Not this shit again :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38373867
First the Coptic Churches now this. Getting tougher to celebrate Christmas this year. :(
:(
Police report 9 dead.
Quote from: Valmy on December 19, 2016, 03:24:54 PM
First the Coptic Churches now this. Getting tougher to celebrate Christmas this year. :(
I thought the phrase "War on Christmas" was just a metaphor. :(
Germans and their Christmas offensives.
Damn. That really is an attack on Christmas :angry:
SEEDY: any leads??
2nd attack in Turkey in one day!
Quote from: Valmy on December 19, 2016, 03:24:54 PM
First the Coptic Churches now this. Getting tougher to celebrate Christmas this year. :(
christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world, lest we forget.
Quote from: derspiess on December 19, 2016, 03:36:51 PM
Damn. That really is an attack on Christmas :angry:
SEEDY: any leads??
I suspect a vehicle with at least four wheels, but I still need independent verification.
Police say the driver has been arrested near the scene.
Good. Hope he enjoys his four years in prison :angry:
Quote from: Legbiter on December 19, 2016, 03:44:53 PM
Police say the driver has been arrested near the scene.
Good. I was concerned when they said the driver was "on the run".
Quote from: viper37 on December 19, 2016, 03:45:56 PM
a joke about the size of the Turkish minority in Germany.
Asoka
Quote from: derspiess on December 19, 2016, 03:45:29 PM
Good. Hope he enjoys his four years in prison :angry:
that's 15 for Germany.
Dang.
RIP :( :cry: :weep:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/19/several_dead_in_berlin_after_truck_driver_plows_into_christmas_market.html
Tim already covered here:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,14566.0.html (http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,14566.0.html)
Fucking Viagra spambots.
It's difficult follow all of the day's terrorist attacks.
Quote from: mongers on December 19, 2016, 09:54:57 PM
Tim already covered here:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,14566.0.html (http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,14566.0.html)
Sorry, searched for Germany on the front page. Should have searched Berlin. :blush:
Mods, please merge this.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 19, 2016, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 19, 2016, 09:54:57 PM
Tim already covered here:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,14566.0.html (http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,14566.0.html)
Sorry, searched for Germany on the front page. Should have searched Berlin. :blush:
Mods, please merge this.
No, delete it.
berlin: tainted by Tim.
I'll wake up tomorrow morning and a nuke will go off there.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 19, 2016, 10:16:26 PM
berlin: tainted by Tim.
I'll wake up tomorrow morning and a nuke will go off there.
They just can't catch a brake.
Shut up, Meg.
:(
Was just a question of time until something like this would happen here. So far our security forces had been very successful and the attackers usually rather inept.
Curious for Trump's tweet.
Very difficult to close a Christmas market off to prevent such an attack if traffic has to pass.
In 2011 we had already an attack on a Christmas market in Liege (Lüttich for Germans) but with a gun man. This is already almost forgotten.
Number of dead has risen to 12. :(
The attacker was allegedly an asylum seeker from Pakistan with a reputation as a small time criminal. No official confirmation yet, though. Police will probably hold a press conference at noon.
Quote from: Archy on December 20, 2016, 01:39:57 AM
Curious for Trump's tweet.
QuoteToday there were terror attacks in Turkey, Switzerland and Germany - and it is only getting worse. The civilized world must change thinking!
Disregarding the fact that the civilized world does not have a single way of thinking, what if he is right?
The suspect is 23 years old and probably somehow forced the Polish truck driver to show him how to drive the truck. The Polish driver was found dead in the truck cabin.
Quote from: Delirium on December 20, 2016, 03:18:50 AM
Disregarding the fact that the civilized world does not have a single way of thinking, what if he is right?
Right with what? Three very different attacks happened, with different motives and victims. Berlin (from what little we know) sounds like your typical self-radicalized loser who randomly kills westerners for IS because his illusions about life in Germany were not instantly fulfilled. Ankara was a very selective killing to convey a specific political message. The Zürich attack was directed against praying muslims, but information is sparse otherwise. Possibly far right terrorism?
Hungarian police is introducing such security measures (police presence on all Christmas markets, making truck traffic more restricted etc) as if the attack happened there.
Very prudent of them: latest polls showed that with the national referendum on "forced immigration" over, corruption has been movin up steadily on the list of people's concerns.
This ought to restore proper priorities!
