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Title: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on October 28, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
I'll be in Portland OR November 8 to November 13 and Seattle WA from November 13 to November 18.  Is there any must sees in either city?  (Or hidden gems in Seattle, I've been to most of the well known sites there.)  Is there anyone living in either location who would be interested in an IRL meeting?
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Hamilcar on October 28, 2016, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 28, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
I'll be in Portland OR November 8 to November 13 and Seattle WA from November 13 to November 18.  Is there any must sees in either city?  (Or hidden gems in Seattle, I've been to most of the well known sites there.)  Is there anyone living in either location who would be interested in an IRL meeting?

Seattle: full of dirty hipsters pointedly sighing as you demand they actually serve you the organic coffee you ordered half an hour ago. Not keen to go back. Portland is probably worse.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2016, 01:25:34 PM
 :lol:

I know Capt Mihali is In Seattle;  he gave me his phone number but never returned my call, so who knows.  Probably way too busy with his grow operations by now.

11B is on the other side of I-5, IIRC.

Isn't there another Languishite in the greater Seattle area?
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: LaCroix on October 28, 2016, 01:35:25 PM
the bookstore in portland is pretty cool
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 28, 2016, 01:42:59 PM
My two favorite memories of Seattle are the hydroplane races and some Indian festival thing, neither of which you can do in November.  So if I were you I would just each a buttload of Salmon and chuckle at the Japanese tourists.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: garbon on October 28, 2016, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on October 28, 2016, 01:35:25 PM
the bookstore in portland is pretty cool
Oversized is probably a better word.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Tonitrus on October 28, 2016, 07:01:35 PM
Not there now (and won't be during said timeframe), but it is the motherland.  :)

For the Portland area, find a Burgerville (local chain)...always very good.  Portland is also known for other good/odd food places (e.g  http://wafflewindow.com/ ).

Seattle area I am more familiar with.  Will you be based in any particular part of the Seattle area, or in the city itself?
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: katmai on October 28, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
Well Seattle wise we don't have anyone currently visiting Languish anymore, Mihali was the last.
Likewise Fahdiz is closest to Portland but he isn't active either.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Valmy on October 28, 2016, 07:53:53 PM
I miss Camper.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2016, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 28, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
Well Seattle wise we don't have anyone currently visiting Languish anymore, Mihali was the last.

I keep trying to get my ass up there, but nobody will hire me. 
I would take Berkut's advice and show up anyway, but doesn't the Pacific Northwest have enough homeless runaways as it is?  It would be pretty depressing to be the only Gen Xer living under the overpass.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Tonitrus on October 28, 2016, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2016, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 28, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
Well Seattle wise we don't have anyone currently visiting Languish anymore, Mihali was the last.

I keep trying to get my ass up there, but nobody will hire me. 
I would take Berkut's advice and show up anyway, but doesn't the Pacific Northwest have enough homeless runaways as it is?  It would be pretty depressing to be the only Gen Xer living under the overpass.

Just tell them you knew Kurt Cobain back in the day.  :P
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2016, 08:47:34 PM
lol, yeah I WAS THERE MAN
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: katmai on October 28, 2016, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2016, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 28, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
Well Seattle wise we don't have anyone currently visiting Languish anymore, Mihali was the last.

I keep trying to get my ass up there, but nobody will hire me. 
I would take Berkut's advice and show up anyway, but doesn't the Pacific Northwest have enough homeless runaways as it is?  It would be pretty depressing to be the only Gen Xer living under the overpass.

Man there are whole fucking cities under I5 south of downtown Seattle it is crazy.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Tonitrus on October 28, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2016, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 28, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
Well Seattle wise we don't have anyone currently visiting Languish anymore, Mihali was the last.

I keep trying to get my ass up there, but nobody will hire me. 
I would take Berkut's advice and show up anyway, but doesn't the Pacific Northwest have enough homeless runaways as it is?  It would be pretty depressing to be the only Gen Xer living under the overpass.

