QuoteNFL Point Spreads For Week 6 - NFL Spreads 10/16 - 10/17, 2016
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
10/16 1:00 ET At New England -7.5 Cincinnati
10/16 1:00 ET At NY Giants -3.5 Baltimore
10/16 1:00 ET Carolina -3 At New Orleans
10/16 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7.5 At Miami
10/16 1:00 ET At Chicago -2.5 Jacksonville
10/16 1:00 ET At Buffalo -7.5 San Francisco
10/16 1:00 ET At Detroit -3 Los Angeles
10/16 1:00 ET At Tennessee -7.5 Cleveland
10/16 1:00 ET Philadelphia -3 At Washington
10/16 4:05 ET Kansas City -2 At Oakland
10/16 4:25 ET At Seattle -7 Atlanta
10/16 4:25 ET At Green Bay -5 Dallas
10/16 8:30 ET At Houston -3 Indianapolis
Monday Night Football Point Spread
10/17 8:30 ET At Arizona -7.5 NY Jets
All aboard the Jay-Train! Choo! Choo!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 16, 2016, 10:48:17 AM
QuoteNFL Point Spreads For Week 6 - NFL Spreads 10/16 - 10/17, 2016
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
10/16 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7.5 At Miami
Fuck you Vegas. Our line smashed your line. :moon:
It's week 6. Your posts lately.... about as consistent as you setting your fantasy lineup :unsure:
I simply don't care anymore.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 16, 2016, 03:11:37 PM
All aboard the Jay-Train! Choo! Choo!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 16, 2016, 10:48:17 AM
QuoteNFL Point Spreads For Week 6 - NFL Spreads 10/16 - 10/17, 2016
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
10/16 1:00 ET Pittsburgh -7.5 At Miami
Fuck you Vegas. Our line smashed your line. :moon:
The team getting to 2-4 doesn't seem like much reason to moon people.
I think that Wayne Huizenga's moves in the 90s - pushing out don shula, locking jimmy johnson and dan marino's careers together against their wills and having both their careers end on ugly terms, and selling out the stadium name - have cursed the franchise. Lets see how the Cubs do this postseason, but maybe the only way to break the curse is to turn over football operations to Theo Epstein.
The slurs continue to win somehow. Dominant on both lines. Maybe last year was no fluke. Do I dare to dream?
Yeah. Dare to dream and whatnot.
Packers passing game is still atrocious. Wonder what is wrong, besides the obvious answer being that Rodgers really sucks right now.
Brady is looking really good. Who knows how much longer that'll last though, he's getting old. Hope they can win this year and put him in a class by himself.
The Bills actually look pretty good.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 17, 2016, 10:04:15 AM
Brady is looking really good. Who knows how much longer that'll last though, he's getting old. Hope they can win this year and put him in a class by himself.
No question he is their Trump card, he Towers over the competition. They did pretty well without him, but only Brady can make Belichick great again.
Heh.
Someone has to take the air out of the Brady brigade. ;)
Quote from: alfred russel on October 16, 2016, 07:21:05 PM
The team getting to 2-4 doesn't seem like much reason to moon people.
I think that Wayne Huizenga's moves in the 90s - pushing out don shula, locking jimmy johnson and dan marino's careers together against their wills and having both their careers end on ugly terms, and selling out the stadium name - have cursed the franchise. Lets see how the Cubs do this postseason, but maybe the only way to break the curse is to turn over football operations to Theo Epstein.
Thumping a team getting 7.5 for an away game is a moon-worthy event. It also demonstrates that this is actually a good football team when the Unicorn Line is healthy.
As for "curses", Huizenga was just not a good owner. Ross has started out rough, but like Bob Kraft in New England I think he has come to realize that there are plenty of things about running a football team he doesn't know and that he needs to find the right people to cover those weaknesses. Huizenga, on the other hand, seemed much more interested in the idea of owning a South Florida sports empire than really nurturing any of the teams he owned.
And they tore Big Ben's meniscus.
Quote from: Berkut on October 17, 2016, 10:09:11 AM
The Bills actually look pretty good.
it was the Niners.
Quote from: katmai on October 17, 2016, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 17, 2016, 10:09:11 AM
The Bills actually look pretty good.
it was the Niners.
So?
They are 4-2, that by definition is at the very least "pretty good".
Quote from: Berkut on October 17, 2016, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 17, 2016, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 17, 2016, 10:09:11 AM
The Bills actually look pretty good.
it was the Niners.
So?
They are 4-2, that by definition is at the very least "pretty good".
i just mean the Niners make everyone look good
Derspeiss, I'm interested if you saw this story and your thoughts.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4796733/bill-belichick-im-done-with-the-tablets-just-cant-take-it-anymore
Quote from: alfred russel on October 18, 2016, 04:01:08 PM
Derspeiss, I'm interested if you saw this story and your thoughts.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4796733/bill-belichick-im-done-with-the-tablets-just-cant-take-it-anymore
Specifically in regards to him, he's so old school in his personal ways that we thought out of all coaches he'd be the holdout, using paper pictures and never bothering to touch a tablet. But up until now he's been one of the few NFL head coaches you see using them.
