Ok sorry if there is a thread about it already but I couldn't find it.
Apparently, chicoms killed 140 protesters and wounded 800 more over night. And we worry about atrocities in Iran...
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/07/06/china.uyghur.protest/index.html
It agitated -me-. I've liked the uyghurs for years.
Invented the tightrope, so I heard.
Good job cracking down on Muslim Uyghur rioters.
These Uyghur, are they muslims?
The news reports I've read indicate that the Uyghurs launched attacks against Han civilians and killed dozens.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 04:14:54 AM
The news reports I've read indicate that the Uyghurs launched attacks against Han civilians and killed dozens.
I know now they are definitively muslim.
No one word about their religion.
The media is playing it as an ethnic conflict.
Western China? Suspiciously close to the muslimstans of center Asia.
Anybody find any pics of hot Uyghur women? Don't they have some blondes?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv477%2Fphotobucket2%2FXinjiang%2FUighurGirl1.jpg&hash=7119323b35deb21b5cc8556ccf964f7034eb27a8)
I knew they were muslim!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uyghur1.com%2Fuyghur%2Fpictures%2Fnews%2Fuighur_people3.jpg&hash=c993b5f503b9d1d1374dde946f3e2166803fc822)
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 04:14:54 AM
The news reports I've read indicate that the Uyghurs launched attacks against Han civilians and killed dozens.
Regime media FTW! :lol:
Siege, they portray it as an ethnic conflict because it is one. The chinese are attempting to assimilate them, cleanse them, and subvert their identity on their own (relatively worthless, no less) soil. You shouldent let their religion cloud that, and its a shame to see you make snap judgements about a people you had no prior information on based on the fact that they are muslims and therefore some type of savage.
And finally, islam at least subscribes to the God of Abraham, unlike the heathen chinese who alternate between worshipping scholars and nothing at all.
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 04:24:54 AM
The media is playing it as an ethnic conflict.
probably because it is an ethnic conflict. Rather similar to the one in Tibet.
Quote from: Martinus on July 06, 2009, 04:53:17 AM
Regime media FTW! :lol:
Yes, Muslims never go on rampages slaughtering other peoples.
Ethnic/religional - how much etnhic difference is there anyways?
Quote from: Tamas on July 06, 2009, 05:18:50 AM
Ethnic/religional - how much etnhic difference is there anyways?
From what I understand, the differences are considerable. Uyghurs are muslims; Hans don't care much about religion. Hans use the Chinese language; the Uyghurs do not. The language systems are completely different. Chinese is one of the most difficult languages to learn if you do not start with it as a mother tongue. This is especially true for people who are used to the idea of alphabets (like the Uyghurs). If you do not recognize a Chinese character, you do not know how to pronounce it. Full stop (or period). The Hans believe in education. Students must go through very vigorous exams, and parents are obliged to support their children financially while they focus on their studies. A lot of Uyghurs don't buy that, and hence can't make it through university.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 05:36:50 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 06, 2009, 05:18:50 AM
Ethnic/religional - how much etnhic difference is there anyways?
From what I understand, the differences are considerable. Uyghurs are muslims; Hans don't care much about religion. Hans use the Chinese language; the Uyghurs do not. The language systems are completely different. Chinese is one of the most difficult languages to learn if you do not start with it as a mother tongue. This is especially true for people who are used to the idea of alphabets (like the Uyghurs). If you do not recognize a Chinese character, you do not know how to pronounce it. Full stop (or period). The Hans believe in education. Students must go through very vigorous exams, and parents are obliged to support their children financially while they focus on their studies. A lot of Uyghurs don't buy that, and hence can't make it through university.
The Uyghurs must be assimilated.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 06, 2009, 05:51:59 AM
The Uyghurs must be assimilated.
I don't think the Hans are interested in assimilating the Uyghurs. The Hans comprise 98% of the Chinese population, and absolutely dominates economically, culturally, and politically. None of the minorities pose any serious threat to the Hans. Even in Xingiang, the Uyghurs are fast becoming a minority. The general Han attitude is "if you want to learn Chinese etc, fine, but we don't really care if you do it or not. We just want to keep the peace and sell you stuff."
Quote from: alfred russel on July 06, 2009, 05:51:59 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 05:36:50 AM
Quote from: Tamas on July 06, 2009, 05:18:50 AM
Ethnic/religional - how much etnhic difference is there anyways?
