebook about this, and a friend of mine sent me a private message with a link to her dentist's information... in Costa Rica. She goes there for all of her "extra" dental work that insurance only covers slightly, if at all.
Implants in CR: $850 for two
Cost to travel: $1500 at $750 x 2 (have to go twice for implants)
Insurance coverage: $0
Total for Meri: $2350 ($850 of which is refundable through my FSA)
Guess who's going on vacation to Costa Rica this fall?
Yeah, I heard about a pretty good dentist in Mexico too, a guy who studied in Quebec but decided to move over there.
Dental costs are insane here too.
I've never even had a cavity.
No Costa Rica vacations for me. :(
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 25, 2017, 02:28:07 PM
I've never even had a cavity.
No Costa Rica vacations for me. :(
Cavities don't mean shit as you get older. It's all about the gums.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2017, 02:29:54 PMCavities don't mean shit as you get older. It's all about the gums.
a google search on gum disease and flossing got me this
http://www.today.com/health/there-s-little-proof-flossing-protects-your-teeth-or-gums-t101389
what the fuck
Quote from: merithyn on January 25, 2017, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 25, 2017, 12:41:05 PM
Trump is going to make you pay a 35% tax on importing your new teeth to the USA and stealing the work from a good hard-working American dentist.
Fuck Trump. :punk:
Nasty woman :P
Quote from: celedhring on January 25, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
I just looked it up. Implants cost 500€ apiece under my insurance.
Yeah, a good friend of mine had a load of dental work done last time he was visiting relatives in Southern Spain.
Why do you Brits need dental work when you have Hedley & Wyche toothpaste??
(https://www.nbc.com/sites/nbcunbc/files/files/images/2016/4/09/ef6bd8f1039c2087301abf879aa009d7_a4b9493d75e7da26756d183da2c2f439.jpg)
Meh. Dentists make like ~170k a year after going ~200k into debt for dental school plus another ~40k for college. Good on them for making some money after spending all of their 20s in higher ed going into mountains of debt.
I don't know anything about the dental insurance market. Are there no plans in Iowa with higher annual maximums?
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Meh. Dentists make like ~170k a year after going ~200k into debt for dental school plus another ~40k for college. Good on them for making some money after spending all of their 20s in higher ed going into mountains of debt.
Good for them, not so good for those of us with teeth though.
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
I don't know anything about the dental insurance market. Are there no plans in Iowa with higher annual maximums?
Illinois.
Quote from: Valmy on January 25, 2017, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Meh. Dentists make like ~170k a year after going ~200k into debt for dental school plus another ~40k for college. Good on them for making some money after spending all of their 20s in higher ed going into mountains of debt.
Good for them, not so good for those of us with teeth though.
It is good for you with teeth, because you actually can get your dental problems taken care of in a reasonable amount of time. If dentists didn't make any money then no one would go deep into debt and waste time in dental school.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2017, 02:29:54 PM
Cavities don't mean shit as you get older. It's all about the gums.
Yes, i devote my energy to flossing and picks and a super mouthwash called peridontex or something. I also get my teeth cleaned 4 times a year by a real vixen. Love my dentist, prevention is essential for avoiding those big bills.
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Meh. Dentists make like ~170k a year after going ~200k into debt for dental school plus another ~40k for college. Good on them for making some money after spending all of their 20s in higher ed going into mountains of debt.
I don't know anything about the dental insurance market. Are there no plans in Iowa with higher annual maximums?
Dental procedure prices never struck me as excessive, considering what's involved, and considering how much seemingly less involved medical procedures outside of dentistry cost. It takes some skill to dig inside tiny tooth canals effectively. The problem is that while those costs are relatively reasonable, they're far too inadequately covered by insurance. Though I guess there may be a connection there. :hmm:
As for annual maximums, to the best of my knowledge, no dental insurance provides more than $2000 or so, which hasn't changed since forever. Adverse selection will probably kill dental insurers if they offer more, especially as a choice.
Quote from: fromtia on January 25, 2017, 07:49:39 PM
Love my dentist, prevention is essential for avoiding those big bills.
Yup, considering there's more and more evidence that oral hygiene impacts other health issues.
There are three sacred dental rules that everybody must follow, unless you have no teeth -
a) brush your teeth twice a day, after breakfast and dinner respectively. No food or drinks are allowed (except water) after the last brush;
b) brush the teeth with an interdental brush daily; and
c) visit a dentist every 6 months.