Quote from: Malicious Intent on December 20, 2016, 02:42:01 AM
Number of dead has risen to 12. :(
The attacker was allegedly an asylum seeker from Pakistan with a reputation as a small time criminal.
Wir schaffen das!
And apparently the police just grabbed the first random brown-skinned guy and he may not be the attacker at all: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article160462226/Berliner-Polizei-Wir-haben-den-falschen-Mann.html
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Quote from: Solmyr on December 20, 2016, 07:52:26 AM
And apparently the police just grabbed the first random brown-skinned guy and he may not be the attacker at all: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article160462226/Berliner-Polizei-Wir-haben-den-falschen-Mann.html
Early reports indicated the police had been tipped off by a bystander who ran after the suspect for more than a kilometre so it is not "the first random brown-skinned guy".
QuoteHero followed fleeing suspect
The suspect in the Berlin Christmas market truck rampage was arrested with the help of a witness who followed the man after he fled the scene on foot, a German newspaper reports. The respected Die Welt daily said the bystander saw the suspected driver jump out of the cab of the lorry. The anonymous witness then trailed the suspect for about two kilometres, while staying on the phone with police to keep them informed of his location. Officers were able to arrest the suspect near the Victory Column monument next to the city's Tiergarten park. "With the help of this witness we were able to catch the suspect," police spokesman Winfrid Wenzel was quoted as saying. "Such civil courage should serve as an encouragement today," he added. The newspaper said police knew the identity of the "brave witness", but believed he wished to remain anonymous. The suspect is an asylum seeker believed to be from Pakistan or Afghanistan who arrived in Germany via the so-called Balkans route in February, according to security sources cited by DPA news agency.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/truck-runs-into-christmas-market-in-berlin/news-story/cbc420fc13bbbd33c981447662cb4c2b (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/truck-runs-into-christmas-market-in-berlin/news-story/cbc420fc13bbbd33c981447662cb4c2b)
Scroll down to "Hero followed fleeing suspect"
Isn't that a Van Morrison song?
Daesh claims the attack
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38385961 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38385961)
QuoteBerlin attack: So-called Islamic State claims responsibility
The lorry attack at the Breitscheidplatz market left 12 people dead and 49 injured
So-called Islamic State (IS) has said it was behind Monday's lorry attack on a Berlin Christmas market, which left 12 people dead and 49 injured.
The group claimed the attack through its self-styled news agency.
Earlier, German prosecutors released the only suspect who had been held, citing insufficient evidence. He had been identified by media only as Pakistani national Naved B.
Officials suggested that a perpetrator or perpetrators might be on the run.
What we know
Before the man was released late on Tuesday, German officials said they could not be be sure if he was involved in the attack.
"We have to entertain the theory that the detainee might possibly not have been the perpetrator," federal prosecutor Peter Frank told reporters.
The style of attack and the target suggested Islamic extremism, he said.
Media captionBerlin resident Ibrahim Colak: "I saw whole bodies being twisted"
The man, 23, was captured in a park after reportedly fleeing the scene.
He is believed to have been known to police for minor crimes, but had no links to militant organisations.
He arrived in Germany on 31 December last year and his asylum application was still in progress.
The usual driver of the lorry, Polish citizen Lukasz Urban, was found dead on the passenger seat of the lorry, reportedly with gunshot and stab wounds to his body. No gun was recovered.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has vowed to punish those responsible for the attack "as harshly as the law requires".
Her open-door policy on migration, which saw 890,000 asylum seekers arrive in Germany last year, has divided the country, with critics calling it a security threat.
For Angela Merkel the legacy of the Berlin attack will be political.
It is not clear who the perpetrator was. But if it proves to be someone who came as a refugee she will face more pressure.
She has stuck to her welcoming policy towards refugees fleeing war and persecution, and a majority of Germans have continued to back her.
But Mrs Merkel's political opponents, notably the far right Alternative fur Deutschland (AfD), have attacked her again following the Berlin attack, saying she has compromised Germany's security by letting in people without knowing who they are.
It is a charge they will seek to press as Germany gears up for federal elections next year.
The AfD had surged in regional elections this year. But Germany's main parties have all said they will shun any question of sharing power with the AfD.
And Angela Merkel has seen her support rise in recent polls. It is why the issue of who carried out the Berlin attack is vital for Mrs Merkel and her vision of a free, open Germany.
Grey line
Mrs Merkel has expressed concern that the attacker might turn out to be an asylum seeker.
