Seems like an appropriate choice.
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US singer Bob Dylan has been awarded the 2016 Nobel Prize for Literature.
The 75-year-old rock legend received the prize "for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition".
The balladeer, artist and occasional actor is the first songwriter to win the prestigious award.
The performer - who took his stage name from the poet Dylan Thomas - is the first American to win the award since novelist Toni Morrison in 1993.
Sara Danius, permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, said Dylan had been chosen because he was "a great poet in the English speaking tradition".
"For 54 years now he's been at it reinventing himself, constantly creating a new identity," she told reporters in Stockholm.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37643621 (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37643621)
Seems a bit late though, no? How close are we to his most recent relevant bits of his body of work?
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2016, 07:43:41 AM
Seems a bit late though, no? How close are we to his most recent relevant bits of his body of work?
2006 I'd say. I get your point but isn't this more like a lifetime achievement award than for specific works?
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2016, 07:43:41 AM
Seems a bit late though, no? How close are we to his most recent relevant bits of his body of work?
Yeah. But that is pretty common for the Nobel Prize right? Einstein won his for his 1905 paper in 1922.
Quote from: Liep on October 13, 2016, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2016, 07:43:41 AM
Seems a bit late though, no? How close are we to his most recent relevant bits of his body of work?
2006 I'd say. I get your point but isn't this more like a lifetime achievement award than for specific works?
Obama. ;)
The Peace Prize is special :lol:
Well deserved.
I have always thought he was a poet who has been just smart enough to realise his creations can reach far more people in the form of music.
Quote from: Tamas on October 13, 2016, 08:07:22 AM
Well deserved.
I have always thought he was a poet who has been just smart enough to realise his creations can reach far more people in the form of music.
Heart of a poet and voice of a stroke victim.
Well deserved. The Nobel prizes think out of the box often, and sometimes it backfires on them, but this one is surely deserved.
Wonder if the day will come where a film writer deserves this. Many playwrights have won it already.
Make You Feel My Love - Nana Mouskourki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnWIvrhj2lY
Quote from: Tamas on October 13, 2016, 08:07:22 AM
Well deserved.
I have always thought he was a poet who has been just smart enough to realise his creations can reach far more people in the form of music.
I'd argue that this is almost universally true among modern poets. Have you heard the stuff that passes for 'poetry" today? It's just prose with bad punctuation.
Eh, inoffensive I guess.
Usually when the Nobel dudes do weird shit it pisses me off, but I'm ok with this. :cool:
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 13, 2016, 01:45:34 PM
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Quote from: Hamilcar on October 13, 2016, 12:47:07 PM
Eh, inoffensive I guess.
Yes your post is.
Old people and their attachment to their dying heroes.
:lol:
I'm not actually a fan of his, but I do understand his cultural significance.
I think you're getting locking into au contraire trolling al a Marty.
Bad choice.
He's a SONGwriter (probably the best one), but not a poet.
His words cannot be separated from his music, because the ones are enhanced by the other and vice versa.
In a matter of seconds at least five writers come to mind that deserve the prize more than Dylan.
But discussing Literature and Peace prize Nobels has become useless, because stupidity and political/social opportunity.
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 13, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Bad choice.
He's a SONGwriter (probably the best one), but not a poet.
His words cannot be separated from his music, because the ones are enhanced by the other and vice versa.
In a matter of seconds at least five writers come to mind that deserve the prize more than Dylan.
But discussing Literature and Peace prize Nobels has become useless, because stupidity and political/social opportunity.
L.
I don't see why songs wouldn't count. Do you think Homer would have deserved the Prize?
Quote from: The Brain on October 13, 2016, 02:56:24 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 13, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Bad choice.
He's a SONGwriter (probably the best one), but not a poet.
His words cannot be separated from his music, because the ones are enhanced by the other and vice versa.
In a matter of seconds at least five writers come to mind that deserve the prize more than Dylan.
But discussing Literature and Peace prize Nobels has become useless, because stupidity and political/social opportunity.
L.
I don't see why songs wouldn't count. Do you think Homer would have deserved the Prize?
I'm saying it's a different art form. Would you give a Grammy to JL Borges?
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 13, 2016, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 13, 2016, 02:56:24 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 13, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Bad choice.
He's a SONGwriter (probably the best one), but not a poet.
His words cannot be separated from his music, because the ones are enhanced by the other and vice versa.
In a matter of seconds at least five writers come to mind that deserve the prize more than Dylan.
But discussing Literature and Peace prize Nobels has become useless, because stupidity and political/social opportunity.
L.
I don't see why songs wouldn't count. Do you think Homer would have deserved the Prize?
I'm saying it's a different art form. Would you give a Grammy to JL Borges?
L.
I would and I have.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 13, 2016, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 13, 2016, 02:56:24 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 13, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Bad choice.
He's a SONGwriter (probably the best one), but not a poet.
His words cannot be separated from his music, because the ones are enhanced by the other and vice versa.
In a matter of seconds at least five writers come to mind that deserve the prize more than Dylan.
But discussing Literature and Peace prize Nobels has become useless, because stupidity and political/social opportunity.
L.
I don't see why songs wouldn't count. Do you think Homer would have deserved the Prize?
I'm saying it's a different art form. Would you give a Grammy to JL Borges?
L.
Hillary Clinton has a Grammy. So do Bill and Obama.
If Winston Churchill deserves a Nobel Prize for Literature, then so does Bob Dylan.
Churchill had a knack for dialogue.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 13, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Bad choice.
He's a SONGwriter (probably the best one), but not a poet.
His words cannot be separated from his music, because the ones are enhanced by the other and vice versa.
In a matter of seconds at least five writers come to mind that deserve the prize more than Dylan.
But discussing Literature and Peace prize Nobels has become useless, because stupidity and political/social opportunity.
L.
I've never understood the argument that, if an author has skills beyond mere poetry, he should be disqualified from the Nobel Prize for Literature and the award given to someone incapable of also composing music. The argument that one cannot separate lyrics and musical is self-evidently false: how many lyrical songs have instrumental versions, and how hard is it to find lyrics written down, completely separated from the score?
Now, I can't argue one way or the other for Dylan versus some other candidate, in part because the Literature Prize is such a "lifetime achievement" award, but I will say that I can't think of someone more deserving than Dylan in terms of the quality of the writing and impact on public consciousness.
The days are long gone when a work that was popular was considered too vulgar to be literature, and only shitty obscure authors were noble enough to get the Nobel.
It is now only a matter of time before the Nobel Literature Committee recognizes the brilliance of "baby one more time" by Britney Spears.
Nobel Committee can't get a hold of Bob Dylan (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/entertainment/bob-dylan-noble-prize-trnd/)
Still cryptic as ever. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Pedrito on October 13, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Bad choice.
He's a SONGwriter (probably the best one), but not a poet.
His words cannot be separated from his music, because the ones are enhanced by the other and vice versa.
In a matter of seconds at least five writers come to mind that deserve the prize more than Dylan.
But discussing Literature and Peace prize Nobels has become useless, because stupidity and political/social opportunity.
L.
I read recently that John Steinbeck nominated Al Capp (cartoonist who wrote "Lil' Abner") for the Nobel Prize in literature. So it could have been worse; the writers of Charlie Hedbo could have won.
;)
Personally I think Dylan's a decent choice. Graduate students in literature will be over-analyzing his lyrics for decades to come; certainly that alone merits at least some consideration for the prize.