http://navylive.dodlive.mil/2016/09/29/enlisted-rating-modernization-plan-five-things-you-need-to-know/
QuoteEnlisted Rating Modernization Plan – Five Things You Need to Know
By U.S. Navy – September 29, 2016
Posted in: Career, Navy Life
From Chief of Naval Personnel Public Affairs
Following its review, the Navy announced Sept. 29, 2016, that it will modernize all rating titles for Sailors with the establishment of a new classification system.
Here are five things you need to know about this important change.
1) This decision is the result of a comprehensive review of Navy rating titles completed this year by the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy and his leadership mess. In June, the Navy announced that it would develop a new approach to enlisted ratings that would provide greater detailing flexibility, training and credentialing opportunities, and ultimately translate Navy occupations more clearly to the American public. Establishing a new classification system is the first step of a multi-phased approach. This change will benefit all Sailors with greater career flexibility, both in the Navy and after they depart the service, by being able to better translate their skill sets to prospective employers. Additionally, these changes will provide the Navy opportunities to improve Sailor "Fit" – the right Sailors with the right training and experience in the right billets.
2) Effective immediately, Sailors in paygrades E1-E3 will be addressed as "Seaman," E4-E6 will be called "Petty Officer Third/Second/First Class" as appropriate, and Senior enlisted in paygrades E7-E9 will be "Chief," "Senior Chief," or "Master Chief" depending on their paygrade.
•For example, a Sailor will no longer be called YN2. Instead, they will be called a "Second Class Petty Officer" or "Petty Officer."
•There will no longer be a distinction between "Airman, Fireman and Seaman." They will all be "Seaman."
•This cultural change will not happen overnight. It will take a measured approach to make it the norm.
3) The Navy will more accurately identify a Sailors' skill and training through a "Navy Occupational Specialty" or "NOS" code – a second key component of this change – that will allow greater assignment flexibility for Sailors throughout their career.
•Sailors may hold more than one NOS, which will give them a broader range of professional experience and expertise opportunities.
•NOS codes will be grouped under career fields that will enable flexibility to move between occupational specialties within each field and will be tied to training and qualifications.
•Advances in technical training realized through Ready Relevant Learning and a more comprehensive picture of billet technical requirements afforded through Billet-Based Distribution will provide the ability to much more closely track a Sailor's training and professional development and match it to billets.
•Each NOS will be matched with similar civilian occupations to enable the Navy to identify credentials and certifications recognized and valued within the civilian workforce. For example a hospital corpsman will be matched with the civilian occupation of a medical technician.
•The Navy will aggressively pursue opportunities for Sailors to earn credentials recognized and held by their civilian counterparts and incorporate those credentials into Sailors' professional development.
4) The Navy's Enlisted Rating Modernization Plan transformation will occur in phases over a multi-year period. A working group was formed in July to identify personnel policies, management programs and information technology systems that may require modifications over the years and months ahead. There will be no immediate changes to recruiting, detailing, advancements, training, and personnel and pay processes. Any follow-on changes that are made will proceed in a deliberate process that will enable transitions to occur seamlessly and transparently to the Fleet. You should expect to get plenty of advance notice prior any changes to these very important career processes.
5) This change is one step in a larger effort to modernize our personnel systems. As the Navy transforms its training to a mobile, modular and more frequent system called Ready Relevant Learning, combined with recent creation of the Billet-Based Distribution system that provides a more comprehensive picture of billet requirements Fleet-wide, this enlisted rating modernization plan will provide the ability to much more closely track a Sailor's training and professional development and match it to billets.
I will give you lanlubbers my opinion at a later time. For now just know that since yesterday the Navy and related social media is in an uproar.
Makes sense to me; of course, that' probably due, in part, to the "new' system being pretty much the same as the old system i grew up with. I never like the "fireman" and "airman' designations, either, even after we started using engines in ships and getting airplanes.
I thought the US Navy was the first to train all sailors as firemen.
Meh, only rating that matters is Veterans Preference.