I have followed these rules and I do not have a single cavity in my whole life. My only dental problems relate to wisdom teeth.
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:26:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 25, 2017, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Meh. Dentists make like ~170k a year after going ~200k into debt for dental school plus another ~40k for college. Good on them for making some money after spending all of their 20s in higher ed going into mountains of debt.
Good for them, not so good for those of us with teeth though.
It is good for you with teeth, because you actually can get your dental problems taken care of in a reasonable amount of time. If dentists didn't make any money then no one would go deep into debt and waste time in dental school.
:hmm: Wow, never thought of it that way. I hope my dentist raises his prices, maybe it'll encourage more to do the same and we'll end up with the really effective system of dental care we deserve.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on January 25, 2017, 08:02:07 PM
:hmm: Wow, never thought of it that way. I hope my dentist raises his prices, maybe it'll encourage more to do the same and we'll end up with the really effective system of dental care we deserve.
I respect any doctor with enough smarts to get into a field of medicine that lets him go home at 5 and not work weekends. But, dental coverage--like vision--will always be seen as "optional" when it comes to healthcare coverage.
I've had so many cavities (50+) that only 5 teeth are left without any work.
But since I catch them early in their development, no root canals for me.
in my experience, dental insurance is pretty cheap, too.
@mono - teeth genes can come into play re cavities (and other problems I assume). some people are just less prone at having problems than others.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 25, 2017, 08:07:05 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on January 25, 2017, 08:02:07 PM
:hmm: Wow, never thought of it that way. I hope my dentist raises his prices, maybe it'll encourage more to do the same and we'll end up with the really effective system of dental care we deserve.
I respect any doctor with enough smarts to get into a field of medicine that lets him go home at 5 and not work weekends. But, dental coverage--like vision--will always be seen as "optional" when it comes to healthcare coverage.
Work weekends? Most Dentists I have come across aren't even open on Fridays.
Quote from: celedhring on January 25, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
I just looked it up. Implants cost 500€ apiece under my insurance.
Spain is another hot spot for Americans to go for dental work.
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Meh. Dentists make like ~170k a year after going ~200k into debt for dental school plus another ~40k for college. Good on them for making some money after spending all of their 20s in higher ed going into mountains of debt.
Okay? I don't want to be the one to pay three times more than a trip to Costa Rica for the work.
QuoteI don't know anything about the dental insurance market. Are there no plans in Iowa with higher annual maximums?
I have no idea. I live in Illinois, and my insurance is through my company.
Quote from: LaCroix on January 25, 2017, 08:15:29 PM
in my experience, dental insurance is pretty cheap, too.
@mono - teeth genes can come into play re cavities (and other problems I assume). some people are just less prone at having problems than others.
Dental insurance is cheap... if through your company. Then you're tied to their plans. For the last eight years, my dental insurance has been pretty awful. Now it's pretty good. Before, any dental work was only paid out at 60% with the exception of preventative care, which was paid out 100%. That's not really helpful when I get a cavity and can't afford to pay the $75 to get it filled. I had a tooth pulled instead of getting a root canal and crown because it was a difference in cost of $125 for the pulled tooth or $450 for the root canal and crown, and that $125 was tough to find in the budget.
So yeah, dental stuff isn't a priority sans serious pain. As it is, I've had this toothache for three weeks while I work out when I can afford to have everything paid for, and I've got damn good insurance now.
Over here in socialist Belgium. I pay 25€ for a regular dentist visit of which I get a refund of about 20€ from our social insurance, but only if I let my teeth be checked every year. Pulling a tooth costed me 50€. My dentist works weekends and evenings. I had my wisdom removed at daycare hospital for around 800€, which was completely payed by my private insurer. Off course I pay 400€ a year for private insurance. Bigger problems off course cost a lot more. In the nineties my mom had to pay about now 1000€ for a bridge. Off course I pay the Highest tax rates in Western Europe. On my wages. So I feel your pain Americans, having to be afraid for the costs if something goes wrong health wise. Even here it's a worry but not as bankrupting as at your side.
Just went for my twice a year cleaning this morning. Had some pain in a molar, and my dentist is ending me to a specialist, thinks the molar might be cracked, potentially through, which would mean a root canal and crown.