From what I understand, the differences are considerable. Uyghurs are muslims; Hans don't care much about religion. Hans use the Chinese language; the Uyghurs do not. The language systems are completely different. Chinese is one of the most difficult languages to learn if you do not start with it as a mother tongue. This is especially true for people who are used to the idea of alphabets (like the Uyghurs). If you do not recognize a Chinese character, you do not know how to pronounce it. Full stop (or period). The Hans believe in education. Students must go through very vigorous exams, and parents are obliged to support their children financially while they focus on their studies. A lot of Uyghurs don't buy that, and hence can't make it through university.
The Uyghurs must be assimilated.
I prefer extermination of the Hans. One Hans is enough.
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 04:12:20 AM
These Uyghur, are they muslims?
Yes.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA17/010/2009/en
The Chinese are being really nasty to them, and because China is not Israel, it doesn't get criticized for it's truly brutal treatment. The Uighurs have their own terrorist group which has set off bombs on buses
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/28/china1
The Uighurs have been found fighting for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and other Central Asian Countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090706/ts_nm/us_china_xinjiang
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Li Zhi, the Communist Party boss of regional capital Urumqi told a news conference that the death toll from the rioting had risen to 140, the semi-official China News Agency said. Xinhua said 816 people were hurt and admitted to hospital.
Xinhua did not give the ethnic identity of the dead, or say if they were civilians or police, but admissions at the People's Hospitals, one of the biggest in Urumqi, suggested Han Chinese were targeted.
Xinhua said the hospital received 291 people of whom 17 died later. Among them 233 were Han Chinese, 39 were Uighurs, while the rest were from other ethnic minorities.
Another link on this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31753771/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
China state media: 140 killed in riots in west
More than 800 hurt in protests started by ethnic Muslim group, officials say
Hey Mono, how do Autonomous region work in China?
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 06, 2009, 08:01:34 AM
Hey Mono, how do Autonomous region work in China?
they get to riot before getting shot.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 06, 2009, 08:01:34 AM
Hey Mono, how do Autonomous region work in China?
Poorly.
More seriously, they get some cultural righs, but they're about as autonomous as the Ukraine was in the USSR.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 04:14:54 AM
The news reports I've read indicate that the Uyghurs launched attacks against Han civilians and killed dozens.
Wasn't that what happened in Tibet as well? Ethnic Tibetans rioted and attacked Han Chinese?
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 06, 2009, 08:42:15 AM
Wasn't that what happened in Tibet as well? Ethnic Tibetans rioted and attacked Han Chinese?
Why does everybody hate the poor Han Chinese so much? :cry:
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 06, 2009, 08:42:15 AM
Wasn't that what happened in Tibet as well? Ethnic Tibetans rioted and attacked Han Chinese?
Why does everybody hate the poor Han Chinese so much? :cry:
They spawn like blowflies.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 06, 2009, 08:01:34 AM
Hey Mono, how do Autonomous region work in China?
They tend to have larger garrisons :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 06, 2009, 08:42:15 AM
Wasn't that what happened in Tibet as well? Ethnic Tibetans rioted and attacked Han Chinese?
Why does everybody hate the poor Han Chinese so much? :cry:
Most humans hate newcomers, especially if they speak a different language, have different religious beliefs, dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus, and keep coming in such numbers that they'll soon outnumber you.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
Most humans hate newcomers, especially if they speak a different language, have different religious beliefs, dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus, and keep coming in such numbers that they'll soon outnumber you.
No wonder the Native Americans resented us so much.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 06, 2009, 08:42:15 AM
Wasn't that what happened in Tibet as well? Ethnic Tibetans rioted and attacked Han Chinese?
Why does everybody hate the poor Han Chinese so much? :cry:
Most humans hate newcomers, especially if they speak a different language, have different religious beliefs, dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus, and keep coming in such numbers that they'll soon outnumber you.
Yeah, and I'm sure nazis in Poland during WW2 were hated exactly because of such differences, too.
Seriously, stop spreading your fucking chicom propaganda.
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 09:28:46 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
Most humans hate newcomers, especially if they speak a different language, have different religious beliefs, dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus, and keep coming in such numbers that they'll soon outnumber you.
No wonder the Native Americans resented us so much.
the native americans only hate you because of fucking chicom propaganda. apparently. :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on July 06, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 06, 2009, 08:42:15 AM
Wasn't that what happened in Tibet as well? Ethnic Tibetans rioted and attacked Han Chinese?