Quote from: grumbler on September 30, 2016, 10:48:01 AM
Makes sense to me; of course, that' probably due, in part, to the "new' system being pretty much the same as the old system i grew up with. I never like the "fireman" and "airman' designations, either, even after we started using engines in ships and getting airplanes.
You remember when the navy started using engines in ships? :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on September 30, 2016, 10:48:01 AM
Makes sense to me; of course, that' probably due, in part, to the "new' system being pretty much the same as the old system i grew up with. I never like the "fireman" and "airman' designations, either, even after we started using engines in ships and getting airplanes.
As an Commissioned Officer I'm sure you will see it differently than the enlisted folks, different subculture. Back when Moses signed your PQS, you never started as enlisted did you?
Huh. That's.......a thing.
You know, I can't think of very many times where I was actually called "Airman lastname, " vs just my last name in normal, not school type situations. I was called AW#, and Petty Officer a lot when walking around Pensacola and Camp Pendleton, but just "lastname" on the ship when talking to pretty much everyone except the OIC and the captain. Everyone not an officer or Chief+ was just "lastname." vOv
Never heard anyone actually refer to someone else as "Petty Officer X Class lastname" in my life. Because wtf
E: lolz that comment: "Next announcement over the 1MC, "Petty Officer 2nd Class Smith, Report to the Quarterdeck". Within 5 min IT2 Smith, DC2 Smith, YN2 Smith, GMG2 Smith and EN2 Smith all arrive on the Quarterdeck and it was GSM2 Smith they were looking who is on leave. "
All the Marines called you the Rear Admiral.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 30, 2016, 11:28:35 AM
All the Marines called you the Rear Admiral.
I worked at the hospital as a petty officer. Most of them thought I was a corpsman. The only other time I interacted with Marines a lot was in NACCS, since we were all in the same class and the instructor was a SSgt. Everyone was lastname there too, no shittalking at all, since were were doing the same exact thing.
Well, I guess that's what the CNO call was about that my nephew mentioned on Facebook yesterday.
Sexist. Should be "person of the sea."
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 11:29:47 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 30, 2016, 11:28:35 AM
All the Marines called you the Rear Admiral.
I worked at the hospital as a petty officer. Most of them thought I was a corpsman. The only other time I interacted with Marines a lot was in NACCS, since we were all in the same class and the instructor was a SSgt. Everyone was lastname there too.
Guess they changed the ratings on lowbrow service jokes, too. :(
#AssburgerStrong
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 30, 2016, 11:02:01 AM
As an Commissioned Officer I'm sure you will see it differently than the enlisted folks, different subculture. Back when Moses signed your PQS, you never started as enlisted did you?
I did start out as enlisted.
Now, the story posted above refers how sailors "will be addressed as." That's talking about how you address them (i.e. to their face). The system outlined here is what it always was for me in the navy - except for E-3 and below, we used titles (petty officer, chief, lieutenant, etc) plus last name.
The story refers to a "Enlisted Rating Modernization Plan." I don't see where it says it is an Enlisted Rating Elimination Plan. Ratings have been modernized numerous times over the years - there aren't stewards and messmen, just messmen. There aren't FTGs and FTMs, just FTs (and even those might have changed since i retired).
If they are actually eliminating ratings rather than just modernizing them and standardizing terms of address, that's a different story.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 30, 2016, 11:48:11 AM
Guess they changed the ratings on lowbrow service jokes, too. :(
#AssburgerStrong
No, that one was just particularly stupid. I expect better from you. :)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 11:29:47 AM
I worked at the hospital as a petty officer. Most of them thought I was a corpsman.
Was it because your patients died frequently?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 30, 2016, 11:48:11 AM
Guess they changed the ratings on lowbrow service jokes, too. :(
#AssburgerStrong
No, that one was just particularly stupid. I expect better from you. :)
That's because Veterans Preference points: N/A. :(
Quote from: DGuller on September 30, 2016, 11:51:01 AM
Was it because your patients died frequently?
:bleeding:
I take it back, Seedy. Yours was good.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 11:56:54 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 30, 2016, 11:51:01 AM
Was it because your patients died frequently?