Is this in your skillset?

https://us-amazon.icims.com/jobs/420408/global-security-operations-policy-manager/job?iis=Job+Posting&iisn=Indeed+%28Free+Posting%29&mobile=false&width=1243&height=1200&bga=true&needsRedirect=false&jan1offset=-540&jun1offset=-480 (https://us-amazon.icims.com/jobs/420408/global-security-operations-policy-manager/job?iis=Job+Posting&iisn=Indeed+%28Free+Posting%29&mobile=false&width=1243&height=1200&bga=true&needsRedirect=false&jan1offset=-540&jun1offset=-480)

Or maybe this one:

https://us-amazon.icims.com/jobs/439883/program-manager---physical-security-subject-matter-expert/job?iis=Job+Posting&iisn=Indeed+%28Free+Posting%29
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2016, 09:15:37 PM
Dude, I have applied to Amazon physical security/SOC positions so many times the last 4 years--not just Seattle, but back here--I don't think they've ever had them filled.  :lol: I think they're really just gag jobs, and Amazon needs the clicks. :lol:
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on October 29, 2016, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 28, 2016, 07:01:35 PM
Not there now (and won't be during said timeframe), but it is the motherland.  :)

For the Portland area, find a Burgerville (local chain)...always very good.  Portland is also known for other good/odd food places (e.g  http://wafflewindow.com/ ).

Seattle area I am more familiar with.  Will you be based in any particular part of the Seattle area, or in the city itself?

I'll be staying in prosaic Renton. 
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Tonitrus on October 29, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
Renton is better than it used to be.  :)

It's where the area's only Fry's Electronics is located...and there is a Top Pot donut in the main shopping area there.

But...pretty well centrally located to get to the good stuff. 

Also close enough the airport/south light rail stations...so you can park over there and an train it into downtown.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on October 30, 2016, 06:30:49 AM
Are the gardens in Portland worth seeing in November; or is it too late by then?
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 30, 2016, 07:07:43 AM
Is it too late to stop rubbing it in peoples' faces?
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on November 13, 2016, 10:17:50 PM
Portland was beautiful; their zoning laws are so stringent that the area right outside the city is wine country.  It's not so great for the people who live there; they're on the road to becoming a second San Francisco with high paying tech jobs for the elite and poverty coupled with high rent for everyone else.

We're working on the radio system for the bus and LRV system.  Our sub contractor told us the lesson he's learned throughout the years is never hire ex-army rangers as your tower climbers.  He had two work for him, and both decided to rappel down the radio towers (like real men safety equipment is for pussies.)  One guy had his rappelling recorded and posted to Youtube by a random passer-by only to have OSHA discover it.  The other did it right in front of the OSHA inspector.  Both of those resulted in $10,000 fines.

The gardens are still in bloom; in fact the International Rose Test Garden doesn't shut down until Christmas.  The Japanese Garden was supposed to be similar to what one would find in Sapporo, I guess that has a similar climate to Portland.  The Chinese Garden (located in the city center) was small, but very well done.  There was an overwhelming amount of mums on display there.

The art museum had a decent collection of Native American arts and a fair collection of Asian art; but otherwise was spectacularly lame.  The only piece I found interesting was a Botticelli cross done post-conversion by Savonarola (and that was for reasons entirely unrelated to its artistic merit.)  The "Outstanding" piece in the contemporary collection was "No, No New Museum" by Bruce Nauman where he dressed up like a harlequin, jumped up and down shouting"No" and videotaped himself doing this.  This was (and I'm not making this up) the beginning of Nauman's Torturous Clown phase.

The beer was excellent; while, by law, I can't admit their beers are better than those made in Michigan, they were very nearly as good.  One place we went to had nearly 80 Oregon beers on tap.  They also have craft distilleries there as well; I didn't try any of those but I'll just go ahead and say Michigan does those better as well.  ;)

I did go to Powell's Bookstore.  That was impressive.  I got "The Hero With A Thousand Faces."  The clerk was a young woman:

Clerk:  Oh, I'm a huge fan of Joseph Campbell too  :)
Savonarola:  He's my wife's favorite author; I'm getting this to replace the copy she lost.
Clerk:  Oh...

And that ended that conversation.  Not that it matters anymore, but I see I'm every bit as good at dealing with the opposite gender as ever.