Why does everybody hate the poor Han Chinese so much? :cry:
Most humans hate newcomers, especially if they speak a different language, have different religious beliefs, dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus, and keep coming in such numbers that they'll soon outnumber you.
Yeah, and I'm sure nazis in Poland during WW2 were hated exactly because of such differences, too.
Seriously, stop spreading your fucking chicom propaganda.
and how aren't those valid reasons?
It's not as if the region has ever been free.
Quote from: Martinus on July 06, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Yeah, and I'm sure nazis in Poland during WW2 were hated exactly because of such differences, too.
Seriously, stop spreading your fucking chicom propaganda.
Sarcasm? That post was not exactly complimentary towards the Han domination of those provinces.
Maybe all those friendly Uighurs can settle in Europe.
Quote from: Martinus on July 06, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 06, 2009, 08:42:15 AM
Wasn't that what happened in Tibet as well? Ethnic Tibetans rioted and attacked Han Chinese?
Why does everybody hate the poor Han Chinese so much? :cry:
Most humans hate newcomers, especially if they speak a different language, have different religious beliefs, dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus, and keep coming in such numbers that they'll soon outnumber you.
Yeah, and I'm sure nazis in Poland during WW2 were hated exactly because of such differences, too.
Seriously, stop spreading your fucking chicom propaganda.
:unsure:
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Sarcasm? That post was not exactly complimentary towards the Han domination of those provinces.
Didn't sound particularly negative. Makes the Uighurs sound whiny.
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 06, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Yeah, and I'm sure nazis in Poland during WW2 were hated exactly because of such differences, too.
Seriously, stop spreading your fucking chicom propaganda.
Sarcasm? That post was not exactly complimentary towards the Han domination of those provinces.
His post could be pretty much used to describe every peaceful settlement by a different culture, including foreign immigration. It kinda failed to appreciate the fact that Chicoms are an oppressive, murderous regime on top of being a bunch of people who "speak different language and have a different religion".
Quote from: garbon on July 06, 2009, 10:37:08 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Sarcasm? That post was not exactly complimentary towards the Han domination of those provinces.
Didn't sound particularly negative. Makes the Uighurs sound whiny.
99.99999999999999 percent of muslims are whiny.
Hey, I hate the Pipple's Republic as much Neil, but you have to recognize the moonslim bots have a tendency to go hiwire.
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
99.99999999999999 percent of muslims are whiny.
Hey, I hate the Pipple's Republic as much Neil, but you have to recognize the moonslim bots have a tendency to go hiwire.
You've been whiny since you entered the thread.
Are they muslims? I bet they are muslims. Oh my god, like I totally can tell they gotta be muslims
Quote from: garbon on July 06, 2009, 10:59:20 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
99.99999999999999 percent of muslims are whiny.
Hey, I hate the Pipple's Republic as much Neil, but you have to recognize the moonslim bots have a tendency to go hiwire.
You've been whiny since you entered the thread. Are they muslims? I bet they are muslims. Oh my god, like I totally can tell they gotta be muslims
And I was right, wasn't I?
I can smell a muslim half-way around the globe.
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 11:02:01 AM
And I was right, wasn't I?
I can smell a muslim half-way around the globe.
If I claim every male is gay, I'll be right in a few cases.
Quote from: Martinus on July 06, 2009, 10:55:53 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 06, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Yeah, and I'm sure nazis in Poland during WW2 were hated exactly because of such differences, too.
Seriously, stop spreading your fucking chicom propaganda.
Sarcasm? That post was not exactly complimentary towards the Han domination of those provinces.
His post could be pretty much used to describe every peaceful settlement by a different culture, including foreign immigration. It kinda failed to appreciate the fact that Chicoms are an oppressive, murderous regime on top of being a bunch of people who "speak different language and have a different religion".
iirc, no kind of settlement on the scale as what is happening in East-Turkestan and Tibet has ever been peaceful.
Not in the Americas, not in Australia, not with the greeks and Romans, not with the Barbarians that came after the Romans, not with the Arabs or Turks, not with the bantus, not with the zionists, not with the Han,, etc.
Violence is nigh on inevitable in such cases. Presence or absence of a repressive regime is only plays a role in the amount of violence.
Quote from: garbon on July 06, 2009, 10:37:08 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Sarcasm? That post was not exactly complimentary towards the Han domination of those provinces.