:bleeding:
I take it back, Seedy. Yours was good.
Could have been worse, he could have gone the necrophilia route.
:face:
Quote from: HVC on September 30, 2016, 12:14:04 PM
Could have been worse, he could have gone the necrophilia route.
I dunno. Just going straight to "Well stop banging the dead bodies" or whatever works pretty damn well for a reply to that comment.
Well, here is the Navy message, and it seems ratings will be going away:
QuoteUNCLASSIFIED
ROUTINE
R 291443Z SEP 16
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC
TO NAVADMIN
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC
BT
UNCLAS
PASS TO OFFICE CODES:
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1//
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1//
NAVADMIN 218/16
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1/SEP//
SUBJ/NAVY RATING MODERNIZATION//
RMKS/1. This NAVADMIN announces the first phase of a multi-year
implementation effort to transform current Navy Enlisted Career Management
processes.
2. This modernization effort is the result of a review of Navy rating titles
completed this year by the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy and his
leadership mess. As a result, the Secretary of the Navy announced that the
Navy will develop a new approach to enlisted ratings that provides greater
detailing flexibility, training and credentialing opportunities, and
ultimately translates Navy occupations more clearly to the American public.
The intent is to transform our enlisted personnel business processes to
maximize talent management and career flexibility, while arming our Sailors
with superior training and widely recognized credentials that will convey to
the civilian workforce.
3. Navy will move from Rating Titles to alpha-numeric Navy Occupational
Specialty (NOS) codes. This change is a first step on the way to providing
Sailors the opportunity to move back and forth between occupations. This
change represents a significant cultural shift and it is recognized that it
will not happen overnight, but will take time to become fully implemented.
4. Effective immediately, enlisted Navy Sailors will be addressed by rank
vice by rating. E1 through E3 Sailors will be addressed as "Seaman," E4
through E6 will be called "Petty Officer Third/Second/First Class" as
appropriate and senior enlisted paygrades of E7 through E9 will be called
"Chief, Senior Chief, or Master Chief" depending on their paygrade. For
example, a Sailor will no longer be called YN2. Instead, he or she will be
called a "Second Class Petty Officer," or simply "Petty Officer." There will
no longer be a distinction between "Airman, Fireman, and Seaman." They will
all be "Seamen." As we move toward a Navy where Sailors may hold multiple
occupations, rating titles will no longer be applicable. Addressing our
Sailors by rank also brings us more in line with the other services.
5. NOS codes will be grouped under logical and broader career fields. These
career fields will enable flexibility to move between occupational
specialties within career fields and they will be tied to appropriate
training and qualifications. Each NOS will be matched with similar civilian
occupations to enable the Navy to identify credentials and certifications
recognized and valued within the civilian workforce. The Navy will
aggressively pursue opportunities for Sailors to earn credentials recognized
and held by their civilian counterparts and incorporate those credentials
into Sailors professional development.
6. A working group was formed in July to identify personnel policies,
management programs, and information technology systems that may require
modification to support this effort. The working group has developed
recommendations and a plan of action and milestones to fully implement the
transformation to NOS. Changes to personnel management processes, policies,
programs and systems will proceed in deliberate and thoughtful phases that
will enable transitions that are seamless and largely transparent to the
fleet. Fleet involvement and feedback will be solicited during each phase of
the transformation. All aspects of enlisted force management to include
recruiting, detailing, advancements, training, and personnel and pay
processes are being carefully considered as we move forward.
7. This change is one step in a larger effort to modernize our personnel
systems, and will benefit all Sailors with greater career flexibility while
in the Navy and after they depart the Service.
8. Released by Vice Admiral R. P. Burke, N1.//
BT
#0001
NNNN
UNCLASSIFIED//
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 11:27:17 AM
Huh. That's.......a thing.