"I know that it would be particularly difficult for us all to bear if it turned out that the person who committed this act was someone who sought protection and asylum in Germany," she said.
Yeah but they claim everything.
Quote from: Valmy on December 20, 2016, 02:50:42 PM
Yeah but they claim everything.
Last week they claimed responsibility for me not doing my homework; the dog was not amused.
Ok so this Pakistani guy they released, because as it turned out, the first brown guy running from the scene that got spotted by a white man was not actually the perpetrator.
According to n-tv.de (are they reputable?), he was registered as being born in "state of Turban" (must be a typo because I haven't found such a place in Pakistan), on 01.01.1993....
Also AFAIK he was known for some kind of petty crime (or sexual harassment if you can believe the far right people spreading that) to the police already.
So, the one random Muslim-looking guy they grabbed off the street happens to be a "refugee" from a non war-torn country from half a world away who supplied bogus information when applying for sanctuary, and already having a criminal record. (I won't mention the question of why such a fact doesn't automatically and immediately get your application rejected).
What are the odds? Makes you think the portion of men among refugees who deliberately fool the system and don't shy away from petty crimes must be significant.
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2016, 04:40:56 PM
What are the odds? Makes you think the portion of men among refugees who deliberately fool the system and don't shy away from petty crimes must be significant.
Well... if you're a petty criminal with a record (as compared to say an asylum seeker with no problems with the law) it is not far fetched that you react to a huge increase in police presence by running. And if you see a brown looking fellow running in the vicinity of a terror attack, it is not unlikely that you'd suspect and report him over any white people you may see running and the police would act on that with heightened diligence.
So I'd say the odds are higher than they might seem at first.
Of course, as you imply with the reference to the sexual harassment accusations, it's probably best to wait for actual confirmed facts before drawing any real conclusions.
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2016, 04:40:56 PM
he was registered as being born in "state of Turban" (must be a typo because I haven't found such a place in Pakistan), on 01.01.1993...
LOL M'balz iz-Hari Haid D'Salaami
QuoteSo, the one random Muslim-looking guy they grabbed off the street happens to be a "refugee" from a non war-torn country from half a world away who supplied bogus information when applying for sanctuary, and already having a criminal record. (I won't mention the question of why such a fact doesn't automatically and immediately get your application rejected).
What are the odds? Makes you think the portion of men among refugees who deliberately fool the system and don't shy away from petty crimes must be significant.
Well, that's certainly not going to play well on the front page of
Der Uberweiss.
Quote
The Atlantic
What Their Reactions to Monday's Attacks Reveal About Trump and Obama
Two sets of statements tell radically different stories about who was being attacked, and why.
PETER BEINART
9:28 AM ET
GLOBAL
Monday's horrors—the attack on a Christmas market in Berlin and the assassination of a Russian diplomat in Ankara—offer a natural experiment. Since they occurred during the brief window every four or eight years in which America has both a president and a president-elect, they provoked two sets of statements, one from the outgoing administration and another from its soon-to-be successor. The differences are revealing.
The first difference, unsurprisingly, is that the Obama administration exercised caution. It said the Berlin atrocity "appears to have been a terrorist attack." Team Trump, by contrast, simply called it a "horrifying terror attack." The White House avoided speculation about the Turkish assassin's motive. Team Trump, by contrast, called him a "radical Islamic terrorist."
More significantly, the two administrations used the attacks to tell radically different stories about who was being attacked, and why. The Obama administration identified the victims as members of a nation. Its five-sentence statement about the Berlin attack used the words "Germany" or "German" four times. And the White House linked the United States and Germany strategically, declaring that, "Germany is one of our closest partners and strongest allies."
Team Obama's response to the Ankara assassination was also state-centric. It offered its "condolences to the Russian people and Government" and declared, "we stand united with Russia and Turkey in our determination to confront terrorism in all of its forms."
Russia and Turkey are not "partners" and "allies" of the United States in the way Germany is. Still, the Obama administration implied a world in which even nations with sharply different interests cooperate against their common foe: "terrorism in all its forms." Taken together, the Berlin and Ankara statements gesture toward a liberal internationalist order of the kind the United States helped build after World War II: an inner circle of cooperation linking the United States and its closest NATO allies surrounded by a broader circle represented by universal bodies like the UN, in which countries band together across ideological and geopolitical lines to battle the transnational scourges that threaten them all.