I also went to a bar called "Pépé le Moko" on a recommendation from the guide they had in the hotel, and the name, of course.  It was a pretty cool cellar bar, but the drink list was unimaginative and half the drinks were girl drinks.  It had been a rough week for me with Trump's election; and I felt myself losing faith in the future of America again when the bartender told me that the "Fino" sherry was a sweet sherry.  I got a Martini instead.  It met my expectation.  It tasted like booze.

Living in the swamp I'm not used to hear people use words like "Cis-gendered," "Hetronormative" or "Paradigm" in casual conversation; much less in the same sentence.  Even my co-workers from Seattle thought that the Portlanders were flaky.

I'm in Seattle now where, to my relief, you can occasionally see black people (though, admittedly, not very often) and the young ladies at the coffee shops were discussing  :secret: friends and  :secret: boys while the young men were discussing football.

Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on November 14, 2016, 08:36:23 PM
I went to downtown Seattle today and got lunch at The Flying Fish.  There was a couple sitting next to me which, as is the custom of the people of Seattle, consisted of a white man and a woman of Asian extraction.  They both had ordered an Asian fusion dish; the guy ate his with chop sticks while the gal ate hers with a fork.  That struck me as the perfect metaphor for Seattle; their cracked looking glass of a servant.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Admiral Yi on November 14, 2016, 08:39:48 PM
Maybe she was Thai.  Thai use fork and knife. :nerd:
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: MadImmortalMan on November 14, 2016, 10:16:45 PM
My wife is in Seattle right now.

Damn I missed Ft. Worth and now this too.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on November 21, 2016, 04:49:26 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 28, 2016, 12:44:01 PM
Seattle: full of dirty hipsters pointedly sighing as you demand they actually serve you the organic coffee you ordered half an hour ago. Not keen to go back. Portland is probably worse.

If you didn't like Seattle you'd really hate Portland.  Seattle is as much a blue collar city as it is a hipster paradise.  Portland is the vision of the dystopian future where the white bourgeoisie has triumphed.  Everyone who doesn't eat organic conflict-free free range sustainable kale will be sent to re-education camps.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Syt on November 21, 2016, 04:50:58 PM
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Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
Fuck 'em. They don't want anyone moving there anyway, so they can enjoy those Chinese nukes in 2027. 
Flash pan-seared Granola and Birkenstocks, yum-may.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on November 21, 2016, 04:53:51 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 29, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
Renton is better than it used to be.  :)

It's where the area's only Fry's Electronics is located...and there is a Top Pot donut in the main shopping area there.

The official doughnut of the Seattle Seahawks.  I was surprised at how far the Seahawk fandom went (although I've never lived in a city which had a good football team  <_<.)

They were good doughnuts, thanks for the recommendation.   :)
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: garbon on November 21, 2016, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
Fuck 'em. They don't want anyone moving there anyway, so they can enjoy those Chinese nukes in 2027. 
Flash pan-seared Granola and Birkenstocks, yum-may.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to move to Portland anyway. Well...maybe if you're white I could kind of see it.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on November 22, 2016, 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on November 14, 2016, 08:36:23 PM
I went to downtown Seattle today and got lunch at The Flying Fish.  There was a couple sitting next to me which, as is the custom of the people of Seattle, consisted of a white man and a woman of Asian extraction.  They both had ordered an Asian fusion dish; the guy ate his with chop sticks while the gal ate hers with a fork.  That struck me as the perfect metaphor for Seattle; their cracked looking glass of a servant.

Then I saw a bumper sticker with "I carry a pistol because a rifle won't fit in my purse," on a Volvo.  It would have been better if it had been on a Prius, but I think that's also a good metaphor for Seattle.  (The same car had a "Guns and Coffee" bumper sticker with the Starbuck's Mermaid with 2 pistols like she was Chow Yun-Fat.)
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2016, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2016, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
Fuck 'em. They don't want anyone moving there anyway, so they can enjoy those Chinese nukes in 2027. 
Flash pan-seared Granola and Birkenstocks, yum-may.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to move to Portland anyway. Well...maybe if you're white I could kind of see it.