Didn't sound particularly negative. Makes the Uighurs sound whiny.
Uighur, please.
Quote from: Martinus on July 06, 2009, 10:55:53 AM
His post could be pretty much used to describe every peaceful settlement by a different culture, including foreign immigration. It kinda failed to appreciate the fact that Chicoms are an oppressive, murderous regime on top of being a bunch of people who "speak different language and have a different religion".
No it sorta sounded like what we did to the Native Americans, hence why I immediately made the comparison.
Peaceful immigrants usually don't "dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus".
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 06, 2009, 10:37:08 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Sarcasm? That post was not exactly complimentary towards the Han domination of those provinces.
Didn't sound particularly negative. Makes the Uighurs sound whiny.
99.99999999999999 percent of muslims are whiny.
Hey, I hate the Pipple's Republic as much Neil, but you have to recognize the moonslim bots have a tendency to go hiwire.
well according to a post earlier here these guys did invent the tightrope.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 06, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 06, 2009, 10:37:08 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Sarcasm? That post was not exactly complimentary towards the Han domination of those provinces.
Didn't sound particularly negative. Makes the Uighurs sound whiny.
99.99999999999999 percent of muslims are whiny.
Hey, I hate the Pipple's Republic as much Neil, but you have to recognize the moonslim bots have a tendency to go hiwire.
well according to a post earlier here these guys did invent the tightrope.
It was OK, but if it wasn't for the SM parts I wouldn't have remembered seeing it.
Quote from: Siege on July 06, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
Hey, I hate the Pipple's Republic as much Neil,
I very much doubt that, given that you're working for them.
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 11:55:07 AM
Peaceful immigrants usually don't "dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus".
Aside from the government part, peaceful Han Chinese immigrants in some Asian countries did precisely that. And they've suffered some brutal pogroms in places because of it, especially around Muslims.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 06, 2009, 12:26:20 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2009, 11:55:07 AM
Peaceful immigrants usually don't "dominate your economy, own everything, control the government apparatus".
Aside from the government part, peaceful Han Chinese immigrants in some Asian countries did precisely that. And they've suffered some brutal pogroms in places because of it, especially around Muslims.
iirc they usually achieved only economic dominance in those countries and not generally political dominance. Not quite the same as Tibet and East-Turkestan.
we saw this in Vancouver. first they moved in as cheap labour, building railroads and carrying dynamite. then they moved up, opening take out cafes and launderettes. and then, with their power base assured, they killed all of Vancouver's Uigars. so effectively, in fact, that the native's oral traditions no longer account for the missing people.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 06, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
we saw this in Vancouver. first they moved in as cheap labour, building railroads and carrying dynamite. then they moved up, opening take out cafes and launderettes. and then, with their power base assured, they killed all of Vancouver's Uigars. so effectively, in fact, that the native's oral traditions no longer account for the missing people.
:lol:
Quote from: saskganesh on July 06, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
we saw this in Vancouver. first they moved in as cheap labour, building railroads and carrying dynamite. then they moved up, opening take out cafes and launderettes. and then, with their power base assured, they killed all of Vancouver's Uigars. so effectively, in fact, that the native's oral traditions no longer account for the missing people.
Brilliant! :lol:
Quote from: saskganesh on July 06, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
we saw this in Vancouver. first they moved in as cheap labour, building railroads and carrying dynamite. then they moved up, opening take out cafes and launderettes. and then, with their power base assured, they killed all of Vancouver's Uigars. so effectively, in fact, that the native's oral traditions no longer account for the missing people.
And this is why it is now known as Han-couver or Wang-couver.
Quote from: Drakken on July 06, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 06, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
we saw this in Vancouver. first they moved in as cheap labour, building railroads and carrying dynamite. then they moved up, opening take out cafes and launderettes. and then, with their power base assured, they killed all of Vancouver's Uigars. so effectively, in fact, that the native's oral traditions no longer account for the missing people.
And this is why it is now known as Han-couver or Wang-couver.
Hong-couver is more common.
QuoteUnrest in China
Unrest on the western front
Jul 6th 2009 | URUMQI, XINJIANG
From Economist.com
Our correspondent reports from Urumqi, scene of the largest protests in China in two decades
Reuters
THE city of Urumqi was calm but tense a day after violent unrest on Sunday July 5th which had, according to official reports, left at least 140 people dead and 800 injured. In the centre of town traffic was eerily light and many businesses were hidden behind shutters. A tight cordon of riot police, who wore helmets and wielded shields and clubs, surrounded People's Square. Elsewhere armed security men blocked roads and stopped pedestrians and cars attempting to enter predominantly Uighur neighbourhoods. Army and police vehicles, including armoured personnel-carriers, patrolled the streets. Sirens continued to wail late into Monday night.