Team Trump's statement was utterly different. It described the victims as members not of a nation but of a religion. Its statement about the Berlin attack didn't refer to the victims as Germans. (It didn't mention the words "German" or "Germany" once.) Instead, it defined them as people killed "as they prepared to celebrate the Christmas holiday." The Obama team's statement made no assumptions about the victims' faith: It simply noted that the attack had occurred at "a Christmas Market." The Trump statement, by contrast, implied that the victims all celebrated Christmas. And it linked those killed in Berlin to other "Christians" who "ISIS and other Islamist terrorists continually slaughter ... in their communities and places of worship as part of their global jihad."
The contrast grows even sharper when you add in Team Trump's response to the Ankara attacks. Unlike Obama's statement, which said nothing about the assassin's faith, Trump's called him "a radical Islamic terrorist." The Trump statement also said nothing about working with either Russia or Turkey, let alone working with them against "terrorism in all its forms," which implies that terrorism has forms other those rooted in Islam.
What do these statements tell us? That Team Obama defines the struggle against terrorism as a conflict pitting countries of all religious and ideological types against a common stateless foe, while Team Trump defines it as a conflict between Christendom and Islam. (That's how ISIS defines it too. The Islamic State also views the world in terms of religious civilizations rather than nations). The natural implication of Obama's worldview is that preventing terrorism requires cooperation between very different nations. The natural implication of Trump's is that preventing terrorism requires keeping Muslims out. Neither of Trump's statements acknowledges the possibility that Christians might perpetrate terrorism or Muslims might be victims of it. (Indeed, on the very same day as the attacks in Ankara and Berlin, a gunman opened fire at a mosque in Zurich, Switzerland, injuring three.) The message to Muslims in Germany and the United States is the same one Trump has peddled for more than a year now: You are the enemy within.
Time to bring the jackboots out of storage.
Done. They are in need of a shine.
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2016, 04:40:56 PM
Ok so this Pakistani guy they released, because as it turned out, the first brown guy running from the scene that got spotted by a white man was not actually the perpetrator.
According to n-tv.de (are they reputable?), he was registered as being born in "state of Turban" (must be a typo because I haven't found such a place in Pakistan), on 01.01.1993....
Also AFAIK he was known for some kind of petty crime (or sexual harassment if you can believe the far right people spreading that) to the police already.
So, the one random Muslim-looking guy they grabbed off the street happens to be a "refugee" from a non war-torn country from half a world away who supplied bogus information when applying for sanctuary, and already having a criminal record. (I won't mention the question of why such a fact doesn't automatically and immediately get your application rejected).
What are the odds? Makes you think the portion of men among refugees who deliberately fool the system and don't shy away from petty crimes must be significant.
That's all just from "sources" and nothing will ever be officially confirmed now that they let him go. Your conclusion is pure speculation.
PS: The n-tv article is the only one I found that mentioned the "Stadt" (town), not "Staat" (state) of Turban. Perhaps they mean Turbat in Baluchistan.
Edit: Found another article that confirms Turbat
The eye witness that followed the now released suspect admitted that he did not see him leave the truck and just saw him leaving the scene. So the eye witness picked him - presumably because his appearance fit a preconceived notion of the witness.
Police has named a new suspect, a 24 year old Tunesian whose asylum application had been rejected but who went into hiding when police was looking for him, was classified as a potential terrorist by security services and is supposedly part of an Islamist network. :osama:
They found his ID card in the truck... :wacko:
Quote from: Zanza on December 21, 2016, 05:53:04 AM
They found his ID card in the truck... :wacko:
Classic ISIS move. Wasn't that the same deal with the Charlie Hebdo killers?
Quote from: Liep on December 21, 2016, 05:55:54 AM
Quote from: Zanza on December 21, 2016, 05:53:04 AM
They found his ID card in the truck... :wacko:
Classic ISIS move. Wasn't that the same deal with the Charlie Hebdo killers?
Charlie Hebdo Killers were Al-Qaida in the Arabic Peninsula.
The most ridiculous scene however was where one of them felt the need to grab one sneaker but later left his ID.
ISIS AL-Qaida, who cares?
I am sorry but my suspension of disbelief over dropped ID cards is getting harder and harder to maintain.
Why?
Quote from: Liep on December 21, 2016, 09:33:45 AM
ISIS AL-Qaida, who cares?