You know, I can't think of very many times where I was actually called "Airman lastname, " vs just my last name in normal, not school type situations. I was called AW#, and Petty Officer a lot when walking around Pensacola and Camp Pendleton, but just "lastname" on the ship when talking to pretty much everyone except the OIC and the captain. Everyone not an officer or Chief+ was just "lastname." vOv
Never heard anyone actually refer to someone else as "Petty Officer X Class lastname" in my life. Because wtf
E: lolz that comment: "Next announcement over the 1MC, "Petty Officer 2nd Class Smith, Report to the Quarterdeck". Within 5 min IT2 Smith, DC2 Smith, YN2 Smith, GMG2 Smith and EN2 Smith all arrive on the Quarterdeck and it was GSM2 Smith they were looking who is on leave. "
A500, no more AW.
I would be a B220, but as a retired old goat, all my paperwork still says HTC. :) Not that it matters, like mentioned before, we are called Chief no matter the rate.
PS: A500 and B220, sounds like Star Wars androids or something :lol:.
:D Yeah they do.
Do you have a list of the...er...NOSs?
From Reddit, yeah I know I know, but I don't want to deal with my emails from my phone. Long ass post incoming! :
EDIT: COPY AND PASTE SCREWD UP THE FORMAT <_< Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/navy/comments/557hbx/old_rate_to_new_nos_code_conversion/
QuoteDirectly from the Rating Modernization Briefing card and Talking Points I was sent yesterday.
OLD RATE
NEW NAVY OCCUPATIONAL SPECIALTY (NOS) CODE
AB A100
ABE A101
ABF A102
ABH A103
AD A110
AF A120
AM A130
AME A131
AE A200
AT A210
AV A220
AC A400
AG A410
AO A420
AS A430
AZ A440
PR A450
AW A500
AWR A505
AWS A510
AWO A520
AWF A530
AWV A550
EN B110
GS B120
GSE B121
GSM B122
MM B130
DC B200
EM B210
HT B220
IC B230
MR B250
FC B310
FC B311
GM B320
STG B340
BM B400
ET B420
OS B440
QM B450
IT B460
B480
CTI B510
CTI B511
CTI B512
CTI B515
CTI B516
CTM B520
CTN B525
CTR B540
CTT B550
IS B600
MC B610
LN B630
MA B640
CS B650
MU B660
NC B670
NC B675
PS B710
RP B720
SH B730
LS B740
YN B750
FLT, FOR, CNO, CMD, MCN B800
ETV C121
ETR C126
FT C130
MMA C150
MMW C151
MN C160
CS C170
MT C180
LS C220
STS C230
YN C250
ITS C260
CS, EMN, ETN, ETR, ETV, LS, MMA, MMW, MMN, YN C900
EMN D100
EMN D101
EMN D102
ETN D110
ETN D111
ETN D112
FN D120
MMN D130
MMN D131
MMN D132
MMN D133
MMN D134
SN D140
ND E100
EOD E200
SO E300
SB E350
HM G000
BU H100
CE H110
CM H120
CU H130
EA H140
EO H150
EQ H160
SW H170
UC H180
UT H190
AD J020
AE J030
AF J040
AM J080
AME J081
AN J090
AO J100
AS J120
AT J130
AV J140
AW J150
AWF J154
AZ J170
PR J180
BM K000
DC K020
EM K050
EN K060
ET K070
FN K080
HT K090
IC K100
MR K130
CS K140
NC K150
NC K155
IT K200
SN K220
HM L500
PS L510
LS L520
YN L530
Various L540
Various L600
Various L650
CANREC L700
SN M100
SN M150
SN M200
FN M300
FN M350
FN M400
AN M500
AN M550
CN M600
OCMSN V000
OCO2 V010
OCA2 V020
OCNPSN V030
OCCSN V040
OCBSN V050
OCHSN V060
Mobilization, MPN Z900
Other Special Program Indicators Z910
All Other SPI/Unidentified Z999
You guys have way too many grades.
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 30, 2016, 01:03:30 PM
From Reddit, yeah I know I know, but I don't want to deal with my emails from my phone. Long ass post incoming! :
<bigass list>
Whats with the multiple instances of the same thing (for example AW A500 and AW J150, or all the CTIs, etc)? There aren't enough for them to be some sort of replacement for the NEC system.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 30, 2016, 01:03:30 PM
From Reddit, yeah I know I know, but I don't want to deal with my emails from my phone. Long ass post incoming! :
<bigass list>
Whats with the multiple instances of the same thing (for example AW A500 and AW J150, or all the CTIs, etc)? There aren't enough for them to be some sort of replacement for the NEC system.