Ethnic tension between Han Chinese and the native Uighurs, a mostly Muslim Turkic minority group, has long bristled in Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region in the west of China. The Uighurs make up nearly half of Xinjiang's 20m population. Large-scale violence flares occasionally in other cities in Xinjiang, but had not previously been reported in Urumqi, the region's capital. The violence on Sunday apparently began with a demonstration by Uighurs against the government's handling of an incident in southern Guangdong province in late June, in which two Uighur migrants were attacked and reportedly killed amid accusations that they had abused a Han Chinese woman.
Chinese officials quickly accused an overseas group, the World Uighur Congress, of having "masterminded", "instigated" and "controlled" the Urumqi unrest, but they offered no proof. The congress and other expatriate Uighur groups denied the charges. Uighur residents of Urumqi were reluctant to speak to foreign journalists amid Monday's heavy security crackdown and, for the most part, local access to the internet has been prevented.
It is unclear precisely how many members of the security forces have been deployed in Urumqi, but Xinjiang's governor, Nur Bekri, says that officials will use "all means" to maintain control. According to the state media hundreds of arrests have been made in response to the violence.
The south-eastern part of the city appeared to suffer most violence on Sunday: police were out in force on Monday; broken shop windows dotted the area, along with fire-damaged buildings and scores of burnt and overturned cars. The scorched shells of eleven new cars sat on the lot in front of the Xinjiang Tongtong Geely Automobile dealership. According to the general manager, Guo Jianxin, several hundred rioters had attacked his business late on Sunday, damaging or destroying more than 50 cars, worth 3.3m yuan ($483,000). One of his workers was injured, he said, and three others had locked themselves in the basement, emerging through the shattered glass late on Monday morning.
The nearby Urumqi Friendship Hospital had received four dead and 98 injured, of whom 18 were in serious condition. One of the injured, said the hospital director, had severe brain trauma and was not expected to survive another night.
Among the patients lining the corridor of the hospital's overcrowded ward was Huang Zhenjiang, a 48-year-old taxi driver. Bloodied and bandaged, Mr Huang said that he had finished his long day of driving and was handing the car to the night-shift driver when he was attacked and beaten by rioters using stones and clubs. He suffered a broken nose, fractured ribs, concussion and a badly damaged right eye. He described the violence as "terrifying" and "unimaginable" and said he had no idea who his attackers were or what had prompted them. As a Han Chinese man, however, he was, most likely, a victim of Uighur rage.
Now there are reports of Han rioters fighting bcak, attacking Uyghur people on sight.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on July 06, 2009, 11:11:38 AM
iirc, no kind of settlement on the scale as what is happening in East-Turkestan and Tibet has ever been peaceful.
Not in the Americas, not in Australia, not with the greeks and Romans, not with the Barbarians that came after the Romans, not with the Arabs or Turks, not with the bantus, not with the zionists, not with the Han,, etc.
Violence is nigh on inevitable in such cases. Presence or absence of a repressive regime is only plays a role in the amount of violence.
:yes:
A very similar story happened in the Soloman islands a few years ago. A bunch of middle class Hong Kongers moved there. With the capital they brought in from Hong Kong, they set up retail shops, supply chains, factories etc over there. Very soon they dominated the (tiny) local economy. Ethnic tensions rose, riots broke out, with the locals attacking the Chinese shops. Similar thing happened in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and many SE Asian countries over the past couple of decades. Hell even in Canada and Australia there is a certain level of resentment over Chinese immigrants - monster houses, driving up house prices, taking away jobs, fung shui issues...
The difference with Tibet and Xinjiang is that in these places, the Hans actually control the army, the police and the courts.
Uhh, there haven't been any anti Chinese riots in Thailand. You would find it difficult to find anyone under 60 who even speaks a Chinese language (normally Teochew or Hakka) let alone consider themselves Chinese.
I'm having trouble getting too worked up over this despite it being pretty bad.