I keep 16 tablets on my sideline, and have generally found them to be pretty dependable. Probably 70% of the time there is an issue it's operator error (they switch to stylus mode and then complain about not being able to use their finger). The other 20% it's something simple like the tablet just needs a force-connect to the server. The other 10% it's something I can't diagnose-- the tablet just crashes and reboots for some reason.
I've seen usage of the tablets increase about twofold over last year; the younger coaches particularly like them. And if/when we get video on them, everyone will want one.
One other thing-- not all stadiums' sideline technicians (purple hats) are created equal. Where I work, we have three bona fide IT professionals with more certs than I can count. Plus me. I'm just an IT project manager so I don't have the specializations they have, but I know enough to be dangerous.
Many other stadiums tend to be staffed by guys who just happened to have the right connections (kind of like me but some of them barely know how to turn on a PC, let alone log into a server, start/restart services, diagnose datacomm issues, etc.). So they not only have difficulty troubleshooting simple issues-- at times they make things way worse and cause the more publicized issues.
If the tablets just show pictures, what is their advantage over pictures?
Also, why do they have non human errors?
Thanks for the info, it is interesting. I'm amused by the thought of Bill Belichick selecting stylus mode and then freaking out and slamming down the tablet when he can't use his finger.
Quote from: derspiess on October 18, 2016, 04:22:47 PM
I'm just an IT project manager so I don't have the specializations they have, but I know enough to be dangerous.
lol, management. "AGILE? Well, not as much as I used to be, especially with this knee. You know how it is."
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 17, 2016, 10:23:36 AM
Someone has to take the air out of the Brady brigade. ;)
If the guy played like he picked presidential candidates, he'd be quarterbacking the Bungles.
Where's this week's thread?
The Seahawks and Cardinals just set the NFL back more than a week, at any rate. More like 75 years, probably. At the very least, they set place-kicking back 50 years.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 18, 2016, 04:34:17 PM
If the tablets just show pictures, what is their advantage over pictures?
They're in color, you can zoom, they're sorted neatly by series, and you have every play with with both angles on the tablet. Any coach can pick up any tablet and select his profile from the drop-down and bam, he gets his pictures sorted and from the angle he wants. The younger coaches love them.
Older coaches love their black & white paper pictures. Some of them keep them all in a binder divided by series, some just get each series run out to them stapled together and throw them away when they're finished looking at them.
But what's going to eventually kill paper pictures is when they figure out how to reliably push video out to 16 devices at once. We've tested video during the last two preseasons and it's a hugely popular with the coaches, as you can imagine. Problem is getting all that data out in a timely manner through wifi. Works great in a lab; less so in a game sideline situation. Gigabit Ethernet seems to do okay, but then you have the logistical nightmare of moving tablets back and forth throughout the game.
QuoteAlso, why do they have non human errors?
Not sure what you mean.
QuoteThanks for the info, it is interesting. I'm amused by the thought of Bill Belichick selecting stylus mode and then freaking out and slamming down the tablet when he can't use his finger.
I had... some issues with mine yesterday. Not sure if it's the latest firmware or hardware, but had to send three back to MS for replacement :ph34r:
Quote from: dps on October 24, 2016, 12:00:01 AM
Where's this week's thread?
Mailed it in. Like the Ravens' season. Maybe next week.
Derspeiss, I probably just don't appreciate the IT problems.
The actual game, with lots of replays etc., gets broadcast real time and just by connecting a tablet to a streaming service you can get it on a device in real time with near perfect reliability (assuming you have a good network). The challenge of getting a handful of pictures onto a tablet in less than real time seems much less.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 24, 2016, 10:28:43 AM
Derspeiss, I probably just don't appreciate the IT problems.
The actual game, with lots of replays etc., gets broadcast real time and just by connecting a tablet to a streaming service you can get it on a device in real time with near perfect reliability (assuming you have a good network). The challenge of getting a handful of pictures onto a tablet in less than real time seems much less.
Yep, seems dead simple in theory. But sometimes you have a tablet that just decides to stop trying to communicate with the server. Sometimes a service or process on the server hiccups or gets stuck and you have to restart it. Sometimes you have two or three large NFL player bodies between the wifi antenna and tablet that interrupt the signal. Sometimes early in the season the temperature is well into the 90s and you have tablets overheating. Sometimes it rains cats and dogs and the supposedly waterproofed devices get soaked. Sometimes there's a stadium power issue (that was the root cause of the two most publicized incidents last year).
We've found that the sweet spot is about 8 devices connected to the server; get above that and things start slowing down a bit. if you get the maximum allowed 13 devices out in circulation on the bench it can really strain the server.