Never had either before. It sounds....unpleasant.
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:26:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 25, 2017, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: Fate on January 25, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Meh. Dentists make like ~170k a year after going ~200k into debt for dental school plus another ~40k for college. Good on them for making some money after spending all of their 20s in higher ed going into mountains of debt.
Good for them, not so good for those of us with teeth though.
It is good for you with teeth, because you actually can get your dental problems taken care of in a reasonable amount of time. If dentists didn't make any money then no one would go deep into debt and waste time in dental school.
Just like the rest of the medical system, it seems the rest of the world is making it work with a lot less cost involved.
Wow.
And I felt annoyed enough paying 70 quid for a filling. That's ridiculous.
I haven't had one, but given how comedians have always referred to root canals, they can't be good.
Meri, be careful going to Costa Rica-- you may not want to come back.
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
I haven't had one, but given how comedians have always referred to root canals, they can't be good.
I have two. They are not so bad. I mean presuming having people drilling into your jaw doesn't bother you.
Quote from: Valmy on January 26, 2017, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
I haven't had one, but given how comedians have always referred to root canals, they can't be good.
I have two. They are not so bad. I mean presuming having people drilling into your jaw doesn't bother you.
I had one. After digging around in my tooth for two hours, their crown making machine was busted, so I had to come back a couple weeks later.
I get there, and the dentist said "you know I'm not really happy with the job I did" so he proceeded to dig around in my tooth for another couple of hours.
ABout two years later that tooth had to come out in any event - the dentist had done a shitty job and the tooth was cracked.
Root canals are exquisitely uncomfortable.
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
I haven't had one, but given how comedians have always referred to root canals, they can't be good.
Oh, I have had many. On two continents, both coasts of this one. My teeth are Jenna Jameson to those drills.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
Just went for my twice a year cleaning this morning. Had some pain in a molar, and my dentist is ending me to a specialist, thinks the molar might be cracked, potentially through, which would mean a root canal and crown.
Never had either before. It sounds....unpleasant.
It's not unpleasant at all if the specialist is any good, unless you already have an infection that would make it challenging to quickly and effectively numb the area. I would say that regular cleaning is more unpleasant.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2017, 12:08:41 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 26, 2017, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
I haven't had one, but given how comedians have always referred to root canals, they can't be good.
I have two. They are not so bad. I mean presuming having people drilling into your jaw doesn't bother you.
I had one. After digging around in my tooth for two hours, their crown making machine was busted, so I had to come back a couple weeks later.
I get there, and the dentist said "you know I'm not really happy with the job I did" so he proceeded to dig around in my tooth for another couple of hours.
ABout two years later that tooth had to come out in any event - the dentist had done a shitty job and the tooth was cracked.
Root canals are exquisitely uncomfortable.
IMO you should always have an endodontist do your root canal, that's their specialty. Regular dentists are jacks of all trades and rarely masters of root canals.
Quote from: DGuller on January 26, 2017, 01:41:44 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2017, 12:08:41 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 26, 2017, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
I haven't had one, but given how comedians have always referred to root canals, they can't be good.
I have two. They are not so bad. I mean presuming having people drilling into your jaw doesn't bother you.
I had one. After digging around in my tooth for two hours, their crown making machine was busted, so I had to come back a couple weeks later.
I get there, and the dentist said "you know I'm not really happy with the job I did" so he proceeded to dig around in my tooth for another couple of hours.
ABout two years later that tooth had to come out in any event - the dentist had done a shitty job and the tooth was cracked.
Root canals are exquisitely uncomfortable.
IMO you should always have an endodontist do your root canal, that's their specialty. Regular dentists are jacks of all trades and rarely masters of root canals.
That is now my advice. I forgot the same dentist also screwed up a root canal for my wife, forcing her to have to go to a specialist to have it fixed.
We don't see that dentist anymore. :mad:
Funny enough I had an appointment with the new dentist this morning for a cleaning / check-up. I can't say I like going to the dentist, but I have to disagree with you - a cleaning if way milder than a root canal.
I'm too lazy to do it, but I should switch dentists. This dude is getting old and his equipment, while well-maintained, seems to be straight out of the 50s. What's scary is how old his replacement is when he's on vacation.
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
I'm too lazy to do it, but I should switch dentists. This dude is getting old and his equipment, while well-maintained, seems to be straight out of the 50s. What's scary is how old his replacement is when he's on vacation.