Perhaps after Tibet last year its just come to be expected. And these Ugyhars, though they should be free, aren't as cool as Tibetans.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 07, 2009, 05:35:24 AM
Uhh, there haven't been any anti Chinese riots in Thailand. You would find it difficult to find anyone under 60 who even speaks a Chinese language (normally Teochew or Hakka) let alone consider themselves Chinese.
Hey DP, are you and Btrollsom the same person?
Looks more like a pogrom than a protest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axP7u_Txk10
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 07, 2009, 05:35:24 AM
Uhh, there haven't been any anti Chinese riots in Thailand. You would find it difficult to find anyone under 60 who even speaks a Chinese language (normally Teochew or Hakka) let alone consider themselves Chinese.
I was in Bangkok 4 weeks ago, and I distinctly remember reading the local Chinese newspapers, in Chinese language.
The latest footage and photographs coming out are pretty scary.
I saw rows and rows of bodies, all covered in blood and many with their heads smashed. Those aren't bullet wounds. They were clubbed to death by rioters.
I saw thousands of Han Chinese carrying big sticks, knives, saws, crying for revenge, singing the national anthem and marching toward the Uyghur districts.
I saw lots of individual and small groups of Han Chinese carrying similar weapons just to travel between work and home.
The trigger for the incident was apparently an ethnic fight between Han and Uyghur workers in a toy factory somewhere in Guangdong province (very far from Xinjiang). There is some kind of affirmative action in place. The owner of the factory is a rich businessman from Hong Kong. He said he hired 500 Uyghur workers due to encouragement from local officials - to give them something to do.
The alleged mastermind behind the protests (the equivalent of Dalai lama) is a female business tycoon specializing in textiles. She was a high level communist official 10 years ago. There was a fallout and she was jailed then released.
Interestingly, Urumqi (provincial capital and where most of the riots took place) has become a predominantly Han city.
The Han have it coming.
Quote from: Tyr on July 07, 2009, 06:22:13 AM
I'm having trouble getting too worked up over this despite it being pretty bad.
Perhaps after Tibet last year its just come to be expected. And these Ugyhars, though they should be free, aren't as cool as Tibetans.
The Tibetans were among the most brutal, ignorant people in the world before the Chinese came up. At least the Uyghurs aren't as goddamn self righteous.
Quote from: Queequeg on July 07, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: Tyr on July 07, 2009, 06:22:13 AM
I'm having trouble getting too worked up over this despite it being pretty bad.
Perhaps after Tibet last year its just come to be expected. And these Ugyhars, though they should be free, aren't as cool as Tibetans.
The Tibetans were among the most brutal, ignorant people in the world before the Chinese came up. At least the Uyghurs aren't as goddamn self righteous.
The Chinese are among the most brutal, ignorant people in the world right now. All things being equal, freedom is nice.
These riots are nothing new. In fact they have been happening since the Qing dynasty a hundred years ago. Every few years, there are issues with that region.
60, 70 years ago the Hans comprised less than 5% of the Xinjiang population. Most of these were the military, civil service and their family. Nowadays the Uyghurs are in the minority.
The one child policy is working against the government in this particular area though, because the policy only applies to Hans and not Uyghurs (or Tibetans). But still, given that the Hans comprise 98% of the national population, the Uyghurs will still be swamped if the Hans from other provinces keep coming.
Quote from: Neil on July 07, 2009, 08:49:14 PM
The Han have it coming.
Apperently Han did shoot first.
Quote from: Queequeg on July 07, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
Quote from: Tyr on July 07, 2009, 06:22:13 AM
I'm having trouble getting too worked up over this despite it being pretty bad.
Perhaps after Tibet last year its just come to be expected. And these Ugyhars, though they should be free, aren't as cool as Tibetans.
The Tibetans were among the most brutal, ignorant people in the world before the Chinese came up. At least the Uyghurs aren't as goddamn self righteous.
Why do you hate Tibet so much anyway?
QuoteRiots in China
Rumbling on
Jul 7th 2009 | URUMQI
From Economist.com
Another round of ethnic violence in Urumqi as Han Chinese and Uighurs clash
AFP
THE city of Urumqi was an ethnic tinderbox on Tuesday July 7th. Two days after rioting in the provincial capital of China's western Xinjiang region had left at least 156 people dead and more than 1000 injured, tensions flared anew. Urumqi is home to 2.3m people, a majority of them Han Chinese, many of whom have lived here for generations, and a minority of them Uighurs, Xinjiang's mostly Muslim indigenous Turkic population.