For me most games are uneventful. Occasionally I have to manually reconnect a "stuck" device or help with operator error-type situations, but most of the time I can catch most of the game as I'm monitoring my tablets.
Yeah, could definitely see how an NFL game would wreak major havoc on trying to maintain Wi-Fi connectivity down on the field. So many environmental obstacles, you'd start irradiating everyone. :lol:
BW photos and zip lines FTW :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2016, 11:11:32 AM
BW photos and zip lines FTW :)
And game film was really film back then :D
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2016, 10:59:37 AM
Yep, seems dead simple in theory. But sometimes you have a tablet that just decides to stop trying to communicate with the server. Sometimes a service or process on the server hiccups or gets stuck and you have to restart it. Sometimes you have two or three large NFL player bodies between the wifi antenna and tablet that interrupt the signal. Sometimes early in the season the temperature is well into the 90s and you have tablets overheating. Sometimes it rains cats and dogs and the supposedly waterproofed devices get soaked. Sometimes there's a stadium power issue (that was the root cause of the two most publicized incidents last year).
We've found that the sweet spot is about 8 devices connected to the server; get above that and things start slowing down a bit. if you get the maximum allowed 13 devices out in circulation on the bench it can really strain the server.
For me most games are uneventful. Occasionally I have to manually reconnect a "stuck" device or help with operator error-type situations, but most of the time I can catch most of the game as I'm monitoring my tablets.
But doesn't that seem like a product that wasn't designed as well as it should have been?
Quote from: alfred russel on October 24, 2016, 11:38:04 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2016, 10:59:37 AM
Yep, seems dead simple in theory. But sometimes you have a tablet that just decides to stop trying to communicate with the server. Sometimes a service or process on the server hiccups or gets stuck and you have to restart it. Sometimes you have two or three large NFL player bodies between the wifi antenna and tablet that interrupt the signal. Sometimes early in the season the temperature is well into the 90s and you have tablets overheating. Sometimes it rains cats and dogs and the supposedly waterproofed devices get soaked. Sometimes there's a stadium power issue (that was the root cause of the two most publicized incidents last year).
We've found that the sweet spot is about 8 devices connected to the server; get above that and things start slowing down a bit. if you get the maximum allowed 13 devices out in circulation on the bench it can really strain the server.
For me most games are uneventful. Occasionally I have to manually reconnect a "stuck" device or help with operator error-type situations, but most of the time I can catch most of the game as I'm monitoring my tablets.
But doesn't that seem like a product that wasn't designed as well as it should have been?
Again, you can design something that works great in a lab but falls apart in a practical situation. Then you have MS, the league and DVSport butting heads on how best to design/fix things...
I start feeling good about the Redskins and see how they repay me?
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2016, 01:06:22 PM
Again, you can design something that works great in a lab but falls apart in a practical situation. Then you have MS, the league and DVSport butting heads on how best to design/fix things...
Yeah, but the NFL is a multibillion dollar business. I'd have thought they (along with Microsoft) would have the kinks worked out before kickoff. An NFL stadium isn't a lab, but it isn't like they are trying to operate the tablets on the moon either.
How about you get right on that then, Dorsey.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 24, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
Yeah, but the NFL is a multibillion dollar business. I'd have thought they (along with Microsoft) would have the kinks worked out before kickoff. An NFL stadium isn't a lab, but it isn't like they are trying to operate the tablets on the moon either.
First of all, the still shot system works pretty well in general. Most coaches seem happy with it and I am not aware of many other than Belichick who initially adopted the tablet and then went back to paper. Anyway, yes there are some kinks, but they are not for a lack of resources dedicated by all three parties involved.
Also, a cynical person might say the whole thing was just a way for MS to pay the league a bunch of money to get its logo permanently on the sideline. Not me, but a cynical person.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2016, 02:32:23 PM
How about you get right on that then, Dorsey.
This country used to be great. We stormed Omaha Beach, dropped atomic bombs on Asian people, and landed a dozen or two men on the men. Even that one time we failed to get our space ship to the moon we turned it into a pretty good Tom Hanks movie.
Now we can't get tablets to work on an NFL sideline. Okay, "the still shot system works pretty well in general" but there are "kinks". What would Neil Armstrong have said to that?
Neil Armstrong would've already unplugged the router for 30 seconds and plugged it back in.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 24, 2016, 02:50:39 PM
Now we can't get tablets to work on an NFL sideline. Okay, "the still shot system works pretty well in general" but there are "kinks". What would Neil Armstrong have said to that?
https://blogs.windows.com/devices/2016/10/21/surface-and-the-nfl-changing-the-game/#wblPssadrzsWH4t1.97
No further comments :shutup:
Just watched the Arizona vs. Seattle game.
What the fuck was that!? :bleeding:
I think I'm done with the NFL. The product sucks, the broadcasters suck and the commissioner can eat a dick.
Bleh.