Counter-terrorism intelligence, security forces, police, maybe even journos and their audience. :smarty:
Quote from: Tamas on December 21, 2016, 10:08:18 AM
I am sorry but my suspension of disbelief over dropped ID cards is getting harder and harder to maintain.
Well, they are very uneducated types, prizing their tracksuits and sneakers over anything else, brainwashed, who have trouble speaking correctly the language of the country they were born in, if they are second or third generation, so it's possible.
OTOH, could be a false or stolen ID.
Quote from: Malicious Intent on December 20, 2016, 04:17:12 AM
Quote from: Delirium on December 20, 2016, 03:18:50 AM
Disregarding the fact that the civilized world does not have a single way of thinking, what if he is right?
Right with what?
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2016, 07:08:27 AM
Hungarian police is introducing such security measures (police presence on all Christmas markets, making truck traffic more restricted etc) as if the attack happened there.
Very prudent of them: latest polls showed that with the national referendum on "forced immigration" over, corruption has been movin up steadily on the list of people's concerns.
This ought to restore proper priorities!
Who is to say who is more narrow-minded, or populistic: the aloof western liberal who sneers sarcastically at all anti-terror policy news as "taking advantage of the situation"; or the right wing asshole who demands tougher policies against terrorists?
Our black and world sometimes is not I think.
Quote from: Tamas on December 21, 2016, 10:08:18 AM
I am sorry but my suspension of disbelief over dropped ID cards is getting harder and harder to maintain.
Stupid people do stupid things every day, what makes you think stupid terrorists are any smarter?
My ID card only leaves my wallet once in a blue moon, I can't think this has been "dropped" accidentally. Whether it's stolen or the guy wanted to reveal his identity for whatever nefarious reason, I don't know.
Professional drivers often have their ID displayed inside their vehicle. It might have been one of those kinds of things.
Quote from: Delirium on December 21, 2016, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: Malicious Intent on December 20, 2016, 04:17:12 AM
Quote from: Delirium on December 20, 2016, 03:18:50 AM
Disregarding the fact that the civilized world does not have a single way of thinking, what if he is right?
Right with what?
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2016, 07:08:27 AM
Hungarian police is introducing such security measures (police presence on all Christmas markets, making truck traffic more restricted etc) as if the attack happened there.
Very prudent of them: latest polls showed that with the national referendum on "forced immigration" over, corruption has been movin up steadily on the list of people's concerns.
This ought to restore proper priorities!
Who is to say who is more narrow-minded, or populistic: the aloof western liberal who sneers sarcastically at all anti-terror policy news as "taking advantage of the situation"; or the right wing asshole who demands tougher policies against terrorists?
Our black and world sometimes is not I think.
Sure, one can always make up a non existent 'equivalent' position.
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2016, 12:13:48 PM
Professional drivers often have their ID displayed inside their vehicle. It might have been one of those kinds of things.
You mean the Polish driver's ID? Who then stabbed and shot himself while driving to make it seem like the terrorist got away? Intriguing. :hmm:
The suspect is a known "Gefährder" (hard to translate - dangerous person or so, roughly 500 persons in Germany with that classification) with contacts in Salafist circles especially Abu Waala, the alleged "head" of Islamic State in Germany - who was arrested a few weeks ago. The suspect had been in contact with other Islamists concerning buying large caliber rifles and the domestic intelligence agency had reported him for that. He was also scheduled for deportation, but the paperwork from Tunesia only arrived in Germany today. He had been arrested for deportation before, but it is unclear why they let him go again.
So if it's a stolen ID card, someone took great care to pick a person that perfectly fits the scheme.
A fair question is why the police let him get away from observation.
Quote from: Maladict on December 21, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2016, 12:13:48 PM
Professional drivers often have their ID displayed inside their vehicle. It might have been one of those kinds of things.
You mean the Polish driver's ID? Who then stabbed and shot himself while driving to make it seem like the terrorist got away? Intriguing. :hmm:
That's how they started WWII.
Quote from: Maladict on December 21, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2016, 12:13:48 PM
Professional drivers often have their ID displayed inside their vehicle. It might have been one of those kinds of things.
You mean the Polish driver's ID? Who then stabbed and shot himself while driving to make it seem like the terrorist got away? Intriguing. :hmm:
Or, you know, maybe not.