Screaming in anger about the weekend unrest, thousands of Han Chinese marched through the centre of Urumqi on Tuesday afternoon, wielding a variety of makeshift and menacing weapons, including clubs, meat cleavers, long knives, axes and bricks. "This is no longer an issue for the government!" said an employee of the Tian Bai Commercial Plaza, wooden club in hand. "This is now an ethnic struggle between Uighur and Han. It will not end soon, and we Han will do what we must to protect ourselves", he said.
Armoured-personnel carriers of China's People's Armed Police, a paramilitary security force, rushed through city streets to keep ahead of the surging crowds, barring them from mosques and Uighur neighbourhoods. In several instances, however, crowds forced through barricades manned by riot police in helmets and body armour, who responded by launching tear-gas canisters. Although the police failed to prevent individual attacks on Uighur-owned homes and shops they did prevent widespread violence.
Earlier on the same day a group of about 200 Uighur protesters, mainly women, gathered near the scene of some of the worst violence on Sunday, demanding the release of male relatives whom they said had been detained indiscriminately by police. During a tense confrontation—witnessed by a government-sponsored press tour in the area—protesters smashed the windscreen of a police vehicle, prompting the police to draw their weapons.
Authorities have neither announced casualty figures from the unrest on Tuesday nor given a breakdown of the ethnicity of the victims of the earlier violence. On Tuesday evening security forces remained in large numbers throughout the city as a curfew took effect, with helicopters circling above. Officials also confirmed that the suspension of internet services would continue, repeating claims that Uighur activists abroad had used the internet to instigate violence. Access has been blocked not only in Urumqi but elsewhere in Xinjiang, including the city of Kashgar, where police peacefully dispersed a demonstration of at least 200 Uighurs on Monday.
The local Communist Party chief, Li Zhi, says that 1,434 people have been arrested so far in Urumqi, and that all "were all violent elements" who had smashed, looted, burned and killed. He added that after thorough investigations any who were considered innocent would be released and the guilty would be severely punished.
But many of the Han demonstrators said they could not rely on the government either to guarantee their safety or mete out appropriate punishment. Many armed demonstrators expressed anger and demanded vengeance. They sang the Chinese national anthem as they marched and burst into chants that included "Unity!", "Kill Uighurs!" and "Down with Rebiya Kadeer."
Ms Kadeer, formerly a prominent Urumqi-based business woman, is now in exile in Washington, DC, where she campaigns for Uighur rights. Chinese officials accuse her of being the chief instigator of the riots on Sunday. Although Han are quick to point to the economic development that Chinese rule has brought to Xinjiang, Uighurs complain of massive, longstanding discrimination in employment and business, and Chinese interference in their religious affairs. They also fret that the continuing massive influx of Han residents is diluting the region's cultural identity.
The competing ethnic claims echo those made in Tibet by the Himalayan region's indigenous Buddhist population and its rapidly growing Han population. Tibet's capital Lhasa suffered from serious riots in March 2008, which were also followed by a heavy government crackdown. According to the Chinese government, 20 or so people were killed by rioters in that unrest but exiled Tibetan groups claimed that more than 200 Tibetans died at the hands of Chinese security forces.
WASHINGTON - A widespread and unusually resilient computer attack that began July 4 knocked out the Web sites of several government agencies, including some that are responsible for fighting cyber crime.
Suspected cyber assaults also paralyzed Web sites of major South Korean government agencies, banks and Internet sites in a barrage that appeared linked to the attacks in the U.S., South Korean officials said Wednesday.
The Treasury Department, Secret Service, Federal Trade Commission and Transportation Department Web sites were all down at varying points over the holiday weekend and into this week, according to officials inside and outside the government. Some of the sites were still experiencing problems Tuesday evening.
U.S. officials refused to publicly discuss details of the cyber attack. But Amy Kudwa, spokeswoman for the Homeland Security Department, said the agency's U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team issued a notice to federal departments and other partner organizations about the problems and "advised them of steps to take to help mitigate against such attacks."
The U.S., she said, sees attacks on its networks every day, and measures have been put in place to minimize the impact on federal Web sites.
It was not clear whether other federal government sites also were attacked.
'A lot of computers involved'
Others familiar with the U.S. outage, which is called a denial of service attack, said that the fact that the government Web sites were still being affected three days after it began signaled an unusually lengthy and sophisticated attack. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the matter.