I Don't know yet, was just looking at this, as an HT I would be either B220 or K090. Dafuq? Depends on skills?
I have not had the time or energy to study what little has been made public so far. I have asked a bit and no one knows anything yet, everyone was just as surprised.
Well this seems like it was well planned and effectively communicated. :lol:
The crows are going to look strange without a rating indicator underneath them. E: Hey didn't Seabees have their own thing too? Constructionman or something? With blue stripes.
Quote from: grumbler on September 30, 2016, 11:48:28 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 30, 2016, 11:02:01 AM
As an Commissioned Officer I'm sure you will see it differently than the enlisted folks, different subculture. Back when Moses signed your PQS, you never started as enlisted did you?
I did start out as enlisted.
Now, the story posted above refers how sailors "will be addressed as." That's talking about how you address them (i.e. to their face). The system outlined here is what it always was for me in the navy - except for E-3 and below, we used titles (petty officer, chief, lieutenant, etc) plus last name.
The story refers to a "Enlisted Rating Modernization Plan." I don't see where it says it is an Enlisted Rating Elimination Plan. Ratings have been modernized numerous times over the years - there aren't stewards and messmen, just messmen. There aren't FTGs and FTMs, just FTs (and even those might have changed since i retired).
If they are actually eliminating ratings rather than just modernizing them and standardizing terms of address, that's a different story.
Army calls it MOS
This change will also allow the Navy to more accurately identify Sailors' skills by creating "Navy Occupational Specialty" (NOS) codes that allow greater assignment flexibility for Sailors throughout their career and will be matched with similar civilian occupations to enable the Navy to identify credentials and certifications recognized and valued within the civilian workforce.
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=96924
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 30, 2016, 12:57:02 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 11:27:17 AM
Huh. That's.......a thing.
You know, I can't think of very many times where I was actually called "Airman lastname, " vs just my last name in normal, not school type situations. I was called AW#, and Petty Officer a lot when walking around Pensacola and Camp Pendleton, but just "lastname" on the ship when talking to pretty much everyone except the OIC and the captain. Everyone not an officer or Chief+ was just "lastname." vOv
Never heard anyone actually refer to someone else as "Petty Officer X Class lastname" in my life. Because wtf
E: lolz that comment: "Next announcement over the 1MC, "Petty Officer 2nd Class Smith, Report to the Quarterdeck". Within 5 min IT2 Smith, DC2 Smith, YN2 Smith, GMG2 Smith and EN2 Smith all arrive on the Quarterdeck and it was GSM2 Smith they were looking who is on leave. "
A500, no more AW.
I would be a B220, but as a retired old goat, all my paperwork still says HTC. :) Not that it matters, like mentioned before, we are called Chief no matter the rate.
PS: A500 and B220, sounds like Star Wars androids or something :lol:.
Welcome to the club. 11B4VQ6
Of course there is only one MOS and that's 11B.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 30, 2016, 06:47:13 PM
Welcome to the club. 11B4VQ6
Take-Out & Delivery, Order/Cash Collection/Tip Coordinator, Senior
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 30, 2016, 07:04:47 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 30, 2016, 06:47:13 PM
Welcome to the club. 11B4VQ6
Take-Out & Delivery, Order/Cash Collection/Tip Coordinator, Senior
Nope
Professional Peeping Tom
The Navy actually named the rank "petty officer" after Grumbler.
Corporal Captain
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 01:34:20 PM
Well this seems like it was well planned and effectively communicated. :lol:
The crows are going to look strange without a rating indicator underneath them. E: Hey didn't Seabees have their own thing too? Constructionman or something? With blue stripes.
I'm sure they'd still have some kind of rating-ish indicator? After all, we have our own specialty badges that we wear.