I just want to get away the heat and the traffic.  And see how funky living in PST really is.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: garbon on November 22, 2016, 12:09:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2016, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2016, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
Fuck 'em. They don't want anyone moving there anyway, so they can enjoy those Chinese nukes in 2027. 
Flash pan-seared Granola and Birkenstocks, yum-may.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to move to Portland anyway. Well...maybe if you're white I could kind of see it.

I just want to get away the heat and the traffic.  And see how funky living in PST really is.

Northern California?
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2016, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 22, 2016, 12:09:56 PM
Northern California?

Meh, nobody calls from there, either.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: garbon on November 22, 2016, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2016, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 22, 2016, 12:09:56 PM
Northern California?

Meh, nobody calls from there, either.

If I was there, I'd call you. :hug:
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2016, 12:16:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 22, 2016, 12:14:41 PM
If I was there, I'd call you. :hug:

:hug:
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: sbr on November 22, 2016, 10:14:35 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2016, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2016, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
Fuck 'em. They don't want anyone moving there anyway, so they can enjoy those Chinese nukes in 2027. 
Flash pan-seared Granola and Birkenstocks, yum-may.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to move to Portland anyway. Well...maybe if you're white I could kind of see it.

I just want to get away the heat and the traffic.  And see how funky living in PST really is.

NFL games at 10AM, 1PM and 530PM on Sundays.  They start too early to get sucked into any bullshit before they start and end early enough to get to bed on time that night.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: sbr on November 22, 2016, 10:21:51 PM
Of course there is a lot of Seahawks, 49ers and Raiders bullshit to put up with.

At least here in the Portland market.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2016, 10:27:56 PM
For years, I listened to Pat Summerall and Jim Nance tell me that "60 Minutes" would be broadcast in its entirety immediately following the game, except on the West Coast, where it will begin at its regular scheduled time.

I want to know what that is like in November.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: sbr on November 22, 2016, 10:36:08 PM
Glorious.

And dark.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2016, 10:37:01 PM
 :mad:  Stupid pine trees.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Tonitrus on November 22, 2016, 10:52:44 PM
I think he means the sun setting not long after 4 pm.  :P
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: katmai on November 23, 2016, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 22, 2016, 10:52:44 PM
I think he means the sun setting not long after 4 pm.  :P
:yes:
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Tonitrus on November 23, 2016, 12:32:53 AM
Quote from: katmai on November 23, 2016, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 22, 2016, 10:52:44 PM
I think he means the sun setting not long after 4 pm.  :P
:yes:

Except that happens in B'more too.  :P

(I think their sunrise is a little earlier tho)
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: katmai on November 23, 2016, 12:36:28 AM
quick google search shows Baltimore gets roughly 30mins more sun in morning and 20 at night.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Tonitrus on November 23, 2016, 12:40:02 AM
Meh, not too much really.  We gain/lose that here in a week.  :P

Also, Seattle's lovely winter overcast.  :wub:
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 23, 2016, 07:07:22 AM
Fuck all of you.
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: garbon on November 23, 2016, 07:54:10 AM
Lovely winter overcast? Has there ever been a sillier phrase? :hmm:
Title: Re: Portland and Seattle
Post by: Savonarola on November 23, 2016, 09:48:54 AM
Boeing has a museum in Seattle called "The World of Flight" which covers the history of flight, the history of Boeing, the fighters planes of the First and Second World War and space flight.  It's an enormous museum and covers each of its topics in great depth.  There were a few things that I found interesting:

The original business model for airlines was mail carriage.  As they became bigger mail planes were adapted to carry passengers.

There were about 4000 commercial planes in service in the United States at the beginning of the Second World War.  At the end of the war the military had built 300,000 planes.

One mean to get power to various machines in factories is called a busbar.  Its a single electrified metal bar that multiple machines can be "Plugged" into.  Before electrification of factories what they would have is a spinning rod; this would provide mechanical power to various machines that would be attached to the rod by a leather strap.  This was how the original Boeing aircraft were made.  Given the complexity of modern airplane manufacturing this was surprising to me.

When the US Congress received the request for $125,000 from the army for airplanes at the beginning of the US entry into the First World War some Congressman shot back, "What is this needed for?  We've already bought you one."