The police have secured DNA? What a sick fuck. :x
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Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2016, 12:16:59 PM
Quote from: Delirium on December 21, 2016, 10:45:47 AM
Who is to say who is more narrow-minded, or populistic: the aloof western liberal who sneers sarcastically at all anti-terror policy news as "taking advantage of the situation"; or the right wing asshole who demands tougher policies against terrorists?
Our black and world sometimes is not I think.
Sure, one can always make up a non existent 'equivalent' position.
If you want to do that, go ahead. Meanwhile, the position I described is thriving.
Quote from: Delirium on December 21, 2016, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: Malicious Intent on December 20, 2016, 04:17:12 AM
Quote from: Delirium on December 20, 2016, 03:18:50 AM
Disregarding the fact that the civilized world does not have a single way of thinking, what if he is right?
Right with what?
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2016, 07:08:27 AM
Hungarian police is introducing such security measures (police presence on all Christmas markets, making truck traffic more restricted etc) as if the attack happened there.
Very prudent of them: latest polls showed that with the national referendum on "forced immigration" over, corruption has been movin up steadily on the list of people's concerns.
This ought to restore proper priorities!
Who is to say who is more narrow-minded, or populistic: the aloof western liberal who sneers sarcastically at all anti-terror policy news as "taking advantage of the situation"; or the right wing asshole who demands tougher policies against terrorists?
Our black and world sometimes is not I think.
You think that pointing out that the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists is a populist position to take in Europe at the moment?
Things are getting pretty messed up in Europe atm from the looks of it.
Quote from: Zanza on December 21, 2016, 12:36:54 PM
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But he looks like such a sweet guy. :(
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 21, 2016, 02:52:40 PM
Things are getting pretty messed up in Europe atm from the looks of it.
I'd still say that the US is looking to get even messier.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 21, 2016, 02:52:40 PM
Things are getting pretty messed up in Europe atm from the looks of it.
In that case, I would suggest "the looks of it" don't paint a realistic picture. This is still a peaceful, safe and open place.
I can see one political consequence though: the rules on deportation will likely be changed to make deportations faster and easier and to keep deportees imprisoned easier and longer. That will be rather popular among the conservative voters and there won't be much opposition, at most from some far-left Greens or Socialists.
To support my earlier assertion, here is an article from WSJ.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/despite-terror-attack-berliners-carry-on-1482340985
QuoteDespite Truck Attack on Christmas Market, Berlin Residents Carry On
Residents of the German capital say the risks are acceptable
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People walk Wednesday through a Christmas market near Berlin's city hall, two days after a truck attack killed 12 people in another holiday market in the capital.
BERLIN—Two days after their city suffered one of the most devastating terrorist attacks in recent German history, Berliners were going about their lives with a business-as-usual air.
Waiting for a bus in western Berlin, just down the road from the now heavily guarded site of Monday's deadly truck assault, Urs Daniel said he saw no reason to be too concerned, even though a suspect in the attack was still at large and the drawbacks of the country's relatively relaxed security posture had been exposed.
"Statistically, it is more likely to be hit by a car or have an accident at home than to become a victim of an attack," Mr. Daniel said.
The 47-year-old lawyer cautioned against a government overreaction. "Open society means there is a certain risk," he said, voicing support for German Chancellor Angela Merkel's open-door refugee policy, which has come under stepped-up criticism since the rampaging truck killed 12 people and injured dozens at a Christmas market in downtown Berlin.
At a kiosk in the ethnically diverse, working-class neighborhood of Wedding, an 18-year-old clerk casually chatted and laughed with customers from behind the counter. She said that while she was "shocked" by the attack, she wasn't particularly concerned about her own safety.
"I truly don't have any fear. Nothing has changed here," said Elef Besec, a Berlin native whose family emigrated from Romania. "As a Muslim, I have no fear because whatever happens is God's will."
Jana Rehm, a 27-year-old student at a university near the attack site, insisted she wouldn't let terrorism change any aspect of her daily life.
"I don't think that Germany should become a security state now," she said. "I don't want to have my personal rights restricted,"
Her defiance echoed that of German police officials, who urged the city's residents Tuesday to stick to their habits and encouraged the city's 60-odd Christmas markets to reopen after a brief closure the day after the attack.
Sarah Crean, a 33-year-old Australian who moved to Berlin four years ago, said she still planned to go to Christmas markets. "Spreading fear is what terrorist attacks are designed to do and I don't want them to affect my life," she said.