(here is mine...I am a master locksmith)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.medalsofamerica.com%2FItemImages%2FLarge%2Fb335.jpg&hash=1bb80f4cfdcc39172ac047fe1770cea9c715353e)
What will they now call the peg boy? Is that changing?
Quote from: alfred russel on September 30, 2016, 09:25:35 PM
What will they now call the peg boy? Is that changing?
Nope. He'll still be called "the raz."
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 30, 2016, 09:25:04 PM
I'm sure they'd still have some kind of rating-ish indicator? After all, we have our own specialty badges that we wear.
(here is mine...I am a master locksmith)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.medalsofamerica.com%2FItemImages%2FLarge%2Fb335.jpg&hash=1bb80f4cfdcc39172ac047fe1770cea9c715353e)
I wonder if they're going to make some symbols for the groups that these NOCs will be under. As far as badges like yours go, we've got those already in the form of warfare badges and things like wings and probably other stuff I can't think of. I don't know if they changed things, but you used to be able to have a max of two of them on your shirt. So guys that had Aviation and Surface Warfare badges would do something like get a belt buckle with their aircrew wings on it.
Man, I got a call from an....well I guess not an HM1 anymore (doh!)...friend of mine a couple hours ago. Not happy. He's been really trying to get that "HMC" for a while now.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2016, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 30, 2016, 09:25:04 PM
I'm sure they'd still have some kind of rating-ish indicator? After all, we have our own specialty badges that we wear.
(here is mine...I am a master locksmith)
I wonder if they're going to make some symbols for the groups that these NOCs will be under. As far as badges like yours go, we've got those already in the form of warfare badges and things like wings and probably other stuff I can't think of. I don't know if they changed things, but you used to be able to have a max of two of them on your shirt. So guys that had Aviation and Surface Warfare badges would do something like get a belt buckle with their aircrew wings on it.
I'm assuming Chiefs will be "CPO" instead of, like lusty, something like HTC (Hull Tech Chief). Man, I got a call from an....well I guess not an HM1 anymore (doh!)...friend of mine a couple hours ago. Not happy. He's been really trying to get that "HMC" for a while now.
I'd think your Aviation/Surface Warefare badges are more like the Army's CIB and the like (or our flyer wings, Missile badge, etc). That badge above is just what we wear to show what our job/specialty is...like I'd think your rating badges are(were)...nothing too special. I don't see why that would have to change for you guys (unless they said it would)...just the system behind them and the terms of address.
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 30, 2016, 09:43:06 PM
I'd think your Aviation/Surface Warefare badges are more like the Army's CIB and the like (or our flyer wings, Missile badge, etc). That badge above is just what we wear to show what our job/specialty is...like I'd think your rating badges are(were)...nothing too special.
The rating symbols were on our sleeves:
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That's an AW3. The rating symbol is the...thing....between the crow and the chevron.
The warfare badges go like this:
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This guy here has SW (ESWS) on top, AW (EAWS) on the bottom. There might be some special shit you could put above where the SW is there, but I wasn't high speed enough for that kind of thing, so I don't know. :P Things like aircrew wings would go where those are.
Yeah, our occupational badge seems to be just our version of your rating badge (and our camo uniform, it's a sewn on thing too, not a shiny thing), we just wear it on our chest and not on the arm.
I imagine you guys will be keeping at least some kind of generic occupational badge under the crow, if not one for all of the old specific rates.
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 30, 2016, 09:52:38 PM
Yeah, our occupational badge seems to be just our version of your rating badge (and our camo uniform, it's a sewn on thing too, not a shiny thing), we just wear it on our chest and not on the arm.
I imagine you guys will be keeping at least some kind of generic occupational badge under the crow, if not one for all of the old specific rates.
Yeah there will probably be something. When we were on the boat, we'd just have some small sewn on crow+chevron thing on the collars of our coveralls, so nbd there really. I think they do the same with those weird looking blue cammies that they replaced the utilities with, and then the new khakis (for non chiefs) I think use a pin of the same thing on the collar.
I never "experienced" the blue camo or khaki uniforms. Still had "working whites," some winter blues I never wore, and utilities (the things that replaced dungarees).