"It certainly seems to be a well-organized attack," an anonymous government official told The Washington Post. "There are a lot of computers involved. What we don't know is who is orchestrating it."
In South Korea, the sites of 11 organizations including the presidential Blue House, the Defense Ministry, the National Assembly, Shinhan Bank, Korea Exchange Bank and top Internet portal Naver went down or had access problems since late Tuesday, said Ahn Jeong-eun, a spokeswoman at Korea Information Security Agency.
They appeared to be linked to the knockout in the United States, though investigators are still unsure who was behind the attacks, Ahn said.
An initial investigation found that many personal computers were infected with a virus ordering them to visit major official Web sites in South Korea and the U.S. at the same time, Korea Information Security Agency official Shin Hwa-su said.
South Korea's Yonhap news agency said that military intelligence officers were looking at the possibility that the attack may have been committed by North Korean hackers and pro-North Korea forces in South Korea.
South Korea's Defense Ministry said it could not immediately confirm the report.
South Korean media reported in May that North Korea was running a cyber warfare unit that tries to hack into U.S. and South Korean military networks to gather confidential information and disrupt service.
Yang Moo-jin, a professor at Seoul's University of North Korean Studies, said he doubts whether the impoverished North has the capability to knock down the Web sites.
But Hong Hyun-ik, an analyst at the Sejong Institute think tank, said the attack could have been done by either North Korea or China, saying he "heard North Korea has been working hard to hack into" South Korean networks.
Two government officials acknowledged that the Treasury and Secret Service sites were brought down, and said the agencies were working with their Internet service provider to resolve the problem.
Ben Rushlo, director of Internet technologies at Keynote Systems, called it a "massive outage" and said problems with the Transportation Department site began Saturday and continued until Monday, while the FTC site was down Sunday and Monday.
Keynote Systems is a mobile and Web site monitoring company based in San Mateo, Calif. The company publishes data detailing outages on Web sites, including 40 government sites it watches.
"This is very strange. You don't see this," he said. "Having something 100 percent down for a 24-hour-plus period is a pretty significant event."
He added that, "The fact that it lasted for so long and that it was so significant in its ability to bring the site down says something about the site's ability to fend off (an attack) or about the severity of the attack."
Denial of service attacks against Web sites are not uncommon, and are usually caused when sites are deluged with Internet traffic so as to effectively take them off-line. Mounting such an attack can be relatively easy using widely available hacking programs, and they can be made far more serious if hackers infect and use thousands of computers tied together into "botnets."
For instance, last summer, in the weeks leading up to the war between Russia and Georgia, Georgian government and corporate Web sites began to see "denial of service" attacks. The Kremlin denied involvement, but a group of independent Western computer experts traced domain names and Web site registration data to conclude that the Russian security and military intelligence agencies were involved.
According to The Washington Post, Joe Stewart, the director of malware research at Atlanta based SecureWorks, said the attack software contained few clues about its origins, although a line of text deep in within the malware carried the cryptic message "get/china/dns."
Documenting cyber attacks against government sites is difficult, and depends heavily on how agencies characterize an incident and how successful or damaging it is.
Government officials routinely say their computers are probed millions of times a day, with many of those being scans that don't trigger any problems. In a June report, the congressional Government Accountability Office said federal agencies reported more than 16,000 threats or incidents last year, roughly three times the amount in 2007. Most of those involved unauthorized access to the system, violations of computer use policies or investigations into potentially harmful incidents.
The Homeland Security Department, meanwhile, says there were 5,499 known breaches of U.S. government computers in 2008, up from 3,928 the previous year, and just 2,172 in 2006.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31789294/ns/technology_and_science-security//
Syt got Razzed.
Oh. I ignore most of Raz' posts as the outpourings of a person who is crazy even by Languish standards, so it's ane asy mistake to make.
Quote from: Syt on July 08, 2009, 11:49:36 AM
Oh. I ignore most of Raz' posts as the outpourings of a person who is crazy even by Languish standards, so it's ane asy mistake to make.
Good man. :hug:
Garbon, don't be gay.
Quote from: Siege on July 08, 2009, 02:06:17 PM
I don't hate muslims.
At least not when I'm sleeping.
:lmfao:
Quote from: Syt on July 08, 2009, 11:49:36 AM
Oh. I ignore most of Raz' posts as the outpourings of a person who is crazy even by Languish standards, so it's ane asy mistake to make.
Raz may have problems, but he's never eaten human flesh(I think). :P