For day to day stuff, cleanings, check-ups, and fillings, he's probably fine. My new dentist is a bit older, but he refers out anything complex so I have no problem with him.
He did unknowingly send me on quite the detour through dental specialists though. I commented to him that my bite is off - my teeth don't meet in the front, which can make say biting a sandwich a bit tougher. So I got sent to a prosthidontist, who sent me to an orthodontist, then they both consulted with me in the room. One wanted to do jaw surgery - break my jaw and re-set it so that my teeth would be aligned. The other said he thought he could fix it with braces. Both agreed though I needed to see a third specialist, an oral surgeon, to get the bad root canal tooth removed, before I could do anything.
After getting the surgery, I decided I would rather live with slightly harder to eat sandwiches than go through with that much dental work. :)
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
Just went for my twice a year cleaning this morning. Had some pain in a molar, and my dentist is ending me to a specialist, thinks the molar might be cracked, potentially through, which would mean a root canal and crown.
Never had either before. It sounds....unpleasant.
I had the same sort of scenario--pain in a molar, when I ate an untoasted, whole bagel :lol: fuck, that shit is solid--and they wanted to go straight to the crown, so I got a 2nd opinion because, yeah, it sounds terribly unpleasant.
X-rays showed that there could be "something" there, but he wasn't 100% convinced there was a crack. And he's not the type to do procedures for the sake of doing them, so we didn't. I haven't had any pain again for years.
I had a root canal once. It was fun. :)
I especially liked the part where the drill bit broke off in my tooth and the dentist couldn't find it. :cool:
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2017, 01:51:40 PM
Funny enough I had an appointment with the new dentist this morning for a cleaning / check-up. I can't say I like going to the dentist, but I have to disagree with you - a cleaning if way milder than a root canal.
Well, of course it is if you compare against your experience with root canals. But in general, when the root canal is done properly and you don't have any abscess in the area, the only pain felt is during the first injection, the one done to make the real injection painless. After that, if you're not bothered by the sounds and the pressure of the work done there, you'll just have to deal with boredom.
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 12:00:24 PM
Meri, be careful going to Costa Rica-- you may not want to come back.
I've heard this. Luckily, I'm a winter girl, so while I'm sure I'll love to visit, I'm not likely to want to stay.
I have a bias against places where the bugs are as big as my feet.
Quote from: merithyn on January 27, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 12:00:24 PM
Meri, be careful going to Costa Rica-- you may not want to come back.
I've heard this. Luckily, I'm a winter girl, so while I'm sure I'll love to visit, I'm not likely to want to stay.
I have a bias against places where the bugs are as big as my feet.
But based upon what my sister in law says, everyone down there is beautiful, everyone gets along, and it's paradise. Of course, that could be the THC talking.
Quote from: merithyn on January 27, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 26, 2017, 12:00:24 PM
Meri, be careful going to Costa Rica-- you may not want to come back.
I've heard this. Luckily, I'm a winter girl, so while I'm sure I'll love to visit, I'm not likely to want to stay.
I have a bias against places where the bugs are as big as my feet.
My mother had a lovely time there and she's not a fan of bugs of any size.
Quote from: derspiess on January 27, 2017, 10:15:47 AM
But based upon what my sister in law says, everyone down there is beautiful, everyone gets along, and it's paradise. Of course, that could be the THC talking.
:lol:
Guy I used to work with retired to Central America, comes back occasionally; it's not bad as long you know what to expect and appreciate a certain "lifestyle". Like no electricity on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays. Or mudslides knocking out roads for a week. If you're that kind of low-maintenance type, you can get by.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 27, 2017, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 27, 2017, 10:15:47 AM
But based upon what my sister in law says, everyone down there is beautiful, everyone gets along, and it's paradise. Of course, that could be the THC talking.
:lol:
Guy I used to work with retired to Central America, comes back occasionally; it's not bad as long you know what to expect and appreciate a certain "lifestyle". Like no electricity on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays. Or mudslides knocking out roads for a week. If you're that kind of low-maintenance type, you can get by.
Electricity I can live without, as long as the internet is ok!
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:lol:
Quote from: merithyn on January 27, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
I have a bias against places where the bugs are as big as my feet.
they have lizards like this, but no bugs that size afaik. It's a pretty nice place, apparently.