German officials vowed to step up security at the markets and post police officers with machine guns at public places across the country—a rare sight in Germany—as the manhunt for the attacker continued.
Some Berliners scoffed at the prospect of a greater police presence. "We don't need more police here. The city is mainly secure as it is," said Guillermo Garcia, a 24-year-old Spaniard who moved to Berlin five years ago to study.
Carmen Ostrowski, a middle-aged Berlin native out to do her daily shopping, agreed. While she admitted to being a little afraid as a result of the attack, police on the streets would "only make people more nervous," she said. She added, however, that she welcomed more security in the city's subway stations.
Even tourists seemed to shrug off the attack and its aftermath, with many major hotels noting little interruption in business since Monday.
"We were worried about it, but haven't had any [cancellations]," said Frank Ketterer, a marketing manager at the Sheraton hotel in Berlin.
Marie Wellmann, head of reservations at the Waldorf Astoria, a recently built high-rise that overlooks the Christmas market where Monday's attack occurred, said: "There have been maybe two or three guests who had booked rooms for later this month checking in with us to ask what the overall threat-level situation looks like. That was about it."
Wow, so what do you have to do to be denied asylum in Germany?
Quote from: derspiess on December 21, 2016, 03:21:41 PM
Wow, so what do you have to do to be denied asylum in Germany?
In his case the asylum was denied because he was considered a threat and because Tunesia is considered a safe country and because he had been in Italy for three years before.
But each case is judged on its individual merit, so it is hard to come up with a complete list of all the reasons why asylum is denied.
What happened after his request was denied? Did he go underground? Lengthy appeal process?
Quote from: Zanza on December 21, 2016, 05:53:04 AM
Police has named a new suspect, a 24 year old Tunesian whose asylum application had been rejected but who went into hiding when police was looking for him, was classified as a potential terrorist by security services and is supposedly part of an Islamist network. :osama:
They found his ID card in the truck... :wacko:
That seems a little too perfect.
Giving them too much credit perhaps but seems a smart thing to do if you're the crook in a situation like this is to leave someone else's Id at the scene. Throw the police off the scent. Particularly if they're an accomplis who will give you their Id willingly and play along with being on the run.
Leaving you free for attack number 2
He was allegedly killed by Italian police in Milan.
Confirmed, proof by fingerprints.
L.
Good. Reports here that Italian police was shot at, anyone hurt?
Quote from: Liep on December 23, 2016, 06:12:02 AM
Good. Reports here that Italian police was shot at, anyone hurt?
According to the news here the Italian policeman is in hospital but not in danger.
Reports indicate he went through France, Chambéry, Savoy to Turin, then Milan. :frusty:
From a train ticket in his backpack, it's true that trains between Germany and France don't ask for IDs in general, thought it has happened since 2015.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 23, 2016, 06:39:54 AM
Reports indicate he went through France, Chambéry, Savoy to Turin, then Milan. :frusty:
From a train ticket in his backpack, it's true that trains between Germany and France don't ask for IDs in general, thought it has happened since 2015.
I took the Turin - Chambery train back in 2003 and I was carded at the border by an armed policeman.
Quote from: The Larch on December 23, 2016, 06:42:10 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 23, 2016, 06:39:54 AM
Reports indicate he went through France, Chambéry, Savoy to Turin, then Milan. :frusty:
From a train ticket in his backpack, it's true that trains between Germany and France don't ask for IDs in general, thought it has happened since 2015.
I took the Turin - Chambery train back in 2003 and I was carded at the border by an armed policeman.
I mentioned trains between Germany and France. :P
Did you have a beard back then btw? :osama:
Bit young for it I'd say and hipsterism was not a big factor then :D
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 23, 2016, 06:43:48 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 23, 2016, 06:42:10 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 23, 2016, 06:39:54 AM
Reports indicate he went through France, Chambéry, Savoy to Turin, then Milan. :frusty:
From a train ticket in his backpack, it's true that trains between Germany and France don't ask for IDs in general, thought it has happened since 2015.
I took the Turin - Chambery train back in 2003 and I was carded at the border by an armed policeman.
I mentioned trains between Germany and France. :P
Did you have a beard back then btw? :osama:
Bit young for it I'd say and hipsterism was not a big factor then :D
That's another border he had to cross, and another chance to get carded. :P
And I've had a beard or goatee for about 90% of the time since I was 17. :P